Compelling retort.

Do you have any particular reason to say that, other than you just don't like it?

--Jaylemurph

I have long given up on atlantis.
But CS is hanging by all her claws and teeth and even velcro on to Atlantis. Why?

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Rampart/3330/bardgld.html

Before the advent of the printing press, books were costly and scribes costlier still.

The bard maintained the oral tradition of a people. For instance, the miller couldn't rely on the Daily News to learn what was happening in the land. Every stranger found himself eagerly questioned about news from afar. But their information was scant at best. But a bard, now. Well, a bard's business was knowing the business so to speak. A bard knew what's happening at court, which nobel was allied with what house, that the crops failed in the west and the drought had finally ended in the east. Moreover, the bard can regale his fellows with stories of past glory, songs of derring-do and mystery. Thus is a people's history, culture and values maintained.

More than this, though, the bard was a magical individual, though of application rather than ritual. His song was his work of magic and could be loving and compassionate or cold and harsh as the case warranted. His was the wielding of words and submission to their power. In Druidic culture, bards kept the people's tradition. They were the custodians of the sacredness of the Word and represented the first level of training of the Druid. Even though considered the "first" level, still they were held in high esteem.

Bardic training lasted for a long time, from 12 to 20 years in some cultures, usually under the tutelage of a more accomplished bard. Emphasis was on memorization, learning by rote, strengthening the memory and learning the huge repertoire of poems and tales that constituted the knowledge of the bard. Another of their responsibilities was to record the lore, law and genealogy of the tribe. They were also expected to compose original works.

This was no mean feat, considering that the ancient Celts believed that knowledge and inspiration were "lost" once written down. The ancient bards had no textbooks; all was by memory. Theirs was an art inspired by the gods, and they stood as vessels to receive and relate that creativity. Though not priests in the strict sense of the word, they nonetheless were honored with the respect due those who speak for the gods. Priests may hold a people's spirit and warriors their strength, but the bard it is who wields their soul.

A bard held a position of trust. Without the bard, the culture failed. Conquerors knew this. Throughout the history of Wales, Scotland and Ireland numerous attempts to suppress Celtic culture can be documented. But it wasn't just plaids or bagpipes or shamrocks. The very music that sustained the people was banned. At one point in Wales it was illegal to own a harp, much less play one.

Because deep down... I 'know' there were other very advanced magnificent civilizations that are now only vague memories to man ... there are clues every where..the civilization may not have been called Atlantis..it may just have been the translation of perhaps the capital city.. a kingdom...in a world full of equally advanced nations... trade... mining.. influences would have assured the spread of this civilization to other nations... hence the discovery of remnants of other ancient cities...

Actually it's not called "Atlantis." Plato called it "Atlas."

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Let me begin by observing first of all, that nine thousand was the sum of years which had elapsed since the war which was said to have taken place between those who dwelt outside the Pillars of Heracles and all who dwelt within them; this war I am going to describe. Of the combatants on the one side, the city of Athens was reported to have been the leader and to have fought out the war; the combatants on the other side were commanded by the kings of Atlantis, which, as was saying, was an island greater in extent than Libya and Asia, and when afterwards sunk by an earthquake, became an impassable barrier of mud to voyagers sailing from hence to any part of the ocean.

Hey. I just wanted to share that. I didn't make the posts. That's all.

I wasn't saying that you were wrong or anything. Or I was wrong. >>"

I realize that you weren't commenting on me.

I also figured you were only linking to someone's post somewhere else, but I didn't wait for the site you linked to load.

The word "Atlantis" is a derivative of the name Atlas, which was the name of the first king of Atlantis (according to Plato.)

Note that the king Atlas was not the same personage as the Titan Atlas who (it was thought) was responsible for holding up the sky from the top of one of the peaks in the Atlas Mountain range in North Africa.

That range is named after the Titan Atlas because of that particular myth.

Harte

Okay.

It wasn't until later in England. That people started to call it "Atlantis."

That sounds good.

It seems likely that Solon\'s Egyptian sojourn acquainted him with tales of an ancient land named Keftiu, an island nation named for holding one of the four pillars that supported the Egyptian sky. According to the Egypt legend, Keftiu was an advanced civilization, and was the gateway to and ruler of all of the lands to the far west of Egypt (Greece, Libya, and beyond). Keftiu traded in ivory, copper, and cloth. Keftiu supported hosts of ships and controlled commerce far beyond the Egyptians domain.

By Egyptian record, Keftiu was destroyed by the seas in an apocalypse. It seems likely Solon carried legends of Keftiu to Greece, where he passed it to his son and grandson.

Plato recorded and embellished the story from Solon\'s grandson Critias the Younger. As in many ancient writings, history and myth were indistinguishably intermixed. Plato probably translated \"the land of the pillars which held the sky\" (Keftiu) into the land of the titan Atlas (who held the sky). Comparison of ancient Egyptian records of Keftiu identifies a number of similarities to Plato\'s Atlantis. It seems likely that Plato\'s Atlantis was a retelling (and renaming) of Egypt\'s Keftiu.

When Plato identified the location of the land he named Atlantis, he placed it to the west-in the Atlantic Ocean. In reality, Egyptian legend placed Keftiu west of Egypt, not necessarily west of the Mediterranean. In describing Atlantis as an island (or continent) in the Atlantic Ocean, we suspect Plato was merely wrong in his interpretation of the Egyptian legend he was retelling.

Yet Plato preserved enough detail about the land of Atlantis that its identification now seems very likely, and rather less mysterious than many new-age advocates would like. It is likely that Atlantis was the land of the Minoan culture, namely ancient Crete and Thera. If this hypothesis is correct, Plato never realized that the land of Atlantis was already familiar to him. Let\'s have a look at the evidence which suggests that Minoan Crete and surrounding islands bear a striking resemblance to what Plato described as Atlantis.

Archaeological records show that the Minoan culture spread its dominion throughout the nearby islands of the Aegean, very roughly from 3000 years BC to about 1400 years BC. Crete, now part of Greece, was the capital for the Minoan people — an advanced civilization with language, commercial shipping, complex architecture, ritual and games. It seems very likely that related islands (e.g. Santorini/Thera) may have been part of the same culture. The Minoans were peaceful: very little evidence of military activity was found in their ruins. A 4-storied palace at Knossos, Crete, was said to be the capitol of the Minoan culture. Correspondence of Minoan cultural artifacts with aspects of the Atlantis legend make the identity of the two seem virtually certain. Perhaps the most unusual of these is the Minoan bull fighting. By Egyptian legend, the inhabitants of Keftiu would engage in ritualistic bull fighting, with unarmed Minoan bullfighters wrestling and jumping over uninjured bulls. This same foolhardy practice is richly illustrated in remaining Minoan artwork. Plato\'s (Egyptian) legend also holds that Atlantis was peaceful — this is confirmed by a virtually complete absence of weapons in Minoan ruins and in Minoan artwork — unusual for peoples of that time. Egyptian legend held that elephants were found on Keftiu — while there were presumably no elephants on Crete, the Minoans were known to deal in African ivory, and appear to have been the principal access to ivory for Egypt 20 centuries before Christ.

Actually it's not called "Atlantis." Plato called it "Atlas."

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Thank you for using those quote marks, CS! You have no idea how happy that makes me!

--Jaylemurph

......Why??.....

No Atlas was the first son of Posiedon and as such the first King of Atlantis, Neither Timaeus nor Critiaues say but it sort of implies that he was immortal or longlived as it doesn't speak of any successors as I recall.

Though admittedly its been a while since I read either and I am preparred for Aquatus or Harte to correct me.

My ancient Greek is rather rusty so how Plato actually described Atlantis is a little lost to me as I must rely on the integrity of interpreters

and here's why I think Plato was writing in an historical sense:

"I have described the city and the environs of the ancient palace nearly in the words of Solon, and now I must endeavour to represent the nature and arrangement of the rest of the land"

Plato writes this above, why would anyone say that unless they were writing something someone had said. Do you think he just made up that Solon had told Critias this??

What explanation does anyone have for this part? That Plato just threw in that Solon had told him all this for something to do???

......Why??.....

WAAS,

That's Critias, one of Plato's characters talking, not Plato telling us something.

More on this another time though, or you can find a lot more in my posts here if you care to search for Atlantis and my username in the "advanced search" area.



Harte

I know it was Critias, you may have misread my post. I say "do you think that Plato just made up Solon told Critias this?" I know Critias is talking and Plato has written it.

I am not doing a search, that is my question, you expect me to search for ever to find your answer to my simple question? Here it is again:

Why would Critias say Solon told him all this in the way he does in the text if it is only a story that Plato has made up as an allegory?

...and here's why I also don't think it's an allegory:

Critias:Let me proceed to explain to you, Socrates, the order in which
we have arranged our entertainment. Our intention is, that Timaeus,
who is the most of an astronomer amongst us, and has made the nature
of the universe his special study, should speak first, beginning
with the generation of the world and going down to the creation of
man; next, I am to receive the men whom he has created of whom some
will have profited by the excellent education which you have given
them; and then, in accordance with the tale of Solon, and equally with
his law, we will bring them into court and make them citizens, as if
they were those very Athenians whom the sacred Egyptian record has
recovered from oblivion, and thenceforward we will speak of them as
Athenians and fellow-citizens.

Doesn't the above paragraph tell you they are using a true historical account and changing it into an allegory?

And now, Socrates, to make an end my preface, I am ready to tell you the whole tale. I will give you not only the general heads, but the particulars, as they were told to me. The city and citizens, which you yesterday described to us in fiction, we will now transfer to the world of reality. It shall be the ancient city of Athens, and we will suppose that the citizens whom you imagined, were our veritable ancestors, of whom the priest spoke; they will perfectly harmonise, and there will be no inconsistency in saying that the citizens of your republic are these ancient Athenians. Let us divide the subject among us, and all endeavour according to our ability gracefully to execute the task which you have imposed upon us. Consider then, Socrates, if this narrative is suited to the purpose, or whether we should seek for some other instead.

Plato's dialogues expound his philosophy and have some peculiar features. One of these features is the use of extraordinary tales asserted as truth in order to vividly express his ideas. Towards the end of the Gorgias, for example, Socrates retells a story of the Isles of the Blessed and Tartarus (Greek versions of Heaven and Hell), and prefaces it thus: "Listen, then, as story-tellers say, to a very pretty tale, which I dare say that you may be disposed to regard as a fable only, but which, as I believe, is a true tale, for I mean to speak the truth" (Benjamin Jowett translation).

At the end of the Republic, Socrates tells the story of Er, who, severely wounded in battle, has a near-death experience. He comes to, finding himself on a funeral pyre (fortunately unlit). "And thus, Glaucon, the tale has been saved and has not perished, and will save us if we are obedient to the word spoken; and we shall pass safely over the river of Forgetfulness and our soul will not be defiled" (Jowett). Plato uses the device of the "true" amazing tale in other dialogues, including the Meno and Laws. The Timaeus, as mentioned above, is the sequel to the Republic-Plato's major dialogue on the nature of the ideal society and its governance. In laying out the practices of forming the ideal state and citizenry, Plato discusses the tools to be employed in education of the youth. One tool is the use of totally fabricated stories, presented to the youth as true history.

[Republic 376] In this education, you would include stories, would you not?… These are of two kinds, true stories and fiction. Our education must use both and start with fiction. . . . And the first step, as you know, is always what matters most, particularly when we are dealing with those who are young and tender. That is the time when they are easily moulded and when any impression we choose to make leaves a permanent mark (Desmond Lee translation).

Later, Plato writes, prefacing the "Myth of Blood and Soil,"

[Republic: 414 b-c] "Now I wonder if we could contrive one of those convenient stories we were talking about a few minutes ago," I asked. "Some magnificent myth that would in itself carry conviction to our whole community, including, if possible the Guardians themselves. . . . Nothing new-a fairy story like those the poets tell and have persuaded people to believe about the sort of thing that often happened 'once upon a time,' but never does now and is not likely to: indeed it would need a lot of persuasion to get people to believe it" (Desmond Lee translation).

There is an established chronology to Plato's dialogues, based on stylistic and other evidence. The philosopher's last dialogues were the Republic, the Timaeus, and the Critias, the latter two named for the characters who contribute the most significant part of the dialogue. It is worth noting here that while I call the participants in these dialogues characters, they in fact portray real contemporaries of Plato and Socrates. In the Timaeus, Plato records a dialogue between Socrates, Critias, Hermocrates and Timaeus. The latter three are obligated to repay Socrates for his masterly discussion of the ideal society in the Republic by giving accounts of their own. The character Timaeus describes the creation of the world, but only after Critias retells a story of Atlantis he claims to have heard when he was ten years old. His grandfather-the elder Critias-relates this story to the younger Critias and others at a poetry recital competition on Koreotis-"Children's Day"-during the Athenian festival of Apatouria. On the last day of Apatouria, babies, young men, and newly married wives were enrolled into their phratriai-"brotherhoods" of related families. I will come back to the significance of this festive occasion for the Atlantis legend later.

SNIP

The context of the festival during which Critias hears the story from his grandfather is telling, as I mentioned above. The feast of Apatouria involves the induction of infants, youth and wives into the phratry, or clan of families. This is where the society inducts its next generation into the fold-exactly the context where the purpose for education through fictions presented as fact is laid out in the Republic. Also notable is the fact that this is a contest in epic poetry recital. Epic poetry was the classic medium in Greek society for tales of heroic men of yore.

There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that Atlantis represented any real place at any time. Where the story contains descriptions or events that resemble historic happenings, it only does so to the degree that any piece of fiction relies on experiences of reality. All of the evidence points to the story being one of Plato's noble lies: useful fictions used to make a point, not to refer to the past.

Because there's a huge problem at UM, it seems to me, with people not understanding the difference between knowing a fact and believing a concept (not that I think you do this yourself). You cannot know there was a past super-advanced technology the same way you know there's a keyboard in front of you or that the sky is blue. You can believe all you want even (I have to say this) in despite of every fact available. Putting quotation marks around the 'know' in that post means you know that's not the accepted use, and that you understand the difference between the two verbs. At least that's how I took it.

--Jaylemurph

OK... There is another kind of 'Knowing' that I learned during my 2 years I spent at the Noetic Cafe Forum. http://www.noetic.org/about.cfm ..where much of the discussions waved around the concepts of intuition.. 'inner' 'outer' dimensional etheric connections to 'All That Is' ...'Was'... or 'Could Be' ..
So using their term of reference as I came to understand it is that 'Know' does not exactly mean.. that you consciously believe it.. understand it.. but somehow when you look within... intuitively ...even.. cast your senses around you...and absorb all your impressions...like psychometry... a haunting..the 'knowing' is the impression received..

One can put this 'Knowing'..on a similar standing as 'Faith' ...we don't know how.. or why... it just is...

It seems so real...that you can picture yourself there.. have a bond with some of the people from that time.... smell it... you could swear that you visited it in your dreams.. OBE'd there..

It's not quite belief... it's almost feels like a long forgotten memory... that you can not quite intitially rationalize... ...yet.. the more you look around you.. explore.. the more it seems logical

See that Jaylemurph?

Never shoulda opened your mouth. Bound for a letdown.

Right?
Harte

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/1272010.stm
Remains found at Mehrgarh, Baluchistan, part of what is now Pakistan, show dental decay may have been treated 8,000-9,000 years ago.

It is some of the earliest evidence of dentistry.

Archaeologists discovered perfect tiny holes in two molar teeth from the remains of different men.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,190717,00.html

Scientists found 11 teeth from the skeletons of four females, two males and three individuals of unknown gender in an ancient cemetery in Pakistan's Baluchistan province that show signs of having undergone painful dental procedures.

Life after pain

All the teeth had worn a bit after the holes were made, confirming that the drillings were performed while the people were still alive.

It's unlikely the holes were drilled for decorative purposes since all of the teeth were first or second permanent molars located deep inside the mouth, said study leader Roberto Macchiarelli from the University of Poitiers in France.

See that Jaylemurph?

Never shoulda opened your mouth. Bound for a letdown.

Right?

Harte

Here's some more.

Read the following for some context on Plato's Atlantean tale:


Here's a little more concerning the setting under which Critias claimed his Grandfather heard the tale from Solon:


Yeah, I know, it's a humongous quote.

But that guy says it all.

Source

Harte

...why couldn't the story be based in truth?

Troy was found in exactly where Homer said it would be.

See that Jaylemurph?

Never shoulda opened your mouth. Bound for a letdown.

Right?

Harte

You can show me any part of the dialogues and I will give you my interpretation of it and I understand it in places where it alludes to us that Atlantis is a myth but is a telling of a real story in an example of allegory.

I have been getting a grip on the actual history of how mythology intwines with ancient poetry and particularly how ancient poets (mythmakers), particularly in Greece gave the Gods very human, even sinful traits that Greeks of the time were even shocked with, such as rape, incest and the like. These Gods and their offspring were a type of allegory. All your source can say is no factual evidence from 10,000 years ago points to Atlantis, it is only Critias who mentions 9000 years, that amount of years could clearly have been lost in translation from the time it was originally told to Solon, ever played Chinese Whispers?

Troy was found in exactly where Homer said it would be. The Illiad and Odyssey were regarded as tales, but one layman who had a deep hunch they were not is responsible for finding Troy's ruins.

I don't think Atlantis was as 'golden' as Critias made out but you have to consider he was recounting an old story and if you do some research into myths and stories and poets of the time and how poets actually recounted a story and see how it was philosophers who saved the myths, instead of just concentrating on picking the Plato dialogue apart itself, you can see far beyond what those same old websites drivel on about.

On the other hand, there are extensive myths about Troy. You can't spit in Athens without hitting some ancient depiction of the Trojan war, people, or a drama written concerning either one or both.

I don't know why no one has posted any pictures about this theories so I looked for some links and this is the best that I encountered so far. I think this somehow proves that there were ancient civilizations all over the world that have gone underwater.

http://s8int.com

Check it out. It has many interesting topics.

Nowhere does it "allude" to this. Maybe you should reread.

All well and good except there exists no myth about anything resembling Atlantis.

On the other hand, there are extensive myths about Troy. You can't spit in Athens without hitting some ancient depiction of the Trojan war, people, or a drama written concerning either one or both.

Do you see the difference there? You are postulating the existence of a myth for which there is absolutely no evidence. No evidence that even the myth itself ever existed!

What Solon heard, if he heard anything at like like this, was likely the story of Keftiu. The Greeks had no knowledge that Keftiu was actually Crete.

None that we know and recognise in this day and age but over 2000 years ago it may have been a common myth, if you think we know of every myth ever told and created we don't. Over time many have disappeared and you would never even know they existed at all.

There is however an ancient book called The Oera Linda Book. It comes from Holland (or Frysia) is said to be one of the oldest books ever found. It mentions the destruction of the large Atlantic island by earthquakes and tidal waves.

Within the first few years after the appearance of the Oera Linda Book, there was great scepticism concerning its authenticity, not only for the exceptional claims being made, but also because of a number of anachronisms it contained. Research was performed on the quality of the paper, and it was claimed to have come from a papermill in Maastricht circa 1850. This skepticism has not prevented the book from being a source of inspiration for a number of occultists, speculative historians, and political parties during the century or more since its emergence.

The authenticity of the book is supported by at least some Neo-Nazi groups, possibly because it indicates a Northern European origin for several Middle Eastern civilisations — this despite the fact that the book itself heavily criticises the ancestors of the Germans as uncouth barbarians. The book has also received interest from feminist and New Age groups and is commonly quoted in books about Atlantis.

Modern research has evidenced a concern with identifying the unknown author of the manuscript, with the most likely candidates being Cornelis Over de Linden or Eelco Verwijs. A popular third choice is the Protestant preacher François Haverschmidt (1835-1894), well known for writing poetry under the pseudonym Piet Paaltjens. Haverschmidt lived in Friesland and was an acquaintance of Verwijs. Certainly, only a handful of scholars in the Netherlands were well versed enough in ancient Frisian and had extensive enough knowledge of Classicism to create such a book. However, it has never been conclusively proven that any of these persons created Thet Oera Linda Bok.

[edit] Latest developments

In 2004 the historian Goffe Jensma published a book about the case: De gemaskerde god. François Haverschmidt en het Oera Linda-boek. In his book, Jensma argued that Haverschmidt was the main writer of the book, with the help of Over de Linden and Verwijs. According to Jensma, Haverschmidt intended the Oera Linda Book as a parody of the Christian Bible.

On the other hand, there are extensive myths about Troy. You can't spit in Athens without hitting some ancient depiction of the Trojan war, people, or a drama written concerning either one or both.

I think Jaylemurph took care of that one.

True, except Atlantis comes to us from Plato. We are very well acquainted with Greek mythology that goes back to a time even before Athens was founded.

If the story really comes from Egypt, we are very well acquainted with their mythology as well. In fact, Keftiu is the only story that they told that in any way at all resembles Atlantis. And Keftiu was not a myth.

If this was a common myth over 2,000 years ago anywhere around the Mediterranean, we would know about it today.



From Wiki:





Do you know the dates of the Trojan Wars?

Jaylemurph only corrected my usage of drama instead of tragedy, nothing about the fact that the myths involving the Trojan Wars predate Homer (if he existed) and waaay predate Plato.


Harte

You know, I think if you weren't here, my brain would die of boredom.........like seriously.
Your challenges are challenges.
Okies, it's my bedtime now but I'll be back.

Most of dull historians date the Trojan War back to somewhere in the 12th or 13th Century BCE, but some people argue it was as far back as the 17th/18th Century BCE. Two letters written by Hittite kings and preserved on tablets -- the Tawagalawa letter and the Milawata letter -- are lynch pins for the more recent date of the historical event.

--Jaylemurph

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“In the last battle . . . crystals were implanted in the etheric bodies of people by the Orion Atlanteans. . .The crystals are implanted with a variety of interesting programs . . . The Men from Orion knew that Earth would undergo another struggle at this point between the positive and negative forces. Therefore, many of the key crystals were programmed to help their cause. The end phase of the plan is to bring in walk-ins from Orion in order to use the crystals to maximum advantage.”
The Men from Orion are an unusual lifeform, not really humanoid at all. They resemble more of a machine in their anatomical structure, and their appearance as we think of Atlanteans being the red race, is more a copperish-red color. This is the archetype of Mars –the red planet. Clow says in one of her works that the Atlanteans are “the metal people who came from the stars.” The machine-like men in the movie The Matrix are archetypal Orions.
In the Epic of Gilgamesh, one of the earliest pieces of literature from Sumeria, the hero Gilgamesh is given a ‘mechanical-type’ friend named Enkidu by the gods, similar to what we might think of as a robot. This being, however, is a biological entity—not a machine. This would be more like one of the Men from Orion. The Terminator series of movies starring Arnold Swarzenegger are a remembrance of the Mars/Maldek war, and of the Men from Orion.
These beings were greatly into experimenting on the nature of matter, using the knowledge they had acquired from the Alteans, the race who were specialists in the ‘nature of matter.’ Their main pursuit was for more powerful and deadly forms of weaponry. Do you see a parallel here? It was because of this experimentation and the weaponry they were able to build that the war between Maldek and Mars was so effective in destroying one planet and rendering the other planet lifeless.

These crystals were housed in an oval temple, the roof of which rolled back to admit light from the sun and stars which activated the ‘white fire stones.’ During Roman times the Druid priests told Julius Caesar that the Gauls believed their ancestors came to Europe unremembered millennia before from the ‘Isle of Glass Towers,’ long drowned in the Atlantic, ‘far-off Iberian shores.’ These ‘glass towers’ would be the central crystal temples.
The early 2nd century Ad Lucian of Samosota, in his history Vara, described a large highly civilized island-city that sank into the Atlantic “ages before our own.” But before it disappeared forever beneath the waves, one of its outstanding features was a ‘crystal building.’
The old Irish Voyage of Maildune contains a description of Atlantis which, detail for detail, is very close to Plato’s account, but it contains this additional piece of information: the inner wall of the great island palace Maildune visited was profusely decorated with crystal. This inner wall, according to Plato, surrounded the Temple of Poseidon, the Atlantean Holy-of-Holies, which again is reminiscent of Cayce’s life ‘readings.’
One of the most outstanding features of the crystal technology that the Atlanteans possessed was what Kryon calls the Temple of Rejuvenation. Not only were the crystals used for control, but also for practical purposes as well, in this case for healing.
The Temple of Rejuvenation was the building where humans were repolarized! Most of the walls were made up of a composition of material which could not be magnetized. Some of this composition was a mixture of crushed crystals. The process involved the repolarization of the body using an idea common around the world of the sacredness of the four directions in combination with the power and potency of doing things in threes.
Within the sphere of the room where this took place, there was the idea of rotation within rotation, for it was the motion which was the catalyst for the magnetics which did the actual polarization. Contained in the spire below the room were mechanics that match the ones contained in the spire above, and worked together to facilitate the workings of the balancing engine.
Kryon comments that nowhere in our “modern” medical facilities do we find anyone who is measuring the polarity of our organs and our magnetic balance, let alone adjusting it (although this is rapidly beginning to change). This technology which was so commonly known in Atlantis, he says, is essential to our well being and overall health, and only recently have people become aware of the danger as well as the benefits of electro-magnetic fields influencing their bodies.
“How can your scientists miss this when they can measure the electricity of your muscles, and your brain? . . . and when they can map the wiring of your body and see the results of synapse in your biological thinking? All this is magnetics! . . . The polarity of your human body is a “handshake” to the polarity of the Earth. . . . Each organ has its own polarity, which is interactive with the organ next to it. . . there are two kinds of polarity: there is absolute, and relative. The absolute polarity is like a dipole, that is to say that the positive and negative alignment remains the same regardless of the physical inclination of the human. The relative polarity is that kind of polarity which changes with the inclination of the human. Two of the main organs have relative polarity: The human skin, and the brain. All polarized organs will respond to the polarity of the planet, and the relative ones will also respond to the physical inclination of the human . . . It (polarity) is measured through the fingertips.”

I was reading this article http://lunis1.free.fr/spip.php?article24 in relation to the seafaring topic but found this part related to this topic as well:
Now, the 'Land of the West'would be a natural Egyptian name for Atlantis. The Atlantic Ocean was known as the 'Western Ocean'. Did Manetho translate "foreign land" from this glyph? If so, we probably have ourselves a reference to Atlantis in the writings of Manetho. There were no mountains in Egypt, yet this glyph represented a mountainous land to the west of Egypt.

You would need to read the whole article to put it completely in context.

The article was in relation to Guanches and pre Dynastic Egypt and I have also included the link in the Seafaring topic, it was not actually a pro-Atlantis article but I found the mention of Atlantis throughout it intriguing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manetho - for more info on Manetho

http://www.expedition-atlantis.com/Myth-of-Atlantis.html
But the real meaning, as you can find it in Hieronymus Mueller's translation is

"(Atlantis was) ...an island, that was more mighty than Asia and Libya together..."

The greek word that is written at this position in Plato's genuine texts is "meizon". And this word has the meaning of "more important" and "more mighty"!!! Already at this point of analysis all the encyclopedias that list Atlantis as a continent should be corrected!

Additionally must be remarked that Atlantis does not have to be situated in the atlantic-ocean, because these waters got their name (as well as the atlas-mountains) a long time later- and this because of the interpretation of the narration of Plato. The first mentioning of the atlantic- ocean is made by Herodot of Halikarnassos (484-425 B.C.) He had the imagination that the whole world was surrounded by an unknown ocean that he called "Atlantic" (greek: Atlantìs thálassa =Ocean of Atlas). But at the same time he describes "atlantic-people" who live in the south-east of the Atlas-Mountains that are situated at the mediterranian coast in Libya (!)

The reason for the estimation Plato's Atlantic-Ocean is the one of today is a textpassage where you can read that Atlantis should have been situated "beyond" the Pillars of Heracles. This is undoubtely a later designation for Gibraltar (Spain), but in the origin it is just an expression for any sea-strait. For example for the ancient haven of Cyprus, too. Another point is that Plato has written in his texts "pro stoma", what not only means beyond, but also means "in front of" the Pillars of Heracles. So the conclusion that Atlantis was in the atlantic-ocean of our modern times is not necessarily right.

In the Atlantis-text there is the speach of a landscape named "Gadeiros", that is for many people equal to the greek expression "Gadeiros". This is todays spanish city of "Cadiz", next to the Pillars of Heracles. But those who keep it for the same forget, that Plato explicetely says that "Gadeiros" an expression out of
he unknown atlantic language is. And that is why it can never be greek!!!
Anyway "Gadeiros" was a landscape in the size of a whole kingdom and everything else, but an ancient city. So this is another resultless trace that confused the science until now.

If we analyse the words Plato uses in his texts it is conspicious that he uses the expression "sea" for everything that is liquid. If saltwater, drinkwater, rivers or rain - he does not care. This is the reason why the sentence "... Atlantis sank in the sea ..." gets a totally different meaning. Atlantis does not have to have sunk in a salty ocean, Atlantis can be destroyed by nothing but rain and inondations!

Especially when we read the sentence with its context we get another astonishing result. The whole sentence is
"But afterwards occurred violent earthquakes and floods and in a single day and night of misfortune all your warlike men were swallowed by the earth (the first greeks), and the island of Atlantis in like manner disappeared in the depths of the sea ..."

What does that mean?
If the the ancient Greece was only destoyed by earthquakes and flood, and their landmass did not lower (like it is said in the texts), and Atlantis was destroyed in like manner, the Atlantis-island did not sink, either! But in the next sentence follows the most interesting confirmation of this thesis;

... For which reason the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable, because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the soil."(equivalent to H. Mueller 1856)

After the catastrophe the island Atlantis can not have been lower, than the sea which is now burried by its soil. But the text also sais Atlantis was just no more accessible- that means logically not sunk!

After the catastrophe the island Atlantis can not have been lower, than the sea which is now burried by its soil. But the text also sais Atlantis was just no more accessible- that means logically not sunk!

.....Atlantis still existed after the catastrophe !!!

I was wondering about the theory that Atlantis is now what we call Antartica. I'd like to ask if the geography of Antartica would in anyway fit with Atlantis?

Nowhere does it "allude" to this. Maybe you should reread.



All well and good except there exists no myth about anything resembling Atlantis.


On the other hand, there are extensive myths about Troy. You can't spit in Athens without hitting some ancient depiction of the Trojan war, people, or a drama written concerning either one or both.

Do you see the difference there? You are postulating the existence of a myth for which there is absolutely no evidence. No evidence that even the myth itself ever existed!


There's no myth to "research" here.

What Solon heard, if he heard anything at like like this, was likely the story of Keftiu. The Greeks had no knowledge that Keftiu was actually Crete.

Harte

http://hep.physics.uoc.gr/HistCrete.htm


From the middle of the Quartenary era, when new fissures and fractures of the land mass occurred, Crete took its present shape more or less. There have been no significant changes to its shape, since Middle Pleistocene times. This does not mean however that geologic activity has ceased. For some thousands of years, Crete has been slowly turning from west to east, with the huge mass of Mt. Idhi (Psiloritis) as the axis of rotation, so that the Island's western section is being thrust toward a northeastern, and its eastern toward a southwestern, direction. This rotation, moreover, is accompanied by a light elevation of western Crete and a depression of eastern Crete. The view expressed by Spratt in 1865 that in historic times Crete underwent elevation in the west and depression in the east is not considered correct in this general form. Detailed observations made in recent years have indicated that depressions are occurring on the coasts of eastern and central Crete (Spinalonga, Cavo Sidhero, Myrtos, Matala, Heracleion), and elevations of the coasts of western Crete (Phalasarna, Ghrambousa, Souda, Sougyia, Moni Preveli etc.). Yet, when generalized, this phenomenon is misleading, because depressions have been observed where elevations are occurring, and vice versa. What is more likely the case is that separate large areas of the island are undergoing elevations, depressions and rotation within a range of more general movements the results of which are observed in areas of these coasts. As for the rotation of the Island as a whole, it is being effected at so slow a rate, that for the past 5000 years it has not completed one full degreet!

Situated at an equal distance from three of the world's five continents, and facing the north, Crete was looked upon by the ancients as the center of the world. . This position of Crete has had and continues to have, an influence on its climate, fauna and flora, but also on the character and psychology of it inhabitants, and in general, on the cultural aspects regarding them. The island's very position and physical wealth, have rendered it of old a field of invasions, and bloody clashes among a long series of rival conquero


Many theories have been advanced concerning the inhabitants of Crete. It has been suggested that the Cretans were not Greeks. Others considered them to have been Egyptians, and others Semites. None of these, and similar theories, has commanded much attention,[b] and the grounds upon which they had been rested have proved flimsy and unscientific. Ares Poulianos, after an intensive anthropological investigation, concluded that the Cretans during the past 6000 years, at least, if not more, have anthropologically been the very same people until present times. Whether they changed language or languages, customs and dress, kings and systems, and whether they were influenced from various cultures and civilizations or whether colonists of different race reached them during their long history, nonetheless their primal racial nucleus has not been altered by anything of that sort, and in their greater majority, Cretans have remained the same racial type or types from prehistoric days.

[b]Cretan ships went to Cyprus for copper, to the Cyclades for gold and silver, and to Melos for obsidian stones. Crete's harbors were very active. Zakro and Palaikastro, on the eastern coast, and the islands Mochlos and Pseira, more to the north, became centers for commercial relations with Asia Minor. Such a role for Crete explains why its eastern coast was so full of activity and energy, at a time that Knossos was at a subneolithie stage, which knew no metals. Pottery with smoked colors made its first appearance at Vassiliki and Palaikastro, as its treasures bear witness, enjoyed great prosperity. The role of eastern Crete appears to have been significant for the birth of Minoan civilization.

http://www.angelfire.com/planet/mythguide/poseidon.html
Real Name: Poseidon Earth-shaker

Occupation: God of the sea, storm and earthquakes, Patron God of Atlantis

Legal Status: Citizen of Olympus with a provisional Atlantean citizenship

Identity: The general populace of Earth is unaware of Poseidon's existence except as a mythological character.

Other Aliases: Neptune (Roman name), Nethuns (Etruscan names)

Place of Birth: Mantineia, Arcadia

Marital Status: Married

Known Relatives: Cronus (father), Rhea (mother), Oceanus, Nereus, Proteus, Phorcys (uncles), Tethys, Ceto, Dione (aunts), Zeus, Hades, Chiron (brothers), Hera, Demeter, Hestia (sisters), Amphitrite (wife), Triton, Polyphemus, Atlas, Pallas, Arion (sons), Theseus, Antaeus, Orion, Nauplius (sons, deceased), Despoena, Charybdis, Rhode, Benthescyme (daughters), Hercules, Apollo, Ares, Hermes, Dionysus (nephews), Artemis, Athena, Aphrodite, Discord, Eileithyia, Hebe, Helen, Pandia, Persephone (nieces), Ariel, Aquata, Krista, Katrina, Kadela, Katana, Hydra, Pallas (deceased) (grand-daughters), Ouranus (grandfather), Gaea (grandmother),

Group Affiliations: The Gods of Olympus

Base of Operations: Aegae, formerly Mediterranean Atlantis and Olympus

http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/minos.html

The legendary king of Crete, son of Zeus and the Phoenician princess Europa. Minos and his two brothers, Rhadamanthys and Sarpedon, were raised in the royal palace of Cnossus. Minos married Pasiphae, daughter of the sun-god Helios. Some of their children were Phaedra, Ariadne, and Andregeos.

In mythology, a dispute over the sovereignty of Crete led Minos to ask Poseidon for help. He asked the god to send an offering as a sign of his true kingship. The god of the sea sent a gleaming pure white bull, which emerged miraculously from the waves. This confirmed to all concerned that Minos was their true king. However, as soon as King Minos saw this magnificent beast he refused to sacrifice it to Poseidon, and replaced it with another. Poseidon in retaliation sent Pasiphae into uncontrollable lust for this huge beast. So much so that she had the urge to mate with this huge animal. To do this she requested the help of Daedalus, a craftsman and inventor, who built a hollow wooden cow. Pasiphae hid inside, the amorous bull mounted the wooden cow and as a result Pasiphae conceived its child, or rather a creature which was half man and half bull, which became known as the Minotaur (Minotauros, "the bull of Minos").

This site has the story mentioned "http://www.nii.net/~obie/historygold.htm"

Below it says "Department of Interplanetary Affairs"

Bogus.