The only reason the topic of Altantis. Is because we haven't found any solid proof of Altantis. Like in the stories, it was destoryed. So finding a lost city like it will be hard to find. That's why people believe & disbelieve in the city.

My latest idea of today is that it hasn't disappeared... it still exist to some extent ... underground... leading off all those underground tunnels that are all over the world....

http://www.angelfire.com/ut/branton/redbook1.html

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowland...3/under010.html

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/tunnels.html

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DECLASSIFICATION OF THE NEW GROUND PENETRATING RADAR GIVES EVIDENCE TO OUR PAST

Since the declassification of the new ground-penetrating radar 2 years ago, the most staggering data has emerged of complex and labyrinthine underground systems in various parts of the world. At places like Guatemala in the South Americas, tunnels have been mapped under the Mayan pyramid complex at Tikal, which extend a full 800 kilometres to the opposite side of the country. Investigators remarked, it was possible to understand how half a million Mayan Indians escaped the decimation of their culture.

In similar fashion, the SIRA radar was deployed in Egypt as early as 1978, mapping an extraordinary subterranean complex beneath the Egyptian pyramids. Arrangements made with President Sadat of Egypt, resulted in three decades of top secret excavations to penetrate the system. At a recent meeting in Australia, one of the key scientists on the Giza project, Dr. Jim Hurtak, showed film footage of work in progress called, CHAMBERS OF THE DEEP, due to be released at the end of the century. As of yet, it has still never been released

The film reveals the discovery of a vast megalithic metropolis, 15,000 years old, reaching several levels below the Giza plateau. While the rest of the Nu-Age speculates about a hidden chamber under the left paw of the Sphinx, the legendary "City Of The Gods", lays sprawled beneath. Complete with hydraulic underground waterways, the film shows massive chambers, the proportions of our largest cathedrals, with enormous statues, the size of the Valley of the Nile, carved in-situ. Researchers, risking their lives with lights and cameras, carefully negotiated rubber dinghies across subterranean rivers and kilometer-wide lakes, to penetrate sealed chambers beyond. Already, remarkable caches of records and artifacts have been found.


THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED BASED ON TOP SECRET RESEARCH OF OVER 30 YEARS


Just after the Deluge, at the dawn of the present time cycle, an era the Egyptians called ZEP TEPI, "The First Times", a mysterious group of "gods" appeared, to initiate the survivors in the rudiments of civilisation. From Thoth and Osiris in Egypt, to Quetzacoatal and Viracocha in the Americas, traditions worldwide subscribe the origins of contemporary civilisation to this sophisticated group*.

Despite the misleading popularity of Von Danikan journalism, evidence from around the world, indicates these people were the hi-tech survivors of the previous civilisation of what we now refer to as Atlantis and MU. . Like the nuclear survival bunkers and secret research facilities of our own civilisation, there were those who arose from the underground "cities of the Gods", after the dust settled. These survivors are characterised in the Bible as the "prediluvian patriarchs", like Enoch and Methuselah, the "giants and heroes of old", mentioned in Genesis. These are the 'fabled gods' of ancient Summer, Egypt and India. All religious traditions can now be shown to originate from this one source. Muslim, Christianity, Native American , Traditions, Buddhism, New Age, etc. ....ALL!












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BRAZIL
One tunnel in Brazil is near Ponte Grosse in the state of Parana. (Fruit orchards were seen here.) Another entrance in Brazil is near Rincon, state of Parana. Also, in the state of Santa Catarina, Brazil, near the city of Joinville there is a mountain containing an entrance to the tunnels. (Santa Catarina is an area alive with subterranean activity, including strange 'singing' from underground.) Another entrance in Brazil is in the state of Sao Paulo near Concepiao. Still another entrance in Santa Catarina near Gaspar has subterranean fruit orchards. "The states of Santa Catarina and Parana, Brazil are honeycombed by a network of Atlantean tunnels that lead to subterranean cities."

CANADA

The Nahanni Valley (Canada) Entrance
This covers 250 square miles in the southern end of the Mackenzie Mountains of Canada. It lies almost 550 miles due west of Fort Simpson on the Mackenzie River of northwest Canada. Hot springs and sulfur geysers keep the valley warmer than the surrounding areas by about 30 degrees year -round (the valley is above 60 degrees latitude), making it perpetually mist-covered. This valley is inhabited only by animals as people entering the valley are usually found headless and quite dead. The Indian tribes of the area avoid this valley. (These tribes include the Ojibways, the Slave, the Dogribs, the Stoney, the Beavers and the Chipweyans.) This valley is often referred to as "the Valley of the Headless Men.

Canadian UFO Bases
Entrances at Lake Ontario possible underwater UFO bases/cities. Toronto Tunnels leading to subterranean city. Newfoundland Condemned Iron Mine connects with tunnels. Lake Ontario "Lights" Orange-colored spheres have been seen coming out of/diving into Lake Ontario. The area of highest activity is between Oakville and Toronto. There may be a connection to the Lakeview Hydro-electric plant, as many of these UFOs have been seen heading in that direction. (Note: "The Great Lakes Triangle" by Jay Gourley would be interesting reading for more information about UFOs, etc. in the Great Lakes area.)


Toronto Entrance
There is a small opening to the underground tunnels off Parliament Street in downtown Toronto. (The entrance is between two apartment buildings, and leads to the tunnels via the sewers.) The underground city (abandoned?) beneath Toronto has its center beneath Gerrard Street and Church Street. Above this area, strange magnetic effects have been observed. (Note: This corner of Gerrard & Church streets has a higher accident rate than anywhere else in Toronto. It is believed that underground equipment utilizing powerful magnetic fields (which have caused many strange magnetic effects in houses near this intersection) are responsible for the bizarre equipment failures that often are the cause of these accidents.) The Indians near Toronto have legends of these tunnels.

CHINA

Chinese Caves
Excerpt from Alien IDs

" If we turn to Chinese folklore, ... we find a time lapse of hundreds of years. There is a book entitled " The Report Concerning
the Cave Heavens and Lands of Happiness in Famous Mountains," by Tu Kuang-t'ing, who lived from 850 to 933 A.D. This book lists ten 'cave heavens 'and thirty-six 'small cave heavens' that were supposed to exist beneath the mountains in China. Here are the reported experiences of a man who entered a passageway leading to one of these cave heavens:

After walking ten miles, he suddenly found himself in a beautiful land ' with a clear blue sky, shining pinkish clouds, fragrant
flowers, densely growing willows, towers the color of cinnabar, pavilions of red jade, and far flung palaces.' He was met by a group of lovely, seductive women, who brought him to a house of jasper, and played him beautiful music while he drank ' a ruby-red drink and a jade-colored juice.' Just as he felt the urge to let himself be seduced, he remembered his family and returned to the passageway. Led by a strange light that danced before him, he walked back through the cave to the outer world; but when he reached his home village, he did not recognize anyone he saw, and when he arrived at his house, he met his own descendents of nine generations hence. They told him that one of their ancestors had disappeared into a cavern three hundred years before and had never been seen again.'

ENGLAND

The Staffordshire, England Entrance
Somewhere in Staffordshire, England a lonely field exists in which a laborer discovered a large iron plate beneath the dirt. The "hatch" was large and oval, with an iron ring mounted on it. This entrance led into the tunnels. The field is in a valley surrounded on almost all sides by woods. The laborer was digging a trench for some purpose. The incident was reported in "A History of Staffordshire" by Dr. Plot, who wrote the book in the late 1700s. It may be possible to find the entrance if it can be ascertained exactly which valley the laborer was digging in.

EGYPT
Dr. Earlyne Chaney, in an article titled 'Odyssey Into Egypt, in her occult-oriented magazine Voice of Astara (May, 1982) tells of a discovery she and researcher Bill Cox was shown in Egypt. These were two tunnels, neither of which had been fully explored. One was in the temple of Edfu between Luxor and Cairo in the ruins of El Tuna Gabel; and the other near Zozer's Step Pyramid at Cairo near Memphis-Saqqarah, within the tomb of the Bull, called "Serapium". The Egyptian government sealed both tunnels because of fears of certain archaeologists who alleged that they "lead too deeply down into the depths of the earth," and because they found the earth to be "honeycombed with passages leading off into other depths," and the possibility of explorers becoming lost.

If such labyrinths do exist, then it may explain one story which alleged that men dressed like "ancient Egyptians" have been seen deep in unexplored tunnels near Cairo, as well as possible confirmation of the story which appeared in Nevada Aerial Research's Leading Edge publication to the effect that the U.S.(?) Government secretly maintains a huge base within a cavern of tremendous size (several miles in diameter) beneath the desert sands of Egypt. Could this tie in with the vaque references to a subterranean society(s) referred to by certain people 'in the know' which is/are known as the 'Phoenix Empire' and/or the 'Gizeh People'?


The Liyobaa Cave Entrance
This was sealed off by Catholic Priests who believed it to be an entrance to "Hell." "The village of 'Liyobaa' or to translate, 'The Cavern of Death,' was located in the province of Zapoteca, somewhere near the ancient village of 'Mictlan' or the village of the 'Underworld.

"The Cavern of Death was actually located in the last chamber of an eight chamber building or temple. This temple had four rooms above the ground and four more important chambers built below the surface of the Earth. This building was located in "Theozapotlan," and the tunnel entrance led one beneath a mountain.

Carolina Islands and Malaysia
Paul Doerr , in issue number 6 of his Newsletter Unknown, related the tradition concerning a race of human giants which, according to stories in the Carolinas islands and especially Papua, allegedly went underground in ancient times. Once inhabitants of a lost island-continent called "Chamat," they will, according to legend, one day emerge. This legend is wide-spread throughout Malaysia, which incidentally contains the largest "officially recognized" cavern chamber, the "Sarowak Chamber" on the island of Borneo in the Malaysian islands. It is said to be 230 ft. wide by 980 ft. long and nowhere less than 270 ft. high, large enough to easily hold within itself the two previous contenders for the world's largest official chamber - Carlsbad's "Big Room" in New Mexico and the "Salle de la Verna" in the Pierre Saint- Martin caverns in France. Yankee stadium could fit in one end of the Sarowak chamber with room to spare!

The Book of Dyzan, which has been translated from ancient manuscripts, tells of intellectually sophisticated humans from an ancient earth-born society who abandoned the surface of the earth, "depriving the impure human race of their knowledge," and leaving in flying craft to rejoin their land "of iron and metal."

The Maltese Cave Entrance
This entrance is located on the island of Malta, near the small village of "Casal Paula." (This village is built on the "Corradino" plateau, and overlooks the capitol town of Malta, "Valletta," as well as Grand Harbour.) In 1902, workmen digging a well in Casal Paula fell into a subterranean cavern. The well was being dug for a house on "Hal Saflienti," the main street in Casal Paula. The cavern the workers had fallen into connected with an entire complex of caves and tunnels. This entrance is known as the "Hypogeum of Hal Saflienti." (In Latin, "Hypogeum" is the name for an underground structure.) "The tunnels under the Hypogeum have been sealed off even since a school took 30 students into the caves and disappeared, guide and all. Search parties were never able to locate any trace of the people and children.


Newfoundland Iron Mine Entrance
After one of the Iron Mines in Newfoundland Province had been dug deeper than any other, strange happenings caused the mine to be shut down. The mining town in which this mine is located is near the Newfoundland-Quebec Border. This mine, having been condemned, is off-limits, and the police DO enforce this. Sneaking in late at night seems to be the only way to gain entrance.

TURKEY
Thirty six underground cities have been discovered so far in Cappadocia with some going down eight levels. Some of these cities can hold a population of thousands. The ventiliation system are so efficient that even eight floors down the air is still fresh. Thirty vast underground cities and tunnel complexs have also been found near Derinkuya in Turkey .

South America

Karl Brugger, in his book The Chronicle of Akakor (Boohi Tree Books., Delacorte Press., N.Y., 230 pp), gives the history-- as given to the author by one of their chiefs--of the Ugha Mongulala tribesman, whose ancestors were allegedly part of a vast empire which covered South America in ancient times. Some of these ancient people, the chief claimed, left the planet in aerial vessels to explore other parts of the solar system and beyond, leaving behind vast subterranean cities beneath the Andes mountains and western Brazil. In 1971, due to the constant encroachment of white settlers or invaders into their territory, 30,000 survivors of the Ugha Mongulala allegedly escaped to this ancient system of underground cities, consisting of 13 separate subterranean complexes all connected by tunnels, one of which is said to extend to Lima, and others of which are located throughout the Andes Mountain range of Peru.


Saga Magazine's UFO Annual [980, p4], under the heading 'Cave Martians', described a bizarre encounter with subterranean creatures which seemed to have consisted of some type of automaton-like forms, perhaps on a reconnaissance mission from an underground civilization. The story involved a tunnel near Xucurus, Argentina(?), some 90 miles from Buenos Aires. The tunnel was discovered by agriculturalist Gerardo Cordeire, and found to contain nine connecting passages and strange inscriptions on the walls. From it's entrance "men nine feet tall, green, with antennas on their heads, and square legs" were seen to emerge, and which, according to hundreds of witnesses from the town and nearby locals, resembled enormous "portable radios."


United States Underground Cities, Bases and Tunnels Systems


GOVERNMENT MAP OF UNDERGROUND TUNNELS

These areas were found off a government map showing just some of the underground bases in the United States.

EDWARDS AIR FORCE BASE :From Edwards a tunnel goes to Vandenberg Air Force Base From Vandenberg you back up to Edwards and go Southeast to subterranean base at a place that the map designates as Cat., which probably means Catalina Island, showing a flying saucer there so alien space crafts are probably seen there. The map shows an underground base and a tunnel going into it at a place called 29 palms.
The next place on the map where an underground base is, is the Chocolate Mts.
There appears to be a site in Nevada at Tonopah, Area 51 at Groom Lake, and a place designated as COG AFB.
In Arizona we have sites at Wickiup and Page.
Utah there is one at Salt Lake City (R&D AFB).
There is one in Riverton "M", Denver, Colorado, Colorado Springs, COG Creedo and Delta.
In New Mexico they are at Dulce, Taos, Los Alanos, ALB, AFB, Datil and Carlsbad.
In Texas there is one at Lubbock. Denton "908" (C.O.G) seems to have an isolated one, Ft. Stockton and in Old Mexico there is one at Chihuahua.
Tulsa Oklahoma has one and just NE of there we appear to have one with a saucer coming out of it.
Hutchison AFB Kansas has one.

"Members are also asked to avoid copying and pasting huge amounts of text from other web sites to support an argument. One or two quoted paragraphs and a source link are more than sufficient..."

Especially when at least part of the content is the original site trolling for cash. I fi had wanted to give these people money, I'd have gone to their website myself.


--Jaylemurph

holy cr*p... yeah, what he said....

A Lecture by Hartwig Hausdorf
http://www.20kweb.com/weird_stuff/lecture_...g_hausdorf.html


the guy who brought the pyramids of China to everyone's attention......

http://web.utanet.at/mahain/Pyramids_in_China.htm
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http://www.lauralee.com/chi_pyr.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yap
http://www.visityap.org/aboutyap/about_yap_history.html

some natives who have based a culture on these heavy stone disks...

note.... "In due time the decision was made for them. The foreign ship was coming, just as the leaders of Seepin had forewarned. As the mast of the ship crossed the horizon the people of Seepin broke off the talks and tearfully bid farewell to their friends from the other islands. Determined to avoid contact with the outsiders they called upon their greatest magicians and sank the entire island beneath the waves - like the legendary Atlantis - and were never seen again."





http://www.allenvarney.com/av_turkey.html

"Stone wheels guarded the most precious treasures of Derinkuyu's inhabitants. Gold? Jewels? No, although a duck-walk down a long, very low spiralling tunnel leads to a treasure room where one or two guards could hold off an army. Instead, the ancient Christians rolled down those stone wheels to protect their sacred ground."

...more on tunnels... " Ultimately excavation may make even the higher population estimates (60,000 people) probable. The likelihood of these high guesses depends, I think, on connections with entire new complexes, currently unconfirmed (so far as I know) but suspected. Turkish researcher Omer Demr writes in Cappadocia: Cradle of History, ``The tunnels form connecting links with some underground cities near Derinkuyu so that the population could save their lives by using these escape routes. We have reason to believe that one of the tunnels on the third storey is connected with an underground city at Kaymakli 9 km (5.4 miles) away. The tunnel in question is wide enough for three or four people to walk upright side by side. The ventilation ducts of the tunnel, many of which have been filled with rubble or destroyed through the years, are expected to be opened in the coming years.''

haha..i was wondering if anyone else was thinking the same thing...


Anyway, I will definitely look into that book Wallfly. I want to stress that I never did argue for the fact that there is or was an Atlantis. I think you and I are on the same page (although you may have done a little more research than I have so far) about how there have just not been enough studies on some of these things.

Jaylemurph, the list I made wasn't supposed to be a list of things supporting the idea of Atlantis. It was a list of things that are argued to be 'unexplainable' by a substantial amount of people, even today. If some have been 'debunked' by evidentiary proof, then I apologize for adding it, I didn't know. Thats why I come to these forums, to learn more and get others' opinions.

You are completely right in saying what you did about how progress will be made. I think it will be a long time, and I think that before any clear answer, there is going to be more confusion and controversy.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_an.../reptiles27.htm

Los Angeles Times, January 29, 1934



"Lizard People's Catacomb City Hunted
Engineer Sinks Shaft Under Fort Moore Hill to Find Maze of Tunnels

and Priceless Treasures of Legendary Inhabitants


By: Jean Bosquet



excert of article.....


The Lizard People, the legends has it, regard the lizard as a symbol of long life. Their city is laid out like a lizard, according to the legend, it's tail to the Southwest, far below Fifth and Hope streets, it's head to the northeast, at Lookout and Marda streets. The city's key room is situated directly under South Broadway, near Second street, according to Shufelt and the legend. (click image left)

This key room is the directory to all the parts of the city and to all record tablets, the legend states. All records were to be kept on golden tablets, four feet long and fourteen inches wide. One these tablets of gold, gold having been the symbol of life to the legendary Lizard People, will be found the record of history of the Mayans and on one particular tablet, the southwest corner of which will be missing, is found the "record of the origin of the human race."

TABLETS PHOTOGRAPHED
Shufelt stated he has taken "X-Ray pictures" of thirty-seven such tablets, three of which have their southwest corners cut off.

"My radio X-ray pictures of the tunnels and rooms, which are subsurface voids, and of gold pictures with perfect corners, sides and ends, are scientific proof of their existence," Shufelt said. "However, the legendary story must remain speculative unearthed by excavation."

The Lizard People, according to Macklin, were of a much higher type of intellectuality than modern human beings. The intellectual accomplishments of their 9-year-old children were of equal of those of present day college graduates, he said. So greatly advanced scientifically were these people that, in addition to perfecting a chemical solution by which they bored underground without removing any earth and rock, they also developed a cement far stronger and better than any in use in modern times which they lined their tunnels and rooms.

HILLS ENCLOSE CITY
Macklin said legendary advise to American Indians was to seek the lost city in an area within a chain of hills forming,

"the frog of a horses hoof. The contour of hills surrounding this region forms such a design, substantiating Shufelt's findings," he said.

Shufelt's radio device consists chiefly of a cylindrical glass case inside which a plummet attached to a copper wire held by the engineer sways continually, pointing he asserts, toward minerals or tunnels below the surface of the ground, and then revolves when over mineral or swings in prolongation of the tunnel when above the excavation. He has used the instrument extensively in mining fields, he said."

(Source: Unicus magazine 2/92.1142 Manhattan Avenue, Suite 43, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266. USA) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

LIZARD PEOPLE UPDATE Dear Duncan, Here is a reptilian relic that was found in Los Angeles in 1954 that neatly fits into the "Lost Land of the Lizard People" article [see NEXUS 2/19]. Enclosed is a photo of an artefact that is definitely very old, depicting a full-bodied dragon. The upper section of the medallion is made of pure silver that was somehow fused to a copper-alloy base which is composed of over 40 different types of metal. The medallion's actual dimensions are 7/8" (width) x 1/4" (length) x 1/l6" (depth). The man who found it, Mr G., was an aerospace engineer who lived and worked for the US Government in Chatsworth, California. The artefact was found while Mr G. was helping a friend, who lived on the northern shore of Lake Chatsworth, repair the wooden stairway to the front porch. Mr G. dropped his hammer, which fell into a soft sandy area, and when he reached to pull his hammer out he noticed this small metal medallion. Mr G. still has the artefact in his possession, and after much research feels that it belonged to an ancient race of space people named ALTEC, who left behind their influence on this world long ago. The Friendly or Sleeping Dragon is a very old symbol, one which has definite connections to UFO's I once had the opportunity to show a picture of a Pleiadian-style UFO to a man from Bhutan (near Tibet) and asked if he had ever seen such a thing. He replied that yes, they did see them often and that they were called "Friendly Dragon". Chatsworth is located in Los Angeles County near the north-west border of the city and county lines. It is likely that a Chinese laborer lost this artefact while working in Chatsworth on railroad construction, around the turn of the century. There is a rail-road tunnel that was cut by the Chinese through a solid red rock ridge called the Santa Suzana Pass near the Chatsworth Lake.

Old Chinatown is located in downtown Los Angeles and was built where the new rail-yard now sits. New Chinatown is built over much of the old tunnel systems that the first Chinese leaders had constructed for their 'safety' when they first arrived in the area. It is possible that engineer/inventor G. W. Shufelt did not know what he had stumbled onto electronically, and it is also logical that Chinese people would not admit to the existence of a secure system of tunnels and rooms they had worked so hard to build in secret. There may even have existed a series of older tunnels and rooms that the Chinese discovered during their own excavations and construction.

However, the Federal Government definitely stepped in during the '50s and took control of the entire underground tunnel system for their Cold War operations, adding many new paranoid-influenced improvements over the years that followed. In the '9Os, suspicious arson fires prevented well-equipped - ONI - intelligence operatives from gaining access to the secret entrance that was located in the basement of the so-called 'public' library. There is more to this story than can be told at this time.

Take care, and keep up the great work with NEXUS. Sincerely, Robert Stanley Editor, Unicus Magazine Suite 43, 1142 Manhattan Avenue, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, USA


http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/reptilin.htm


http://www.homestead.com/WinterSteel/Facts.html

Crystal Sage, you truly are high-priestess of the Children of Light!

Your assertions remind me surprisingly of one Joshua David Stone! But I already digress...

In reviewing some of your links on post #55....

One - which told of the german author (not scientist mind you) researching China's ancient UFO crash and a possible 'alien' race still in existence.

One - which told of another author (this an actual scientist) who specialty is harmonics and mathematics that researches the China's White pyramids as well. Intriguing but just a recount of his discovery of China's pyramids.

Another - from a site with no real credibility at all further then the above individuals whom she sites, that just recounts their findings.

One - Wikipedia. Im sorry, but anyone using Wikipedia as a source to back up arguments, needs to have their head examined. It's a public web based engine for misinformation. Credibility goes out the window.

One - from an author and roll game designer (again, not a scientist) elaborating on tunnels and complex networks of cities the size of the nile valley running under the pyramids of the world.

And another which did not work at all.

Ok.... now, I'm not discrediting the 'discoveries' at all at this point. They very well could be authentic and grand, impactive archeological finds. In which case I will don the toga and crystal crown along side you in celebratory procession! But don't you think that if something of this magnitude was actually worthy of such intrigue that more than one or two of the credible scientific community would endorse it? And perhaps you could link THEIR sites (which im sure would chronicle the latest findings) as basis for your theory?

Again I am forced to relate to my read on The Dead Sea Scrolls. To me the most impactive discovery in the last few centuries the western world has known. And how it swept the archeological and scientific community into a frenzy with anticipation and intrigue. Undeniable artifacts that date a century beyond the common era containing the basis of todays most widely known religions. Teams throughout the world are studying these scrolls and sharing theories and findings to build an understanding of their origins and true story of their messages.

Now, compare them with what your presuming with alternative evolution and underground tunnels and cities that run for miles underneath pyramids around the world. And ask yourself why the scrolls of the Dead Sea get more attention, lectures, grant dollars, analysis, books and notoriety than your labyrinth cities or China's Roswell? How come the Bosnian pyramid has garnered more attention? Or even the supposed lost tomb of Jesus and Pals?

And lastly I feel compelled to mention that although these 'researchers' claim scientific backup for these discoveries, it usually requires at LEAST 3 credible sources to corroborate such findings to validate them in the books. Im yet to see such validation.

Love, Peace and Light.
____________________________

Dog Daze,
I hear ya. And im sorry for taking my retaliation out on ya. No disrespect intended. I also read a great book on Atlantis that presented informatin very objectively, explored the myth and possible world cultures that could validate similar legends with their history. I'll have to remember who the author was and post it here soon.

True.

I'll read the post articles later. They look good.

yes atlantis is told to be sunk beneth the waves and yes it was told to be destroyed.

but not all sank and was destroyed only that, that was made from man sank beneth the waves and was destroyed.

i see an example with the grand etang harbor ,from an impack of a comite or meteor ,the harbor opened up by a good km from were it started and that moved a peice of land about 6 km long to slip into ths gulf of st larwents in somewhat of a counterclock wise motion.

thank god it stoped but could you imagin the tidel wave that sweped over p.e.i and all the maine land that surround the gulf.

i showed the impacked site in the pics of atlantis somewere on one of these threads here ,a littel round lake its the start of my proof .

...what?

why do you look so confused ,grand etang harbor is a good example it lies on the west side of cape breton and if you follow from the paws of the lion

which is p.e.i because it sit on the right side and yes the bull is on the left with the eagle to the back and a face that fronts her and you'll see that it leads

you right here.

'paws of the lion'
'p.e.i.'
'bull on left'
'eagle to the back'
'face that fronts her'

just a few encrypted terms some my have confussion with...

It sounds like he 'sees' in visions... often they come as symbols...

He could also be doing remote visioning/viewing...
http://skepdic.com/remotevw.html
http://www.freeworldacademy.com/newbizzadviser/fw2.htm

looking from the north over the gulf of st larwents, the face is the gaspe pinnisula that fronts the throne.

the lion (p.e.i) is on the right from the face as you can see.

now the bulls head is the south eastern part of cape breton, ilsle madam and it lies on the left of the throne and yes their wings of all three are joined

the ones that are spread wide and the others go down their body.

the eagel to the back is grande-entree on magdalen islands,but inorder to see that you have stand in the

valley that sits on the right hand side of the throne.

now if their is any doubt about a throne being in heaven go to flash earth on googool and look to the north over cape breton and you can see how

emerald in color it looks ,you know the funny thing is their is even a small dome like crystal (ice) being greenland and her glaciers above her toboot

let alown a small sea in front being the gulf of st larwents .

this golden age will come agian like the blood of generation of the past when the ones that know the true one, christ of a cosmic likness will bestow that

clowke of glory . but only the father our god knows when.

in the bible is where i saw that new temple and the throne and helped me in my search there of ,all though it is just a small portion ,one valley apone

3000 square miles of island ,it is the head that is apon high.

my seach of myself has brought me from bottom to top and right back to where i first started way long ago for when i was a young ladd i would look up at

that old mt in back of the farm and ask all the whats,wheres and hows and now aday's i walks her and know.

all the information u guys provided is GREAT !!!
yet i am confused .... Where is all this evidence ??? all these archaeological sites u guys are mentioning i have YET to see anything that proves a THING...

as for M.A.D he has lost all the touch with reality

Some ancient links here


http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/1978...hite.stones.htm

"Ebla's historical significance, he went on, is immense. "For the first time, we know a properly Syrian culture existed in the third millennium. And it was a great, highly sophisticated urban civilization. Furthermore, we have another important source of written documentation from Syria and the horizon of this new source is not only northern Syria; it includes all of the Near East in the third millennium. And the third millennium is the real beginning of the urban civilization for the whole world, as I have said.

"Also in a more detailed perspective we must change our view of this period. About 2300 B.C. Akkad was a world power, the only world power known in the Near East. Now we know that there were two world powers - Ebla in northern Syria and Akkad in southern Mesopotamia. We now know too that this was a period of struggle and tension between the two great powers, that about 2250 B.C. Ebla was destroyed by a great king of Akkad - Naram Sin. This great king says, in an inscription, that he destroyed Ebla and another city of northern Syria. Arman, which was perhaps the ancient name for Aleppo. It is typical that Naram Sin says that no one before him succeeded in destroying Ebla and Arman and that never since the creation of mankind had anyone conquered these cities. This is a very boastful speech, but surely he alluded to the great political power of Ebla.


http://www.j-e-s-u-s.org/mike/quest.htm

The Place: A Description Of Mari

What about Mari? Mari or Tell Hariri is situated on the Euphrates River about fifteen miles north of the present Syria-Iraq border.[4] It lies between the ancient biblical cities of Haran and Ur.

Parrot saw eight periods of development within the stratigraphy of the city of Mari, which dated from the thirty-first to the sixth century before Christ.[11] He interprets one level as contemporary with the third dynasty of Ur; the temples at that period were to Dagan and Ninharsug around 2250-2100 B.C.E.[12] In the sixth century the Neo-Babylonians only had a small village there


http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/pubs/nn/win02_pardee.html


Here's some excerpts from some interesting research papers of
UGARIT RITUAL TEXTS

By Dennis Pardee, Professor of Northwest Semitic Philology
The Oriental Institute, and the
Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations
The University of Chicago




"Efforts principally to republishing the Ugaritic texts according to literary genre. My first effort, full of mistakes in my turn, was a re-edition of the hippiatric texts, a genre of which the oldest versions are Ugaritic. These texts, only four in number, reflect empirical medicine practiced on horses, a practice and literary genre that continued until quite recently. The second project was a small group of texts, only nine in number, excavated in a single house in 1961 that showed a striking peculiarity: all contained mythological material but in forms that differed from the long mythological texts for which Ugarit is famous. The most striking is a brief story about the great god El becoming drunk at a feast and having to be carried home by his sons. This atypical myth is followed by a prose recipe for alcoholic collapse that features the first known connection between drunkenness and the "hair of the dog": "What is to be put on his forehead: hairs of a dog. And the head of the PQQ (a type of plant) and its shoot he is to drink mixed together with fresh olive oil." This group of texts I republished as Les textes para-mythologiques in 1985."

http://www.specialtyinterests.net/mesopotamia.html

Revised Account of Mesopotamian History



http://en.allexperts.com/e/m/ma/mari,_syria.htm

Ancient History

Tablet of King Zimri-Lim of Mari, ca. 1780 BC, Louvre Museum
Mari had been inhabited since the 5th millennium BCE, but the real significance of the city was during the third and second millennia BCE. The inhabitants of Mari were a Semitic people, thought to be part of the same Eblaite and Akkadian migration.
First Golden Age
The city flourished since it was strategically important as a relay point between Sumerian cities of lower Mesopotamia and the cities of northern Syria. Sumer required building materials such as timber and stone from northern Syria, and these materials had to go through Mari to get to Sumer.
First Destruction
After a period of eminence beginning 2900 BCE, Mari was destroyed around 2350 BCE. This destruction brought a period of relative decline in importance in the region and the city was reduced to no more than a small village. Historians are divided when it comes to who destroyed the city; some name Sargon of Akkad (who stated that he had passed through Mari on his famous campaign to the west), while others say it was the Eblaites, Mari's traditional commercial rivals.


The inhabitants of Mari worshiped a vast array of Sumerians gods and goddesses. Dagan, the deity of storms, had an entire temple dedicated to him. As did Ishtar, the goddess of fertility, and Shamash, the Sun god. Shamash was believed to be all-knowing and all-seeing, and in many seals he is seen standing between two large doors. According to the legend of Gilgamesh, these doors are between Mount Mashu, and are the eastern doors to heaven. Through Mari's extensive trade network, Sumerian gods and goddesses were taken to non-Sumerian cities such as Ebla and Ugarit and incorporated into their native religion.

http://www.jwmt.org/v1n6/provence.html
uriously enough, it is the name, Mary, which provides us with the broader connection. The last of the ancient Neolithic people to be overwhelmed by the eastern cultures, in this case Rome in the late third century, were the Basques of the southwestern coast of France and northern Spain. In Basque folklore there survived prominent traces of the Neolithic goddess religion. The pagan Basques worshiped the natural world; they thought of the sky as a kind of thunder god, Ortzia, and the earth was a mother goddess known as Mari.

This rather shadowy figure, usually conceived as a tall, beautiful and kindly woman with some kind of magical or semi-divine powers, is familiar even today from one end of the Pyrenees to the other, from the White Lady of Chateau Puivert near Rennes-le-Chateau to the Virgin of Lourdes. Mari is associated with certain locations such as the grottos and springs under La Rhune, the sacred mountain of the Basque, and anthropologists have seen her as a continuation of the ancient pagan mother-goddesses once associated with those locations. Mari's associations with the sacred and secret places in the geography of the Basque country as well as her association with spinning, springs, grottos and megalithic monuments, mark her as a unique preservation of the ancient European goddess figure.[18]

But the name itself is Semitic in origin. To the Egyptians, Bronze Age Cyprus was known as Ay-mari or the land of Mari, because of the island’s devotion to the ancient goddess. And the name Mari appears in the most unexpected places. Ma-ri in Sumerian means fruitful mother. There is a city of Mari on the Euphrates and the Hebrew name Miryam, which is the origin of Maria, is a contraction of Marat-Hayam - Lady of the Sea. Why these names appear among the Basques, of all people, is anyone’s guess. It points perhaps to a very old connection, those Phoenician traders again, between all the peoples around the Mediterranean. It might also explain why the name Maria occupies a prominent position in Christian mythology, and why St. Jerome called the Virgin Stella Maris - Star of the Sea.[19]

Well crystal sage....I could only manage about a quarter of your first post before getting exasperated, but I do have to commend you on your detailed knowledge of a fabricated history.

Don't feel alone though.....there are a billion and a half christians who believe that the mythical god-man Jesus actually walked the earth the did all the miracles attributed to him. You aren't any more crazy than they are.....in fact you may be more sane as there may in fact be a kernal of truth to the Atlantis story....that is to say, there probably have been ancient island civilisations in the Meditterannean or Carribean or South Pacific that were detroyed by a tsunami caused by earthquake, volcano or meteor and stories like Atlantis are vague remembrances of such events. It's just that such civilizations were products of natural history and did not have "remarkable powers".

Hi Seeing you are relatively new here ... I don't necessarily believe fully everything I 'cut and paste'... on these forums... I just feel they add an interesting new light to history as we know it... I think we should be open to new information that seems relevant... or could link ideas of how things really were or came about..... there are so many gaps to our history at the moment... so I think we can with modern technology...clues from legends... previously puzzeling artifacts.. or references that didn't quite make sense... but we blithely decided what they must mean... eg our various translations o
f the bible and other ancient documents..tablets.. scrolls etc....

I think we often forget that they lived in different times... had different ideas about what things are... how they are .. a much reality different from ours../..

just think how differently we perceive the meanings of some words that say our parents...grandparents... or in different cultures ... the same sentence can have a completely different meaning to them than to us...

Look perhaps at the language translations on videos... how badly laughably some translations make a movie look!!! why??/ because they have different meanings for the same words...ideas... or they could have just translated them wrongly..

So we need to go over as much history docuiments. relics from all museums.. private collections.. religious storehouses.. libraries.... almost like those CSI shows to reconstruct our history... to get it right....

Why because we can!!!... because it will make life more interesting!!!... rewrite some wrongs....and teach us...help us know who we really are...

Just think of ourselves as orphan nations... trying to understand.. get to know our true parentage...where our ideas... beliefs... habits.. cultures.. legends...fears came from!!!

Just so that we can understand who we truly are !!!!

Actually I'll surprise myself and agree fully with you....in fact its one of the best posts i've ever seen on this site. We are cut off from our true history. History is written by the winning side and the farther back we go the less information we have about the losing side to refute the propoganda of the winning side which has made it into our standard history books. And its hard for us to accept the rewriting of history because we are products of the winning versions of history. And as you say, we cannot really understand the life and times and experiences of ancient peoples and understand exactly what they meant when they wrote. They indeed lived in a different reality. The bible is full of powerful symbols of metaphor and allegory because that was their approach to moral learning back then.......and we blilndly miss all the important meanings of these myths by believing that these stories are meant to describe historical fact. And translations from ancient Egyptian, Greek, and Hebrew are rife with understandable errors in meaning, "intentional" mistakes and misdirection, and spurious editing.

But in the last 50 years our knowledge of our past is getting better and more complete - some of these delusions we live under now will in the next century seem as silly as believing in Zeus and his lightning bolt (which incidently, very few Pagans did)

Furthermore, I have no doubt that my ideas on past historical events are probably wrong as well. But I think that you can think critically and rationally and try to get newer versions of history which are less wrong than earlier versions.

I must also admit that I am too direct and logical to express myself very well mystically. But I do like how Crystal Sage expressed herself in her last post, its kinda what I'd like to say but am unable to do so.

But I have to say...I still think that over 90% of her content is "too far out there"

but that other 90% it is usefull in laying the groundwork for understanding the ideas the various contibuters are trying to express or how or why they arrived at those facts... often to they are simply retelling the stories from their sources...that have been passed down from generation to generation... It is good to retell it exactly as they get it... so that important facts aren't adulterated..as hidden meanings..key points will be lost... The ancient Bard... story teller was an honourable position... whole histories were entrusted to them... so they had to be as acurate as possible!!!

Just think if over the centuries, the newer generations decided to embellish it... or alter it to make it more acceptable for their times!!!
How different would the Bible be then?? Or finally, when they came accross a cleric etc. who had the necessary skills write these sacred tales... what would be the point????

We can't truly in all honesty just pluck out the bits of information we want.. to suit our needs... like lots of people randomly do with the Bible to justify their ideas...deeds...
You have to take the as much of the context that these ideas spring from to get a better/truer idea where they spring from... eg.. like environmental... times.. basic beliefs... and fashions of the time,to get a truer understanding of what the speaker is expressing...or why he believes this to be the case....

Also I don't like the way some people who collect so much useful information.. ideas... get discredited just because they get the odd thing wrong!!!.. eg... like some say ..you can't believe anything so and so says because he once said that>>>>>>>

We are all mistaken accasionally... pick up the wrong end of the stick... or accept some information and add it to our little pile of facts only to discover that the source was mistaken... If you look at science... how often do they get it wrong.. or not quite right... until they find a better answer........

The important thing is to keep searching for answers..... ..'seek and you shall find!!!'

http://www.freebsd.nfo.sk/atlantis.htm some interesting photos on this site!!!!

Pyramids in the Amazon jungle do really exist.
At the beginning of the 20th century, this in archeology interested adventurer decided to explore “lost worlds” in the South-American forests. On the basis of agreements with the Bolivian and Brazilian governments, he became a member of several expeditions, and already in the year 1911 he lectured in London about “lost cities” the existence of which he predicted somewhere on the border between Bolivia and Brazil. Percy Fawcett was a real enthusiast of the mythological Atlantis and he believed that South America, i.e. Brazil, was colonized by this civilization in our ancient history.

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/unma...d_deception.htm


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/atlantid...p_lemuria_8.htm

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/leumurian2.html




http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/unma...d_deception.htm


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/atlantid...p_lemuria_8.htm

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/leumurian2.html

Enthusiast? Maybe. Nutcase? Absolutely, at least, according to his son Brian:

Source: Another great page under the Catchpenny umbrella that I've so often tried so hard to get members here to visit.

BTW, it now appears that this "mysterious disappearance" of Colonel Fawcett may well turn out to itself have been a hoax:
Source: Veil lifts on jungle mystery of the colonel who vanished

Horney old dude was trying to set up a commune full of naked prancing amozonian native women!

Harte

Maybe he was just working on a plan to entice National Geographic for more cover shots???


for promoting the cause...the need for saving the culture...the environment.... of course


http://home.earthlink.net/~larryorcutt/fawcett.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/brazil/story/0,1...1174589,00.html
http://www.phfawcettsweb.org/chav.htm

http://www.skygaze.com/content/mysteries/LostCities.shtml
If that is the case ...





http://www.bbc.co.uk/communicate/archive/b...len/page1.shtml

http://tunari.tripod.com/id6.html

The Jesuit Agnelio Oliva (1572-1542) recorded the words of an old Inca quipu reader to the effect that the real Tiahuanaco was a subterranean city exceeding the one above ground in vastness. It was believed that the entrance to the underground apartments could be gained through four tunnels. Last century one passage was evidently found as treasure hunters managed to get in, to look for gold, but only one came out. He brought out with him two gold bars but left behind his sanity. After this incident the Peruvian government decided to wall up the cave entrance..."

Lost Subterranean Incan Treasures in Bolivia and Peru

There have been many historical figures (Incans and Spaniards) from the era of the Spanish Conquistadors that stated that the Incas kept a well guarded secret of underground tunnels criss-crossing Bolivia and Peru. They also attested that those ancient tunnels hundreds of miles long were built by an unknown peoples many years before them! Perhaps the Tiahuanacans


http://www.geocities.com/webatlantis/

So here is a site that has all the factors that Plato mentioned, firstly it is in the centre of the level rectangular plain at a distance of 50 stades from the sea. It has the required red, black and white stone. It has underground hot and cold springs. It is a route centre at the southern end of the lake.

But most remarkable of all, the site has been sunk by earthquakes and a Bolivian legend called... Atlantis origins in Bolivian Legend,
Desaguadero, Tunapa

http://www.geocities.com/webatlantis/atlan...nsinlegends.htm

This is quite interesting!!!!


http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue13/ar13dogu.html

This is hard evidence I just posted on another thread and is applicable here.

A concurrent in-depth study of the Ancient Structures of Egypt, Britain and Mexico reveals many common mathematical and geometrical concepts, elements and principles present in their ancient structures. Upon visual inspection the Great Pyramid, Stonehenge and Teotihuacan seemingly have no visual connections to one another. A concurrent study does however validate the ancient structures do share a wealth of similar concepts, principles and elements instilled through a method yet to be explored. The Stonehenge cubit of 1/12,000,000 Earth's polar radius is the basic unit of measure for all of the ancient structures such as Stonehenge, Teothiuacan, all of the Pyramids of the Yucatan and also demonstrated at Giza in the Great Pyramid along with other elements to bind this altogether.
According to Ancient Hindu Chronology in the table shown below the total for one Grand Yuga or Meta Yuga is equal to 4,320,000 years.

The Golden Age of mankind is given at 1,728,000 years
The Silver Age of mankind is given at 1,296,000 years
The Bronze Age of mankind is given at 864,000 years
The Iron Age of mankind is given at 432,000 years
For a total of Grand Yuga of 4,320,000 years

Is it coincidence that the Sun Pyramid at Teotihuacan produced the same number sequence with the level base perimeters as shown below?

The First Level Base a perimeter of 1728 Stonehenge cubits (12 * 12 2)
The Second level base perimeter of 1296 Stonehenge Cubits (9 * 12 2)
The Third level base perimeter of 864 Stonehenge cubits (6 * 12 2)
The Fifth level base perimeter of 432 Stonehenge cubits (3 * 12 2)

Based on the evidence I have seen there is no coincidence, this is deliberate and purposeful.

The Sun Pyramid presents strong evidence that validates the numbers for Hindu Chronology in the form of the number of Stonehenge cubits (1.737874285714… feet) in each base level as listed above as a form of verification for this concept. The numbers that are bolded represent the formula by which the Sun Pyramid was constructed. The demonstrated by the various levels base perimeters in descending order:
Top level is (1* 12 2) (2 * 12 2) (3 * 12 2) (4 * 12 2) (6 * 12 2) (9 * 12 2) (12 * 12 2)
When we find these things do we really understand the concepts, principles and elements of our find? This is neither a coincidence nor an unexplained mystery but validates the concept of a worldwide civilization that predates recorded history. One could almost say based on the diversity of the findings the ancient civilizations elements have been manifest in all corners of the world, Egypt, Britain, Mesoamerica, New Zealand, Australia and India, gives further evidence of the strong possibility of an Antediluvian civilization of global proportion.

Crystal Sage, you have it mostly right.

Lumeria was located on the continents of North, South and Mesoamerica the Pacific Areas of Indonesia and China. Atlantis was located on the continents of Europe, Africa and Eastern Aisa and India some 12,000 years ago.

No, it is yet again another made-up unit of measure specially constructed to try to tie together a passel of ridiculous claims. Like Smythes "Pyramid inch."


I suppose you won't mind if I assume here that you mean Lemuria?

The "continent" of Lemuria was first postulated to explain the presence of lemur fossils (thus the name) in Madagascar and in Asia, across the Indian Ocean from Madagascar. There is no ancient reference to Lemuria anywhere in existence. The idea of Lemuria acting as a land bridge across the Indian Ocean was to help explain how these animals in the past reached these diverse areas.

Once continental drift was established as factual and undeniable, by actually measuring the movement of the continents on a year by year basis, the concept of Lemuria was no longer needed and was thus discarded by intelligent people in favor of a real and demonstrable explanation for the observations that Lemuria was invented to explain.

This, however, did not keep the less intelligent, as well as the less trustworthy, people from clinging to the idea of this "lost continent," whether it be for romantic purposes or for monetary (and felllonious) gain.

Harte

No it is not a made up unit of measure The Stonehenge cubit is the basic unit of measure used at Stonehenge and incorporated into all of the ancient structures investigated thusfar. Before you acccuse people of fraud you should get your facts straight so you don't appear as the ignorant one. Study the list below and give me your opinion on this anomoly if you would please. If these are not enough I will provide you with another hundred or so.

Measured Units

28 units = Inner radius of Stonehenge Sarsen Circle
30 units = Outer radius of Stonehenge Sarsen Circle
42 units = Height of Pyramid of Quetzalcoatl*
56 units = Inner Diameter of Sarsen Circle
581/3 units = One Geographic Second
60 units = Outer Diameter of Sarsen Circle
84 units = Height of Moon Pyramid*
120 units = Base of Pyramid of Quetzalcoatl
126 units = Height of Sun Pyramid
168 units = Diameter Aubrey Holes (Stonehenge)
176 units = Inner Circumference of Sarsen Circle
256 units = Short side of Moon Pyramid Base
288 units = Long side of Moon Pyramid Base
432 units = Side Base of Sun Pyramid
437½ units = Socket Base Great Pyramid
480 units = Perimeter of Pyramid of Quetzalcoatl
528 units = Circumference Aubrey Holes (Stonehenge)**
756 units = Length of Citadel at Teotihuacan
875 units = One rotational Second ***
1088 units = Perimeter of Moon Pyramid Base
1440 units = Distance Between Moon and Sun Pyramid
1625 units = Perimeter of Pyramid of Kephren
1728 units = Perimeter of Sun Pyramid Base
1750 units = Perimeter of Socket Base Great Pyramid
3024 units = Perimeter of Citadel
3500 units = One mean minute of Latitude
4536 units = Length of The Way of the Dead (Teotihuacan)
210,000 units = One mean Degree
12,000,000 units = Earth's Polar Radius
75,600,000 units = Earth's Mean Circumference

The chance of a unit of measure fitting structures of two ancient cultures could be coincidental. When a unit of measure appears in all ancient structures from three divergent cultures separated by thousands of miles it is more than chance.
Piazza Smyth's pyramid inch is a classic example of bending the facts to fit a theory. He so wanted to prove the pyramid predicted the second coming of Christ.
Personally, I am not quite ready to grant predictive powers to the Ancient Cultures.

Please forgive my typo Yes it is Lemuria.

What was Lemuria invented to explain, animals? Can you explain the marsupials of Australlia?
Even better explain the Stone works on New Zealand the demonstrate the same unit of measure as Stonehenge and Giza?

The Lemuria I speak of was located in North, South and Mesoamerica, The Pacific rim, Indonesia and parts of China,

I guess I am just a charlatan, opportunist, an untrustworthy individal by your standards.

enuff with the tits for tats lets talk about how people of olden time way old could do the things we only dream of ,funny the picure gets clearer with harmonie not hate.

Actually i saw something on that a long time ago on the discovery channel. And it was a big deal. The had footage of the underwater pyramid with the crystal ball as well.

That's right, if you manipulate data long enough, you can always arrive at a 'meaningful' pattern.
Can you meaningfully connect these measurements? Can you meaningfully attach these to some globe-spanning culture?

And yes, I believe traditional science has a more than adequate explanation for marsupials -- it appears that you just haven't been bothered to explore it!

--Jaylemurph

Yes I can meaningfully connect all of these structures to one another. But have been hesitent to release this information because of the ramifications of such a find.
Basicly what is stated by the structures is as follows:

1. Mankind has been on the earth for over 2.5 million years. (Proofs from the ancient structures and Mathematics system.)
2. The Creation theory is invalid.
3. Modern Mathematics is error prone.
4. Mainstream Archeology is wrong in their theory that the ancient cultures had no contact and strongly indicates the validity of Atlantis.

I would be happy to send you the 68 page paper written on this subject that is "If You Really Want To Know" an section from the paper below:

"A concurrent in-depth study of the Ancient Structures of Egypt, Britain and Mexico reveals many common mathematical and geometrical concepts, elements and principles present in their ancient structures. Upon visual inspection the Great Pyramid, Stonehenge and Teotihuacan seemingly have no visual connections to one another. A concurrent study does however validate the ancient structures do share a wealth of similar concepts, principles and elements instilled through a method yet to be explored. The Stonehenge cubit of 1/12,000,000 Earth's polar radius is the basic unit of measure for all of the ancient structures such as Stonehenge, Teothiuacan, all of the Pyramids of the Yucatan and also demonstrated at Giza in the Great Pyramid along with other elements to bind this altogether.
According to Ancient Hindu Chronology in the table shown below the total for one Grand Yuga or Meta Yuga is equal to 4,320,000 years.

The Golden Age of mankind is given at 1,728,000 years
The Silver Age of mankind is given at 1,296,000 years
The Bronze Age of mankind is given at 864,000 years
The Iron Age of mankind is given at 432,000 years
For a total of Grand Yuga of 4,320,000 years

Is it coincidence that the Sun Pyramid at Teotihuacan produced the same number sequence of Ancient Hindu Chronology with the level base perimeters as shown below?

The First Level Base a perimeter of 1728 Stonehenge cubits (12 * 12 2)
The Second level base perimeter of 1296 Stonehenge Cubits (9 * 12 2)
The Third level base perimeter of 864 Stonehenge cubits (6 * 12 2)
The Fifth level base perimeter of 432 Stonehenge cubits (3 * 12 2)

Try to pass that off as a coincidence, but based on the evidence I have seen there is no coincidence, this is deliberate and purposeful."

There are things that can and cannot be explained. The only reason anything defies explaination is our lack of understanding for the concepts principles and elements governing the object or theory we are trying to comprehend. In other words Ignorance on our part.

Jaylemurph,
Are you and I the only ones to notice here that this dreamer has avoided stating exactly how long what he calls a "Stonehenge cubit" actually is? Obviously, without this info we cannot show him that this "unit" doesn't match all these claimed dimensions!

Earth's polar radius is 3,949.901 miles (approximately). A "Stonehenge cubit" is 1/12,000,000th of this amount. Anyone else here want to do this? I don't have time right now. When I return I will be saddened if I see that this is too much bother for anyone else here to check.


I wasn't even aware that there was something there to "explain." Sirfroth, would you care to "explain the (reptiles) of (South Florida)?" Better yet, can you explain why the "marsupials of Australia" require an explanation?


Harte

Probably the only thing I'll take away from this now is the image of a random marsupial wandering the planet demanding people justify its existence.
The Angry, Adolescent, Existential Wallaby.

Also, if my math is right (and there's not reason's a dramaturg's math should be), a 1.73 feet, or roughtly one foot, nine inches.
To be honest, I'm not quite sure /which/ pyramids of sun and moon he's talking about as they're common(ish) names for Meso-American pyramids.

--Jaylemurph

Australian marsupials... especially the platypus... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platypus .. http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20041025/platypus.html ( with it's genetic "An animal said to be the "world's weirdest" � the 'platypus' has just become a bit more unusual with a report that claims the mammal retains a distinctly birdlike sex chromosome." ) .... . could definately an examples of the supposed Atlantis' genetic experiments that managed to survive in a land where 'time stood still'... Maybe it was the original Garden of Eden???...or as it already naturally has the raw materials for Nuclear bombs... it could have been the land where all of Atlantis's mistakes were sent,.... and was nuked... then deliberatly was left abandoned... cordoned off for ages until about 70 ,000 to 100,000 years ago when the aboriginal ancestors rediscovered it???? .... or were they the assigned caretakes of the land??? notice how much respect they give to nature...and live harmoniously with it... ?
http://www.daintree-ecolodge.com.au/Experi...al-Culture.html




What do you think of this fellow's idea of measurements????
http://www.consciousunity.org/GreatPyramidProphecy.html

The Earth's Polar radius is 3949 5/7 miles or 20854491 3/7 feet, the ten millionth of the polar radius or Newton Cubit you speak of was developed by Sir Issac Newton during his quest to solve the puzzle of the Great Pyamid.
The Stonehenge cubit is 1/12,000,000 The Earth's Polar Radius or 1.737874285714285714285714...feet. no rounding it screws up the results. This unit is 176/175 part of the Pyramid's cubit of 1.728 feet which is 176/175 of the Royal Egyptian Cubit of 1 79/110 feet, the unit used in the construction of the Great Pyramid. The Pyramids of the Sun and Moon, the only ones to my knowledege in Mesoamerica are located in the complex of Teotihuacan in Mexico City. Peter Tompkins wrote a great book on the subject entitled "Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids", Great Book, lot's of information regarding the ancient structures.

So my friend Hart, why don't you and your friend Jaylemurph take some time to educate your self with the following sites and stop demonstrating your childish schoolyard behavior of tearing down what you don't understand.

These websites will educate you as to the different values of the Ancient worlds units of measure.

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Later Dudes

i belive you

No thanks, not needed, as I showed when I said:

Nothing else to say about it. It is a unit of measure that doesn't exist, except in the minds of obsessive pyramidiots.

Harte

well since i've come on here i been talking about a man in heaven and a man on earth and a man that those two are a reflextion of.

this man on earth that i see that is a reflextion of heaven ,well what i found of this man is ,yes i showed the head and the upper three but there's another head that man follows sometimes and this is of the lower three ,but still that is only six in number.

in that pussel of life just one more peace to go........

M.A.D.,

Most excellent, man. Another post without mentioning Cape Breton Island.

You're making real progress dude!

I'm rootin for you, man.

Harte

I agree with you Jaylemurph. And I have never come across a Basque that has ever claimed to be from Atlantis. I kind of think that an earlier thread that I started about the Basque language ("was it the language of Atlantis) was taken seriously by some people and is gradually seeping its way into becoming another non-fact,. I apologise for that.
I spend most weekends in the Basque country trying to learn something of their language and culture, and have met many, many Basques from all areas. Still no mention of Atlantis.

What is a cubit?