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1> '. . . no such thing as a photon, since light is a wave.' The argument starts off wrong!
A photon is a force given off in the atom when the electron changes orbits in the atom to an orbit closer to the nucleus. Look at the sun, but not for long; the fusion of a Hydrogen ion with a Helium ion creates photons, the light. In an unstable Hydrogen atom, the 1 electron spinning around the nucleus tries to find an inner orbit and it cannot because it is the only 1 which draws the unstable Helium atom and they bind to form light, heat, and a neutrino; the three electrons. The atoms are unstable and therefore are not actually atoms, but they are ions. The photon is an appropriate name for what is created by whatever force creates the light. You have a photon which is a particle and a 'real' photon which is wave.
2> ' They also say Saturn was once way closer to the Earth than it is now, and was called "Heaven" in ancient times. It is 20 times the diameter of the moon and was pressing in on the earth. They go into a long explanation of the red sphere within Venus, which was Mars, which exploded. I could transcribe that from the CDs I'm listening to if anyone is interested. '
'They' have always claimed that the universe is expanding. If the idea of a sigularity is correct, then ten million million million million million years ago, everything was on the other side. Looking at Saggittarius A and the birth of new galaxies, it is hard to imagine that there would be any difference in the content of a created galaxy or solar system. We have in our solar system 3 asteroid belts. I believe those were either a surface of something based on the pok-marks on all moons and the surfaces of planets or it was the remnants of stars that collided when this solar system started its journey from a Saggittarius A-type system those few years back. If that happened, the collisions, then this solar system was different. You claim Jupiter to be large, well, the sun is thousands of time larger than Jupiter, what d'ya think about that?
Sometimes I think that the first asteroid belt in our universe which is in the same orbit as this earth along with the Mercury and Venus was one planet, the sun being the center. Mercury and Venus and Earth, the moon, and maybe Mars were the soil of the planet. When the surface which was holding the elements of the soil into a planet of whatever kind it was collided with another planet or asteroid, the elements gathered together in one place and became the planets. Mercury is made of some elements that can survive that close to a gigantic ball of flame. The same with Venus, Earth, the moon, and Mars. All of the rings Saturn, Neptune and moons of Jupiter are likely to be some blow off from the collision or the planets themselves sort of minornova'd.
Hi greggK,
Maybe it's a wrong argument to you personally, but it takes a lot of time to go through the layers of information they present in order to understand all this and give it proper and fair consideration. Instead of having the usual and typical knee-jerk reaction, that is what I've attempted to do here.
I've just begun my study of what these men present, so I'm not an apologist for them, but what I can offer you right now as a further explanation of the new cosmology of David Talbott (Portland, Oregon) and Wallace Thornhill (Sydney, Australia), and a number of others who support their work, is a transcript of the following. One of the most impressive things about these men is their genuine calmness and sincerity, their lack of trying to 'prove' themselves to be bigshots, or be overbearing or authoritative. It was a pleasure to listen to them and I'm enjoying their sites as well. Their presentation alone made it worth taking a further look instead of having a knee-jerk reaction.
In their talk on a CD I have, they have just finished explaining the collision of the planets in the solar system, and how the ancients considered these planets their "gods". Also explained was the collective fear the human race has of "doomsday events" (and they gave extensive reports on why this is so) and how that is why the hypervigilant quest of calendar making was started - to try and chart the "next" cycle of catastrophic events. Especially feared was planets lining up, and also a set of zeroes in the year lining up, about which we saw a similar panic at the approach of Y2K and now with the advent of 201 where planets are aligning once again.
QUESTION: How is this grand cycle of the photon belt we're going through affecting us? Is it going to raise our consciousness, will it be another level of awareness? How's this coming about?ANSWER: "The problem basically comes back around to our profound ignorance. [of science and the cosmos]. We don't really understand how to ask the right questions (but the Electric Universe model points us in that direction).."Light - we keep talking about it in a kind of schizophrenic way. Some people talk about photons, and others talk about waves. The answer to the question is quite simple: light is a wave, so there is no such thing as a photon, although the effects that it can cause "appear" to happen in little "packets" or photons. The fact that this happens is all down to the marvelous way matter interacts in a resonant way.
"So, in answer to your question, I don't think there is such a thing as a photon belt, and when it comes down to these 'grand cycles', this once again harkens back to our fixation with "doomsday cycles", or cycles of events. In my opinion, I wouldn't hold my breath for these things to occur. My view is that enlightenment will occur once we begin to get our science right."The electric force is the strongest force in the universe and is the only force needed. All of the other forces: the magnetic force, gravitational force, nuclear force, can all be explained in terms of that single force, so it simplifies our picture of the universe. We all know electricity is very useful. We can run electric motors, etc. from it, and we do this by generating power at some distrance away from our cities, and then transferring that power to the cities. What I've (Wallace Thornhill) found is that the universe does the same thing: it transfers power from one region to the other, it creates galaxies and lights them. The stars are, in effect, like street lights running along the power lines."It means that you end up with a coherent and simple picture of the universe. It doesn't require any esoteric mathematics or any invented matter: black holes, and all these kinds of strange things which sound like science fiction, which actually return to the realm of science fiction Once we find the true electrical foundation of matter, we will find ways of gently nudging that power out of the nucleus. Nature knows how to tap that energy without being destructive, and once we learn that lesson, we will have limitless power (at no cost to us)."Regarding black holes, dark matter, etc.:
QUESTION: Most science says that we have 4% visible matter and about 96% dark energy and dark matter - all invisible.
ANSWER: That's the kind of seasoning you have to add to a theory that doesn't work. Cosmologists have presented us with a virtual reality. You see it all the time on television programs: gravity warping space, the Big Bang with everything flying apart and somehow magically there are beautiful spiral galaxies forming. In actual fact, they can't explain any of that. They attempt to do so by inventing things that can't be seen and this is a sure sign that the Emperors have no clothes.It is all a much longer story than I can present here, and I refer the reader back to their website
http://www.thunderboltsdvd.com which is a portal to their other sites of "Electric Sky",
Thunderbolts, and links to supporting sites such as
Holoscience,
Electric Cosmos,
The UniversePlasma Cosmology (which shows that instead of asteroids and comets, it is plasma discharges that have scarred the earth. The case of the Grand Canyon is an especially striking example of electrical scarring)
Society for Interdisciplinary Studies -The oldest and most up to date society for catastrophist information and research,
Aeon Journal - AEON is a journal of myth, science, and ancient history specializing in archaeoastronomy and.comparative mythology. The journal explores the evidence for global catastrophes and interplanetary upheaval in the recent past, seeking out the implications for the affected disciplines. Aeon is designed to encourage independent investigation, to speed up the process of communicating findings to others, and to foster a wider debate as to the interpretation of new data.
As I said, it does takes a bit of time to go through the layers of information here and compare them to what is being taught to the general public today. Instead of as science is doing by taking old science to create new myths, they are taking old myths to create new science, and to my satisfaction are clearing up a lot of the mysteries to-date.
30 July 2006
The Madness of Black Holes"We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object, and go mad in its pursuit; that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one new delusion, and run after it, till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the first. Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, whilethey only recover their senses slowly, and one by one." - Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, 1852 I'd like to make a correcton or amendment to a former post on this, after listening to their talk again on CD. The 4 grand archetypes are: Universal Sovereign (Saturn/El); Mother Goddess (Venus in every single culture around the world, this is always universally accepted), Warring or "Conquering" Hero (Mars - the "Red Sphere" born out of Venus in a great cataclysm) and the Chaos Monster which they didn't actually "name during this talk, but beyond that the only universally accepted archetypes have been the "Serpent" or "Dragon" in the Sky
They say at their site:
"There are no 'Black Holes', there is no 'dark matter', comets are not 'dirty snowballs', the sun is not a 'nuclear furnace', and the origins of world mythology are not primitive invention but can be directly linked to deep space exploration and leading-edge experiments in plasma physics. The THUNDERBOLTS theory challenges our fundamental assumptions about the workings of the universe, and then offers an alternative vision. Born of empirical science, this vision is startling in its common sense simplicity, and stunning in its reach and ability to make comprehensible both age-old and modern-day mysteries." QUOTE(greggK)
This universe is unexpainably old and in that time there has been so much change and not one person can tell you what it was like to begin with. We do not have that much time left. How much is not up to us as individuals. In the meantime, learn as much wisdom as you can because it is wisdom that keeps you alive!
That's what they say, too. The universe, it's age and origin and any first cause are still unexplainable and unknown, but the Electric Universe model ultimately points to the beginning of how to
ask the right questions.
These two men were a delight to listen to. They were totally unpretentious, non-argumentative in their interactions with the call-in questions, have no axe to grind, aren't "against" anyone, are not fighting for a position, and don't claim to be something they aren't. One is an Electrical Engineer who taught at the University level for 23 years and says that any junior level student can figure out by themselves that today's astrophysics is incorrect. The other is a physicist. They don't call themselves "Dr." or "Professor", they just go on a first-name basis with the people to whom they interact. It was very refreshing and impressive for a change to listen to them, and that's why I became interested in seeking further to understand them.
They also stated that a great number of Sitchin's followers also become interested in their work, which is the case with me. I have now changed my position a great deal in what I believe about the Zecharia Sitchin theory. It was always universally known that these "sky gods" were the planets, but they became localized and humanized and wars began breaking out over whose god was bigger and stronger and did what, when and where, etc. There is much more documentation from these men about all this. A study of worldwide cultures, texts and hieroglyphs points to the globally-accepted ancient knowledge of the gods being the planets.
Now it all makes so much more sense to me.
. But according to the video, that's because Planet X is getting closer. *dramatic music plays*
I hear ya, the weather up our way has been a little freaky last couple years too animals not being them selves and all! 
It's a giant, invisible, space earwig 
And no-one cam prove otherwise!