I need to know what others think without bias{scientific proof, religion, spiritual...etc, no mainstream party lines}

What do you do when you find yourself looking through anothers eye's, and feeling what they feel, and knowing what they are thinking?

You know it's not you, yet you are there{awareness}

You are still you, not the person you are in.

They do things you yourself would not{different choice's} and you are made to feel and experiance those choice's along with them{not your own}

If there are others who have experianced this, i would like to know what they think without the cloud{distortion} of any beliefs, and faiths they may have in them.

When you meet some one you don't know, and you already know what their thinking, and what their going to say before they do, would also qualify.

I would ask if the other is aware of the intrusion in your first example?

Well... I don't know if this helps.

I have never had such a total immersion into another person's mind/thoughts/personality while awake. With strangers I've gotten glimmers or impressions but I suspect that those could be read through physical signals. The only way I have felt completely in another's shoes is while dreaming. The first few times it was startling then after some time I grew accustomed to it. Those dreams have been interesting experiences for me I thought that it was interesting to see from a different point of view. Thankfully even during the dream experiences I haven't been in anyone's mind that I wouldn't have wished to in my waking life, no murderers or such type. Although I guess even the other points of view weren't wonderful but it had to do more with their situation than anything they were thinking.
In someways it's similar but not exactly the same thing. Yet it is still difficult when getting just 'vibes' off of people when awake. But it can also be a great warning system... gotten me out of more than one pickle.

Warm regards, Mabon.

I can often see through the eyes of my mother, and I cant help but feel saddness and disappointment of certain situations, and family members. I dont like putting myself on anothers shoes, although I think it is imperitive to do so to see things from their perspective.

No, only i am, as me finding myself in that situation would be an intrusion. When it happens, i have no control over it. It happens in more ways then what i posted, but it is the essence of what i'm asking. Sometimes it's with people who are part of groups, who actually can speak to each other without physical words. They are the one's most likely to notice. But it would depend on the way they themselves have discovered what they can do. The average cluge? no.

You mean asleep when you say dreaming? I've experianced what to me, covers the whole realm of human diversity, even those unpopular. Situation, i think, may have something to do with it. When you meet some one you know through that, is either vile, neutral, or thinks they know best for everyone{equaly vile} i find that morals don't come into it, when it happens, i would never reveal some one, even if i was showed were evidence was. Tried that, does'nt work the way it would seem.

But yes, the impressions and vibes are precursers to look deeper if i wanted to{it is when it happens when i'd rather it not}, it's not pretty, and thats from everyone. You were wise to get away from potential problems, i can see their memory's to, as i can see and hear the sounds and pictures, as well as feel emotional and physical content that go with them.

I'm trying to form an independant theory based on perception of similiar experiance's of others, without any of the current belief systems and/or faith in them, some of them carry.That includes scientific or medical facts of the day. Starting clear without those distortions, is what i've posted the topic for.
I've never been able to sleep much, as my mind is always active, yet even asleep, which is black nothing to me, i am still experianceing what i described, and have woken many times with the "dream"{which was blank} plainly playing in sequence, with my thought patterns strange to me.

My grandmother and i, when she was alive, had a shared experiance. When she lay in her deathbed at her home, with the various family and friends dropping in, she told me something i had never spoken to her about, when i had a memory of playing the piano to her, yet i have never learned to play.
She looked up at me, and said, i played the piano very well, and would i play for her now?

It was embarrassing for her, and i. When i could'nt please her by playing. I kissed her forehead and told her i loved her, and i left.

When she said that, i remembered the time it had actually happened, that could never be proved.
It ties in with the topic, because it was a shared experiance of the mind, in that something i had never discussed with her, that had only been in my own mind, or so i thought, had been in my grandmothers as well. I did play beautifly for her. Just not here.

I seem to be the opposite to you guys as I feel as if others are actually looking through my eyes…!

Its been happening for years now and it is so annoying as I now feel like I’m up against a collective who are raping my mind. I can actually feel the difference between these individuals as and when they come to play.

Nine times out of ten they push my thoughts in different directions, most times trying to promote bad feelings through distorting my memories. I’ve had to learn to just accept these malevolent thoughts and let them play out till I can then turn it round and deny them but my ultimate defence is I have taken a leaf out of Solomon’s book and built a temple deep inside my mind where my belief system exists, a kind of impenetrable fortress where I just either retreat to or visit as and when I need to.

Not all of these experiences are bad/negative, some actually are quite entertaining to say the least but on a whole its f*%$ing annoying…!

Ciao……

They are, and it does'nt matter what i, or you, and anyone else may think they can do about it, with the various distortions today clouding that. It happened to me often when i was little, until i took a stand, and destroyed the one who was always there, watching me, and trying to control what i did and thought by magnifying my emotions, and diminishing them through different circumstances. And your right when you said you know the difference, they disguise themselves the way i just described, trying to make you think it's yourself. They are the sick one's, however good they think what they are doing is.

Have you learned to see through the distortions? the images at least, of what was, not what they put there?

As far as the fortress thing, you can't hide yourself from them, you must learn to shield your mind by makeing it blank when you feel such presence's, it leaves them nothing to read. There are some who can "knock" on that blankness, but they certainly won't reveal themselves here, or anywhere public. There was a time when i was near madness myself, because of all the uninvited visitors. I was in the sixth grade when they, a group of them, attacked my mind, they shielded me themselves, and i heard nothing but fuzzy static when i opened my mind to see. It was'nt until five yrs ago that i broke free of that shielding, and began to see and know again outside of what is considered normal, by that time my life was already ruined.{or so i thought}

They actually helped me without realizing it, i can now do the same things without their detection. They are more then annoying.

These guys are relentless, the worst thing is they just feel so inferior, kind of like having a child like intellect over riding mine…

To be honest I have given up trying to deceive the deceivers, I have given up trying to have a life, I use my mind in other ways, ways they couldn’t even begin to envisage. Sometimes I do think they have helped in creating my mind but in other ways why would you destroy a life to this extent, just what do you actually get out of doing something like that….?

It is a quandary I have pondered but the futility of it all is getting to much to try to deal with. I have no life and in that no future, the sense and sensibility is all but gone, he says reaching for the meds…..

Pretty much worn out now, I must of done some pretty bad things in my past to have to suffer like this, I am quite sarcastic and check shirts are like a red rag to me, personal joke……

Shutting down isn’t an option, my mind just doesn’t comply, it just keeps on keeping on if you know what I mean……

Anyhoo, bedibo time for ikle old moi, ciao for now…

Their intellect is far greater then a childs from here. Unless it is a child, or children who can do those thing's, and their around. Met many of those. I don't have to decieve them, i defeated one in combat. Before my memory's and mind were shielded, they said the watcher i had destroyed was a dribbler at a sanitarium, apparentley i had damaged his mind. When i destroyed his energy probe he extended from his mind to watch me. I did something that located him, and i burnt his mind out{don't remember how} As i said in another post in a different topic, no one or thing has the right to change you, let alone control others to such an extent. Privacy violation is a serious offense, one that deserves death to those who would violate it. And that means any individual or group that try's. Whatever they name themselves. Those who think they do things for the greater good are monsters, always have been. They don't care if they destroy you.

You have'nt done anything to deserve it. In the end, they are the cause. They may have made you do things that were'nt good in another life, but don't you ever think it is you that was the cause. Sort of like the groups who control us, they expect you to lie down and take whatever they give you, and when you fight back, they label you as criminal and put you in their prisons{many kinds}. Same thing with a lot of different methods used. Be as sarcastic as you like, you don't have to be nice to the one's that make you suffer, their not worried about it, why should you be? And that includes when they offer a distorted hand up as well. They are enemy's.

It always will, your mind. but you can blank what you think and feel{emotion} leaving them nothing to manipulate you with. Example, here if you don't want to do something, they pressure you with biased opinion, even threaten to take your job, or threaten to hurt those you may love, to get you to do what they want.
And they do it through laws, which they are only concerned with the public appearance of, not the behind the scenes footwork, as some of that disregards the process's we are expected to believe will protect us.{convienance}

I think I understand what your saying I just thought I’d give a different point of view from those I had read….

It’s an issue I hope will work itself out, if not, hell knows…..?

Ciao for now….

The point is that there is a flashpoint that no one can get by, those that oppress, by whatever means, even peaceful faces on it, can go to far in the name of whatever monster or series of them they have created for others. You don't, and never had to put up with it, not in your mind, thats yours, not ever anyone else's.

If your still letting them destroy your life, it won't ever work out for you. As far as the religious terminology goes, were trying to keep bias out of the thread topic.

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When it happens to me, i don't want to see, it's horrable knowing the things another has experianced, and will always keep inside{as they should} I tried to reject what i see, and live blind, i can't. So i keep their secrets, and live, and let live.

The one's i spoke about do it delibrately, they can even push you into doing things you would'nt normally do.

I have'nt decided that they can do it to me, they could. Then. No, it does'nt present a moral conflict, they use it for purposes of control, i don't. Any that would voilate anothers mind, and change or make them do what they themselves wish, are already insane, all thats left is their location and the dieing of them. Only problem is that most of them that voilate others so, are already in a position of control in the world.

Thats why i showed the example, their attitudes reflect what they do and how, what we call our live's.

If they wanted to talk to you, they could, that they don't, reflects their controlling natures. In short, they are beasts, and must be destroyed, even if only through what has been discussed.{my burning the intruders mind up} Most of what i feel is little kids drifting around in their sleep, wondering why their looking through my eye's, those i tell to go to sleep and wake in the morning{they usaully don't remember} You can tell the difference, as JC2 said.

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I don't enter their mind, i see what their broadcasting from their mind{normally}. The times i found myself actually looking through their eye's and knowing what they know, and where they are, where times that it was being directed beyond my own control. I don't do it myself, that was the other point in my response's to JC2.

And like my response to the little one's, what i do merits what they have done themselves, most of the kids don't know whats going on, they are innocent{especialy the babies}, the one's who know and do it anyway, are not.

The times it happens to me, the other person never knows, as all i do is look and see and know. I don't try to make them think or do things. Shadow lady's little boy had a friend, another little boy, really blonde hair. He called him an angel, the other one he saw was a beautiful mom type female, i was the little boy he thought was an angel, the old crow{decay persona} i saw was what was really there in place of the beautiful mom type he saw as the other angel, at least it's what i myself remember of it.

Anyway, depending on what layer they are caught in, depends on what they can do and how. They have used me to train other boys, the one's that do it to me, it could be a 10yr training session that lasts 1sec of what you call real time here. The memorys of the training and interpersonal relationships built from that training are suppressed for when they will be needed.{that time is closer}
As i said in that post, i was only put in those with ability's{things they have always had, not gifts}, like the one i'm in now, i've been with him off and on since he was little, fighting off the scum that have destroyed him. Helping him to restore himself as best he can.

I'm thinking your post is headed to, why do you think you have the right to do that, it is because it's my mind, no one is allowed to pock with it. I will do what i must to maintain the personal privacy of my mind, and anyway, i was six when i burnt out his mind, i did'nt kill him, i remember at the time thinking i could, and then i thought how they make a whole world suffer, and i made him suffer. As i said, they don't care about the morals you speak of, as that would reguire giving up what they have been doing, they will never do it, so it is up to those individuals who can to take them out when they can.

The reality's of what i speak of exist, as this world exists to you.

If you seriously are in you're on little world as you seem to be speaking of Caana, then you need to get some help as soon as possible.

I really have tried in the past to understand what you are talking about in you're posts but I have given up.
Because in every topic you are in you keep bringing this same nonsense in thier about parasites, different realities, Etc.
I feel you really do need some psychological help.

Do not come back at me with this OOH, thats how you percieve it in the reality you are in, beacause that reality is not the real one... and you need to open your minds eye to understand other realities Blah Blah Blah Etc. It's BS.


Do me a favor find me some truth and evidence for this stuff you keep going on about then come back in here and see if you can convince some of us!

I'm not writing to convince you. If you don't know, you never will. The truth and evidence your talking about, is already known to some who write here. It's not for you, it's for us.

Psycological help is useless, they don't know anything about it, only drugs that will cripple your link to your mind. If you believe in that, then by all means, go to them yourself. Thank you for asking though, i'm o.k.

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NO Caana, You do not understand and it is apparent that you never will!
I am ok!
You are the one talking about all this nonsense that should be told to a psychotherapist.

I am getting a good laugh on how you are trying to turn things around making it seem as i am the one that needs help!

I'm beggining to wonder if you are just striving for attention!?

I really do not believe much of what is being said by Caana!
I do feel that he believes deeply that something is going on, but this is just where he needs help.

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I will never feel remorse for getting rid of an animal who controls other people's minds. My hair is the color of dawn, not platinum.
And i am wholey human, not some alien thing that wears the face's of humans.

Though it was a good story as far as how one would use them. One point in that movie was the way the goverment tried to control it, why do you think i and many others, would die before they really knew what we could do? I would denounce what i write, and show a dumb face, and let myself be known as a fool, before i would show them anything, they are monsters.

They think they have all the bases covered, they don't. Something we have all learned from our goverment, and the religious history, is how to use deception. We use it everyday, and never think about it. When i can start showing visuals from what i'm seeing within my mind, then you can say i have ability, as it is, i'm just a cluge.

No, not attention, just lonely, and want to talk about what i experiance and understand.

Something is going on, and their is no help. Just more deception.

It's not like that for me, not yet, just people and the pinflash things, along with the immersion experiance's. And the things i see.

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I remember playing with people like that{telling them what was around them, over the phone, or on the net, or in their minds} I got slapped down for it{enjoyed it to much} but those who slapped me down are gone now, along with a horrable time for everyone here. It might be dangerous still{the future} but if we go down, we'll go down in peace.

But thats only after what rules the world is wiped away, until then, people will die.

But thanks for the humour, i needed it.

I sometimes dream I'm inside other people.. I'm not sure if its the same thing you's are talking about though. But I've had a few dreams now which I can tell are completely not me and its like I'm just going along with the ride with the host. They almost feel like I'm remote viewing or something. I'm not sure why it happens but usually it happens when someone dies(either others or the host). I know most would just call it a fluke, and they could be, but they are very good timing flukes. I cant really be bothered typing out the dreams again in detail but basically I seem to dream of a death or event and then either the next day or next few days the event kinda pops up in the news..

Like I dreamt I was in America once.. almost semi lucid because I knew where I was(san fransico I think/it was like a holiday for me) and I got in a fight with this guy on the street which was out the front of this party.. Anyway then in the dream I found myself walking around the house shooting things in a rage with this weird little shotgun which was like connected to my wrist. I remember seeing someone taking cover as I shot the table which all splintered. Anyway the next day I saw on the news that there had been a big shooting in America in the city with same kinda houses as my dream.. but the trippy part was was that the guy had apparently been in a fight with another guy on the street(out the front of this party)and then he later went back with a little shotgun which was connected(like strapped) to his wrist. I think he killed about 8 people or something.. like he just killed everyone inside the party house later and then himself. Anyway that one was a few years ago now but I wont forget it because it was a vivid dream and it was trippy timing.

I also dreamt not that long ago that I was another person and I was driving(more like watching myself drive from inside him).. and I was amazed that I knew where to drive because it was like I knew the roads but didnt. Anyway I remember feeling not very good during the dream and I had to get to this place quickly and I was in a real hurry and kinda panicked. I was driving an older(90's)white car like a falcon station wagon(I was Australian over East)and I was in such a hurry. Anyway I pulled up at this place that I had to get to which was an ice making factory in like an industrial zone. I parked the car out the front and walked in and felt happy I was there and I dont remember alot more of the dream. Anyway the very next day I read on the news that this guy who was 44 in melbourne I think killed his wife or something and then drove to his brothers business(which he worked at)which was a ice making factory, which is where he ended up killing himself. So to me that was pretty trippy because I never ever dream of driving to ice factories in the middle of industrial zones.. and I read the next day that that was where this guy killed himself after he drove there after killing someone else in another place.

I also kinda did it just the other day which I know no-one would believe so i'll keep it short.. I dreamt I was in a fishing port and basically after struggleing with this guy who I thought looked like an indian fisherman(who attacked us) ,I snapped his neck to stop him when I realised I and others were in danger, and then I felt sorry for him and I held him up to look at him. It was pretty horrible. Anyway a few days later I read that a 70 yr American guy snapped some 21yr guys neck when they had stopped over in a fishing port in Costa Rica becasue they got mugged. After he snapped his neck they took him to the police station. Which I thought was trippy timing too because I dont often dream about snapping young fishermans necks who look kinda indian.

So yeah sometimes it seems like I'm dreaming of seeing through others eyes etc but I guess they could just be nice coincedences.

I guess you're right Moro. Even if Caana's abilities could be true, he doesn't believe the things he's talking about. When I proposed a test of his abilities, his response implied that he was only joking.

But delusional people mostly believe in what they're saying. So why is Caana making fantastic claims? His narratives contain story elements of tin-foil hat paranoia. I wonder if he's trying to attract others who really believe it's been happening to them. As a trap?

Kazahel, Have you read my post when i wrote about your awareness being in several people at once, generally in the same time period? But it sounds like it's progressive for you, linier. I've seen much of that type of thing as well, along with the rest, it was mostly myself becoming aware of what the've done, and i flipping out, and destroying those who would destroy me.

Have you ever had a day when your just hanging out, not doing much, and something like what you describe happens, except you think your the person? most of what i see is while i'm awake by the way.

About 4yrs ago, i was just hanging out doing nothing, and i started to have a real strong memory viewing{or so i thought}, the town i live in has about 20,000 yr round residents. It was when i was really doubting the things and experiance's i was seeing and remembering. Something made me feel as if i needed a walk, so i went outside{i live on a main street of the town} It was quite and still, all the people and traffic normally out were'nt there. The town was empty.

I started walking and shouting to see if there were others around, nobody answered. I grew tired and sat at a park bench in front of my towns second main st. stores. A handsome woman just appeared sitting next to me. When i looked at her, all these memories started to cascade through my mind, not one of them good, as they all seemed to be of me in intolarable situations.

I started to cackle like a demented man, and turned back to her and said; Why do you bother me, i told you no, and you make me rot here{it was my real self speaking to it} We just wanted to talk, it said. I cackled some more and spat on the ground, no, you things never just want to talk, all you do is tell. So i'm going to tell you this, for all you have done, this obsenity{waving around at the town, meaning world} for all you have made me experiance, i will destroy this illusion, as you have destroyed all i know and love.

It stood up, and started pacing with a look of irritation on it's face. You know none of this is real, that it's not changeing or hurting you{the real me} for all the suffering you think you've been through. We came because you are doubting the things you have been seeing, because of robert, because we make you think you are him. We have delibrately made him fail, so you can reach another level of understanding. Robert has been through all the factions in this scenario{and me} he has succeeded in many of them{because of you} we wanted you to experiance failure and horror through him, yet you were continueing to disregard our wish's, and finding loopholes for rob to succeed. No longer, you will repeat his life failing, until you understand that it means nothing to you.

Then why did you make me love his family, those now, and before, and who come after. Because unlike us, you are human{just not this kind} and you need to feel, and have sex, and love. However much we have diminished those things here{boy they have}

That just brings us back to what i always told you things, no.

That is an arguement we have had more times then we are allowing you to remember. We really are not hurting you, and when you are like this, it's impossable to talk to you Caana. Then just pocking go, and leave me in this scenario with the cluges you have made so poorly. Were that it was so easy Caana, We want peace between us, like before. You shielded my memories and made me think you are friends, that was the only way you had your peace, that is over now, especially with your betrayels of me.

You are being made to think that for a reason, you do know why, we just don't want you to remember right now. We will speak again. She/it disappeared, when she disappeared, the traffic and people of my town reappeared, as if nothing had ever accurred, except i was still sitting on the park bench, with no idea{at the time, ha}of how i had gotten there, i thought i was still hanging in my apartment. Strange yes?

What you proposed for a test i cannot do, i was'nt joking. When i wrote of the times that i could do that{and i did} i mentioned i was punished? they make you feel as if your whole body is on fire. Even if i could break the bounds keeping me from it, i not anxious to experiance being burned again, they took away my ability to not feel pain. I was at a point where i accepted the pain, and turned it into pleasure. They did'nt like that.

Thanks for the input guy's. This threads done.

Indeed and it sounds pretty full on. I'm not sure what else I can add hey. Reminds me alittle of Brugmansia.

Yes indeed Caana, you sure do know how to put many words out their that mean something I assume!
Even though I have yet to figure out much of anything of what you are posting yet does not mean that i'm lost.

It's simply the fact that I haven't broken you're code style of posting.

Anyway, In all do respect I do enjoy reading most of you're posts.



~Moro

Being human, all my perceptive experiances involve meladrama. But thank you for liking it.

In your dreams, you seem to be witnessing murders. There's a Dean Koontz novel, I've forgotten its title, a character became a 'witness' to murders just as you described. Only the murderer became aware of the witness and began tracking him down. The clairvoyant (I think that's what he was), became aware that the murderer was aware of his presence. I can't remember what happened but I think the good guy won. Have your read any Koontz novels?

Also, the topic of this thread. Reminds me a little of a film, again the name I cannot remember but I'm sure an actors real/stage name is the in the title of the film and it was discovered that if someone went through a 'tunnel' in a half-floor of a building they would end up looking through this actors eyes. Someone decided to make money out of it and eventually the actor became aware he had an 'internal audience'. Funny stuff.

Remembered the name of the film!

It's 'Being John Malkovich'

Yeah sometimes it sure seems like I'm witnessing certain events.. or going along with the ride, but I'm not sure because you can never really prove it. They have all been different too.. like with different emotions in them. Like the one where I was driving to the ice factory was kinda frantic and then I was relieved when I had parked the car to walk inside, so it was a great relief after stressing while driving(but my other half was just watching while driving in amazement). So it really did feel like I was in another person with their emotions.

With the fisherman dream, that one was more from fear of being killed which then made me kill quickly back but it was done in a way which was meant to show the others(who were struggling with him) that I still 'had it', so to speak. So it was like a show off kill but it was justified because it was him or us. That one was more like I just dropped in for that action and then after that I felt very sorry for the man and I held him up and stared at him in sorrow for his death. So the emotions were fear with a quick action which made me just feel sorry for him. Thats why I thought it was trippy with the age of the actual person in real life who killed him(70 or 80yr or whatever).. its like what I did in my dream was kinda how I guess an older person(ex marine) might react. But I was mainly there just for the actual kill.. like thats where I came in after watching briefly.

And the America dream was different again... that one was a holiday and I was semi lucid (briefly) when I flew over. With that one though it was funny because to be honest I was kinda fighting with people online at the time and I was getting rather.. angry... so I was really wanting to.. vent.. and I went to bed rather annoyed wishing I could. Anyway I landed at night out the front of a party and it went from there.. because I knew I was in America. It was a dream where I was super angry and I was basically in a rage and I couldnt control it or stop it and it was like I was spining out over how angry I was while just going along with it all. It was weird and the main emotion was just a massive rage. Like twice rage. Which was a rare feeling for me.

edit * It was the one in Seattle(not san fancisco).

Anyway.. I havent read that book and to be honest I dont read alot, or watch movies that much but the movie kinda sounds familiar.

i believe what you say. you say it with too much convitvtion. we exist in a unimainably large universe with many differentdimensions co existing. so complex and so unreal to the human mind. although i have never experienced what you have, i understand what you would be feeling..i think. but it is my belief that before we come to earth, we choose experiences and circumstances in our life to learn some lesson or ain some experience.
from your account, she doesn't seem bad, but i dont know the entire story. have you asked her what their major purpose is? hwat they plan to do?

'you know none of this is real, that it's not changeing or hurting you{the real me} for all the suffering you think you've been through. We came because you are doubting the things you have been seeing, because of robert, because we make you think you are him. We have delibrately made him fail, so you can reach another level of understanding. Robert has been through all the factions in this scenario{and me} he has succeeded in many of them{because of you} we wanted you to experiance failure and horror through him, yet you were continueing to disregard our wish's, and finding loopholes for rob to succeed. No longer, you will repeat his life failing, until you understand that it means nothing to you.'


it is my belief that we are more than our physical bodies. maybe this lady is trying to make you understand that. It has become my goal not to take htis life to seriously. although what is happening here is real, it is not the end all. you live, experience, grow in awareness and die, only to be reborn (on this dimension or another) into another experience.

i find this all intruiging. i wish i knew more, but if i did, i thinki would be afraid. lol

With the belief systems in place, you have every right to fear. There is way more to it, that was an experiance i had when my understanding was still at the level beyond rage, the one where i lashed out when i could, to destroy what is here, even here itself, in other scenario versions you call real here.

The fight is for self. My real self, not what they make it perceived to be through these little sceanrio's. I was alway's impressed by the beauty of manificent vista's. Now, wherever i may go within it, i may as well be in my quarters, for all the thrill it may give me now.

There is no time or motion in your mind.

Thanks for responding

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