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ahhhhhh!!!! I misspelled explanations. AHHHHHH!!!!!!!! I SUCK, I CAN'T GET ANYTHING RIGHT!!!!! AHHHHH!!!!!!! 
If you want you guys can look up the Butterfly Effect, the Lorenz Attractor, and the Koch curve for references to Chaos Theory.
Nameless,
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Magikman
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cOOL THANKS DUDE. But You have to understand Im going to make mistakes some of the time, Im new here.
But You have to understand Im going to make mistakes some of the time, Im new here.
okay i had to read up on this chaos theory...
so, this Edward Lorenz ran some #'s and got 2 different answers. once there were 6 decimal places, and next with 3... and he is suprised he got different answers???
so, this Edward Lorenz ran some #'s and got 2 different answers. once there were 6 decimal places, and next with 3... and he is suprised he got different answers???
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| Just a small change in the initial conditions can drastically change the long-term behavior of a system. |
yea, no sh*t
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| Lorenz stated that it is impossible to predict the weather accurately |
again, i figured this was a no brainer
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| In practice, it is impossible to control exactly how fast the coin flips and how high it flips. It is possible to put the variables into a certain range, but it is impossible to control it enough to know the final results of the coin toss. |
again, of course... there are so many little factors that would take place that you could never calculate!!!
then this article goes to state even more obvious statements...
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| The human heart also has a chaotic pattern. The time between beats does not remain constant; it depends on how much activity a person is doing, among other things. Under certain conditions, the heartbeat can speed up. |
like, dah...
either i'm completely missing the point, or this whole theory is pointless
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Chaos - is by definition - unexplainable, hence the name. And Chaos Theories are simply mathematicians wasting time, when they have nothing else - or better - to do! The whole point is the fact it’s called Theory, if it was provable, or even remotely sensible, it would be called Chaos fact!
I think the obvious one to go for is the butterfly beating its wings/storm theory… hello, what do they take us all for, brainless crustaceans?
I have a Chaos Theory. If I pull my toilet flush I wipe out 5 known species in the Amazon Jungle, because of the movement of the flush handle, reputably causes insurmountable amounts of pressure in the upper atmosphere (caused by the sudden disappearance of the air, due to the flushing movement). This in turn causing huge thunderheads to crash into each other over the Amazon, creating a mighty lightning storm that destroys a 14 mile stretch of a once green jungle, also taking with it the said 5 species!
I am in the process of getting a huge silly sized grand to substantiate this theory, so that I can go down in the science and mathematical journals, as another fool who had nothing better to do!
I think the obvious one to go for is the butterfly beating its wings/storm theory… hello, what do they take us all for, brainless crustaceans?
I have a Chaos Theory. If I pull my toilet flush I wipe out 5 known species in the Amazon Jungle, because of the movement of the flush handle, reputably causes insurmountable amounts of pressure in the upper atmosphere (caused by the sudden disappearance of the air, due to the flushing movement). This in turn causing huge thunderheads to crash into each other over the Amazon, creating a mighty lightning storm that destroys a 14 mile stretch of a once green jungle, also taking with it the said 5 species!
I am in the process of getting a huge silly sized grand to substantiate this theory, so that I can go down in the science and mathematical journals, as another fool who had nothing better to do!
hehe, Nethius, you got it, you're almost right. Except for this:
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| there are so many little factors that would take place that you could never calculate!!! |
The truth is, even with all those little factors accounted for, you still cannot predict the outcome. Everything goes back to the Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. However, we can predict the probability of certain outcome occuring, and it is what the scientists are doing. It is not completely pointless.
Before the introduction of matter wave theory, we always think that if we know the initial condition of all particles in the universe (mass, velocity, acceleration, etc), we should be able to come up with an exact prediction of future events. It turns out that this is not the case. The universe is governed by the probability laws, where we will never know what is going to happen.
This is pretty much render any form of fortune telling not reliable, as physics show that it is impossible. Also it leads to the collapse of the predestination theory from the world of philosophy.
There may be a pattern emerging here, does anyone believe in chaos theory who doesnt believe in God? Just curious... 
Good question Mowo , it does appear that the Chaos theory can be adopted more easilly by people who have no or little belief in a God . However I think it can also be incorperated into a belief in God ,. The Joker God has something to do with it all . The Idea that god is not all loving but is merely using us like some board game to keep him self amused .
Personally I think it's tosh , I believe way to much in Karma and Kismet for there not to be a reall perpose to everything ..
Personally I think it's tosh , I believe way to much in Karma and Kismet for there not to be a reall perpose to everything ..
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| There may be a pattern emerging here, does anyone believe in chaos theory who doesnt believe in God? Just curious... |
Well, there is no christian scientist here, although I know a lot of scientists and a lot of christians
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