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coughymachine
It doesn't take a genius to work out how the pro and anti-conspiracy camps are going to interpret this one.

I'll set the ball rolling: compartmentalisation. If 9/11 was a US-backed false flag operation, it's entirely possible that KSM played a role without knowing it. In fact, compartmentalisation explains how so many people, both US and non-US, could have been 'involved' in 9/11 without realising it.

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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed confesses 9/11 role
POSTED: 8:28 p.m. EDT, March 14, 2007

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks on the United States, has admitted responsibility for those and other major al Qaeda operations, according to the transcript of a hearing at Guantanamo Bay released on Wednesday.

"I was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z," Mohammed, speaking through a personal representative, said, according to the transcript of the hearing on Saturday at the U.S. military prison camp in Cuba released by the Pentagon.

Mohammed, a Pakistani national, also said he was responsible for a 1993 attack on New York's World Trade Center, the bombing of a nightclub in Bali, Indonesia, and an attempt to down two American airplanes using shoe bombs.

"I was the operational director for Sheikh Usama [Osama] Bin Laden for the organizing, planning, follow-up, and execution of the 9/11 operation," he said through his representative, a member of the U.S. military.

The transcript said Mohammed was present at the hearing, which is to determine whether he meets the definition of an "enemy combatant."

Mohammed is among 14 prisoners identified by U.S. authorities as "high-value" terrorism suspects and transferred to Guantanamo last year from secret CIA prisons abroad.

He was arrested in Pakistan in March 2003 and handed over to the United States.
Unlimited
I wonder how long they tortured him til he confessed?.....sure makes it neat for bush and his cronies....I bet this guy would have confessed to the hoffa murder as well....
recon_soldier
Its amazing what torture can do.. Fessing up for the bali bombings, thats just classic.. This is just a way of Pushing people on the Fence back to the 'Official Story'.

Atleast it wont push those that have already made it over that fence back. Unless your a complete fool, Naturally.
jimmyphelps
Do any of you really believe that that ***SNIP***

was responsible for all of those things he claims including 9-11 a-z to quote him

he cant even keep his self in order let alone mastermind ALL of the attacks he claims

he claims basically everything in the last 10 yrs was him all him

sorry I cannot give the man this much credit i dont buy it

torture has been good to the current Admin
coughymachine
I'll be very interested to see what happens to ol' KSM. Will he cut a deal and escape the death penalty? Will he reveal some startling new evidence showing that Iran is harbouring international terrorists...
coughymachine
Just by way of fleshing out my 'compartmentalisation' theory, here is an article describing how the former President of Indonesia believes the country's own authorities were, in part, responsbile for the Bali bombings, which KSM has also 'confessed' to having had a role in.

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Possible police role in 2002 Bali attack
October 12, 2005 - 10:44PM

Indonesian police or military officers may have played a role in the 2002 Bali bombing, the country's former president, Abdurrahman Wahid says.

In an interview with SBS's Dateline program, on the third anniversary of the bombing that killed 202 people, Mr Wahid says he has grave concerns about links between Indonesian authorities and terrorist groups.

While he believed terrorists were involved in planting one of the Kuta night club bombs, the second, which destroyed Bali's Sari Club, had been organised by authorities.

Asked who he thought planted the second bomb, Mr Wahid said: "Maybe the police ... or the armed forces."

"The orders to do this or that came from within our armed forces not from the fundamentalist people," he says.

The program also claims a key figure behind the formation of terror group Jemaah Islamiah was an Indonesian spy.

Former terrorist Umar Abduh, who is now a researcher and writer, told Dateline Indonesian authorities had a hand in many terror groups.

"There is not a single Islamic group either in the movement or the political groups that is not controlled by (Indonesian) intelligence," he said.

Abduh has written a book on Teungku Fauzi Hasbi, a key figure in Jemaah Islamiah (JI) who had close contact with JI operations chief Hambali and lived next door to Muslim cleric Abu Bakar Bashir.

He says Hasbi was a secret agent for Indonesia's military intelligence while at the same time a key player in creating JI.

Documents cited by SBS showed the Indonesian chief of military intelligence in 1990 authorised Hasbi to undertake a "special job".

A 1995 internal memo from the military intelligence headquarters in Jakarta included a request to use "Brother Fauzi Hasbi" to spy on Acehnese separatists in Indonesia, Malaysia and Sweden.

And a 2002 document assigned Hasbi the job of special agent for BIN, the Indonesian national intelligence agency.

Security analyst John Mempi told SBS that Hasbi, who was also known as Abu Jihad, had played a key role in JI in its early years.

"The first Jemaah Islamiah congress in Bogor was facilitated by Abu Jihad, after Abu Bakar Bashir returned from Malaysia," Mr Mempi said.

"We can see that Abu Jihad played an important role. He was later found to be an intelligence agent. So an intelligence agent has been facilitating the radical Islamic movement."

Hasbi was disembowelled in a mysterious murder in 2003 after he was exposed as a military agent and his son Lamkaruna Putra died in a plane crash last month.

Another convicted terrorist, Timsar Zubil, who set off three bombs in Sumatra in 1978, told the program intelligence agents had given his group a provocative name - Komando Jihad - and encouraged members to commit illegal acts.

"We may have deliberately been allowed to grow," he said.

Abduh also told the program his terrorist organisation, the Imron Movement, was incited to a range of violent action in the 1980s when the Indonesian military told the group that the assassination of several Muslim clerics was imminent.

Another terrorism expert, George Aditjondro, said a bombing in May this year that killed 23 people in the Christian village of Tentena, in central Sulawesi, had been organised by senior military and police officers.

"This is a strategy of depopulating an area and when an area has been depopulated - both becoming refugees or becoming paramilitary fighters - then that is the time when they can invest their money in major resource exploitation there," he said.
Teslasparkgap
He can go now and join the other dead hijacker that are still live:

http://www.welfarestate.com/911/

Check in but don't check out, but no check in verifiable:
http://www.rense.com/general15/perplexingpuzzle.htm


Did the flights exist at all:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html


Further more the so called passengers dead or alive seem untraceable, according to these web pages.

So this GERARD HOLMGREN should get a prize right.
Wikipedia caught in a Sept. 11 lie:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/wikipedia.html

Unlimited
QUOTE(coughymachine @ Mar 15 2007, 04:45 PM) [snapback]1583834[/snapback]
Just by way of fleshing out my 'compartmentalisation' theory, here is an article describing how the former President of Indonesia believes the country's own authorities were, in part, responsbile for the Bali bombings, which KSM has also 'confessed' to having had a role in.


he basically says he did everything ....I think it's a ruse to come up with some good news out of the pentagon....
coughymachine
QUOTE(limited @ Mar 15 2007, 08:04 PM) [snapback]1584038[/snapback]
he basically says he did everything ....I think it's a ruse to come up with some good news out of the pentagon....

I agree that was how this news was intended to be received but I believe it could be a miscalculation. In their enthusiasm to quell the public's increasing scepticism of 9/11, they have revealed the details of this guys CV. If KSM was responsible for the Bali attack, and yet the Bali attack was was a government sponsored job, then clearly KSM is not an independent international terrorist, but a hired gun. I suspect the same is true of 9/11. He may not even have known who his paymasters were - bin Laden was probably the intermediary - but KSM could well have been 'hired' to plan and execute 9/11. The secrecy surrounding this guy's trial will keep the details from us, but I think this is one of the key elements of the 9/11 plot.
Episteme
I find this questionable as well.

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"I was the operational director for Sheikh Usama [Osama] Bin Laden for the organizing, planning, follow-up, and execution of the 9/11 operation," he said through his representative, a member of the U.S. military.

If he was Bin Laden's "operational director", one would think he would be more important to him and would still be in hiding with Osama. Yet he was caught and Osama is still running around while his most prized wing men are floating about getting themselves busted? One would think Osama would shoot the man himself before he allowed him to be caught.

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"I was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z," Mohammed, speaking through a personal representative, said, according to the transcript of the hearing on Saturday at the U.S. military prison camp in Cuba released by the Pentagon.

The President is responsible for the war in Iraq, being in control of our armed forces. Would, then, Dick Cheney say he was "responsible for the war in Iraq from A to Z". Would a Congressman or General? (If they were tortured?)

Why say "A to Z" when your native tongue isn't even English? He said this through a personal representative, would this be a translator? Script, anyone? unsure.gif

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Mohammed, a Pakistani national, also said he was responsible for a 1993 attack on New York's World Trade Center, the bombing of a nightclub in Bali, Indonesia, and an attempt to down two American airplanes using shoe bombs.

They could have added a few more to impress the more gullible, at least add Oklahoma City to the list... Oh wait, that was only two guys. innocent.gif

Please excuse my sarcasm, our propoganda is reaching new heights. I could be way off, but this article is everywhere and it tells us nothing of proof or evidence. A confession from a man who has previously claimed to be tortured is IMO not a reliable confession by any stretch of the imagination. If only Americans would start demanding evidence instead of eagerly beliving such tripe.
Redtail
Funny how Silverstien can "admit" that he "pulled" it and it is seen as true.

Cheney can "admit" 93 was shot down and it is seen as true.

But this must be fake. Ah well.
EmpressStarXVII
I wonder how long he lasted under water boarding before they forced a confession out of him.
el midgetron
So what do you guys think they will do with him? I don't see them locking one of their assest up for life. Do you think they will fake his execution? Or just put this horse out to pasture for real since he has severed his purpose? At this point he is worth far more as a "vicotry" than an assest to is masters. I also wonder if KSM is confessing to some things he had no part in to create a legacy for himself, not just to avoid the thumb-screws.
EmpressStarXVII
I dont think he'll be executed.
acidhead43
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Mar 15 2007, 07:07 PM) [snapback]1584490[/snapback]
I dont think he'll be executed.


Of course he'll be executed.. all Patsy's never survive the aftermath.
Redtail
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Mar 16 2007, 01:50 AM) [snapback]1584461[/snapback]
I wonder how long he lasted under water boarding before they forced a confession out of him.


I wonder how long he was bragging about it before they caught him.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st...,906911,00.html

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/0...laim/index.html
Episteme
QUOTE(Redtail @ Mar 16 2007, 01:25 AM) [snapback]1584697[/snapback]


Ahhhhh! So he essentially confessed back in 2003 and they got him to re-confess. blink.gif

My government confuses me.
An Urban Legend
*Interrogation Transcript*

Interrogator: (a punch across the face), (splashes ice cold water into face) So are you ready to confess?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: .............. sleep.gif

Interrogator: Fine. (shuts all the lights off, leaving Khalid naked within his cold cell), (returns 2 hours later, throws ice cold water onto Khalid)
Wake up! We have something special in store for you! devil.gif 3 guys walk into the area. (They proceed to beat the hell out of Khalid!)

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: (black eyes....., cut lips) When will this end!? Kill me now Im not confessing! cat.gif

Interrogator: Kill you now? Oh no, you'd love that, this will continute until you tell us what we want to hear; although I must admit, it's a good day for the crows. yes.gif

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: ppppfffffffff......... dontgetit.gif


4 hours later..........

Interrogator: Khalid, whheeww I must admit, your lasting longer than any other terrorist ever has under my torture; whats your secret? rolleyes.gif

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Allah. hmm.gif

Interrogator: Ahaha! Oh yea? Good. Well, for what we're going to do to you next you'll need him! laugh.gif

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: unsure.gif

Interrogator: Let me give you a 101 course in water boarding. hehe Oh you'll confess........

Khalid Sheikh Mohammad: Is that like what you Americans call surfing?? blink.gif

Interrogator: (Begins the water boarding torture!!)

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Aaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!! $%#%#@% @#$@#$ Aaaaaaaaaah! (coughs, chokes) aaaaaah! OK OK!! OK! I'll confess!!! wacko.gif crying.gif

Interrogator: Aaaah, I knew you would see it my way hehe! No wait, how about a little more!? w00t.gif

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: No! No! I confess! I'll talk. Let me begin. I am the one responsible for every aspect of 9/11, from A-Z!! I planned it all!! Wait there's more! I am also behind every terrorist attack that happened in the last 10-20 years!! I did it all!! Hell, I may not have been there but I even planned the Kennedy assasination!! Yeah, yea! That too! And, there was an unsolved mystery in the O.J. Simpson trial, about who killed Ron and Nicole, guess what.........I DID IT!

Interrogator: Good! That's exactly what I wanted to hear, maybe now this will shut up all these damn people with 9/11 truth questions! And it may even stop the media from bugging the president about the uses of torture and was our Iraq war justified. Whew, didnt want to use that technique but I was just doing my job. whistling2.gif Khalid old buddy you've done well, now that the tortures out of the way, you want some coffee before the annoucement of your execution?

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: (BLACKS OUT) :-X

EmpressStarXVII
I dont know whether to laugh or shake my head that you took the time out to write that 2 am in the morning tongue.gif
Unlimited
QUOTE(acidhead43 @ Mar 16 2007, 03:57 AM) [snapback]1584622[/snapback]
Of course he'll be executed.. all Patsy's never survive the aftermath.


I didnt think they would execute the fake saddam either....but they did
TK0001
Quick question guys:

In your opinions, who are the good guys - confessed mass murdering terrorists or our government?

Reading this thread, the answer seems obvious.
Hungrii Flea-Bagius
what a Ridiculous question
it dosent surprise me that nobody answered it!!!
An Urban Legend
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Mar 16 2007, 05:54 AM) [snapback]1585049[/snapback]
Quick question guys:

In your opinions, who are the good guys - confessed mass murdering terrorists or our government?

Reading this thread, the answer seems obvious.
Quick counter:

In your opinion, who can be the good guys in a situation where the government commits terrorist attacks as a pretext for war then blames it on they're Cia assets then sell the story to the public as if its the Gospel Truth? hmm.gif

Reading your post, the answer is obvious.

TK0001
QUOTE(An Urban Legend @ Mar 16 2007, 11:31 AM) [snapback]1585137[/snapback]
Quick counter:

In your opinion, who can be the good guys in a situation where the government commits terrorist attacks as a pretext for war then blames it on they're Cia assets then sell the story to the public as if its the Gospel Truth? hmm.gif

Reading your post, the answer is obvious.


Was there an answer to my question somewhere in there?
TK0001
QUOTE(Hungrii Flea-Bagius @ Mar 16 2007, 11:28 AM) [snapback]1585134[/snapback]
what a Ridiculous question
it dosent surprise me that nobody answered it!!!


Your answer please?
An Urban Legend
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Mar 16 2007, 08:30 AM) [snapback]1585190[/snapback]
Was there an answer to my question somewhere in there?
Your answer is merely within the way you phrased the question.....
TK0001
QUOTE(An Urban Legend @ Mar 16 2007, 01:34 PM) [snapback]1585297[/snapback]
Your answer is merely within the way you phrased the question.....


Huh?

Instead of doing another symantics dance here, let me just cut it off at the pass. My reason for bringing up the question is the fact that nearly everyone in this thread appears to be painting Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as a victim of abuse and torture at the hands of our government with absolutely no proof whatsoever and ignoring the actual testimony in which he's admitted to masterminding plans to exectute thousands of people. He's also admitted to being the man who beheaded Daniel Pearl. And people here seem to be portraying him as the good guy and our government as the bad guys.

This disturbs me greatly.
An Urban Legend
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Huh?

Instead of doing another symantics dance here, let me just cut it off at the pass. My reason for bringing up the question is the fact that nearly everyone in this thread appears to be painting Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as a victim of abuse and torture at the hands of our government
Um excuse me Tk, but maybe you didnt catch the fact that HE WAS TORTURED BY OUR GOVERNMENT!! AT THE HANDS OF THE CIA!!!

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Instead of doing another symantics dance here, let me just cut it off at the pass. My reason for bringing up the question is the fact that nearly everyone in this thread appears to be painting Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as a victim of abuse and torture at the hands of our government with absolutely no proof whatsoever and ignoring the actual testimony in which he's admitted to masterminding plans to exectute thousands of people. He's also admitted to being the man who beheaded Daniel Pearl. And people here seem to be portraying him as the good guy and our government as the bad guys.

This disturbs me greatly.
You fail to remember we believe with evidence, that our government planned 9/11 as a pretext for war. Its not that he didnt take part in 9/11 in some way, but why do you think people keep calling him the pasty??????The fall guy........ect ect......the Scooter Libby!!
TK0001
QUOTE(An Urban Legend @ Mar 16 2007, 01:55 PM) [snapback]1585326[/snapback]
Um excuse me Tk, but maybe you didnt catch the fact that HE WAS TORTURED BY OUR GOVERNMENT!! AT THE HANDS OF THE CIA!!!


I guess I didn't catch this fact. Where was it mentioned?

QUOTE(An Urban Legend @ Mar 16 2007, 01:55 PM) [snapback]1585326[/snapback]
You fail to remember we believe with evidence, that our government planned 9/11 as a pretext for war.


When you say "we believe", you must be talking about you and supporters of the CT, because I don't believe our government planned 9/11.

What does this have to do with the point I made?
An Urban Legend
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I guess I didn't catch this fact. Where was it mentioned?
w00t.gif

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When you say "we believe", you must be talking about you and supporters of the CT, because I don't believe our government planned 9/11.
No really, you think???????? Where is this posted? The conspiracy forum.............do you think thats why I said "we"?? Plus the topic started is a so called CT.

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What does this have to do with the point I made?
Once again Tk, your slow on catching it; forget it.
TK0001
QUOTE(An Urban Legend @ Mar 16 2007, 02:05 PM) [snapback]1585338[/snapback]
w00t.gif

No really, you think???????? Where is this posted? The conspiracy forum.............do you think thats why I said "we"?? Plus the topic started is a so called CT.

Once again Tk, your slow on catching it; forget it.


I guess I am slow, because I can't figure out how a smiley is any kind of answer. To be clear, I'm asking for a reputable link that stated he was tortured at the hands of the CIA, because I haven't seen that.

AUL, do you find it disturbing that a portion of Americans are now seeming to side with the terrorists? I do. That's my point.
el midgetron
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Mar 16 2007, 06:09 PM) [snapback]1585342[/snapback]
AUL, do you find it disturbing that a portion of Americans are now seeming to side with the terrorists? I do. That's my point.


Welcome to America, I hope you don't have to much of a hard time adjusting to our culture and laws. In America we have something called "freedom of speech". Maybe where ever you come from those who speak their mind are the "enemy", but not here.

No one is "siding with the terrorist". Dispite what you believe the world is not black and white. Just because someone isnt for one, doesnt mean they are for the other.
Episteme
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Mar 16 2007, 02:09 PM) [snapback]1585342[/snapback]
To be clear, I'm asking for a reputable link that stated he was tortured at the hands of the CIA, because I haven't seen that.

Apparently he claimed to be tortured at guantanamo, but he said his confession was "not coerced". I read it in a yahoo news story, they usually pull them off reuters or the AP. I can find it after work if nobody does by the time I get home tonight. thumbsup.gif

Out the door now /waves
archer95446
This government of ours is really playing the terrorism card.....Bin Ladin is supposed to be the ringleader, so then why didn't Bush keep our military on the orignal path....to get Bin Ladin instead of jumping into war with Iraq. With all the technology our country has, using sattelites to spy on people in their own homes, you would think they could pinpoint al-quieda (i know that's spelled wrong), training camps, hell if they wanted to they could locate and capture Bin Ladin and his terror groups. What in the heck did Iraq have to do with 9/11, Saddam and Bin Ladin were not friends, maybe Saddam knew Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11, and that he was being framed, and Bush couldn't take any chances for the TRUTH to come out so the focus switched to get Saddam and silence him. I don't know, it's just a thought I had the other day, so please don't attack me for it. Bush has many hidden agendas, we have our own homegrown terrorist.....George W. Bush. We the people of the United States don't mean anything to Bush, we all are just pawns in Bush's big game. Maybe this guy was tortured to the point of confessing, or maybe Bush finally made an offer (billions of dollars),that Mohammed just couldn't refuse, and agreed to take the rap. But I don't know, and you don't know, nobody knows for sure what's really happening, we're all kept in the dark by our government.
Hey, would somebody turn the on. We'd all be horrorified if we knew the truth.
Episteme
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Mar 16 2007, 02:09 PM) [snapback]1585342[/snapback]
To be clear, I'm asking for a reputable link that stated he was tortured at the hands of the CIA, because I haven't seen that.

Here is a more recent reference to the alleged torture:

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Mohammed has been kept in controversial circumstances, most of the time in complete secrecy, since his capture in Pakistan in 2003. He has no access to a lawyer and allegations have been made that he was tortured while in US custody.

Human Rights Watch called Thursday for the United States to release a separate statement by Mohammed in which he claims to have been tortured while held by the CIA.

"It is a glaring misuse of the classification power for the government to classify information simply because it might be embarrassing or unlawful," Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, said in a statement.

"Mohammed's claims of torture should be investigated rather than concealed."

The White House has declined to comment on Mohammed's statements, saying it did not want to influence any legal proceedings.

Source - the quote is taken from about the middle of the article.

frenat
Interesting reply I saw on another board

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Out of the 31, 20 either never occured, were just scouting missions, or providing money to other groups.

That leaves 11 actual missions that were undertaken.

Of those 4 were failures, all of which were tied back to Al Qaeda or Al Qaeda sponsered groups (or admitted to by Al Qaeda) and in one case KSM was named at the likely mastermind.

Of the 7 successful missions, all were known or suspected Al Qaeda operations, so it is likely that the head of their operations would have been involved in the planning and execution of them.

Interestingly, there are a number of Al Qaeda operations that didn't make the list, such as those I mentioned above. If he was just confessing to a string of Al Qaeda operations "to take one for the team" or because he was "tortured into confessing to them all", then why not add in those major operations as well?

An Urban Legend
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I guess I am slow, because I can't figure out how a smiley is any kind of answer. To be clear, I'm asking for a reputable link that stated he was tortured at the hands of the CIA, because I haven't seen that.


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Mohammed has been kept in controversial circumstances, most of the time in complete secrecy, since his capture in Pakistan in 2003. He has no access to a lawyer and allegations have been made that he was tortured while in US custody.

Human Rights Watch called Thursday for the United States to release a separate statement by Mohammed in which he claims to have been tortured while held by the CIA.

"It is a glaring misuse of the classification power for the government to classify information simply because it might be embarrassing or unlawful," Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, said in a statement.

"Mohammed's claims of torture should be investigated rather than concealed."

The White House has declined to comment on Mohammed's statements, saying it did not want to influence any legal proceedings.

Source - the quote is taken from about the middle of the article.
Aaah, thank you Episteme.

coughymachine
Hmmm. So is KSM dead or alive? This article from 2002 suggests the former.

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A chilling inheritance of terror
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

KARACHI - Ever since the frenzied shootout last month on September 11 in Karachi there have been doubts over whether Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the self-proclaimed head of al-Qaeda's military committee, died in the police raid on his apartment.

Certainly, another senior al-Qaeda figure, Ramzi Binalshibh, widely attributed as being the coordinator of the September 11 attacks on the United States a year earlier, was taken alive and handed over to the US. The latest information is that he is on a US warship somewhere in the Gulf.

Now it has emerged that Kuwaiti national Khalid Shaikh Mohammed did indeed perish in the raid, but his wife and child were taken from the apartment and handed over to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), in whose hands they remain.

Sources close to Pakistani intelligence agents say that the wife, under intense interrogation, has revealed information that is likely to lead to a new crackdown in Pakistan, as well as in Southeast Asia.

After the Taliban and al-Qaeda were routed in Afghanistan at the end of 2001, many fled to Pakistan to regroup and set up new cells. One of these, as described in Asia Times Online, From the al-Qaeda puzzle, a picture emerges, was in Karachi, with Khalid Shaikh Mohammed as its head.

Despite being tracked by informers within Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who has been described as "probably the only man who knows all the [al-Qaeda] pieces of the puzzle", always managed to remain one step ahead of any raiding parties in the slum areas along the coastal belt of Karachi.

However, it was then learned that Shaikh Mohammed had established connections with some local groups, including underworld figures, to entrench his cell. Using highly sensitive equipment, in April a call was tracked to someone by the name of Arif, living in the densely populated southwestern part of the city. Arif spoke to a Tunisian, passing on a message from Shaikh Mohammed. Subsequently, the Tunisian is believed to be the man who rammed a truck laden with explosives into a Jewish synagogue in Djerba in Tunisia in which many French and German citizens died.

After this suicide attack, the FBI were onto Shaikh Mohammed in a big way, and, no doubt not entirely without coincidence, on September 11 they decided on a showdown at the apartment of Shaikh Mohammed, his wife and child, in the Defense Housing Authority near Korangi Road. A number of Arabs were also living in the apartment at the time.

Initially, the joint ISI-FBI plan was to take Shaikh Mohammed alive so that he could be grilled, especially as he was believed to have knowledge of other al-Qaeda cells in Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen and elsewhere. However, as a plainclothed officer climbed the stairs toward the third-floor apartment, a hand grenade was thrown, and he retreated. Reinforcements then arrived, and for the next few hours a fierce gun battle blazed.

The FBI, still keen to take Shaikh Mohammed alive, teargassed the area, and a number of people were captured. However, despite instructions to the contrary, a few Pakistan Rangers entered the flat, where they found Shaikh Mohammed and another man, allegedly with their hands up. The Rangers nevertheless opened fire on the pair.

Later, the Pakistani press carried pictures of a message scrawled in blood on the wall of the flat, proclaiming the Muslim refrain of Kalma, in Arabic: "There is no God except Allah, Mohammed is his messenger"). An official who was present in the flat at the time of the shooting has told Asia Times Online that the message was written by Shaikh Mohammed with his own blood as his life drained from him.

Subsequently, to their surprise, the raiders learned that Ramzi Binalshibh had been netted in the swoop. And nothing further was said of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

But now it emerges that an Arab woman and a child were taken to an ISI safe house, where they identified the Shaikh Mohammed's body as their husband and father. The body was kept in a private NGO mortuary for 20 days before being buried, under the surveillance of the FBI, in a graveyard in the central district of Karachi.

The widow subsequently underwent exhaustive interrogation in the custody of FBI officials, during which she revealed details of people who visited her husband, and of his other contacts and plans. News of the death of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was intentionally suppressed so that officials could play on the power of his name to follow up leads and contacts.

From this it emerges that, in particular, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was in close contact with the Rabitatul Mujahideen, an alliance formed by Indonesia's Jemaah Islamiyah to act as a central committee for leaders of the various militant groups in Southeast Asia. He was also in touch with dissident groups within the Lashkar-i-Taiba, a Pakistani-based militant group that has been active in Jammu and Kashmir (J&K) in Indian-administered Kashmir, and another Pakistani militia, the Ansarul Islam.

Intelligence officials now believe that through these links a new wave of terror will be unleashed - and officials have already taken the precaution to warn the intelligence agencies of friendly countries to check the lists of all people who have undergone flight training in the past six months: They have been led to believe that another World Trade Center/Pentagon attack is being planned, although not on a target in the US.
Mithra
I dont belive it , even if bush wants us to belive it.. I just WONT
Episteme
QUOTE(coughymachine @ Mar 17 2007, 12:57 PM) [snapback]1586735[/snapback]
Hmmm. So is KSM dead or alive? This article from 2002 suggests the former.

HAH! What's next? We'll find out KSM is actually a CIA agent? The whole thing is just a ruse?

I wonder if Scooter Libby will be the one to reveal his true identity. ohmy.gif





(Sarcasm, in case there is any doubt! Though our government has probably done weirder things...) wink2.gif
coughymachine
QUOTE(Episteme @ Mar 17 2007, 08:59 PM) [snapback]1587010[/snapback]
HAH! What's next? We'll find out KSM is actually a CIA agent? The whole thing is just a ruse?

I wonder if Scooter Libby will be the one to reveal his true identity. ohmy.gif
(Sarcasm, in case there is any doubt! Though our government has probably done weirder things...) wink2.gif

Actually, I do think KSM was an agent, though perhaps not directly one of the CIA's assets. His involvement in the Bali attacks, which are believed to have been co-ordinated by Indonesian agencies, suggests he was a mercinary. That is also how I believe he might be linked to 9/11 - as a hired gun.
Unlimited
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Mar 16 2007, 05:48 PM) [snapback]1585314[/snapback]
Huh?

Instead of doing another symantics dance here, let me just cut it off at the pass. My reason for bringing up the question is the fact that nearly everyone in this thread appears to be painting Khalid Sheikh Mohammed as a victim of abuse and torture at the hands of our government with absolutely no proof whatsoever

This disturbs me greatly.


what do you think they do at secret CIA prisons and gitmo?..eat milk and cookies?...this guys been waterboarded for fun i bet...the guy is scum they should execute him and get it over with;but two wrongs dont make a right......
turbonium
This grabbed my attention from the article...

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks on the United States, has admitted responsibility for those and other major al Qaeda operations, according to the transcript of a hearing at Guantanamo Bay released on Wednesday.

What? All this time, I thought Bin Laden was supposed to be the alleged mastermind behind 9/11!!!!!

This really ticks me off! I've wasted over 5 years in a continual state of blind rage, hating the wrong guy!

Now I've gotta re-direct my blind rage to a new mastermind behind 9/11!!

When you finally decide on one boogyman, the absolute worst thing you can do is switch midstream to a new boogyman.
el midgetron
He also somehow manage to "plot a bombing" of the Plaza Bank 3 years after he had been detained lol -

QUOTE
In his confession, KSM claims, "I was responsible for planning, training, surveying, and financing for the New (or Second) Wave of attacks against the following skyscrapers after 9/11: ...Plaza Bank, Washington state."

KSM was arrested in March 2003. According to the Plaza Bank's website , the organization was founded in early 2006, making it impossible for KSM to have even known of the bank's existence before 2003, never mind plotted against it.


http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/ks..._his_arrest.htm

How would he even have known of the Plaza bank? Sounds like his "confession" was spoon fed to him. I don't understand why people believe anything from the government. Its such a joke.
An Urban Legend
QUOTE(turbonium @ Mar 18 2007, 12:03 AM) [snapback]1587784[/snapback]
This grabbed my attention from the article...

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks on the United States, has admitted responsibility for those and other major al Qaeda operations, according to the transcript of a hearing at Guantanamo Bay released on Wednesday.

What? All this time, I thought Bin Laden was supposed to be the alleged mastermind behind 9/11!!!!!

This really ticks me off! I've wasted over 5 years in a continual state of blind rage, hating the wrong guy!

Now I've gotta re-direct my blind rage to a new mastermind behind 9/11!!

When you finally decide on one boogyman, the absolute worst thing you can do is switch midstream to a new boogyman.
Thats why Im just going to accuse the guys pointing at..the boogie man......
turbonium
I really wonder if the war pigs just get together, consume massive amounts of drugs and booze, and every so often one of them suddenly starts blurting out all sorts of bizarro garbage....."Hey! Let's find some terrorist passports at Ground Zero!", and so on...

Then if the others find it so funny that they crap their pants, they'll send it off to their media lapdogs, who then serve it up for worldwide consumption.

It wouldn't surprise me if they hatched up the entire 9/11 cover story over a weekend retreat, wired up on heroin, Jack Daniels, and a truckload of pharmaceuticals.
turbonium
Maybe they found the Sheikh "confession" video during a search for skin clips on YouTube.
Bill Hill

QUOTE(turbonium @ Mar 18 2007, 08:03 AM) [snapback]1587784[/snapback]
What? All this time, I thought Bin Laden was supposed to be the alleged mastermind behind 9/11!!!!!

This really ticks me off! I've wasted over 5 years in a continual state of blind rage, hating the wrong guy!

Now I've gotta re-direct my blind rage to a new mastermind behind 9/11!!

When you finally decide on one boogyman, the absolute worst thing you can do is switch midstream to a new boogyman.


I'm still hating Colonal Gaddafi.. why that little.. anti-freedom anti-liberty scumbag.. wait until I get my hands on him.
Fluffybunny
QUOTE(turbonium @ Mar 18 2007, 01:03 AM) [snapback]1587784[/snapback]
This grabbed my attention from the article...

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the September 11 attacks on the United States, has admitted responsibility for those and other major al Qaeda operations, according to the transcript of a hearing at Guantanamo Bay released on Wednesday.

What? All this time, I thought Bin Laden was supposed to be the alleged mastermind behind 9/11!!!!!

This really ticks me off! I've wasted over 5 years in a continual state of blind rage, hating the wrong guy!

Now I've gotta re-direct my blind rage to a new mastermind behind 9/11!!

When you finally decide on one boogyman, the absolute worst thing you can do is switch midstream to a new boogyman.


I keep telling you turb, we are at war with EASTASIA, not EURASIA; the records have always said so, and you had better not say otherwise... Anyway it is time for the 2 minute rage...
jimmyphelps
So How many of you really believe that this Guy

is truly responsible for everything he has claimed? as one poster here brought up more than half of the

of the attacks never even were acted on another half of that were failed attempts..I just dont

see how anyone can take this seriously ...........................next it will be Usama being captured

right before the 2008 elections i just dont see this as credible at all
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