World War I
World War II
The Fall of the Roman Empire in the West and the Dark Ages....


Those pesky Germans.

Confound their meticulous technical and organisational skills......grr

Otherwise you feel OK? Relax, man. Take an Aspirin. Go feed the Ducks or something.

They also gave us Audi,BMW and VW. And a nice language (some of the words are funny ).

WW1 wasnt actually their fault- they were just made to take the blame by the Treaty of Versailles. It was Austro-Hungary who caused the problems.

NO WAY!! all wars are manipulted at the begining, its school kid mentality, chinese whispers, then watch people get mad cause whats been said, then aim them and say get them! its as easy as that.

look at the world trade centre, STILL A BIG DEBATE, but america is declaring war on its self to control and set this new world agenda.

i have met a lot of germans and their alright, tall, intelligent maybe a bit to robotic but generally nice people. its the bald nazis you got to watch but they love their history and love the violoence just like every culture loves their violence, football violence especially.

LOL
aye ... make great machines,
You seem quite rational on the subject for an Englisher.
but remember in the ec when they tried to do away with your famous banger sausages.......curse their superior pork products.

They also have some damn good beer!...mmm...*acts like Homer Simpson*

*as Basil Fawlty*: ...I mentioned the War once, but I think I got away with it.


--Jaylemurph

I quiet like the germans, i have been called hitler many atime just because i can speak german. Their accebts are funny when they speak english lol.
I take it your welsh (look under your avatar ).
I have never tried their wurst but apparently they are very good.

*Pokes you.* Hey. I'm mostly German.

I agree with, Satans Adherent.

I believe the emoticon used was:

I know. I picked that emotion icon, Adam.

Ya, I have an Audi, I would love to leave it in a ditch somewhere to be quite honest. Nice car, but geeeze they're way too expensive to repair.

The German language? Oh gee, I work in software and part of software is creating versions in other languages. German is one of the HARDEST languages to "localize" Any idea how hard it is to fit a 27 letter german word (are there words that are less than 27? ) onto a menu list or as a field lable?? YIKES!!!!!

Other than that, I love germans, and Munich is a WAY awesome city and they DO have fan-tab-u-lous beer!

While I can't speak the language and probably only have a small amount of the blood in me, I'm proud of my German heritage. ;D
I seriously think I look the part, stereotype-wise... Except my hair/eyes are brown, even though my father had bleach blond hair and green eyes. I blame the Mexican-American side of my family. T_T

lol

Yea i've often thought strange that the two nations we associate with starting world wars (Germany & Japan) now manufacture the best motors........hmmm

Sadly, so true. All so true.

I'm 1/4 German myself. I don't think the "Germans" ever did anything to the world. It is the leaders (yes, even "German" ones), and whoever is above them (Zionists, Jesuits) setting the agenda and making the decision which the leaders (even the German ones) must follow.

They also gave us Gina Wild. I love Germany.

Mercedes Benz, Marlene Dietrich, Claudia Schiffer(grrr), Ludwig van Beethoven, Friedrich Nietzsche, Albi Einstein, Diesel fuel inventor, forget name (Ruldolf?), Boris Becker(kickass tennis player), Michael Schumacher(F1 world champ born in 1969)what a great year that was and the best yet...Levi Strauss(jeans)...phew...*out of breath*...Steffi Graf, Ferry Porsche(designer and founder of Porsche)...

German <33333333

ZOMG there is a first time for everything


thread on "I HATE THOSE D**N GERMANS" has been turned into "What i like about germans" very nice indeed

Good isnt it?




Now thats just showing off

Danken Sie den Göttern für die Deutschen, die Jägermeister erfanden

All too true,

And don't forget their Racial Holocausts. We remember WWII the most, but Germans have been mass-murdering Jews for centuries, probably the most significant times before WWII being during the crusades long before there was a Hitler. In fact, most of the atrocities Muslims cite during the crusades, and blamed on Europeans in general, were largely at the hands of Germans.

But it is amusing how the Germans of all people promote the idea of racial superiority with themselves on top. The greatest German scientists seem to be Jewish, and until exposed to the technology of the Roman Empire, the Germans were virtual cavemen, living in hovels of cowdung and sticks, and contributing nothing to civilization save for preposterous tales of great heros as they drunk themselves senseless in their mead halls.

But even "cavemen" can become civilized when exposed to civilization, but in the German case, we still see that savage barbarity under the thin veneer of civilization.

Bull****. DC.

First of all, the mass murdering of Jews in Europe began with the Spaniards after they won their land back from the Arabs.
Second, while we know who started WWll, it is very discutabile who started WWl. Germans were blamed for it but the reality is different. It started with the asassination of crown princ Ferdinand from the Austro-Hungarian Monarchie in Sarajevo. The asassin was a Serb ( Princip ). The Austro-Hungarian Monarchie put an ultimatum on Serbia ( because the terrorist Gavrilo Princip belonged to the terroristic organisation Black Hand, stationed in Serbia ) to extradict the masterminds, which they refused. The war started, Serbia got help from England and France, Austria from Germany and.......
after all Germany was blamed for it.

I have spend more than 20 years in Germany. Very decent people. NOT even as close as racist as many other countries in the Eeast or West.

I can freely say that 1 German friend is more worth then 10 others. He will never let you down. Never.

Hey Adam, i'm just showing that Germans have so much to be proud of...nothing more & nothing less!

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I'm not biased against any country or race(killings are killings)but if we're going to talk stats...

128,168,000 VICTIMS: THE DEKA-MEGAMURDERERS

4. 61,911,000 Murdered: The Soviet Gulag State
5. 35,236,000 Murdered: The Communist Chinese Ant Hill
6. 20,946,000 Murdered: The Nazi Genocide State
7. 10,214,000 Murdered: The Depraved Nationalist Regime

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE5.HTM

People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime (1949-1975): 40 000 000
Soviet Union, Stalin's regime (1924-53): 20 000 000
Second World War (1937-45): 55 000 000...TOTAL
Congo Free State (1886-1908): 8 000 000

http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm

Good points Reb! ^^^

You know blaming the Germans is about as intelligent as blaming the Americans for the war in Iraq. It is the leadership..not the people themselves.

My gosh... I'm 100% ancestrally german and I wish I had those mad organizational skills

All good fun, I speak a little german, learnin is good, and my best mate is from Bonn; I have a few german friends...
dont really believe that they are responsible for any of the things posted....apart from the sausage thing....goose stepping, froggie bashing swienhunds!
even ww2 was not really the people's fault, britain and france really did them over at the end of the first big one, and the situation was so bad that they would have accepted any strong rule, very nearly became communits.
Every european country has carried out holocausts against jews, and in ww2 poland, france and the eastern states were all too eager to get their hands on jewish business and property. so again dont blame the germans. And the brits invented concentration camps in the boer war, so they were nothing new.
ever played kuhandel??? its a card-game for 3+.....answers alot. nowonder they are so good at business. many an evening spent trying to stitch eachother up.

my mate's favourate catchphrase....."WE HAD NINE TENTHS OF STALINGRAD!!!!" love winding him up.

Everybody knows it was the jews fault.

I'm also like 90% German with a little Irish.
I bet the British would hate me.

I'm going to stick something in here that is going to do something, I don't know. Maybe unclog some drains or something; but . . . IBM was started by a company who wanted to keep track of the prisoners in the death camps at Aushwitz. And you know the barcode? How close can you get to marks of the prisoners? I mean, y'all c'mon! The prescription drugs are an offshoot of the Genetics program of the Nazis. Adolph Hitler thought he was a descendant of an Atlantean, one of the Nordic races. But, there were some undisciplined Germans who defied the Hitler regime and turned him in. But , he won't die!

old news fella,
do some research....proper research.

I'm really sick of racist bigots like Draconic. I myself am over half German, and very proud of my heritage. The Germans have produced some of the greatest composers, artists, writers, scientists ect... ever. Their history and their great culture is over 2000 years old. Unfortunately igorant people, especially in my country, only think of 1933-1945. Even in the media and the movies, it seems Germans are the only group of people it's ok to be racist about. It's sickening. And all this bull that Germans have always killed Jews! Christ man get an education and not a brainwashing. Since the time of Friedrich der Grosse Jews were welcomed in Germany. Yes, of course, there might have been some prejudice here and there, but that's just like any other nation. The Germans weren't killing Jews left and right. During the Great War many Jews became really prominent and wealthy in Germany. In the 1920's Germany was viewed as one of the best places to live for them. Whatever minor, and yes I mean MINOR racist feelings, regular Germans might have had against Jews, were exploited by the Nazis, during the depression. Now I'm sure you're one of those Daniel Goldhagen followers, who believe every single German knew that the Jews were being killed. Of course, right, those evil Germans! And it's obvious you don't know much about history when you claim it was those barbaric Germans who massacred those poor poor Muslims during the crusades. Most of the Templars were not German, they were actually French. And of course you fail to mention the great Germanic King Charlemagne (Karl der Grosse), who ushered in a new era for Europe, and established what would eventually become the Kindom of France, and Germany. Or how about Karl Martel the Frankish warrior who defeated the Moors at the Battle of Tours. If it wasn't for him all of Europe would have become Muslim. Or the Lombards the Germanic tribe that conquered northern Italy until they were conquered by the Franks. That Germanic influence in Northern Italy is still prevalent today. And of course our English cousins, lest they forget the Angles and the Saxons. The Germans have a great rich history, and I believe are one of the most influential peoples of the modern Western world. Did you know most white Americans are of German descent, and not of English decent. Also, Draconic you state that all the top German scientist were Jews. Well first of all, they're still German, and second of all there are countless other German scientists that you probably never heard of from Max Planck to Werner Heisenberg to Hans Geiger to Gustav Hertz,,,ect. The Germans are responsible for inventing the car, the diesel engine, jet and rocket technology, the cathode-ray tube, neon lamps, magnetic tape reels, discovering electromagnetic waves, discovering alzheimers, creating asprin, Philipp Reis invented the first telephone prototype in 1861, before Bell did, the rotary cylinder engine, the first programmable computer, by Konrad Zuse, the electron microscope, perfection of mag-lev technology, and yes even the MP3!!! And countless other things. So, it's quite obvious, Draconic, that you are either a racist idiot, or brainwashed to hate Germans. Or maybe both!?! Either way, it's best not to generalize about any race or peoples, even we evil Germans!!!

Germans did not cause World War One. Learn history please.

but they did try to ban the english banger.......booooo




on the upside, great beer, black forest cured ham...mmmmmm..... and bf gateaux
and brothers grim tales......yay

dont be such a sourkraut.

The Germans also gave us blitzkreg, and jet planes, and modern highways. they also inspired the creation of the AK-47, by the russian dude, with their assault rifle, the SturmGewehr (is that how you spell it?)

The Germans did try to rebuild Rome I think, wasn't it the Frankish Empire and Holy Roman Empire? Both were suppose to be "reincarnations" of Rome.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this... technically... Hitler wasn't even german... he was born and raised in Austria.

The Franks turned into the French, but they were originally a Germanic tribe.

--Jaylemurph

One Correction Serbia Got Help from Russia that Side picking started

read the thread please.

true.

the whole fall of rome thing is a bit of a misnomer, as too the dark ages.
gibbon who wrote the epic work the decline of rome....cant be bothered to reach up and get it to give exact title....attributes the decline ultimately with the policies of Septimius Severus...and his son Caracalla.
modern historians contest that the empire in the west 'fell' at all, just decentralised politically. The church in Rome still exerted much control over europe for a good while, still does.
These attempts to resurrect 'Rome' were an attempt to centralise power again, although not 'at' rome.

You are wrong guy. Nothing I said was BS. Everything is true. The crusades were long before the Moslems were expelled from Spain. Below is a passage from Wiki, but this is common knowledge known by every Historian. I have lived in Germany as well, for over 20 years, and these facts have nothing to do with how friendly Germans can be. And Hitler was very kind to animals. I have German ancestry as well, but this doesn't mean I am going to cover up the truth.

And yes, the Germans originally tried to destory Western Civilization. They burnt down libraries and theatres (no use to them), and erected their pigstys on the mosaic floors. Archaeology proves this happened. Did some Germans want to build an Empire based on Rome? Yes, but after Civilization was reduced to the "dark ages, which took 1000 years to recover from.
German art and technology were virtually null until Rman slaves taught them almost everything. Look at the archaeology. When Romans were making glassware that is so sophisticated we still cannot duplicate it, the Germans could barely make a clay pot. and those they did make look like something a child made in Kindergarten. Thousands of ancient German graves have been excavated, and save from crude weapons, every other metal objects in the graves were either stolen or bought from Celts and Romans. These are the facts.

And the Germans haven't changed. Wholesale butchery of complete towns because a partisan shot at a German soldier in WWII. Other countries committed atrocities too, but none so cooly and efficiently as the Germans. And long before the Nazis, Germans were noted by the rest of the world for their barbarity. It was well known and mentioned even during the American Revolution regarding the Hessian mercenaries.

Its nothing to get worked up about. Its a "German thing". Don't get excited, just live with it. And besides, who could possibly make better villains in those Indiana Jones movies than Germans?

From the Jewish Persecution article in Wikipedia:
"In medieval Europe, many persecutions of Jews in the name of Christianity occurred, notably during the Crusades—when Jews all over Germany were massacred—and a series of expulsions from England, Germany, France, and, in the largest expulsion of all, Spain. Jews were frequently tried and put to death for a variety of imagined religious offenses against Christianity. On many occasions, Jews were accused of a blood libel, the supposed drinking of the blood of Christian children in mockery of the Christian Eucharist. Jews were also falsely accused of torturing consecrated host wafers in a reenactment of the Crucifixion; this was known as host desecration."

i agree,
culturally the germans cared little for the 'refinement' of Roman structures and amenities. they rejected such things as imasculating. I think tacitus agrees with them a bit.
if we believe tacitus they found it much more masculine to be crude and 'spartan' (in the sense of enjoying physical hardship)
but they were meticulously clean, had a well ordered society-and wernt slow to capitalise on other boons of civilisation.
The Franks are particularly noted in history for adopting romano-celtic culture and even language to some extent.
I dont think they wanted to destroy civilisation, just grab it and take what they want, because they had the strength to do it. most civilisations are the same.....iraq...oil.....
we should not see the germans at this point as having a coherent unity, even the word German was incorrectly applied to the whole group by the romans; they were many different tribes acting differently, and often against each other as much as anyone else....

though as you point out with the archaeological evidence, they wernt materialistic....but they were very religious and spiritual. They had a strong moral code.
and they also tried to preserve Rome....well at least some did at some points.....
perhaps the term 'Germans' at this point in history is too general for these points.

***x

not very eloquent, but im tired and oftobed.

I think it's still pretty much up in the air MMW, as to his heritage...heres extracts i found with links anyway...
Nothing conclusive though...some say yes others no...who knows. lol!
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His father, Alois, was born in 1837. He was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber and her unknown mate, which may have been someone from the neighborhood or a poor millworker named Johann Georg Hiedler. It is also remotely possible Adolf Hitler's grandfather was Jewish.
Click Here!

Maria Schicklgruber was said to have been employed as a cook in the household of a wealthy Jewish family named Frankenberger. There is some speculation their 19-year-old son got her pregnant and regularly sent her money after the birth of Alois.

Adolf Hitler would never know for sure just who his grandfather was.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/born.htm
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Hitler's grandmother was not Jewish.

There are some rumors hinting that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Few, if any, of the reputable historians on the Holocaust believe that this is so. It is more likely that Hitler tried to keep the murky history of his family quite secret because there was a high incidence of insanity and feeble-mindedness in his ancestors.

Rumors die hard, though.
http://www.holocaust-history.org/questions...er-jewish.shtml
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One of the most frequently asked questions we receive is whether Adolf Hitler was Jewish or had ancestors who were. The idea seems to arise from the remote possibility that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Hitler's father, Alois, was registered as an illegitimate child with no father. Alois' mother worked in the home of a wealthy Jew and there is some chance a son in that household got the woman (i.e., Hitler's grandmother) pregnant. Adolf Hitler was not Jewish.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc.../hitlerjew.html
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OH yes. The Germans have a monopoly on being evil. It's in their blood right? Now YOU sound like the Nazi. Of course throughout history all cultures and societies that gain some form of power become vicious and "evil" to a certain extent. Let us not forget the Spanish Conquistadors, and the Inquisition. Or how about the English and Dutch brutality in their colonies. Or Czarist and Soviet crimes and murders. Or the brutality of the Moors, or of the Turks, or of the Mongolians, or the Americans and their genocide of the Native Americans and practice of slavery, or the ancient Hebrews, Assyrians, Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, Persians...ect....Every great nation or kingdom have plenty of violence and evil in their history. To single out the Germans because of their recent history is naive and bigoted. It's obvious you have been brainwashed to believe this nonsense, that the Germans are somehow unique in being evil. Any scientist in the world would tell you such specifics do not exist, and we're all capable of great evil. And of course there were purges of Jews in Germany back in the middle ages, as well as in France, and in Spain, and pretty much all of Europe, that's no surprise. So what's your point? And finally, so what if the Germans weren't as "culturaly advanced" as the Romans were when they conquered them? With the great Frankish people and kings like Charlemagne they brought back culture to Europe and eventually saved Europe from the Moors. Anyways what the hell do you think the ancestors of the Romans were doing when the Greeks were at their highpoint. Pretty much nothing. It was until the Romans, through STRENGTH and BRUTALITY and, shall we say, EVIL, conquered and pretty much enslaved the rest of the known world, that they copied pretty much all their culture and art and religion from the Greeks. The Romans were great because of the power they had, and for how long they held their empire, and the influence they cast, because of that. But they weren't unique. They stole all their culture from the Greeks. So what's the problem then if the Germanic tribes were more backward than the Romans at the time. They eventually copied, or stole, or adapted their culture, just as the Romans did before them, and just as all civilizations do. Your argument is full of so many bigoted holes it completely falls apart. Whenever anybody tries to imply that an entire race or group of people are a particular way, and they generalize about an entire people, then you should know that person is a bigot. Disgusting.

Well stated krichter.

Our ignorance of history causes us to slander our own times.

As for the Medieval Holocausts, I posted that becasue another poster "denied" it happened (sound familiar?)

But I guess the "difference" between the German and all those other people is the undeniable fact that the Germans have continued these acts of savage, uncivilized barbarity right down to the middle of the 20th Century.

And when the Romans conquered Greece, they didn't turn the temples, libraries and theaters into rock quarries and pig styes. Maybe you don't see the difference. You see the Romans apprecieated civilization, whereas the invading Germans simply wanted to destroy it. And in WWII, it was the same old thing all over again. As the Germans retreated up the Italian penninsula in 1944-45, they mindlessly destroyed ancient cultural monuments for the pure joy of it. Do you doubt the truth? Tell me I am wrong.

I never said "every" German is a destructive Barbarian, but every stereotype has a certain amount of truth, or they wouldn't be stereotypes.

I have not made a single inaccurate statement about the Germans here.

The Germans as a modern nation and empire came late to the power struggle, that is why her worst crimes were in the last century. The German tribes that came after the fall of Rome adapted alot of Roman culture to their own practices. This notion you have that every Germanic tribe destroyed poor Rome's culture is a misnomer. You obviously don't know much about history. And for your information, the Germans did not recklessly destroy all culture and art during World War II. Just for an example why don't you look up Monte Cassino, were the German soldiers went out of their way to save the art in the church, before the Allies bombed the hell out of it. Even the head Priest at Monte Cassino thanked the soldiers after the war for saving their art. How about when Hitler ordered Paris to be destroyed rather than surrender, and the German general in charge refused. And how about when the German High Command declared Rome to be an 'open city.' Rather than fight in the city and risk its destruction the Germans pulled out, which was actually a bad military descision. Or how about during the invasion of Greece when the Germans purposely avoided bombing or fighting anywhere near the ruins in Athens, and all the wonderful 'field trips' the excited soldiers took to see the great ruins. There are many other countless acts of the Germans "NOT" destroying art and culture. If you want to talk about the destruction of culture, why don't you ask Sir "Butcher" Harris, and Curtis LeMay about the wonderful firebombings of Germany and Japan that they are responsible for. Every single statement you have made about the Germans is inaccurate! I would suggest you pick up a book about history, rather than focus all your "intelligence" on dragons.

Your cool avatar saves you




Before you start accusing people of being stupid, can you please back up your claims with links to sites that have this information on it. I am not calling you a liar, but i think it is unfair that you are making claims that people are wrong but not backing up that your views are correct.


It would also be useful for you Draconic.


Thank you.