Hiho, I just discovered that Invisible psi balls aint invisible!
If you look above a fire u will see that its a bit blury or whatever its called...
If you look really carefully at ur invisible psi ball u will see that it is blury try it out!
There is a Solid Psi ball that was the first i made but it was veeeery weak felt like an magnetic field.
Then there is an other psi ball that is not solid its just hot or cold...
I also discovered that you shouldn't make more than 2 psi balls per day...
Hehe, it didnt work for me after i did 2 solid psi balls
but i succeded to make one hot but it wasnt solid.
Well there was my experience... BTW i learned this the first day i tried i swear to my life that i succeded...
But i didnt do mutch though i just closed my eyes and cleared my head out and just looked up in the black and focused on my breathing.
Then i did like a bellydancer but slowly slowly twisted my stomach like a circle. And one other thing try to make ur fingertips feel somekind of feeling then start to make your hands look like its holding a ball i think the feeling in the fingertips are an sign of energy flowing.
I have a question too!
Am i suppose to steal energy from the sun, moon or earth to make a psi ball or should i use my own energy?
Because i used my own energy and i found out that u can use the moon, sun or earth energy after i made the 2 solid balls.
The 2 solid balls was made with my own energy.
Full Version: My Psi Ball Experience
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Solid balls? You lost me there...
What is a Psi ball?
Cool i made a visible psi ball like after a month and a psi ball is a ball of energy adn anybody can do it.
I can't seem to get it down. How long does it normally take for you to make one. I can alwas get a tingling sensation in my hands but thats about it.
Edit: I got it working
Edit: I got it working
can anybody explain why would one make psi balls? I mean, I dont get the point of that.
I think you should not use your personal energy, rather use other sources, but always ask permission to do so.
I think you should not use your personal energy, rather use other sources, but always ask permission to do so.
To expand your mind. Mind over matter.
And I don't think your really using anothers energy. Your basicly visualizing energy flowing through your body like blood does. But you visualize the energy grow so it does. It's really a confusing concept. Maybe I'm using bits of the suns energy when I visulize it flowing through me. I don't really no
And I don't think your really using anothers energy. Your basicly visualizing energy flowing through your body like blood does. But you visualize the energy grow so it does. It's really a confusing concept. Maybe I'm using bits of the suns energy when I visulize it flowing through me. I don't really no
Here's a novel concept!
It's all in your head, because you expect something to happen.
It's all in your head, because you expect something to happen.
Then why did the thermometer decrease temperature when my brother put it where I had made my psi ball.
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Mar 31 2007, 08:23 PM) [snapback]1607717[/snapback]
Here's a novel concept!
It's all in your head, because you expect something to happen.
It's all in your head, because you expect something to happen.
VERY good...!
QUOTE(The Lone Spartan @ Mar 31 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1607727[/snapback]
Then why did the thermometer decrease temperature when my brother put it where I had made my psi ball.
There could be a number of possible answers to that question. It is an excellent question - did you investigate it or just accept it? If you did not investigate the possible answers to this - then you did not seek to find the answer, you may of only wanted to 'prove' your answer. Which didn't prove anything other than you didn't take the experiment all the way - by looking at what other answers of science were at play.
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Mar 31 2007, 09:23 PM) [snapback]1607717[/snapback]
Here's a novel concept!
It's all in your head, because you expect something to happen.
It's all in your head, because you expect something to happen.
yes, but what happens in head, manifests in this reality...
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Mar 19 2007, 04:37 PM) [snapback]1589652[/snapback]
What is a Psi ball?
Empress you just asked exactly the same question I have asked on other threads of this nature, I wanted to know what they would be used for lol.
I never get an answer though, so I guess the answer is they are used for nothing and if that is the case it is a waste of energy
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Apr 24 2007, 02:13 PM) [snapback]1644398[/snapback]
Empress you just asked exactly the same question I have asked on other threads of this nature, I wanted to know what they would be used for lol.
I never get an answer though, so I guess the answer is they are used for nothing and if that is the case it is a waste of energy
I never get an answer though, so I guess the answer is they are used for nothing and if that is the case it is a waste of energy
They can be used to send thoughts and feelings, alert you of something, etc. That's only when you're very advanced, though.
Basically, psiballs are used to learn how to manipulate energy. Energy manipulation leads onto bigger skills.
QUOTE(Kazuma @ Apr 24 2007, 09:07 PM) [snapback]1644469[/snapback]
They can be used to send thoughts and feelings, alert you of something, etc. That's only when you're very advanced, though.
Basically, psiballs are used to learn how to manipulate energy. Energy manipulation leads onto bigger skills.
Basically, psiballs are used to learn how to manipulate energy. Energy manipulation leads onto bigger skills.
Ah thanks Kazuma
- used for things like healing too?
QUOTE(Kazuma @ Apr 24 2007, 01:07 PM) [snapback]1644469[/snapback]
They can be used to send thoughts and feelings, alert you of something, etc. That's only when you're very advanced, though.
Basically, psiballs are used to learn how to manipulate energy. Energy manipulation leads onto bigger skills.
Basically, psiballs are used to learn how to manipulate energy. Energy manipulation leads onto bigger skills.
You know Kaz, I've heard these claims but have yet to see any even remote evidence, proof or validation of it. Why is that? It's not for lack of looking either.
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ Apr 24 2007, 06:30 PM) [snapback]1644792[/snapback]
You know Kaz, I've heard these claims but have yet to see any even remote evidence, proof or validation of it. Why is that? It's not for lack of looking either.
Well lets see,
1. They only work when alone!
2.The psiballs are invisible!
Their really is no credible evidence to prove psiballs exist! Personaly, I feel it's all in they're minds.
Every child has a very active imagination, and want to be different possibly have a special power!
Personaly, I don't see anything wrong with having an active imagination!
But when it comes down to this Psi. thing, it's time to start thinking a little more logicaly before
assuming that you have done some amazing thing.
QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Apr 24 2007, 07:25 PM) [snapback]1644845[/snapback]
Well lets see,
1. They only work when alone!
2.The psiballs are invisible!
Their really is no credible evidence to prove psiballs exist! Personaly, I feel it's all in they're minds.
Every child has a very active imagination, and want to be different possibly have a special power!
Personaly, I don't see anything wrong with having an active imagination!
But when it comes down to this Psi. thing, it's time to start thinking a little more logicaly before
assuming that you have done some amazing thing.
1. They only work when alone!
2.The psiballs are invisible!
Their really is no credible evidence to prove psiballs exist! Personaly, I feel it's all in they're minds.
Every child has a very active imagination, and want to be different possibly have a special power!
Personaly, I don't see anything wrong with having an active imagination!
But when it comes down to this Psi. thing, it's time to start thinking a little more logicaly before
assuming that you have done some amazing thing.
Sir. You should know that logic does not play into psychic powers. Have you lost your mind.
Sorry skeptics, I have no evidence, and I'm sure you're all very happy to hear me admit that. I really don't care.
This thread is not the place for your skepticism. I'm done wasting my time with you here.
This thread is not the place for your skepticism. I'm done wasting my time with you here.
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Apr 24 2007, 03:11 PM) [snapback]1644475[/snapback]
Ah thanks Kazuma - used for things like healing too?
- used for things like healing too?No problem.
You could use psiballs for healing, yes, but it's rather indirect. It'd be easier to just send energy to the wound directly.
QUOTE(Kazuma @ Apr 25 2007, 02:47 PM) [snapback]1646051[/snapback]
Sorry skeptics, I have no evidence, and I'm sure you're all very happy to hear me admit that. I really don't care.
This thread is not the place for your skepticism. I'm done wasting my time with you here.
This thread is not the place for your skepticism. I'm done wasting my time with you here.
Thankyou. Come again.
QUOTE(Kazuma @ Apr 25 2007, 12:50 PM) [snapback]1646057[/snapback]
No problem.
You could use psiballs for healing, yes, but it's rather indirect. It'd be easier to just send energy to the wound directly.
You could use psiballs for healing, yes, but it's rather indirect. It'd be easier to just send energy to the wound directly.
Where do you get this stuff???????
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ Apr 25 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]1646084[/snapback]
Where do you get this stuff???????
I find proof for myself, as do other psions.
QUOTE(Kazuma @ Apr 25 2007, 07:42 PM) [snapback]1646455[/snapback]
I find proof for myself, as do other psions.
And the proof never stands up to the claim. Sorry. I should say there is never any real proof offered.
QUOTE(Kazuma @ Apr 25 2007, 05:42 PM) [snapback]1646455[/snapback]
I find proof for myself, as do other psions.
Ok, Kaz:
Do you take my challenge here:
The Challenge give to you:
The rules are simple and here:
Rules for the Challenge and the $75.00 award!
Ok - you found the proof - so deliever it: SHOW US YOUR STUFF!
QUOTE(Jojje13 @ Mar 18 2007, 11:48 PM) [snapback]1588560[/snapback]
Hiho, I just discovered that Invisible psi balls aint invisible!
If you look above a fire u will see that its a bit blury or whatever its called...
If you look really carefully at ur invisible psi ball u will see that it is blury try it out!
There is a Solid Psi ball that was the first i made but it was veeeery weak felt like an magnetic field.
Then there is an other psi ball that is not solid its just hot or cold...
I also discovered that you shouldn't make more than 2 psi balls per day...
Hehe, it didnt work for me after i did 2 solid psi balls
but i succeded to make one hot but it wasnt solid.
Well there was my experience... BTW i learned this the first day i tried i swear to my life that i succeded...
But i didnt do mutch though i just closed my eyes and cleared my head out and just looked up in the black and focused on my breathing.
Then i did like a bellydancer but slowly slowly twisted my stomach like a circle. And one other thing try to make ur fingertips feel somekind of feeling then start to make your hands look like its holding a ball i think the feeling in the fingertips are an sign of energy flowing.
I have a question too!
Am i suppose to steal energy from the sun, moon or earth to make a psi ball or should i use my own energy?
Because i used my own energy and i found out that u can use the moon, sun or earth energy after i made the 2 solid balls.
The 2 solid balls was made with my own energy.
If you look above a fire u will see that its a bit blury or whatever its called...
If you look really carefully at ur invisible psi ball u will see that it is blury try it out!
There is a Solid Psi ball that was the first i made but it was veeeery weak felt like an magnetic field.
Then there is an other psi ball that is not solid its just hot or cold...
I also discovered that you shouldn't make more than 2 psi balls per day...
Hehe, it didnt work for me after i did 2 solid psi balls
but i succeded to make one hot but it wasnt solid.
Well there was my experience... BTW i learned this the first day i tried i swear to my life that i succeded...
But i didnt do mutch though i just closed my eyes and cleared my head out and just looked up in the black and focused on my breathing.
Then i did like a bellydancer but slowly slowly twisted my stomach like a circle. And one other thing try to make ur fingertips feel somekind of feeling then start to make your hands look like its holding a ball i think the feeling in the fingertips are an sign of energy flowing.
I have a question too!
Am i suppose to steal energy from the sun, moon or earth to make a psi ball or should i use my own energy?
Because i used my own energy and i found out that u can use the moon, sun or earth energy after i made the 2 solid balls.
The 2 solid balls was made with my own energy.
I have managed to make a linear flow from one hand to another.
Could you tell me how did you make a ball ?
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Apr 25 2007, 11:50 AM) [snapback]1645729[/snapback]
Sir. You should know that logic does not play into psychic powers. Have you lost your mind.
lol, you are correct ericraven! But, I suppose logic would come into play if they used it to understand that
this psi thing is bunk!
QUOTE(Darjan @ Apr 26 2007, 02:41 PM) [snapback]1647536[/snapback]
I have managed to make a linear flow from one hand to another.
Could you tell me how did you make a ball ?
Could you tell me how did you make a ball ?
A linear flow? Excuse me but can you please explain to me exactly how you do this!
Seriously, I'm curious!
The wind is invisible to the eye only when dirt and debree is mixed is it visible. You feel it but only know of it because of such strong forces as tornadoes and gusts or what you call reality. You should only know of the energy psi or chi because it is life. Do you believe in a life energy. You should because consciousness is created from energy and energy cannot be destroyed or created only changed into something else. Thoughts become reality but only when you are very much focused and I don't mean just by thinking about it for about twenty minutes. No this takes time because concentration, awarenss, and focus comes strong from pratice and will to be still.
None of you "skeptics " cannot say what exists or not because you have no proof. Just know that proof will come because we have yet to prove why we are here and why such events in the bible are happening but they still happen. And no amount of you saying that someone should prove it is going to stop it or make it exits even more than you can think of another things to say about what i said or come up with some sort of crazy anecdote to make me try and persuade your belief. MY BELIEF IS IN MYSELF AND MY CONSCIOUSNESS WORKING WITH ALL MIND, BODY, AND SOUL DEOTHING MY PLACE THROUGHOUT THIS WORLD BY MY DESIRES OF THOUGHTS MAKING WHAT I WANT TO HAPPEN BUT ONLY CAN BY THE DEDICATION AND PATIENCE.
Be open minded and stop trying to down something that you don't believe. Your belief is not a religion and everyone should not follow it and everyone should not follow psi as a religion but as a advancement of the mind and its control on reality!!
DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.
None of you "skeptics " cannot say what exists or not because you have no proof. Just know that proof will come because we have yet to prove why we are here and why such events in the bible are happening but they still happen. And no amount of you saying that someone should prove it is going to stop it or make it exits even more than you can think of another things to say about what i said or come up with some sort of crazy anecdote to make me try and persuade your belief. MY BELIEF IS IN MYSELF AND MY CONSCIOUSNESS WORKING WITH ALL MIND, BODY, AND SOUL DEOTHING MY PLACE THROUGHOUT THIS WORLD BY MY DESIRES OF THOUGHTS MAKING WHAT I WANT TO HAPPEN BUT ONLY CAN BY THE DEDICATION AND PATIENCE.
Be open minded and stop trying to down something that you don't believe. Your belief is not a religion and everyone should not follow it and everyone should not follow psi as a religion but as a advancement of the mind and its control on reality!!
Mind plus body equals an individual soul
Body plus soul equals a needy mind
Soul plus mind equals a responsive body
Mind plus body plus soul equals a responsive, needy individual!!!
Body plus soul equals a needy mind
Soul plus mind equals a responsive body
Mind plus body plus soul equals a responsive, needy individual!!!
DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ Apr 26 2007, 12:39 PM) [snapback]1647451[/snapback]
Ok, Kaz:
Do you take my challenge here:
The Challenge give to you:
The rules are simple and here:
Rules for the Challenge and the $75.00 award!
Ok - you found the proof - so deliever it: SHOW US YOUR STUFF!
Do you take my challenge here:
The Challenge give to you:
The rules are simple and here:
Rules for the Challenge and the $75.00 award!
Ok - you found the proof - so deliever it: SHOW US YOUR STUFF!
No, I'm sure whatever I would do wouldn't be good enough for you. I'm not even going to attempt to humor you.
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Apr 26 2007, 12:18 PM) [snapback]1647419[/snapback]
And the proof never stands up to the claim. Sorry. I should say there is never any real proof offered.
That's not our problem.
QUOTE(Kazuma @ Apr 26 2007, 05:44 PM) [snapback]1647838[/snapback]
That's not our problem.
lol, Seriously, it's not your problem?
You believers are the one saying you can do all these amazingthings, and yet you offer up no solid evidence. But yet you get mad when we come in here and tell you to anti-up!
It's no wonder us skeptics have a hard time believing you.
QUOTE(Kazuma @ Apr 26 2007, 02:42 PM) [snapback]1647833[/snapback]
No, I'm sure whatever I would do wouldn't be good enough for you. I'm not even going to attempt to humor you.
Actually - as it is written it is pretty Black & White - and everyone would see it. IF you took the challenge I'd even forward the money for insurace to the ADMIN.
You only have to meet the requirements as outlined. Straight forward. No fine print. The only way it wouldn't work is if you don't have the 'powers' - that is the only way it wouldn't work.
Like I said - one of the outs you would have is excuses.... See, I must be psychic.
So once again - I put up - MONEY, and all you are going to put up is EXCUSES??
QUOTE(mysticart1987 @ Apr 26 2007, 05:34 PM) [snapback]1647810[/snapback]
The wind is invisible to the eye only when dirt and debree is mixed is it visible. You feel it but only know of it because of such strong forces as tornadoes and gusts or what you call reality. You should only know of the energy psi or chi because it is life. Do you believe in a life energy. You should because consciousness is created from energy and energy cannot be destroyed or created only changed into something else. Thoughts become reality but only when you are very much focused and I don't mean just by thinking about it for about twenty minutes. No this takes time because concentration, awarenss, and focus comes strong from pratice and will to be still.
None of you "skeptics " cannot say what exists or not because you have no proof. Just know that proof will come because we have yet to prove why we are here and why such events in the bible are happening but they still happen. And no amount of you saying that someone should prove it is going to stop it or make it exits even more than you can think of another things to say about what i said or come up with some sort of crazy anecdote to make me try and persuade your belief. MY BELIEF IS IN MYSELF AND MY CONSCIOUSNESS WORKING WITH ALL MIND, BODY, AND SOUL DEOTHING MY PLACE THROUGHOUT THIS WORLD BY MY DESIRES OF THOUGHTS MAKING WHAT I WANT TO HAPPEN BUT ONLY CAN BY THE DEDICATION AND PATIENCE.
Be open minded and stop trying to down something that you don't believe. Your belief is not a religion and everyone should not follow it and everyone should not follow psi as a religion but as a advancement of the mind and its control on reality!!
DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.
None of you "skeptics " cannot say what exists or not because you have no proof. Just know that proof will come because we have yet to prove why we are here and why such events in the bible are happening but they still happen. And no amount of you saying that someone should prove it is going to stop it or make it exits even more than you can think of another things to say about what i said or come up with some sort of crazy anecdote to make me try and persuade your belief. MY BELIEF IS IN MYSELF AND MY CONSCIOUSNESS WORKING WITH ALL MIND, BODY, AND SOUL DEOTHING MY PLACE THROUGHOUT THIS WORLD BY MY DESIRES OF THOUGHTS MAKING WHAT I WANT TO HAPPEN BUT ONLY CAN BY THE DEDICATION AND PATIENCE.
Be open minded and stop trying to down something that you don't believe. Your belief is not a religion and everyone should not follow it and everyone should not follow psi as a religion but as a advancement of the mind and its control on reality!!
Mind plus body equals an individual soul
Body plus soul equals a needy mind
Soul plus mind equals a responsive body
Mind plus body plus soul equals a responsive, needy individual!!!
Body plus soul equals a needy mind
Soul plus mind equals a responsive body
Mind plus body plus soul equals a responsive, needy individual!!!
DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.
What?
Alright do me a favor! show me one credible moment/account in the history of humans where this is proven to exist!QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Apr 26 2007, 05:59 PM) [snapback]1647870[/snapback]
lol, Seriously, it's not your problem? You believers are the one saying you can do all these amazing
things, and yet you offer up no solid evidence. But yet you get mad when we come in here and tell you to anti-up!
It's no wonder us skeptics have a hard time believing you.
You believers are the one saying you can do all these amazingthings, and yet you offer up no solid evidence. But yet you get mad when we come in here and tell you to anti-up!
It's no wonder us skeptics have a hard time believing you.
because people like you find every possible way to shoot it down. so why bother? you are probably never going to believe, nor do i give a **** if you ever do, it is pointless to offer proof. you know this as well as i. so why, then, are you wasting your words here?
QUOTE(Shadow Dweller @ Apr 26 2007, 06:26 PM) [snapback]1647911[/snapback]
because people like you find every possible way to shoot it down. so why bother? you are probably never going to believe, nor do i give a **** if you ever do, it is pointless to offer proof. you know this as well as i. so why, then, are you wasting your words here?
Exactly! And, I will ask the same of you! Why are you waisting your time if you can't prove what you do?
Doesn't it seem a bit pointless if you have nothing to show as evidence! You know as well as,
I do that when you talk about these amazing abilities that you will be asked to prove it.
QUOTE(Shadow Dweller @ Apr 26 2007, 03:26 PM) [snapback]1647911[/snapback]
because people like you find every possible way to shoot it down. so why bother? you are probably never going to believe, nor do i give a **** if you ever do, it is pointless to offer proof. you know this as well as i. so why, then, are you wasting your words here?
Actually I can say NO - I only "shoot down" frauds, hoaxes, scams and people passing of Science as "Psi". I've stated a number of times: I have seen valid evidence for Telepathy between twins, even when it wasn't being done for "science" the documentation is that good - it cannot be shot down. I have seen many valid tests for Remote Viewing - even by skeptics, that when the test was done - the RV'r passed w/exceptional flying colors. I have seen valid testing on people that claim to be real Empaths and it was 'cut and dry'.
Now how was this done: People made the claims and then had the balls to stand up and say,"here is the proof... " and delievered. No excuses, not cop outs, not tricks. They had to either "Put up or Shut up" - they put up and shut up the skeptics.
Do we understand what happened? No - it is being investigated on how this works. But there was NO tricks, illussions or scams pulled off.
THIS IS WHAT I AM ASKING FOR! If you make claim - then have the balls to stand up and say: "HERE IT IS..." instead of the all to common lame excuses as to why you will NOT do it.
The outline is very straight forward in the $75.00 challenge. No loop holes, no scams, or excuses - you meet the check list and pull it off honestly - then I'm out $75.00, it is just that simple.
Once again I've put my money where my mouth is - I've made a cut and dry what has to be met. Either people have this power that they claim or they do not - so since I put up - $$$, at least then one of you can PUT UP THE POWER. That simple - right now it's just being met w/very seriously seen E X C U S E S - which is causing your cause to loose even more crediblity....
Again: Here is the link to the $75.00 Challenge - tell me what is wrong with the conditions?
The $75.00 Challenge -
QUOTE(mysticart1987 @ Apr 26 2007, 11:34 PM) [snapback]1647810[/snapback]
None of you "skeptics " cannot say what exists or not because you have no proof.
See, this is a fairly good point, but... The thing is; you cannot prove a negative, you can't truely prove that something isn't there. I can claim there's a race of mole people living in your back yard, but you can't see them, nor can you touch them or detect them in any way, how do you disprove my claim?
All you can do is give valid points and explainations to why things happen like they do, which, people I consider smarter than myself, (like Jjbreen here,) do all the time.
Now, proving something is real is a whole other thing, it's alot easier, and there has been many oppotunities to do so through media, and even cash rewards to make it more desirable.
I'm going to ask every believer here to answer themselfs to this question, not answer to me or anyone on this forum: "Do you honestly have mind powers, or do you just really want to believe you do" (Yes, I realise it's rather condescending to ask a rhetorical Q like that, but asking myself questions like this have made me stop believing in alot of crap flying around the internet)
QUOTE(Larving @ Apr 26 2007, 05:59 PM) [snapback]1648183[/snapback]
See, this is a fairly good point, but... The thing is; you cannot prove a negative, you can't truely prove that something isn't there. I can claim there's a race of mole people living in your back yard, but you can't see them, nor can you touch them or detect them in any way, how do you disprove my claim?
All you can do is give valid points and explainations to why things happen like they do, which, people I consider smarter than myself, (like Jjbreen here,) do all the time.
Now, proving something is real is a whole other thing, it's alot easier, and there has been many oppotunities to do so through media, and even cash rewards to make it more desirable.
I'm going to ask every believer here to answer themselfs to this question, not answer to me or anyone on this forum: "Do you honestly have mind powers, or do you just really want to believe you do" (Yes, I realise it's rather condescending to ask a rhetorical Q like that, but asking myself questions like this have made me stop believing in alot of crap flying around the internet)
All you can do is give valid points and explainations to why things happen like they do, which, people I consider smarter than myself, (like Jjbreen here,) do all the time.
Now, proving something is real is a whole other thing, it's alot easier, and there has been many oppotunities to do so through media, and even cash rewards to make it more desirable.
I'm going to ask every believer here to answer themselfs to this question, not answer to me or anyone on this forum: "Do you honestly have mind powers, or do you just really want to believe you do" (Yes, I realise it's rather condescending to ask a rhetorical Q like that, but asking myself questions like this have made me stop believing in alot of crap flying around the internet)
You know I actually understand this - now the MONKEY WRENCH. Why is it that all of you that claim these powers cannot, will not ever step up and "put your actions where your mouth is"? Why is it that you always dish out excuses and rationals like this - to prove well what do you prove? That you are all talk and excuses BUT ZERO ACTIONS!
So I put my money where my mouth is: I offer a $75.00 award for one of you 'big talkers' to deliever. But no one wants to deliever except more talk - more excuses and more lame reationals to avoid what you need to do: Back Up Your Talk With Action -
Here is the link:
The $75.00 Award for any of you to Walk Your Talk. (Or is it just that 100% talk?)
QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Apr 26 2007, 11:15 PM) [snapback]1647774[/snapback]
A linear flow? Excuse me but can you please explain to me exactly how you do this!
Seriously, I'm curious!
Seriously, I'm curious!
it is easy , you must hold your hands in a distance obout 10 or 15 cm , like you were holding a ball ,
than focus on the breathing and in a couple of minutes a linear flow is made from one hand to another .
I can say this if we brought something to the table credible, what awould it matter because you would just try and science it up to some type of new law of the universe as you think that science is the one true tool for the ultimate laws of the universe. No it is only this planet becuase we are so small we do not know what is out there becuase for all you know species out there live by more advanced rules and laws that do not limit what we can do but give solutions to do better.
And Dragonwick I already told yo that this is not a religion and your belief is not important to me but mines is and if yo cannot see the world beyond technology and science then what are you other than a meat puppet with a brain only limited to the physical part of reality. As consciousnessis very difficult and you most likely cannot explain it or even know that there is a body consciousness, mind consciousness, and spiritual consciousness that make up the individual being that you are and all has to begrouped and make another consciousness all the way to the universe and further. So you see there is so muc beyond what we call just physical reality meaning that there is a life beyond our five senses meaning that you don't know what is possible when your mind is closed off from other possibilities out there. Knowledge only comes to you through other people showing you proof and intelligence that you can read from. Not to be cruel but don't you think that is simple and stuck in the corner of the box as you only look at the earth being the only planet, humans being the only advanced society, and physical being the only reality seen beyond the eyes.
Just one question because of the existence of psi. Could you belive or think that sound is real if you were born deaf not never knowing what sound is only to close your mind and never try to see sound for what it is??
DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.
And Dragonwick I already told yo that this is not a religion and your belief is not important to me but mines is and if yo cannot see the world beyond technology and science then what are you other than a meat puppet with a brain only limited to the physical part of reality. As consciousnessis very difficult and you most likely cannot explain it or even know that there is a body consciousness, mind consciousness, and spiritual consciousness that make up the individual being that you are and all has to begrouped and make another consciousness all the way to the universe and further. So you see there is so muc beyond what we call just physical reality meaning that there is a life beyond our five senses meaning that you don't know what is possible when your mind is closed off from other possibilities out there. Knowledge only comes to you through other people showing you proof and intelligence that you can read from. Not to be cruel but don't you think that is simple and stuck in the corner of the box as you only look at the earth being the only planet, humans being the only advanced society, and physical being the only reality seen beyond the eyes.
Just one question because of the existence of psi. Could you belive or think that sound is real if you were born deaf not never knowing what sound is only to close your mind and never try to see sound for what it is??
Mind plus body equals an individual soul
Body plus soul equals a needy mind
Soul plus mind equals a responsive body
Mind plus body plus soul equals a responsive, needy individual!!!
Body plus soul equals a needy mind
Soul plus mind equals a responsive body
Mind plus body plus soul equals a responsive, needy individual!!!
DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.
QUOTE(Dragonwick @ Apr 26 2007, 06:36 PM) [snapback]1647932[/snapback]
Exactly! And, I will ask the same of you! Why are you waisting your time if you can't prove what you do?
Doesn't it seem a bit pointless if you have nothing to show as evidence! You know as well as,
I do that when you talk about these amazing abilities that you will be asked to prove it.
Doesn't it seem a bit pointless if you have nothing to show as evidence! You know as well as,
I do that when you talk about these amazing abilities that you will be asked to prove it.
did i say i had abilities? did i say i had proof? did i say anywhere in my post that i could even do half the things that people say they can do here? i sure as hell don't see those claims. i never said that I was trying to prove anything.
i will not argue this topic. it's pointles, it's childish, it's futile. i will not engage in an arguement that cannot be won nor will i spam this thread further with meaningless chatter.
if you wish to argue this further, send me a private message and we can argue 'till the day of judgement if you wish.
QUOTE(mysticart1987 @ Apr 27 2007, 12:43 PM) [snapback]1649184[/snapback]
I can say this if we brought something to the table credible, what awould it matter because you would just try and science it up to some type of new law of the universe as you think that science is the one true tool for the ultimate laws of the universe. No it is only this planet becuase we are so small we do not know what is out there becuase for all you know species out there live by more advanced rules and laws that do not limit what we can do but give solutions to do better.
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DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.
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DhA...OraCle
-Randy W.
Wow - a lot of words, Randy to prove "AVOIDANCE OF THE FACTS" - nicely played
- But all you've said is:
"Jj - I cannot supply you w/any evidence because I have none to give. I know that I cannot make this 'work' on video or in the presense of someone else."
That's all you've done: Avoidance of the facts.
You avoid the fact by saying, "we wouldn't buy it..." but you have NO PROOF of that - because No one has provided any credible proof. So you come up w/another totally lame excuse to Avoid the fact: This just doesn't work and is totally SUBJECTIVE.
I have already put a challenge on the table w/$$. I've put my money where my mouth is and I've outlined it very clearly and well - it seem your "camp" cannot do the same - "Put up or Shut up"- wonder why that is??
I have outlined it very specifically what must be met. So call my bluff - take the challenge and make me look like a fool (if you can - I dare you, please.) - then I'm out $75.00 and you've proved your Powers To Be....
I'm not looking for 'answers',, I'm looking for credible proof! There are a lot of things science admits that they have NO answers to yet, for a lot of various things. But the credible evidence is there. So there, I just killed that argument.
So now what are you going to do or say? Another long winded excuse?? (Another AVOIDANCE OF THE FACTS) If so - don't bother - just fess up - you or the others simply cannot meet the challenge. It's just that simple!
Now here is what I would like you to honestly do:
Tell me if you could produce your 'powers' w/this set up. Not asking if you think I would believe it or not - Can you produce a video proving TK w/the Pin Wheel w/this set up?
Yes?
No?
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ Apr 25 2007, 04:57 PM) [snapback]1646405[/snapback]
Here in lies the clear cut challenge w/the Pin (Psi) Wheel:
As stated to Matt's attempt -
I will put up $75.00 to anyone that can create an HONEST video using the PIN WHEEL to show Psi (TK):
Not using any Remote Control devices or Hidden Devices:
Illussions
Secondary "Power Sources", ie:
----- Electronic Pumps,
----- Motors,
----- Fans,
----- Heater,
----- Coolers and such.
----- Any IR (Inferred) Control Devices
----- Any Laser or Light technology.
In other words be Accountable to be HONEST.
This test must be done w/the following conditions:
A.
Clear see through table top.
B.
Feather, Tolet paper strips or other super light weight material placed loose on the table inside the bowel w/the Pin Wheel.
C.
Nothing under the bowl except the clear table top. Thus seeing all the way through at all times.
Edited: - Because of the above post w/light - heaters and such. I thought this was listed here and realized I 'mixed' the two posts up:
** The paper pin wheel must be white 100% paper. NO speciality paper.
On person just IM'd me showing me his video w/Tracing Paper. That would be fine.
Rule of thumb -
You must be accountably HONEST. Dis-Honesty intended or not - will void this agreement and seen as an act of fraud.
** Cannot be near any Spot light, heat lamps, heater vents, windows. Must be protected as is possible from these sources.
D.
Your Face and Both hands MUST be visible in the video at all times.
E.
Your hands must be 12 inches or more from the bowl during the TK Demo.
F.
Volume on the video must be ON. So we can hear what is taking place.
There must be NO pause or Edit 'blips' during the demo.
This will be reviewed for this by a local expert that I know and trust. He knows what to look for - he does this for a living for the past 25 years.
G.
You must give at least a 5+ foot FOV (Field Of View) of the Table during the demo.
H.
You must give before the test a 360 degree view of the room where you are before the test.
I.
IF there is anyone else w/you during the video and demo - they MUST be made known.
J.
You must tell us which direction the pin wheel will spin and it MUST spin in that direction. Then Stop it via TK and spin it in the oposite direction.
... Then show the video online to the group ... This is the first phase of the video.
After it has been viewed and validated that you met all the above:
** I will deposit $25.00 in your PayPal or other online Account for gas to do the next part.
You will give me your City & State where you live.
I will contact local High School or Community College to find a Science teacher that will have you come in and video the EXACT demo w/the exact same equipment. They will inspect it and then you are to do the video as you presented above. The teacher at the end will validate that NO Tricks or "side steps" were taken and that indeed this was done by no other explination then "TK".
** If this video then passes you will recieve the remainder of the $75.00 into your PayPal or other online account.
*** BUT - If it is found that you used any kind of tricks or other acts of dishonesty - You will need to pay back the $25.00 and apologize to the group for your act of Fraud.
As stated to Matt's attempt -
I will put up $75.00 to anyone that can create an HONEST video using the PIN WHEEL to show Psi (TK):
Not using any Remote Control devices or Hidden Devices:
Illussions
Secondary "Power Sources", ie:
----- Electronic Pumps,
----- Motors,
----- Fans,
----- Heater,
----- Coolers and such.
----- Any IR (Inferred) Control Devices
----- Any Laser or Light technology.
In other words be Accountable to be HONEST.
This test must be done w/the following conditions:
A.
Clear see through table top.
B.
Feather, Tolet paper strips or other super light weight material placed loose on the table inside the bowel w/the Pin Wheel.
C.
Nothing under the bowl except the clear table top. Thus seeing all the way through at all times.
Edited: - Because of the above post w/light - heaters and such. I thought this was listed here and realized I 'mixed' the two posts up:
** The paper pin wheel must be white 100% paper. NO speciality paper.
On person just IM'd me showing me his video w/Tracing Paper. That would be fine.
Rule of thumb -
You must be accountably HONEST. Dis-Honesty intended or not - will void this agreement and seen as an act of fraud.
** Cannot be near any Spot light, heat lamps, heater vents, windows. Must be protected as is possible from these sources.
D.
Your Face and Both hands MUST be visible in the video at all times.
E.
Your hands must be 12 inches or more from the bowl during the TK Demo.
F.
Volume on the video must be ON. So we can hear what is taking place.
There must be NO pause or Edit 'blips' during the demo.
This will be reviewed for this by a local expert that I know and trust. He knows what to look for - he does this for a living for the past 25 years.
G.
You must give at least a 5+ foot FOV (Field Of View) of the Table during the demo.
H.
You must give before the test a 360 degree view of the room where you are before the test.
I.
IF there is anyone else w/you during the video and demo - they MUST be made known.
J.
You must tell us which direction the pin wheel will spin and it MUST spin in that direction. Then Stop it via TK and spin it in the oposite direction.
... Then show the video online to the group ... This is the first phase of the video.
After it has been viewed and validated that you met all the above:
** I will deposit $25.00 in your PayPal or other online Account for gas to do the next part.
You will give me your City & State where you live.
I will contact local High School or Community College to find a Science teacher that will have you come in and video the EXACT demo w/the exact same equipment. They will inspect it and then you are to do the video as you presented above. The teacher at the end will validate that NO Tricks or "side steps" were taken and that indeed this was done by no other explination then "TK".
** If this video then passes you will recieve the remainder of the $75.00 into your PayPal or other online account.
*** BUT - If it is found that you used any kind of tricks or other acts of dishonesty - You will need to pay back the $25.00 and apologize to the group for your act of Fraud.
I have a quick question now...
Why is it, when anyone starts a thread, whether it be for psiballs, telekinesis, teleportation, astral travel, remote viewing, possession, etc etc that someone will ALWAYS intervene in the middle of the thread and say "it can't be done!!" - they say it as if it is the be all and end all, as if they have all knowledge - in fact as if they have some private knowledge regarding this event.
The real facts are this: because the non-believer has not had anything regarding the subject happen to them, they figure it cannot be, however there is not one person who is searching spiritually that has had ALL things happen to them, therefore some events are not of their experience.
Personally, I say "never say never", by that I mean, never, EVER say something cannot be done. Nobody knows this for sure, it probably turns out that everything is possible IF you have the key, not all of us have the key to everything however.
PSIballs? I have no idea whether they are possible, however, I wouldn't say they are impossible - why, for instance can someone NOT externalise their own energy. Just because I cannot do it (as far as I am aware lol) does not mean it cannot be done - someone may be able to do it however. Just because I cannot move something with my mind when I wish to, does not mean someone cannot do it.
The real crunch however, is that the original poster wasn't asking if it were possible to create PSIballs, they were in fact, saying they had and who are any of us to dispute that fact.
I can do astral travel and I know many people completely disbelieve that it can be done. "Prove it!" they say, I say "How???" not only that, I say "Why the bloody hell should I?"
All this shooting others down gets tedious, it is thread after thread, believers against non-believers. It sure would be nice to see a thread whereby everyone genuinely discussed some events, without someone butting in with the same old statement, namely "It doesn't exist".
Discussion is one thing, arrogance is another
Why is it, when anyone starts a thread, whether it be for psiballs, telekinesis, teleportation, astral travel, remote viewing, possession, etc etc that someone will ALWAYS intervene in the middle of the thread and say "it can't be done!!" - they say it as if it is the be all and end all, as if they have all knowledge - in fact as if they have some private knowledge regarding this event.
The real facts are this: because the non-believer has not had anything regarding the subject happen to them, they figure it cannot be, however there is not one person who is searching spiritually that has had ALL things happen to them, therefore some events are not of their experience.
Personally, I say "never say never", by that I mean, never, EVER say something cannot be done. Nobody knows this for sure, it probably turns out that everything is possible IF you have the key, not all of us have the key to everything however.
PSIballs? I have no idea whether they are possible, however, I wouldn't say they are impossible - why, for instance can someone NOT externalise their own energy. Just because I cannot do it (as far as I am aware lol) does not mean it cannot be done - someone may be able to do it however. Just because I cannot move something with my mind when I wish to, does not mean someone cannot do it.
The real crunch however, is that the original poster wasn't asking if it were possible to create PSIballs, they were in fact, saying they had and who are any of us to dispute that fact.
I can do astral travel and I know many people completely disbelieve that it can be done. "Prove it!" they say, I say "How???" not only that, I say "Why the bloody hell should I?"
All this shooting others down gets tedious, it is thread after thread, believers against non-believers. It sure would be nice to see a thread whereby everyone genuinely discussed some events, without someone butting in with the same old statement, namely "It doesn't exist".
Discussion is one thing, arrogance is another
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Apr 27 2007, 03:09 PM) [snapback]1649340[/snapback]
I have a quick question now...
Why is it, when anyone starts a thread, whether it be for psiballs, telekinesis, teleportation, astral travel, remote viewing, possession, etc etc that someone will ALWAYS intervene in the middle of the thread and say "it can't be done!!" - they say it as if it is the be all and end all, as if they have all knowledge - in fact as if they have some private knowledge regarding this event.
Why is it, when anyone starts a thread, whether it be for psiballs, telekinesis, teleportation, astral travel, remote viewing, possession, etc etc that someone will ALWAYS intervene in the middle of the thread and say "it can't be done!!" - they say it as if it is the be all and end all, as if they have all knowledge - in fact as if they have some private knowledge regarding this event.
I can answer this question quite easily:
Let's take Remote Viewing, since that is in your list. Why is RV'ing not debunked or passed off? Because it HAS been well documented w/credible evidence and "checks & balances" - even by the strongest of Skeptics. See the "claim was made", then it was "challenged" and the RV'ers stood up and delievered. They didn't back down, they didn't make lame excuses or 'well the skeptics won't believe it so why bother?' - No they stood up and delievered. The evidence was there, it was credible and so then the dialogs of the dynamics that took place are good ones. Because we have valid, credible evidence/proof.
Now let's take "Psi Balls" and Pin (Psi) Wheels; Here is where the above is MISSING. This is ALL TALK and NO ACTIONS. What do we have to dialog? Nothing, because no one can PUT UP, like those who proved RV'ing. Both are actually one of two things going on:
A: It's obvious science being scammed and passed off as "Psi Powers"
- Funny thing is when you take steps to create a viable and credible demonstration, once you remove the actual science from it, you also remove the "Psi Power".
- Then UNLIKE the RV'ers - they make lame excuses and long winded "Avoidance of the Fact". The RV'ers took the skeptics look them in the eye and said, "Here, does this work for you?" - Yes it did and case is closed.
So the question is: Why can't the "Psi Ballers, Psi Wheeler" (dealers) do the same thing? We would love to dialog proof and evidence. Not excuses and avoidances.
Does that answer your question??
QUOTE(Jjbreen @ Apr 27 2007, 11:26 PM) [snapback]1649358[/snapback]
I can answer this question quite easily:
Let's take Remote Viewing, since that is in your list. Why is RV'ing not debunked or passed off? Because it HAS been well documented w/credible evidence and "checks & balances" - even by the strongest of Skeptics. See the "claim was made", then it was "challenged" and the RV'ers stood up and delievered. They didn't back down, they didn't make lame excuses or 'well the skeptics won't believe it so why bother?' - No they stood up and delievered. The evidence was there, it was credible and so then the dialogs of the dynamics that took place are good ones. Because we have valid, credible evidence/proof.
Now let's take "Psi Balls" and Pin (Psi) Wheels; Here is where the above is MISSING. This is ALL TALK and NO ACTIONS. What do we have to dialog? Nothing, because no one can PUT UP, like those who proved RV'ing. Both are actually one of two things going on:
A: It's obvious science being scammed and passed off as "Psi Powers"
- Funny thing is when you take steps to create a viable and credible demonstration, once you remove the actual science from it, you also remove the "Psi Power".
- Then UNLIKE the RV'ers - they make lame excuses and long winded "Avoidance of the Fact". The RV'ers took the skeptics look them in the eye and said, "Here, does this work for you?" - Yes it did and case is closed.
So the question is: Why can't the "Psi Ballers, Psi Wheeler" (dealers) do the same thing? We would love to dialog proof and evidence. Not excuses and avoidances.
Does that answer your question??
Let's take Remote Viewing, since that is in your list. Why is RV'ing not debunked or passed off? Because it HAS been well documented w/credible evidence and "checks & balances" - even by the strongest of Skeptics. See the "claim was made", then it was "challenged" and the RV'ers stood up and delievered. They didn't back down, they didn't make lame excuses or 'well the skeptics won't believe it so why bother?' - No they stood up and delievered. The evidence was there, it was credible and so then the dialogs of the dynamics that took place are good ones. Because we have valid, credible evidence/proof.
Now let's take "Psi Balls" and Pin (Psi) Wheels; Here is where the above is MISSING. This is ALL TALK and NO ACTIONS. What do we have to dialog? Nothing, because no one can PUT UP, like those who proved RV'ing. Both are actually one of two things going on:
A: It's obvious science being scammed and passed off as "Psi Powers"
- Funny thing is when you take steps to create a viable and credible demonstration, once you remove the actual science from it, you also remove the "Psi Power".
- Then UNLIKE the RV'ers - they make lame excuses and long winded "Avoidance of the Fact". The RV'ers took the skeptics look them in the eye and said, "Here, does this work for you?" - Yes it did and case is closed.
So the question is: Why can't the "Psi Ballers, Psi Wheeler" (dealers) do the same thing? We would love to dialog proof and evidence. Not excuses and avoidances.
Does that answer your question??
Not really, I am saying that why the hell should anyone have to prove anything?
The ones asking for proof are those that don't believe, no amount of "proof" will suffice anyway. The only proof they will accept is if they suddenly find they can do it themselves, which will be virtually impossible because, to do, you must believe in the first place.
Bit of a catch 22 situation really.
You say there is proof regarding remote viewing, however, you will find on this forum that there are quite a few that do not believe in such a thing, EVEN though there has been documented evidence.
If there is one thing I have learned in this life, it is to keep an open mind, because if I didn't, I am damned sure that it will hit me with what seems like a sledgehammer one day, rather than a gentle tap.
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Apr 27 2007, 04:15 PM) [snapback]1649431[/snapback]
Not really, I am saying that why the hell should anyone have to prove anything?
The ones asking for proof are those that don't believe, no amount of "proof" will suffice anyway. The only proof they will accept is if they suddenly find they can do it themselves, which will be virtually impossible because, to do, you must believe in the first place.
Bit of a catch 22 situation really.
You say there is proof regarding remote viewing, however, you will find on this forum that there are quite a few that do not believe in such a thing, EVEN though there has been documented evidence.
If there is one thing I have learned in this life, it is to keep an open mind, because if I didn't, I am damned sure that it will hit me with what seems like a sledgehammer one day, rather than a gentle tap.
The ones asking for proof are those that don't believe, no amount of "proof" will suffice anyway. The only proof they will accept is if they suddenly find they can do it themselves, which will be virtually impossible because, to do, you must believe in the first place.
Bit of a catch 22 situation really.
You say there is proof regarding remote viewing, however, you will find on this forum that there are quite a few that do not believe in such a thing, EVEN though there has been documented evidence.
If there is one thing I have learned in this life, it is to keep an open mind, because if I didn't, I am damned sure that it will hit me with what seems like a sledgehammer one day, rather than a gentle tap.
But see that's a 'cop out' to me. Actually I am very open to credible evidence. Yes I know that there are some would debunk anything and everything - but that's not the majority of us in here. That is the minority, IMO.
Why the 'hell should anyone ahve to prove anything?'
The answer is simple. It has been the standard for centuries. (Actually it would be better to ask, why are we suddenly not expecting evidence or proof? Why are we suddenly just willing to believe any little thing that comes along?)
Anyone that made an 'extraordinary claim' of their time - would and are expected to 'prove it'. From "Apples fall because of Gravity" - to - "Earth is NOT the center of the Solar System or the Galaxy or the Universe" - to - "The world is not flat" - to - "steam engines", "gas engines", "rockets going to the moon" to "man can fly..." It is expected to be shown credible proof. This has ALWAYS BEEN THE STANDARD. Except when it comes to the area of "religious beliefs". Then faith is accepted and understood. But these claims are not being made on the basis of "faith" or "Religion" - they are be presented as F A C T S -=- when NONE have been provided. So how is it we are suppose to dialog on people presenting things as FACTS when they have none, zero, zip.
Again to argue that we wouldn't accept credible or valid proof is not true or accurate.
At least for me - I would certainly accept it and WELCOME it. I've even put money up to welcome it. So no, I do not accept "hear say" - I've seen videos that were pass off as "Psi" where Science was clearly at play and at work, no question marks. I've seen illussions, tricks and scams passed off. I've seen people go to desperate levels to prove their POWER only to wind up w/mud on their faces because they were found out. They admitted it and left very EMO that they didn't "pull it off".
Not ALL Skeptics are just pure debunkers - most of the ones I know are honestly wanting, actually, to see real and credible proof. But that always seems to be sorely missing: Credible and Honest Proof. Remove the Science you remove the "Psi" -
BTW: Good dialog!
thanks!! QUOTE(Jjbreen @ Apr 28 2007, 01:56 AM) [snapback]1649474[/snapback]
they are be presented as F A C T S
Indeed, there's a small but very important difference between saying "I believe I can make a psy-ball" and "I can make a psy-ball"
QUOTE(CuteCandy @ Apr 1 2007, 06:22 AM) [snapback]1608535[/snapback]
yes, but what happens in head, manifests in this reality...
You say that as if it were a fact.
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They can be used to send thoughts and feelings, alert you of something, etc. That's only when you're very advanced, though.
Basically, psiballs are used to learn how to manipulate energy. Energy manipulation leads onto bigger skills.
Basically, psiballs are used to learn how to manipulate energy. Energy manipulation leads onto bigger skills.
Wow, just wow. You making this up as you go along?
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Sorry skeptics, I have no evidence, and I'm sure you're all very happy to hear me admit that. I really don't care.
This thread is not the place for your skepticism. I'm done wasting my time with you here.
This thread is not the place for your skepticism. I'm done wasting my time with you here.
...........Your trying to "teach" something that you have no evidence even exists? Stop trying to dodge the bullet by saying this is no place for skeptism. We are free to debate such bull here, and you know it. If you were a true "teacher" you would stop advoiding questions. No evidence, no theory, no service.
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You could use psiballs for healing, yes, but it's rather indirect. It'd be easier to just send energy to the wound directly.
Your kidding me, right? I can't even respond to that.
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I find proof for myself, as do other psions.
Whoah, whoah, whoah, didn't you just say that you have no evidence? Evidence= Proof.
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No, I'm sure whatever I would do wouldn't be good enough for you. I'm not even going to attempt to humor you.
Hmm....your "powers" are good enough that you can help others reach theirs, and yet you can't even humour him for 75$?
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That's not our problem.
Yes, it is! That is only your problem and your problem only.
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because people like you find every possible way to shoot it down. so why bother? you are probably never going to believe, nor do i give a **** if you ever do, it is pointless to offer proof. you know this as well as i. so why, then, are you wasting your words here?
Yeah, I'll give a **** when one of you actual supports a good enough arguement. All of you are advoiding one thing: proof (also known as evidence) to support your wild and crazy claims.
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Not really, I am saying that why the hell should anyone have to prove anything?
The ones asking for proof are those that don't believe, no amount of "proof" will suffice anyway. The only proof they will accept is if they suddenly find they can do it themselves, which will be virtually impossible because, to do, you must believe in the first place.
Bit of a catch 22 situation really.
You say there is proof regarding remote viewing, however, you will find on this forum that there are quite a few that do not believe in such a thing, EVEN though there has been documented evidence.
If there is one thing I have learned in this life, it is to keep an open mind, because if I didn't, I am damned sure that it will hit me with what seems like a sledgehammer one day, rather than a gentle tap.
The ones asking for proof are those that don't believe, no amount of "proof" will suffice anyway. The only proof they will accept is if they suddenly find they can do it themselves, which will be virtually impossible because, to do, you must believe in the first place.
Bit of a catch 22 situation really.
You say there is proof regarding remote viewing, however, you will find on this forum that there are quite a few that do not believe in such a thing, EVEN though there has been documented evidence.
If there is one thing I have learned in this life, it is to keep an open mind, because if I didn't, I am damned sure that it will hit me with what seems like a sledgehammer one day, rather than a gentle tap.
You need that proof to back your arguement, because if not you cannot support your claims. If you have nothing to back you, then you are just going in circles.
jj id just like to say that if psiballs/wheels do exist it would always be science
there is no such thing as "supernatural". if it exists then it is obviously natural.
just had to get that off my shoulders ^^
there is no such thing as "supernatural". if it exists then it is obviously natural.
just had to get that off my shoulders ^^
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