Welcome to UM. We likes new people. *Pats empty spot next to her* You can sit with me. Your first post and you gave it to US. We are honored. I make a decent cup of coffee. I'll even put flavor and stuff in it if you want. I am relieved that you do not want to know us biblically, because this is not that kind of site. We very much look forward to getting to know you.

Yo zandore take a chill pill and relax man. No ones holding a gun to your head and making you do something you dont want too. You dont have to get upset because I ask myself the same question as to why does God kill. If you read the whole stories on those verses you posted it actually explains WHY God did those things..... but why does He have to kill?....I DONT KNOW!....how is killing justified? i dont know that either...you know just as much as I do about it. All I know is this, If your going to believe ANYTHING that the bible says dont pick and choose what you want to argue about and then leave out other truths that are tied too it (and that goes for me too) because not only does it say that God killed but it also says that God is just and He is a good God. He also sent His son to die, something that was prophesied 700 years before Christ was even born...and that was how grace was imputed to everyone that would receive it. This argueing isnt getting us anywhere anytime fast so I think its time to just let it be....

HOLY POSTS...he is BACK OMG its zannie LOL where have you been??


YO sheri get your arse in here Zannie is back from the grave LOL

ehh who dug you up anyhoo?? LOL

I suggest, that if what you say is true, then don't piss him off, or he might put you on his hit list!!

hehehehe....

zannies' sort of like that,,,You ask a quetion he'll get you the answer...LOL


hair may i ask about the just and good god.....can you post up some info on this please???

And the main reason he/she/it did this was.....because these other people did not want to believe in that deity (I.E. different belief).



Out side of your Bible (it happened to be mine also at one time) how much CONTEMPORARY evidence is there for this so called "son of God"?


I will give you a clue.....very little


OH I forgot Welcome to UM!

Glad you have vented zandore

9 to 11 hours a day in front of a computer....I tend to get tired of it.



In truth (as history shows) it would be a follower of his/hers/it's



Yeah....half truths have always been a pet peeve of mine.

A lie buried among truth.



*the sound of crickets*

I don't really think they (MODS) would like me if I was to vent.

Not different belief, after all if you accept that God did this, then you must also accept that He IS the Creator, and therefore, it was not different belief it was rebellion.


More than there is for Julius Caesar.

lol you seem like a funny guy



right on

I think Son made a fine observation. For christians that turn from god, Atheism may be perceived as a rebellion. However for those that are Atheists not out of rebellion, they are people that do not believe in anything that may be believed to encompass what are understood as deific characteristics. So since there is no god, to the Atheist, there is no thing that can have ever been done by god, so as to not believe and therefore rebel against it, that does not exist. So I think that's a fine characterization in that not all Atheists have been so. Some are former theists that simply had a change of mind, in giving their hope and faith to something they've come to decide does not exist. Is that rebellion or personal revolution!? That would of course be an individual and personal matter.

But what of all the people that have never believed in the Abrahamic deity....that do not accept (never have or gave it up)....must we still (as you put it) accept that he is the creator?

Your post sounded a little self centered (toward your belief) for even you.




Where?

More evidence for Jesus?

Iams.....there is more contemporary evidence for St. Nicholas (you know the jolly old fellow in the red suit) then there is for your "son of God".

Just so you do not misunderstand me again I am talking about this guy \/ \/ \/

Uh, you were responding to hairston's post. hairston was talking about the God of the Bible, I did not turn this conversation over to speaking about that God, you were already talking about Him. I just pointed out that if you were going to actually credit Him for killing a bunch of people, then you were also going to have to credit Him with being the Creator God.

Zannie -- wow slow down there...........you need to realize that it's called a faith for a reason...if you bang on about how someones God has killed..then you are painting a picture of someone that BELIEVES it to be true..therefore Zannie...wheeeeeee lil do you realize you are sounding more like a believer in the harshnes of religious text lol

If you at some point accept the existence of a spiritual world, then at some point also you have to accept the creation of our physical world by one deity or other. The only exceptions to this are atheists who do not believe in anything but the physical and corporeal universe.

Which are you?

Still waiting.....


That is because I use their own texts against them.


Ex-Christian.

I stop short (for some unknown reason) of calling myself an Atheist.....perhaps it might be a hold over.

EDIT: You do not need to believe in a deity to be spiritual which I am not.

I KNOW that LOL...but it does look as though you do believe in their texts, in order to argue the point

So, not a christian anymore but not so far gone as to claim you're an atheist.

Well then, that would put in the camp of the skeptics...

I would define a skeptic as one who doubts the existence of God because there is no concrete proof one way or the other to demonstrste his existence, but does not go as far as an atheist who categorically rejects the existence of any deity or any supernatural elements in existence.

You cannot really be an atheist and believe in the existence of a spiritual world. By spiritual world I mean a supernatural extension of our physical world. One that would include spirit creatures like angels, demons and so forth.

That might be so but it does not mean I still believe in the Christian dogma still

I also thank you for your concern but i did not return to the insanity of religion.



If I must wear a label then you can put an Atheist tag on me.....but I will still not call myself one.

As I said 'Ex-Christian'.



Read my above comment....it applies here also



In 8,342 post here (in this forum alone) you will not see at any time me saying that I am even spiritual.

A skeptic can be anything....not just aimed at believing there is no God....I call myself part skeptic, and I believe in God, I am skeptic of the man made bible is all

Others can be skeptic about ghosts, angles, aliens ect too...many kinds of skeptics

You yourself are skeptical on the notion that there is no God...you find it HARD to believe that there is no God...dont you??

Very good question BM

Well its true...a christian like Jor is a skeptic in their own right....they will find it hard to believe there is no God...hence the reason as to WHY that also makes them skeptics

would like to see if they can tell me im wrong? LOL

Actually BM, you are part correct and part wrong. No I'm not a skeptic as far as God is concerned but I'm also not a skeptic when it comes to considering the idea that there is no God at all. If there is a God I'm at peace with my concience, if there is no God I still continue to be at peace with my concience.

As for finding it hard not to believe there is no God? I find it really doesn't matter in the end, either way, at least for myself.

If there is a God, there is also a heaven and a hell, according to scripture. If so I believe I will be in heaven because in the end that is what a christians salvation means.

If there is no God I will have lived as a good man with as clean a conscience as possible, and will not have lost out either way.

St. Paul himself said much the same thing in the New Testament, if I remember correctly.

We all wear labels Zandore, it's part of human nature to tag and label all things in our minds so that we can sort out the different types of information and catagorize it.

A label can be a judgement or it can equally be a description of a fact. Either way it is not negative unless that judgement is meant to belittle someone.