why is it that ALL the ufo sightings are circular? why arent they more advanced, like on star trek voyager? what keeps them up? is it some sort of hover prepultion device? and why hasnt anyone actually made contact, and reported it? will we ever make contact? maybe someday we will. wow i just realized thats the first non-question ive typed.


so many questions, will they ever be answered. . . we would need to actually communicate with them, but even physical language might be different. why dont they come, are they afraid? if they are then it is too bad, i have always wanted to meet an alien. but why is every picture of an alien the same? a green body with a big head and two BIG eyes?

I beleive aliens are smarter than to openly comed own to earth and introduce themselves - could you imagine the media? lol, also, maybe they DO have larger ships, and the flying saucers are merely smaller craft deployed from the larger ships? who knows!

lol yea, who knows, maybe they are like shuttles, while we are working on experimental little triangular space craft, at least thats what that one topic was talking about, they might have hundreds of thousands of warships in space, with some sort of speed of light X 2000 warp engine. it would be bad.

most the UFO's i've seen were either triangular or cigar shaped....it's a myth they are all saucers.

UFOs come in a variety of shapes and sizes.

The shape has something to do with the gravity on earth

Even now we can't make antgravity ship if it is not in shape of a "plate" lol

The smarter ones can make it in other shapesbut not very diferent from the "original"

At least I think

Not all of the reported UFOs have a 'saucer shape' to them -- these days, it really varies.

From all that I have seen on the subject, it seems that UFOs appear to commonly be either triangular , cigar shaped , or saucer shaped. And not just in the US, all over the world, and not just in modern accounts , but in older sightings as well.

An interesting coincidence, just as everyone seems to see the same aliens with the basic "greys" structure.

Maybe, some pictures of flying saucers were really flying plates. Since the Kenneth Arnold "saucer" term came into use, many "hobby" photos probably reinforced the notion of a round, skipping object. Even though Arnold only said the curved objects skipped like saucers on water.

What would have been the response, if Kenneth Arnold (in 1947) had used the term plates, instead of saucers. Or, "skipping rocks". Or, silver dollars? Or, just discs?

I think it was Adamski who figured you could use a tubular transport ship for saucer shaped objects. Thus, his images reflect his belief, and which was sold along with his books.

Popular ideas aside, the idea of an alien rocketship is easy to disprove. It is harder to disprove a floating device. Except, that there was a report of a landing, in New Mexico, of an oval-shaped thing.

As for propulsion, if it truly floats, and is heavier than air, then there is no popular explanation. Except for the so-called Townsend Brown disc.

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They use flying saucers because all the flying salad plates were still in the dishwasher.

Hi magnetar,

You make a valid point- but because it leads into the cultural influence argument-(which I personally used to support and thus wasted my time)- I feel it does need to be counter pointed.

Arnold himself did say they “flew like a saucer would if you skipped it across the water” but he also described the objects themselves as “flat like a pie pan”, “shaped like saucers,” and “half-moon shaped, oval in front and convex in the rear. ...they looked like a big flat disk.” (One of the objects, however, he would describe later as being almost crescent-shaped.) Arnold’s reported descriptions caught the media’s and the public’s fancy and gave rise to the terms flying saucer and flying disk.


Publicity and origins of term "flying saucer"

Arnold's account was first featured in a few late newspaper editions on June 25, appeared in numerous U.S. and Canadian papers (and some foreign newspapers) on June 26 and thereafter, often on the front page. Without exception, according to Bloecher, the Arnold story was initially related with a serious, even-handed tone. The first reporters to interview Arnold were Nolan Skiff and Bill Bequette of the Pendleton East Oregonian on June 25, and the first story on the Arnold sighting, written by Bequette, appeared in the newspaper the same day.

Starting June 27, newspapers first began using the terms "flying saucer" and "flying disk" (or "flying disc") to describe the sighted objects. Thus the Arnold sighting is credited with giving rise to these popular terms. The actual origin of the terms is somewhat controversial and complicated. Jerome Clark cites a 1970 study by Herbert Strentz, who reviewed U.S. newspaper accounts of the Arnold UFO sighting, and concluded that the term was probably due to an editor or headline writer: the body of the early Arnold news stories did not use the term "flying saucer" or "flying disc." However, earlier stories did in fact credit Arnold with using terms such as "saucer", "disk", and "pie-pan" in describing the shape.

For example, in a surviving recorded radio interview from June 25, Arnold described them as looking "something like a pie plate that was cut in half with a sort of a convex triangle in the rear." His motion descriptions were: "I noticed to the left of me a chain which looked to me like the tail of a Chinese kite, kind of weaving... they seemed to flip and flash in the sun, just like a mirror... they seemed to kind of weave in and out right above the mountaintops



Kenneth Arnold's drawing to Army Air Forces (AAF) intelligence, July 12, 1947

Worth a read, well researched -Kenneth Arnold

To complicate the shape descriptions further, a month after his sighting, Arnold was to become involved in the bizarre Maury island incident. Arnold was dispatched by a magazine publisher to Tacoma to investigate it, although he eventually turned the investigation over to the AAF.



like it. Is this a confirmed hoax yet?

Also, there's is the possibility that the flying saucer was invented by humans - we think of aliens as beings with far superior technology, and back when UFOs were first being sighted, saucer-shaped aircraft was almost impossible to build as it is one of the most awkward shapes for flying (proven by the fact that the US government was spending huge amounts of money and time trying to complete one of these aircraft). However, if aliens are so superior, they can easily use the dodgiest of shapes for flying: hence the sightings of saucers, cigars and triangles.

There may have been a concept design at one point. I remember the Nazis were trying to build a saucer-shaped aircraft back in the 40s.. however, it was MUCH too unstable to fly.

Adding to the fact that round aricraft was far too hard to build at the time

I do believe that the Nazis successfully built a saucer craft.. if I'm not mistaken.

Okay, here's a picture of the Nazi aircraft:

But like you said yourself, it was MUCH too unstable to fly - saucer-technology was simply not perfected. So when people started seeing them, they immediately mistaked them for some sort of craft - but as in all experiences the craft makes no noise and moves smoothly, and as the people knew governments could simply not have mastered this technology yet, they started blaming aliens.

Personally, I beleive all UFO sightings can be explained (though I REALLY wanna know what exactly happened at roswell )

I beleive aliens have and do visit earth, but have much better ways of going about it!

I would say that you're on the wrong track here...IMO without doubt the most common UFO sighted these days is the...... Pearl or Sphere type UFO. Theres also no doubt that these are very very real ,and i dont need to prove that, theres hundreds of video's and photo's from all over the world of these type of craft. Check it out for yourself
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I believe the pearls and spheres are cloaks of the triangle ship....

The aliens had to use the saucer shape because they once tried to use cube shapes but the Borg got wind of it and sued them for copyright infringement........then assimilated them.

I saw that on Judge Judy .... They then tried to assimilate Judy but the Borg hive rejected her

Seriousy though, a Saucer or Spherical shape is immensley practical when flying through an atmosphere but becomes redundant in space

what if the saucers are coming off cigar shaped mother ships?.....

I think two type of craft would be a better idea for space travel. One main ship to travel across space then smaller craft to penetrate the atmosphere of planets. So I guess a cigar type ship like limited suggested would make a nice idea for the space travel part.

Disk shapes were popularized by the post Kenneth Arnold "flying saucer" phenomenon of the 40's and 50's. When something gets that much mass-media exposure, two things happen:

1. Researchers tend to emphasize UFO reports that conform to that shape and downplay those that don't.
2. Hoaxers hoax those shapes since they are more likely to be believed.

But UFOs have always been reported in a wide variety of shapes, including:

cigar, cylander, triangle, pyramid, diamond, chevron, sphere, acorn, even boxy shapes (see Chupa).

It has been said that with enough propulsion power, one could fly a brick. It is possible that whoever is building and operating these UFO's just happened to choose a shape that was cool looking. You have to admit, a saucer is a cool looking shape. While I am sure that practical, and well thought out engineering went it to these machines (if they are real), at some point practical becomes a little bit boring. Look at some of the devices we have built, cars are a great example. They all do the roughly the same job (get you from point A to but each has a different look and feel. Maybe some of the different UFO shapes that are encountered are just examples of a trend in design at the time each was built.

Good Journey.

Kyle Rajasthan.

Can you share about the UFOs that you have seen and give details for same?

RAMS

I always liked and favored this design for being highly effective in the vacuum of space.

RAMS

But nothing really beats design and size for sheer terror than this........

RAMS

You guys got it all wrong. They can shape change, like in Flight of the Navigator.

Because the aliens didn't like squares.

Ha Ha you are a joker

I have always loved this movie. It's just plain fun. The technology involved in the story is just awsome. If humans could ever learn to build a vehicle with that kind of capability, it can only be hoped that we would have the wisdom to use it properly. Yeah, right.

Good Journey.

kyle Rajasthan.

There is some unexplained man-made objecs that really interest me, like a square house. They just keep building their houses square. And the wind keeps tearing them down. Like, when will these people learn? Really, the worry will come when all of the UFOs rain down on this earth. Well, here are your UFOs:

Orbiting Junk, Once a Nuisance, Is Now a Threat
NASA
As the amount of debris orbiting Earth increases, so does the danger to spacecraft.

By WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: February 6, 2007
For decades, space experts have worried that a speeding bit of orbital debris might one day smash a large spacecraft into hundreds of pieces and start a chain reaction, a slow cascade of collisions that would expand for centuries, spreading chaos through the heavens.

In the last decade or so, as scientists came to agree that the number of objects in orbit had surpassed a critical mass — or, in their terms, the critical spatial density, the point at which a chain reaction becomes inevitable — they grew more anxious.

Early this year, after a half-century of growth, the federal list of detectable objects (four inches wide or larger) reached 10,000, including dead satellites, spent rocket stages, a camera, a hand tool and junkyards of whirling debris left over from chance explosions and destructive tests.

Now, experts say, China’s test on Jan. 11 of an antisatellite rocket that shattered an old satellite into hundreds of large fragments means the chain reaction will most likely start sooner. If their predictions are right, the cascade could put billions of dollars’ worth of advanced satellites at risk and eventually threaten to limit humanity’s reach for the stars.

Federal and private experts say that early estimates of 800 pieces of detectable debris from the shattering of the satellite will grow to nearly 1,000 as observations continue by tracking radars and space cameras. At either number, it is the worst such episode in space history.

Today, next year or next decade, some piece of whirling debris will start the cascade, experts say.

“It’s inevitable,” said Nicholas L. Johnson, chief scientist for orbital debris at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration. “A significant piece of debris will run into an old rocket body, and that will create more debris. It’s a bad situation.”

Geoffrey E. Forden, an arms expert at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology who is analyzing the Chinese satellite debris, said China perhaps failed to realize the magnitude of the test’s indirect hazards.

Dr. Forden suggested that Chinese engineers might have understood the risks but failed to communicate them. In China, he said, “the decision process is still so opaque that maybe they didn’t know who to talk to. Maybe you have a disconnect between the engineers and the people who think about policy.”

China, experts note, has 39 satellites of its own — many of them now facing a heightened risk of destruction.

Politically, the situation is delicate. In recent years China has played a growing international role in fighting the proliferation of space junk. In 2002, for instance, it joined with other spacefaring nations to suggest voluntary guidelines for debris control.

In April, Beijing is to play host to the annual meeting of the advocacy group, known as the Inter-Agency Space Debris Coordination Committee. Donald J. Kessler, a former head of the orbital debris program at NASA and a pioneer analyst of the space threat, said Chinese officials at the forum would probably feel “some embarrassment.”

Mr. Kessler said Western analysts agreed that China’s new satellite fragments would speed the chain reaction’s onset. “If the Chinese didn’t do the test, it would still happen,” he said. “It just wouldn’t happen as quickly.”

Last week in Beijing, a foreign ministry spokeswoman failed to respond directly to a debris question. Asked if the satellite’s remains would threaten other spacecraft, she asserted that China’s policy was to keep space free of weapons.

“We are ready to strengthen international cooperation in this regard,” the spokeswoman, Jiang Yu, told reporters.

Cascade warnings began as early as 1978. Mr. Kessler and his NASA colleague, Burton G. Cour-Palais, wrote in The Journal of Geophysical Research that speeding junk that formed more junk would produce “an exponential increase in the number of objects with time, creating a belt of debris around the Earth.”

During the cold war, Moscow and Washington generally ignored the danger and, from 1968 to 1986, conducted more than 20 tests of antisatellite arms that created clouds of jagged scraps. Often, they did so at low altitudes from which the resulting debris soon plunged earthward. Still, the number of objects grew as more nations launched rockets and satellites into orbit.

In 1995, as the count passed 8,000, the National Academy of Sciences warned in a thick report that some crowded orbits appeared to have already reached the “critical density” needed to sustain a chain reaction.

A year later, apprehension rose as the fuel tank of an abandoned American rocket engine exploded, breaking the craft into 713 detectable fragments — until now, the record.

Amid such developments, space experts identified the first collisions that threatened to start a chain reaction, putting analysts increasingly on edge.

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It makes you wonder when you look at a picture of all this junk in space is 'Do they have the same problem on Saturn?' Yes, they did! And the debris is starting to look like the rings of Saturn. The beings that are flying these UFOs have to be very careful now. That opens up another chapter of the Roswell Incident. One of the UFOs hit some of the space junk and crashed.

'Humans are so filthy!'

Watch for falling space toilets! Anyone remember the very short lived: Dead Like Me.... ??

On the house idea - several home designers and developers actually say, "That circlular homes would survive a lot better in the huricane and tornado zones. Now I will not even begin to pretend to understand this. But as they explain it to me, the concept seems to make a lot of sence. So who knows, maybe some day the days of square and rectangluar homes will be gone - or not.

Circular homes have more structural strength and the wind wraps around them easier making them more resistant.

So why not build them? Well think about it: houses are usually framed in in wood. It's much easier to build boxy things out of wood than it is for round things. More difficult shapes means more cost, and we tend to place a greater value on larger square footage than on structural strength. Some home builders build accordingly.

Wind does wrap around circular Homes. My Father and I built a Circular Home for him last year. He loves it, I really like it. We also used wood to build it.

You might just have something there!

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