you may want to look up the definition of atheist... then right after that... you may want to look up the word agnostic

still noone has answered my questions, what about the person who made this topic, why dont u answer them? ill tell u why, because u cant, the all loving god that you "know" simply doesnt exist, if he did then there wouldnt be famine, there wouldnt be plauge, and there wouldnt be premature death. there are many things in this world that are horrific, torturers, criminals, i wont say what kind because there are kids on teh site, but it simply is wrong how so many are victims of violence or poverty. your "god" is no more than a fairy tale, i am sorry if i come off strong but religion twists my sides till the bones break, i hate the very thought of it. please just answer my questions.

No bad taken. Although I'm now old enough to get hair on my chin, menopause

ok, i'll go ahead and answer this for you... you ASSUME that there isn't a God because YOU don't like that kind of stuff and don't see a reason for it... the fact is.... you are not God and you cannot say how a Supreme Being should or shouldn't operate...

OK in the spirit of cooperation I will explain how I came to the conclusion that there is no God as has been described by believers.
Here's how I came to the conclusion.

For a long time I believed in God but there were always points in all faiths that didn't add up to me. In other words this is supposed to be "GOD" not some head manager type guy but the grand creator of the universe. And yet in all the texts that I read there were always some silly stuff like "Don't have long hair if you are a man" or "Don't look at a woman's face" it just didn't add up to me that the big cheese out there would concern himself with something so petty. After a while I sorta pushed that aside and figured there were reasons for this that I didn't understand and perhaps it was just the easiest way for God to protect the people at the time because they weren't sophisticated enough to understand things. Like don't eat pork because at the time pigs were dirty animals so just ban pork instead of trying to teach them about bacteria right?
But after 911 I noticed two things. One was that after all the progress we had made in the world we were back to ground zero as far as what human beings were capable of doing in the name of "God" Seemed weird to me. I have no problem with God letting people die because who knows, perhaps they have a better existence perhaps its like Phoenix in X men, beyond our comprehension.

But I do have a problem with stuff being said to be done in God's name that God doesn't say "uh no, that's not in my name" He's curiously silent after having spoken to people forever. Why not come back and clear this up a bit. Then I started having conversations with born agains who were almost giddy during 911 because they felt the rapture was coming. And they really appalled me.

I wrote an angry letter to God saying that to say the physical earth as we know it, is not enough is not really giving us free will. And then I got mad at god for not making things clearer. Why not a flat book that simply states in plain and simple terms what the deal is. Why all these interpretations.

I kept trying to reconcile all the contradictions of not only the text but also the attributes of God. He's inventing the universe but concerned about a haircut length.

Finally as I tried and tried to reconcile, I came to this clear and vivid thought. Pretty much Occums razor. All this confusion and trying to make it make sense when suddenly I thought, the thing tha makes the most sense is that it is not true. If its not true that it makes a lot of sense. And then I felt a total relief on my mind. Like.........no kidding. Like I woke up.

Looking back I can't believe that I ever believed in God. I can't believe how much influence it had over my life and how much I had limited myself as a person because of a mythology. I had researched and researched not trying to disprove God, but simply to try to understand him. And I think a lot of atheists had this approach which is why they are often more versed in the history of religion and in other religions than just the one they were raised in. They were trying to make it make sense.

But it doesn't make sense. It doesn't add up. The flaws are too many to mention.

If you still believe that this is part of some huge huge plan I can respect that because perhaps you will find your way and faith helps.

But at the end as I live my life I feel like prior to this I was almost brainwashed, I don't suggest that believers are but I see the way when you believe your mind is clouded with faith, which is a good thing to some.

To me it was clouding my truth.

The fact that it doesn't add up the way the testaments say so and the fact that I am more at peace and happy since "waking up" are two of my own personal proofs that God as he is described by believers does not exist.

Why do you assume that you can't see truth unless you have experienced it, or that if you're a Christian and have never walked away from Christianity you are incapable of understanding something?

I've never experienced being African American, but I can understand the history of African Americans. I've never been a woman, but I can understand the frustration of being underestimated, (maybe not exactly in the way a woman does, but I understand it), I've never been a murderer, but I have a very clear understanding of why killing someone is wrong. To say, "You can't see both sides of the issue because you've never been on the other side," is a very thinly veiled way of saying, "You're ignorant, and I'm not."

Man has this thread gotten way out of hand...When I read the 1st statement, I thought...OK maybe this Guy is trying to say something here, maybe he will make a point and say - You cant prove God doesnt exist...just in the same way you cant expect, those of us that do in fact believe in God..to proove he does exist...but hey hey...I was wrong he is very much baised towards others opinions and at the same time throws them abuse.....
Sigh typical....just typical...but then he goes on to ignore others that ask him senseable questions...he dodges every last question and theory that makes sense
This makes sense to me BIG time...well said
Yup you are correct, it IS just down to a belief...something that not one person can proove right or wrong...but it gets worse
Now now tsk tsk...IAMS its not a tit for tat situation now is it??...I too have seen non believers ask where is the proof God exists...but never have i seen this nonsense..like just read the silly title of the thread says it all....I have seen a lot of believer ask atheists the SAME thing...but not ONCE have I entered a blasting thread such as this..its absurd....
Yes, your signature tells us you would believe in just about anything that others may see as myths...its says it all..what you do believe in ..an expert you say
Well said and guess what you arent the only one to make this point to him...he has gone a bit too far...and not once has he taken into consideration, as to WHY people dont believe...NOPE
Sure is...so true...it is IMPOSSIBLE...but wait there's a grand up for grabs LOL as if!!!

I am a true believer in God...but if i made a thread that offers $10,000( yea cuz im generous like that).... to the person that can help me proove God DOES exist...how many of you will say my statement is just plain stupid?? that its impossible to proove God exists...See I BELIEVE God exists..yea....but I CANT PROVE IT can I?? LMAO nope...like many have said on this board..its impossible

This thread has turned sour so fast...its high time someone realized that maybe they should pay attention to other opinion and see as to WHY people dont believe

Just because I believe in God...doesnt make me baised towards others that DONT believe...I can see why an athesit doesnt believe...it makes sense to me...but that doesnt make me want to become an atheist...its called RESPECT

If you can put yourelf in the opposite sides shoes for a moment...maybe..just maybe you might understand

Son, this is absurd my friend, unless you yourselvf have been in the experince its simply a idea, a concept filtered through your understandings, ...I could no more understand what it is to be a man then you could a women, When you define your whole experince through a set of beleifs you are simply the beleifs, most have never tested out any of the material they have excepted it as 'word', .....LOL nice try son...looking for an insult again, come on whats it like ot be a flower how about a cloud???
curiousity ((HUGS) nice to see you back my friend...

You might want to look up the word - decency...and while you are at it look up the word - Understanding.... ALSO while im on a roll...look up the wordds FAITH & Belief...you might just get educated on what a belief really is...honest

Cuz not once have you shown any amount of the above words to non believers

How would you like it...if a number of people spat abuse and showed racist comments towards YOU...they didnt care for who YOU ARE...they just fed abuse and showed lack of understanding...cuz im sure you have a few things that not others will see as normal...and im sure you EXPECT others to just respect you for ALL of your beliefs and ALL what you are as a person....its not nice is it??

You expect the impossible...trying to proove God exists is impossible...just the same as trying to proove he dont exist...anyone with half the witt KNOWS this

YOU GO GIRL I ..mean SIS LOL @ nice try son...looking for an insult again, come on whats it like ot be a flower how about a cloud??? well said

Annnnnnnnd on that note you assume there is a God...you havent the ewitt to KNOW its just based on a belief system that you CHOSE to follow

Prove to me God exists.........................go ont then...REAL proof....not your opinions ..I want REAL Proof
Now if you think im being out of order...then think about it..im making an example out of your statements asking those to proove he dont exist..when you KNOW no one can prove it either way

All you have done is throw abuse at others and dodged many posts...prolly cuz you cant answer them
But out of intrest you call yourself an expert lol so impress me..I want you to PROVE he exist....

since a lot of people don't believe in God, they commit all kinds of horrible acts.

and you ASSUME death is a bad thing... not to us believers... it is a release fro this life... death doesn't bother me one bit...

the problem with people is that they do things and feel guilty about them later... so they want to blame God for their OWN actions.

interesting how you ASSUME that i'm the one being rude... but you didn't bother to address a single rude comment that came from an atheist... must be lovely to live in denial... so far, nobody has offered any proof... this thread wasn't asking for opinions... and in fact... everyone is biased in some way...

maybe you should think before you make statements like these... it's impossible to be 100% non biased... i haven't dodged every theory... you must not have read all 10 pages... i asnwer the questions that are relevant... but i just wanted proof... and

SIGH all the atheists do is get mad because they don't have a single shred of it... which is what i asked for in the first place... but they threw insults first... so how come you didn't bother to address them for that?

Does that mean people who truly believe in you're God do not do such horrible things?



I too have said death will not bother me but I will have to see until that moment arrives the only thing that will really bother me is knowing my death will upset my children and partner.
You are right people do tend to blame God or Satan for there OWN actions. It is the same when people credit God for everything good that happens in their life or if they accomplish something then it is a thank you God or God was watching over me this day. It is like the human race cant accept that we can commit horrible acts or great accomplishments by ourselves.

did you ever think that the reason all that stuff exists is because God gave man free will? man can choose to do whatever he wants... since a lot of people don't believe in God, they commit all kinds of horrible acts... and not everyone that calls themself a Christian really is... i'll let every take that how they want it... just cause someone says they are doing something in the name of God doesn't mean they are...

and you ASSUME death is a bad thing... not to us believers... it is a release fro this life... death doesn't bother me one bit... the problem with people is that they do things and feel guilty about them later... so they want to blame God for their OWN actions...

based on your statement above... you want everyone to be controlled like puppets... but that wouldn't be free will...

if poverty is so wrong... why not start a campaign to give them money? or a non profit organization to make donations? but i'm sure you won't do that... you'll just talk about how wrong stuff is like famine and hunger as you go to a buffet and throw away the food you don't eat... you'll talk about poverty, but you won't adopt a child overseas or donate to red cross... you'll speak about rape but won't join an advocacy group... or child abuse, but won't join any group to help them... the God i worship and believe in... doesn't have anything to do with your action or inaction... that's your choice to talk and not do... and so it gets worse with every generation... because for every 20 people who don't contribute... there are 1 or 2 that will step up... so you can see how the numbers stack up...

oh and i just want to point out to everyone that is is the kind of posts that atheists do all the time... but if we say something in defense... then all of a sudden it makes us the bad guys or we are tyring to force our opinions on people...

again... i never made a racist comment... and you seem to just ignore the disrespectful comments that are aimed at Christians...

understanding the other person's point of view has absolutely nothing to do with this topic... i simply asked for some evidence... and nothing...

and by the way... almost all the atheist i have bumped into on this site have showed complete disregard about how Christians feel... but when one stands up for themself... then all of a sudden, we are the ones who are intollerant and don't understand... blah blah blah...

just know that if you throw shots at me... i will throw them back... so maybe you should look up the words you told me to look up.... because you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of...

You cant see how it may look like a racist comment...but to some it does...

FYI..NO atheists do NOT show disregard to christians...we here that post on a regular bases...can get along most of the time...yea yea we have our disagrements...but it would be freakin boring if we all agreed

I considermyself a true believer in God...everyone here KNOWS I do...but I am NOT BAISED ...just because I show some understanding towards an athesit...makes me what?? huh??

What about when i have shown understanding to a christian...makes me what??

Now if you cant prove to me God exists...and you wanna dance around my questions...you have just prooved to me you CANT answer it
here's a tip...why not take your time..and re-read some posts gave to you by actual athesits

Im on this board a long time now................you are the 1st abrupt biased person I have ever met on here.....not because you are a christian lol NO...but because you show too much ignorance towards anyone who dont think.....and ACT like you

Geri I think what you're trying to get across here is that his statements are biggoted against others but I don't think they should be classified as racist. Racism is against another race.

ok, i'll go ahead and answer this for you... you ASSUME that there isn't a God because YOU don't like that kind of stuff and don't see a reason for it... the fact is.... you are not God and you cannot say how a Supreme Being should or shouldn't operate...

did you ever think that the reason all that stuff exists is because God gave man free will? man can choose to do whatever he wants... since a lot of people don't believe in God, they commit all kinds of horrible acts... and not everyone that calls themself a Christian really is... i'll let every take that how they want it... just cause someone says they are doing something in the name of God doesn't mean they are...

and you ASSUME death is a bad thing... not to us believers... it is a release fro this life... death doesn't bother me one bit... the problem with people is that they do things and feel guilty about them later... so they want to blame God for their OWN actions...

based on your statement above... you want everyone to be controlled like puppets... but that wouldn't be free will...

if poverty is so wrong... why not start a campaign to give them money? or a non profit organization to make donations? but i'm sure you won't do that... you'll just talk about how wrong stuff is like famine and hunger as you go to a buffet and throw away the food you don't eat... you'll talk about poverty, but you won't adopt a child overseas or donate to red cross... you'll speak about rape but won't join an advocacy group... or child abuse, but won't join any group to help them... the God i worship and believe in... doesn't have anything to do with your action or inaction... that's your choice to talk and not do... and so it gets worse with every generation... because for every 20 people who don't contribute... there are 1 or 2 that will step up... so you can see how the numbers stack up...

oh and i just want to point out to everyone that is is the kind of posts that atheists do all the time... but if we say something in defense... then all of a sudden it makes us the bad guys or we are tyring to force our opinions on people...

IM NOT AN ATHESIT ...far from it

Now I have whats classed as comon sense ...yea honest lol

I KNOW I cant prove to other my God exists...but only a half witt would suggest that others SHOULD be able to prove it regardless....

Have you freaking read anything you have said?? NOOO dont look like it

Did ya wonder WHY your last thread closed down...........would it be your lack of understanding that caused a lot of Hostility hence it being shut down...

Tell me how on earth do you expect someone to prove God exists?? HOW????

Now tell me HOW you expect someone to prove he dont exist?? HOW??

If you dont answer...I'll KNOW you dont have a clue as to HOW

You paint a pic of a racist that has lil to do with his time other than to throw abuse at a non believer....when you cant prove your side at all
Im glad I dont belong to a group of people with a lable stuck to them...I just follow God in my own way...but see I have a gift....its called UNDERSTANDING...

Do you like the idea of being singled out and labled?? I dont think you would somehow....ahh but relax its ok there there, dont you worry your lil self....those darn atheists should be all damned ...how dare they show a non beliefs towards a belief LMAO curses!!!

I agree with this 200 percent. Excellent post.
ETA well except about the God being real.

lol... you're not atheist? i couldn't tell based on your posts... or by the fact that you said "i believe in God" none of that even struck me as you believing in God (sarcasm)

i've been contacted by multiple people telling me to ignore you because you are simply trying to get attention since no one cares about what you post.. lol... and that's not my opinion... that's what i was told by several people... lol...

so keep trying to get some attention by talking throwing shots at me... i'm no longer responding to any of your posts and i've blocked your harrasing private messages too...

it's funny how many people don't like you and don't agree with you...

lol... you're not atheist? i couldn't tell based on your posts... or by the fact that you said "i believe in God" none of that even struck me as you believing in God (sarcasm)

i've been contacted by multiple people telling me to ignore you because you are simply trying to get attention since no one cares about what you post.. lol... and that's not my opinion... that's what i was told by several people... lol...

so keep trying to get some attention by talking throwing shots at me... i'm no longer responding to any of your posts and i've blocked your harrasing private messages too...

it's funny how many people don't like you and don't agree with you...

This looks like it is going to turn into a slug fest and get closed but for those contacting you and telling you to ignore BM and that she is looking for attention it is funny how they hide in shadows. BM is decent person and i and many respect her very much. And for some strange reason i respect you to lol you remind me of boltwave.

This is ssooooo funny. Free Will? what kind of free will option does your god give you? "Have no other gods before me" or the whole "believe in me and only me or else suffer my wrath." What kind of free will is that? Besides there are times in life when we don't have free will from other human beings or governments.
I know that none of this was directed to me but I can tell you that you have a lot to learn about atheists and nonbelievers. We make donations of money and time to very worthy causes. The charities don't distinguish our time or money from religious time or money.
For some reason you want to think that people who don't worship your god are less than human and can't live cohesively with the religious. We don't go out to commit crimes because we don't have an entity to answer to. This is ridiculus and makes you appear to be a bit of a narcisist. I think you should chalk this whole topic up to a draw and give the money to a charity who could really use it. That's what my nonbelieving self would do.

Exactly ...this is my point

Never let someone hide behind the shaddows to tell me who I should talk to and not talk to....thats showing ignorance and shows that they are the ones with the issues not me

I could never let anyone tell me to ignore anyone...I like to judge for myself...cuz im strong that way

I am a decent sort...those that know me will say so.....but im not fishin for compliments...I like to defend what I believe is right

harm in it?? i think not