I just want to know if there is 1 atheist out there who can offer absolute proof that there is no God...

since all of you claim to KNOW and you are so SURE that HE isn't there... i would love for you to share that monopoly that you have on absolute proof with the other 90% of the world....

i'll give $1,000 to the first atheist that can offer absolute proof that there is no God... you can use this in court to sue me if i don't pay up...

please only answer if you have proof... not opinions...

You might want to check out these quotes from some real scientists...

http://www.keyway.ca/htm2000/20000122.htm

*snerks*

That's like asking someone to prove there is a god without useing their opinions or saying "Because the bible says so!"

Gods and entities only exist in the minds of those who wish to believe in them.
You can't prove one exists other than in your mind anyway. I know many of you believers want us to prove our stance but what's to prove? I would say that if you believe in something and it makes you happy, then so be it. Why does anyone have to prove anything anyway. If you're positive your god exists then it doesn't matter what anyone else says.

I agree with SilverCougar here. It is the same thing.

edited to add>> excellent point curiousity!

there is tons of proof for the existance of God... people have had experiences with God... whether you choose to believe it or not... that's your business... science turns up more proof for God than it does for anything else... even Steven Hawking said... (i'm paraphrasing here) that his work keeps bringing him to the conclusion that God exists, but he just refuses to accept that as an option....

he is a devout atheist... and i'm sure he's a lot smarter than most of the other atheists out there... and he even admits that God is the only conclusion he can come to... he just refuses to accept it... not cause it's not true... just cause he doesn't want to accept it...

that must suck for the atheist argument when one of it's strongest proponents agrees that there is a God... lol...

I have experiances as well.. But I don't chalk them up to your god.

Simply put.. all the "proof" of god are opinions.

"This happened to me.. so.. it must be god!!" That right there is a full fledged straight on opinion.

He accepts it to be some "god" because it can't be explained... yet. Key word is "yet". Since everything that is unexplainible is always chalked up to "god". And when science works to explain whatever happens, then the truth comes out that it's something else.


Even in my own shaman works... I know what happens, and while I perform my rituals and healings in the name of the goddess and the gods, I know that there is something scientific that's really at work. Deities are a comfort. Which is why man made all deities. Even the one you profess to believe in.

I found Stephen Hawking's God (a link to where I got this info)


Stephen Hawking's God
"In his best-selling book "A Brief History of Time", physicist Stephen Hawking claimed that when physicists find the theory he and his colleagues are looking for - a so-called "theory of everything" - then they will have seen into "the mind of God". Hawking is by no means the only scientist who has associated God with the laws of physics. Nobel laureate Leon Lederman, for example, has made a link between God and a subatomic particle known as the Higgs boson. Lederman has suggested that when physicists find this particle in their accelerators it will be like looking into the face of God. But what kind of God are these physicists talking about?

Theoretical physicist and Nobel laureate Steven Weinberg suggests that in fact this is not much of a God at all. Weinberg notes that traditionally the word "God" has meant "an interested personality". But that is not what Hawking and Lederman mean. Their "god", he says, is really just "an abstract principle of order and harmony", a set of mathematical equations. Weinberg questions then why they use the word "god" at all. He makes the rather profound point that "if language is to be of any use to us, then we ought to try and preserve the meaning of words, and 'god' historically has not meant the laws of nature." The question of just what is "God" has taxed theologians for thousands of years; what Weinberg reminds us is to be wary of glib definitions."

As you can see, his use of the word "God" has been skewed by readers. The same thing has happened to Albert Einstein and I have heard Christians pull the "well he was a genius and he believed in God" card many times without fully understanding what he was actually saying. I think that is probably true for Stephen Hawking as well.

You can not show tangable proof from faith. The belief that there is a god is just faith. I am not an atheist, but I agree that there is no evidence to support that there is a god; unless you want to point to human exsistance, and earth or something.

Not trying to be smart or anything, but why do you feel the need to propose this offer? Is your faith lacking?

nope... just forcing atheists to admit that they DON"T know that there is no God...

it takes more faith to not believe in God than it does to believe... mostly because the evidence for God's existance is stacking up...

Just as there is no absolute proof there is no god. There is no proof there is one either.

Well prove there is even a god to speak of. You're the one making the claim, not atheists.

I mean, I'll give you 1,000 dollars if you can disprove the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

Then how would you feel for an atheist to FORCE you to prove there is a god? Do you believe that Jesus was God? Because I would agree with you that there is proof that Jesus exsisted; but GOD; the supreme being who created the heavens and earth....is an unseen being.

If I remember right there is something like 2.800 different Gods & Goddesses, Demi Gods, Semi Gods, Deities

Choose your poison.....

That's what I was asking earlier. Apprarently thaphantum doesn't have an answer for that.

I have a feeling this threads asking for trouble.

*cough*

*achem*

EXTRAORDINARY CLAIMS REQUIRE EXTRAORDINARY PROOF.

How many times do people have to say that before it sinks in?

I'm Atheist but I'm happy to admit that I don't know if God exists or not I just don't believe God does. Also what evidence is stacking up that god exists?

lol... maybe, but i'm about to post another one that's really going to get people riled up...

Rather persumptuous of you.

Forceing your issue and view on people who wish not to follow your line is crass and ill natured. How would you like it if I forced my beliefs onto you, making you prove that your god is not real but my gods are? I can guess you wouldn't like it at all.

Why do you care what others worship? Is it such a sting in your side that there are people who don't worship like you? Are you that weak in your faith that because there are so many others who don't believe like you believe, your faith is meaningless?

As long as you believe in your god, then to you he exists. That in the end, that should be what matters. Let us others have our own peace in life.

Prove something doesn't exist. The oxymoron of all time.

Atheists do not believe god exists. Therefore the onus is on the Theist not the anti-Theist.

you have created 10.00000.00000.0000.0000 posts already do we need another lol. Are you creating post's to try and start arguments? just wondering.

your cracking me up here lol. though i am agnostic i do believe there is something out there. but GOD? im unsure about that one. your looking to scientists for them to tell you god exists. why not look at the scientists proving the holes that are in the bible? how is it you "believe" that it takes more faith to not believe in god? simply put thats your belief just the same as many other people have their own. yes god may exist and he may not but there is no proof to either. just another pointless thread to rile people up is what this is. i have no problems with your beliefs because they are your own but dont be calling others out on their own. its a BELIEF plain and simple.

If you try to force anyone to do anything, it will take them to the opposite extreme. You will reap something entirely different than you thought you were sowing.

edit> But maybe you are trying to get people angry, or riled up?

Good post uhmanduh.
I agree, just because someone uses the word 'god', does not mean they are speaking of a personality, a conscious and interactive being.

Well, I'm willing to take a crack at this. I could use the grand.

But first, the ground rules: Since you stated "No Opinions, the phantum", what evidence are you willing to accept? Personal revelation?
Scientific equation?
what criteria will you accept? I ask, because I don't want to go to the trouble and have you say "Nope, no good".

Also, how will you, if possible, disprove my proof?


And, most importantly, prove you have a thousand dollars, American, to pay out.

Sadly, use of your forum post to prove your debt, is not admissible in a court of law. And even if it were, it would be foolish to sue you if you do not have the cash to begin with.

And what if the bible has nothing to DO with God.

I think you better read the top of the page before doing this.
"This means no flaming, no flamebaiting, no trolling and no personal attacks. "

if it has nothing to do with god then why are people holding that so close to them as "the book of god"

actually it wasn't that great of a post since i was talking about Steven's quote in the NY Times...

to answer another question... i have $1,000 that's really not hard to come by... lol... i'll accept proof... undeniable proof that God exists...

lol... i really hope you don't plan to post a mathematical equation that "proves" that God doesn't exist... in order to do that, you would have to know every single thing about every single thing that has ever happened or that will happen in the future... thus, making you God... thus, falsifying your own argument...

but go for whatever you want...

Because some people need that physical form of their faith. Strange that some need tangible proof of what is supposed to be faith, but there ya go. Just like some need religion. Doesn't necessarily mean its actually FROM God.

don't worry... i know the rules... you really don't have to say much in this forum to get people talking... something like... JESUS is the only saviour of mankind... will work just fine... lol...

And, most importantly, prove you have a thousand dollars, American, to pay out.

LOL! ....now thats gonna take some serious evidence jmpd ha

Ha, ha... I have nothing to prove to you. I believe what I believe, you believe what you believe. As you say, you would have to know every single thing about every single thing, and neither of us do.

And again, I ask: what would you consider "undeniable" proof?

According to you, there is "undeniable" proof that god exists.

But, your statement is in error, since there are those who deny it.........

ty Hairston, I knew someone who catch that.....

i love your arguments angel lol. but that is how its portrayed and even the few preachers i know go buy that. now depending on you religion it may change i dont know, i dont know about everyones religion but you said it doesnt mean its not actually from god well it doesnt mean it isnt either. its just another stalemate from what i can tell.

now i'm going to explain why that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard...

this is a forum which means... no one has to read anything that i have to say... and if they do read it... they don't have to respond... so it's not possible to FORCE anything on anyone... especially in a forum...

i love when atheists claim someone is FORCING their opinion on them whenever a Christian mentions God... but strangely it doesn't apply when an atheist says they don't believe in God... or if they put something in their sig that bashes people who do believe in God...

SOME of you guys are hypocrites...

Well, you paraphrased and didn't provide a specific quote reference.

Firstly, despite what you say there is no evidence for the existance of God or any other deity. Some may claim life etc as evidence, but that is just conjecture as it in no way shows there to be a God, it is just unfounded speculation. By the same token how do prove something does not exist? It is not testable it is not provable. With out evidence of anything and seeing the state of the world I see no reason to believe in God. There is nothing to show any sort of divine being is watching over this planet and to me if there is he is clearly not a nice one.
This is a facetious question and pointless. Your link is also irrelevant, it is unobjective and as uhmanduh has shown and most of the people it quotes died before the 20th centuary and lived in a different social climate. Maybe you should look and see why you seem so threatend by atheism.

This idea is silly...how can one prove there is NO God...when God is just based on pure belief?? how can you expect anyone to show real proof??

I mean thats just like you asking me to prove to you there is a God..what part of faith dont you get??

So what if an atheist claims there is no God...for petes sake..its no different from others claiming the KNOW he exists...................is it?? unless you are trying to convince there is a God.................if so ...I'll give you $2000 to show ME REAL proof...not your opinion...real proof mate...now make with the proof? Sound silly?? just as silly as asking someone to show real proof there is no God

Now for being silly LOL im gonna take that $1000 from you anyhoo...YOINK!!!

Dont worry i wont spend it al in one store....honest!!!

Actually Piglet, it isn't a stalemate. The bible was written by man, plain and simple. An attempt to promote religion which = $. Lucky for the ones that benefit from that, there are people who need and thrive on the "guidance" that the bible provides.

Says the one who said he's forcing athiests to acknowledge that there is a god.

And while this is a forum, you also don't have to post something like this.

Might as well get in that hypocrite line while you're at it.

dont you?

Don't I what?

I dont believe in God because there is not sufficient evidence to prove his existence.

There is a concept called the "Burden of Proof", meaning that if you introduce a new idea, you must prove its validity before its accepted. You cant just propose it and say "well you cant prove me wrong!". I cant prove that an invisible Flying Spaghetti Monster doesnt exist, but its highly unlikely that he does.

Science works the same way. A hypothesis must be proposed and proved many different times before it is even accepted as a theory.

Yea right? Stupid me, I forgot that a guy with a little ragtag band of followers who's been dead for 2000 yrs could be the savior of all mankind. Get real pal.

dont you benefit from its guidance? surely as a believer you must to an extent correct?

IT DOESNT ??????



(sobs)


way to go Ferran why don't you tell me the easter bunny is not real and finish me off.

Like I've said before. I don't have to prove to you that God doesn't exist. I have to prove it to myself. And I have. Therefor to me he doesn't exist as he has been described to exist.

You may have proven to yourself that he does. And so you believe in him.

oh no not the easter bunny