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SilverCougar
No really...wtf?

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Procter & Gamble Co. has won a jury award of $19.25 million in a civil lawsuit filed against four former Amway distributors accused of spreading false rumors linking the company to Satanism to advance their own business.

The U.S. District Court jury in Salt Lake City on Friday found in favor of the Cincinnati-based consumer products company in a lawsuit filed by P&G in 1995. It was one of several the company brought over rumors alleging a link with the company's logo and Satanism.

Rumors had begun circulating as early as 1981 that the company's logo — a bearded, crescent man-in-moon looking over a field of 13 stars — was a symbol of Satanism.

The company alleged that Amway Corp. distributors revived those rumors in 1995, using a voice mail system to tell thousands of customers that part of Procter & Gamble profits went to satanic cults. The company's claim was based on the Lanham Act, which prohibits unfair competition and false advertising.

"This is about protecting our reputation," Jim Johnson, P&G's chief legal officer, said in a statement Monday. "We will take appropriate legal measures when competitors unfairly undermine the reputation of our brands or our company."

The former Amway distributors thought they'd be exonerated and were shocked by the jury's verdict late Friday, said Randy L. Haugen, one of the defendants. "It's hard to imagine they'd pursue it this long, especially after all the retractions we put out," said Haugen, a 53-year-old Ogden, Utah, businessman who maintained P&G was never able to show how it was harmed by the rumors. "We are stunned. All of us."

Haugen said he forwarded another person's account of the Satanic rumor to other Amway salesmen on a common phone-message system, then circulated the retraction. The original message, however, found its way to Procter & Gamble.

Amway has said it acted quickly to quash the rumor and the company was dismissed from the case, leaving the four ex-distributors, who are protected by liability insurance against the judgment, Haugen said.

P&G spokesman Terry Loftus said Monday that the corporation brought a handful of cases against various individuals ? not just Amway distributors ? through the 1980s, with the last one prior to this case filed in 1990. Loftus said he did not have immediate information on the outcome of those cases.

Joseph Joyce, one of the attorneys representing the Amway distributors, didn't return several messages left by The Associated Press on Monday at his Salt Lake City office.

A federal judge had dismissed the lawsuit involving Amway, and a three-judge panel of the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Denver agreed in 2003, saying the rumors were not defamatory and that P&G had not made a case for specific damages. P&G, however, got the case reinstated on a further appeal, Haugen said.


Associated Press Writer Paul Foy in Salt Lake City contributed to this report


Amway is apart of this.. Starsomething or other... group.. which is a HIGHLY christian evangelical oriented company.(They tried to "suck me in" however the few meetings I was pulled into, were shall we say, like going to a fire and brimstone church service) So for some reason, I'm not surprized at this and yet in a state of disbelief that this would happen.

Is Amway failing so horribly that they need to point fingers at competition and scream "SATANISTS!!!" then get suied for it?

Gah.. mind just... implodey now..
EmpressV
I joined them 30 yrs ago and found the same thing with their rallies. They were nothing more than evangelical soap pushers. I got out real quick. It doesn't surprise me that they would pull this kind of shinanigans.
GoddessWhispers
Amway has a horrific reputation as a Pyramid Scheme. I remember when this gossip first hit the press. I think, if nothing else, it generated strict attention, for probably the first time, to a sales logo. From then on you just know there's scrutiny of anything from Starbucks to Krispy Kreme. ("Whys it spelled with a K? Ewww just one K away from KKK! " "Oh no! You think?" ~paranoia sets in ~ looks at chocolate iced donuts suspiciously~ ph34r.gif laugh.gif) Although 19 million is nothing to a company like this, it still makes them look bad. That's priceless! thumbsup.gif
Tangerine Sheri
this will be the beginning of such suits that are to grace our courts, I'm waiting for an Ex beliver to sue for damages, there must be no case law on the books as of yet... but, i see this in the near future...Relgion is coming under some serious scrutiny, much like the fast food industry, and the oil companys etc the relgiious regime is losong its stranglehold .. our world is changing and these sorts of fire and brinstone tactics aren't gonna fly anymore.....Way to go to procter and gamble for standing firm on this and having the cash to do it...i too know that Amway is very fundie....
chaoszerg
People try to find reasons to sue all the time. This is not so different the way things are now all someone has to do at work is sneeze and bump there head against a wall then they will try and sue the work for not having the heating up high enough or keeping the room dust partical free.
Darkwind
I had a boss who made me go to an Amway meeting I new it was bull before I went but I needed the job. A couple of days later one of the district managers come down and I told her about it. She fired my boss and have me his job. That was a good day. The only thing that was redeeming about Amway was they a bug repellent that was great for black flies. It would keep them away for hours.
MissMelsWell
QUOTE(GoddessWhispers @ Mar 20 2007, 04:04 PM) [snapback]1592109[/snapback]
Amway has a horrific reputation as a Pyramid Scheme. I remember when this gossip first hit the press. I think, if nothing else, it generated strict attention, for probably the first time, to a sales logo. From then on you just know there's scrutiny of anything from Starbucks to Krispy Kreme. ("Whys it spelled with a K? Ewww just one K away from KKK! " "Oh no! You think?" ~paranoia sets in ~ looks at chocolate iced donuts suspiciously~ ph34r.gif laugh.gif) Although 19 million is nothing to a company like this, it still makes them look bad. That's priceless! thumbsup.gif



Amway is nutty, boy do I agree with taht.

For those that havne't seen some of my other posts... i actually worked for Starbucks for 5 years from 1987-1992 back when they were still a tiny company (9 stores).

Starbucks wasn't immune to this kind of scrutiny, and in fact were forced to change their logo in 1990, because a group of what I can only image were prudes complained. Then they changed it, and the NEXT set of prudes came in, and complained about the second one! What we have today on all our Starbucks cups is a variation of the second logo. I was hoping to find the original logo on the Web but I don't see one anywhere. I have an old t-shirt with the first logo and I have one with the second logo as well... if I get a camera that works, I may post pictures.

The original was absolutely gorgeous... she was also two color, brown with a white background. She was a full length Siren laying sideways in a seductive kind of lounging position with her twin forked tail curling slightly upward. Her hair flowed over her shoulders and she was artfully bare breasted. My own store had a 6' x 3' image of her hanging over the bar! She was simply lovely a beautiful piece of artwork. But so many prudes complained that their sons were goggling at the image that they forced Starbucks to change it or a lawsuit would be impending.

The second logo was a more stylized version of the first, much blockier, and the hair covered the breasts, but her double forked fins (traditional to Sirens) curved up over her head forming a sort of loose circle. The complaint with this one was that it looked like she was sitting spread eagle. Oh for pete sake. Some people.

The third which is on cups now is the same as the second, but it's a close up of her face. I've always hated that one. Bring back the first one I say.

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I can't believe it... I found the original logo... this was on the cups, the hanging large sign in my store was a lounging version (it disappeard from the store around 1994):

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This was the second blockier version:

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Today's Version:

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Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(MissMelsWell @ Mar 21 2007, 08:17 PM) [snapback]1594206[/snapback]
Amway is nutty, boy do I agree with taht.

For those that havne't seen some of my other posts... i actually worked for Starbucks for 5 years from 1987-1992 back when they were still a tiny company (9 stores).

Starbucks wasn't immune to this kind of scrutiny, and in fact were forced to change their logo in 1990, because a group of what I can only image were prudes complained. Then they changed it, and the NEXT set of prudes came in, and complained about the second one! What we have today on all our Starbucks cups is a variation of the second logo. I was hoping to find the original logo on the Web but I don't see one anywhere. I have an old t-shirt with the first logo and I have one with the second logo as well... if I get a camera that works, I may post pictures.

The original was absolutely gorgeous... she was also two color, brown with a white background. She was a full length Siren laying sideways in a seductive kind of lounging position with her twin forked tail curling slightly upward. Her hair flowed over her shoulders and she was artfully bare breasted. My own store had a 6' x 3' image of her hanging over the bar! She was simply lovely a beautiful piece of artwork. But so many prudes complained that their sons were goggling at the image that they forced Starbucks to change it or a lawsuit would be impending.

The second logo was a more stylized version of the first, much blockier, and the hair covered the breasts, but her double forked fins (traditional to Sirens) curved up over her head forming a sort of loose circle. The complaint with this one was that it looked like she was sitting spread eagle. Oh for pete sake. Some people.

The third which is on cups now is the same as the second, but it's a close up of her face. I've always hated that one. Bring back the first one I say.

EDIT:

I can't believe it... I found the original logo... this was on the cups, the hanging large sign in my store was a lounging version (it disappeard from the store around 1994):

linked-image

This was the second blockier version:

linked-image

Today's Version:

linked-image



interesting on starbucks, a fun story for behind the chair (I'm a hair stylist) so many are starbuck drinkers here...Coffee bean for me the coffee is organic... the ocassional small soy latte.....
MissMelsWell
QUOTE(Supra Sheri @ Mar 21 2007, 09:59 PM) [snapback]1594250[/snapback]
interesting on starbucks, a fun story for behind the chair (I'm a hair stylist) so many are starbuck drinkers here...Coffee bean for me the coffee is organic... the ocassional small soy latte.....



ahahah, you would not believe the suburban housewives that came into the store I managed who covered their 8yo sons' eyes rofl.gif . We got yelled at a lot and people (women always) would voice their disgust fairly regularly. A group of moms went on a letter writing campaign to have the logo removed and managed to get an attorney to back them up. Starbucks actually had that brown logo for some 12 years PRIOR to the letter writing fools. At the time, Starbucks was small... a puny 9 stores and the brand was not yet nationally developed, although it was well known in Seattle. They figured rather than fight the mommies on a local level, they'd just change it before they had to fight mommies on a global level.

We used to call our lovely lassy: Serena.. she didn't officially have a name, but we loved her so much that we gave her one. haha

It was actually a sad day when they removed her image and replaced her all because of a bunch of uptight housewives.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(MissMelsWell @ Mar 21 2007, 09:08 PM) [snapback]1594256[/snapback]
ahahah, you would not believe the suburban housewives that came into the store I managed who covered their 8yo sons' eyes rofl.gif . We got yelled at a lot and people (women always) would voice their disgust fairly regularly. A group of moms went on a letter writing campaign to have the logo removed and managed to get an attorney to back them up. Starbucks actually had that brown logo for some 12 years PRIOR to the letter writing fools.

We used to call our lovely lassy: Serena.. she didn't officially have a name, but we loved her so much that we gave her one. haha

It was actually a sad day when they removed her image and replaced her all because of a bunch of uptight housewives.

Maybe the area, i find this hard to picture here... truthfully the female body is beautiful...well i have this theory on how repressed we are as society LOL....
MissMelsWell
QUOTE(Supra Sheri @ Mar 21 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1594259[/snapback]
Maybe the area, i find this hard to picture here... truthfully the female body is beautiful...well i have this theory on how repressed we are as society LOL....


I don't know, I don't think so... Seattle is a pretty funky, liberal, crunchy, granola kind of city. As a general rule, the stereotypical hang ups are rather ignored here. I never could figure it out, except maybe that even way back then, uptight suburban moms liked to hang for coffee before dropping the little rug rats off at school. Sbucks may have just had a disproportionately high number of conservative (and wealthy) customers. Who knows, I sure don't.
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