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Jor-el
QUOTE(Osirian @ Mar 23 2007, 10:58 PM) [snapback]1596957[/snapback]
What the hell makes Jesus so damn special that he can come back and not me? Sex alone is a good enough reason to want to come back. Hell, I'd come back just for the fun of it.

If you don't know the answer to your own question then I suggest you find out why. I personally don't have the patience right now for this type of attitude. w00t.gif
Osirian
You're assuming I can't come back. I AM coming back. As for Jesus, well he can do whatever he damn well chooses to do.

Why does everything about Jesus have to be so fricking exclusive? In my line of thought, he never meant for anyone to worship him. The guy was a drifter for crying out loud: no horse (just a damn donkey that one time), no job, no home, no bills, nothing. All he had was a dozen groupies and a chick who had the hots for him. He also tolerated hookers and con artists (taxpeople). Everything about the guy portrayed humility. Now he can reincarnate but no one else should believe they can. I call bu**sh*t.
Isis2200
QUOTE(brave_new_world @ Mar 23 2007, 01:22 AM) [snapback]1595840[/snapback]
Well I am Christian and believe absolutely in reicarnation. So yes a Christian may believe in reicarnation. thumbsup.gif


Right on, Brave New World. thumbsup.gif I was wondering if you also believe in the Laws of Karma, as I do.

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Lion of Judah
The power to bring someone back to life is in Gods hand in reincarnation a person can be recreated in the afterlife.
We as humans have still not beat death so reincarnation is just a dream
thaphantum
this is just my OPINION but i really don't feel like one can call themselves a true Christian and not follow the teachings of the Bible and Crhist... being a Christian is more than just a title... it is a belief... and mixing Christ in with other religious views is a very non Christian practice...
Osirian
That's all fine and dandy but Jesus himself wasn't even Christian. I believe that what he taught is light years ahead of what today's Christians practice. And I also think he must have been one fine occultist (astrology, numerology, pyramid initiate, world traveler, etc) judging by those eighteen lost years and how they were left out. Nothing like fear and guilt to keep the masses in check.
StoneAgeQueen
A very valid point was just raised there, about the second coming. How is this to be achieved if reincarnation is not true in christianity?
thaphantum
QUOTE(StoneAgeQueen @ Mar 23 2007, 06:22 PM) [snapback]1597190[/snapback]
A very valid point was just raised there, about the second coming. How is this to be achieved if reincarnation is not true in christianity?


reincarnation isn't necessary... so it's not a valid point...

Jesus had His own body when He was raised from the dead... and wil return in His original body... that point would only be valid to someone who hasn't bother to read the story...

there is a difference between resurrection and reincarnation...
Osirian
If he returns to his original body, then he's gonna be one ugly muddafuddah after this many years - LOL.

Reincarnation exists. Ressurection is just the church's way of saying the same thing. Again, to keep people away from knowing that Jesus was a regular flesh guy who (heh) like Neo, suddenly "got it" and woke the hell up. Period.
thaphantum
QUOTE(Osirian @ Mar 23 2007, 05:48 PM) [snapback]1597125[/snapback]
That's all fine and dandy but Jesus himself wasn't even Christian. I believe that what he taught is light years ahead of what today's Christians practice. And I also think he must have been one fine occultist (astrology, numerology, pyramid initiate, world traveler, etc) judging by those eighteen lost years and how they were left out. Nothing like fear and guilt to keep the masses in check.


that argument is always used but without point... that's like saying that david koresh wasn't a branch dividian...

Christianity wasn't even called that at first... it was actually called "the way" in hebrew... that would be "mazzaroth"

it was only later that they would be called christians...

the word "Christ" is "cristos" in Greek... which means.. savior/redeemer... but for some reason... people add that to Jesus' name like a last name...

"Christian" simply means follower/worshiper of the Savior

as far as His 18 "lost years" maybe nobody wrote about it... why is it assumed that people hid them? remember... He was in hiding from the time he was born... until ???

there are lots of things that the gospel writers didn't cover... like, why He chose who He chose to follow Him... and also, they didn't know Him before then anyway... only 1 book... if i recall... even talks about the event when He was 12... but consider this...

if you meet someone... you may hear a story about random parts of their childhood... but chances are... you won't know all of it... what you will know is what went on after they met you... especially if you are with them day and night...

but the fact that part of His life is not in the text has no bearing on what He did...
thaphantum
QUOTE(Osirian @ Mar 23 2007, 07:14 PM) [snapback]1597237[/snapback]
If he returns to his original body, then he's gonna be one ugly muddafuddah after this many years - LOL.

Reincarnation exists. Ressurection is just the church's way of saying the same thing. Again, to keep people away from knowing that Jesus was a regular flesh guy who (heh) like Neo, suddenly "got it" and woke the hell up. Period.


actually... the church DIDN'T exist before Jesus... so that's a backward argument... and reincarnation is a flat out LIE... plain and simple... there is no point... from any argument you take... reincarnation theory caves in on itself... Jesus already has His body... no need to return to it...

but only someone ignorant of the actually story would even suggest that He is going to "return to His body"

that is a TOTAL misundersanding... or lack of understanding of the text...
Osirian
The holee Bibilee wasn't written until several years after the existence (and death) of Jeebuz.

I reincarnated, so that's no lie. Hell, there I was - eating heaven pizza and all of a sudden a booming voice said "Hey! It's your turn! You wanna go or not?!" Then before you knew it, there I was squirming my way out of a long wet tunnel and some asshole with a mask yanked me out of my inner sanctum and whacked me on the ass. And that was how I came in.
bumblesue
QUOTE(Osirian @ Mar 24 2007, 02:44 AM) [snapback]1597292[/snapback]
The holee Bibilee wasn't written until several years after the existence (and death) of Jeebuz.

I reincarnated, so that's no lie. Hell, there I was - eating heaven pizza and all of a sudden a booming voice said "Hey! It's your turn! You wanna go or not?!" Then before you knew it, there I was squirming my way out of a long wet tunnel and some asshole with a mask yanked me out of my inner sanctum and whacked me on the ass. And that was how I came in.


hey i may get blasted for this, and i do not mean to be rude but please could you stop with the jesus bashing. i take offence to it. this thread is not about how much you hate jesus and god knows i dont need to know in detail how you came to be, though i doubt you are remembering it right. please just stop with calling him names. it can offend some. thanks
Osirian
Au contraire. I really like the guy and what he stood for. I just get pissed off at people who believe that he came here to be seen as being above everyone else. He wasn't a benevolent dictator. He was someone who lived an extremely humble life and was a rebel. And he was not a Christian. I doubt he even had a name or label for what he knew/believed in. I think it would be a great thing if humanity did the same. But noooo - we love our stupid labels.
Jor-el
QUOTE(Osirian @ Mar 23 2007, 11:11 PM) [snapback]1596970[/snapback]
You're assuming I can't come back. I AM coming back. As for Jesus, well he can do whatever he damn well chooses to do.

Why does everything about Jesus have to be so fricking exclusive? In my line of thought, he never meant for anyone to worship him. The guy was a drifter for crying out loud: no horse (just a damn donkey that one time), no job, no home, no bills, nothing. All he had was a dozen groupies and a chick who had the hots for him. He also tolerated hookers and con artists (taxpeople). Everything about the guy portrayed humility. Now he can reincarnate but no one else should believe they can. I call bu**sh*t.

If he is alive and well in heaven in a physical body why does he need to reincarnate?

The 2nd coming refers to his return from heaven in his own body, not being born to a new body again!!!

That is why your statement has the fragrance of ignorance. No I am not trying to insult you, and that is the furthest intention from my mind. Your own statement demonstrates your uninformed status.

Edit: It is also a matter of biblical record that 40 days after he was ressurected (came to life again) he rose to heaven in his physical body.
Mainpoint
QUOTE(Jor-el @ Mar 24 2007, 09:32 PM) [snapback]1598381[/snapback]
If he is alive and well in heaven in a physical body why does he need to reincarnate?

The 2nd coming refers to his return from heaven in his own body, not being born to a new body again!!!

That is why your statement has the fragrance of ignorance. No I am not trying to insult you, and that is the furthest intention from my mind. Your own statement demonstrates your uninformed status.



So what do you think Jor-el time to ask the pope to make some changes to the roman catholic christian faith? maybe other sects will follow?
Mainpoint
QUOTE(Mainpoint @ Mar 24 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]1598387[/snapback]
So what do you think Jor-el time to ask the pope to make some changes to the roman catholic christian faith? maybe other sects will follow?


whoops wrong thread wacko.gif
Jor-el
QUOTE(Mainpoint @ Mar 24 2007, 09:38 PM) [snapback]1598387[/snapback]
So what do you think Jor-el time to ask the pope to make some changes to the roman catholic christian faith? maybe other sects will follow?

It is this exact quest for seeking the biblical truth and not following a dogma that has allowed us to evolve as christians. That is also why protestants came from the catholic church and evangekicals from the protestants and so forth.

This would probaly answer one of your questions on another thread as to why there are so many different types of christian churches, but that is an issue for another thread.
Jim88
Some Christians do believe in reincarnation. Have you ever heard of the earth age theory? It is the believe that there are three earth ages to God's plan. Christians who believe the earth age theory believe there was an earth age before this one. God destroyed life on the earth, then recreated it producing this earth age. They believe there will be another earth age after this one. They believe people have lives during all three earth ages. That's reincarnation.
Jor-el
QUOTE(Jim88 @ Apr 8 2007, 03:51 PM) [snapback]1618756[/snapback]
Some Christians do believe in reincarnation. Have you ever heard of the earth age theory? It is the believe that there are three earth ages to God's plan. Christians who believe the earth age theory believe there was an earth age before this one. God destroyed life on the earth, then recreated it producing this earth age. They believe there will be another earth age after this one. They believe people have lives during all three earth ages. That's reincarnation.

Well, could you give us more details? I've never heard of this particular twist in the tale. It sounds interesting...
Jim88
QUOTE(Jor-el @ Apr 8 2007, 10:46 PM) [snapback]1619212[/snapback]
Well, could you give us more details? I've never heard of this particular twist in the tale. It sounds interesting...


There really isn't much to it. They believe there was a war during the last earth age. God destroyed the earth. He created this earth age and there will be one after this one. The people who believe the earth age theory believe we all have lives during all three earth ages. Isn't that reincarnation?

Why don't you ask the Christians who believe it? If you want to know more then follow the link below.

http://www.shepherdschapel.com/default.htm

They teach the earth age theory.
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