hi id like to know more about the books that were banned from the bible (enoch,mary,ect)

I've always found this site http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/ very good for um, well, early Christian writings.

there are the book 2 books of adam and eve
the gospel of mary
the gospel of thomas
the book of enoch
the book of nicodemus

if you want the entire list... Google

"Apocrypha"
"Lost Books of the Bible and Forgotten Books of Eden"

that should give you a ton of results... most were left out because they were known fakes... and written too far after the person's death to be really written by who it claims to be written by...

As opposed to the ones that made it in?

--Jaylemurph

Hey there. Right to the point. This earth has been here for a long time. Longer than you can imagine. In that time, there has been so many people. More than you could ever imagine. During that time of all these people, there were some laws, there were different ways of decribing the creation, there was so much more that you can't even begin to imagine, and there is no telling what could have been accomplished during the past times before us. In 1611, I don't know how popular the bible was, but I do know that men were very rebellious and there was only a small group of men who sat down and undertook the process of putting together the bible. Out of a need they did this. Not a need to escape torture, but a need to prevent the destruction of the truth. They drew up a bible from what they had. They had all the records in one place; see, mankind has alway kept records and something has made them keep the records in one place in every place. Go to a town and you'll find a courthouse; that's not new. There has been taxes and trade, employment and entrepreneurship throughout the known history of mankind; controlled by who knows what. Now what would they need for a bible?
When the boiling point was reached in the tempers of mankind, when they could not take any more insanity from the masses of people, the Church which was watching the souls of mankind and had been since the beginning had to do something about it. It cannot be disputed that the Church is a holy place. The Church is not in charge of how you get your information or in what order or by whom. When the bible was written, the need to slow down the process of the world had to be done because the truth is everybody is going to die. It may be some years that you live, but you die! That's a tough lesson for somebody who has no hope. This earth was destroyed long ago. The Book of Enoch was too long ago and it is not about this earth. The Gospel of Mary, ehh, it's too complicated and it tells of a world we will never be part of here; it is not about this earth either. But, you know, the bible writers may not have had those books in the form we have them in now and the form they are in now may be so far removed from the truth of what you can do and what will happen. The Church was in charge of protecting the truth, not distributing the truth. You, my friend are in charge of distributing the truth. Now, if you think that these books should be included in the bilble, well, what do you do? You buy the books you think should be in the bible and put them in the bible and make it your bible.

The Nag Hammadi scrolls? Includes Gospels of Mary Magdalene, Thomas, even Jesus himself. Most of which contradicts what was included in the bible.

Nag Hammadi Library

Another useful site which I referred to often while in research mode... Sacred Texts

Is there a book that details years 10(or whatever it was) thru 34? the years where he was off on walkabout traveling to syria persia etal?

if you are referring to the Gnostic gospels then you are a victim of the myth that they were 'banned' from the 'bible'.
The Gnostics were more influenced by Buddhism than by the Christian idea and they evolved into a sect apart from mainstream Christian thought.
The early Christians struggled to find a universal dogma which they called Catholicism which would be simple and have universal appeal (Catholicism literally means 'universal', the Gnostic dogma didnt fit in with this in fact the central idea of Gnosticism revolves around self rather than any psuedo-supernatural diety and is vague and contradictory.
The other simple fact is that the early authors of the 'bible' were unaware of the existance of most of the Gnostic writings as the Gnostics had become an ostracised group by the time Chistianity was becoming an established religion and as a result kept their books and documents out of the public eye.
If its of any comfort the surviving Gnostic 'gospels' have been compiled into a single book and is being published by the Catholic Church.

Well... be fair. Early Christian writings weren't uniform or logical for several hundred years til the Council of Nicaea decided on the Latin standard line. For several hundred years after, there were still wildly divergent strains of Christianity til the Latin Catholics church murdered the opposition. All in the name of Jesus, of course!

--Jaylemurph

sorry im off topic but what exactly is that design in your avatar, metatronscube?

I think the better question is why they felt the need to to ban them......

They banned them to suit their own selfish needs and to enable them to control people better. They have also edited a lot of things out and added bits on. How can anyone follow this stuff?

So true, StoneAgeQueen:

I think it WAS really selfish of them to do this. A few years ago I read where they omitted Books they felt were two outlandish and didn't fit their idea of what religion should be. The Roman Catholic Church traces its institution to Jesus and the Twelve Apostles, and sees the bishops of the Church as the successors of the Apostles in general, and the Pope as the successor of Saint Peter, leader of the Apostles. When I used to go to the Catholic church, I remember one of our group prayers included reference to the Catholic church being "one Holy and Apostalic Church."

So I feel that very early on the church wanted us to accept its doctrine as "All that Is." Queen, I'm so glad we've had people like the great John Lash, and William Henry who have come to the forefront telling us about ancient texts, including lost books of the Bible, which contain alternative views on not only religion but life itself.

I agree Isis

And as for the fact they edited out stuff that was too outlandish oh the irony!

I would like some Ebooks on the lost gospels if any one knows where I can get my hands on them.

I have found a bible that has all the books y'all call left out. But, those books were eventually taken out. In 1966, The American Bible Soceity published 'The New Testament in Today's English.' They were then requested to publish a full version of the bible using that format. They added a British consultant to their staff and came out with a translation in 1971 of the Old Testament. The bible included the Deuterocanonicals and the Apocrypha. I don't know what y'all are thinking! The bible is what Jesus the Christ said it was for. It is not to explain the revolutions of the planets or the content of the psyche or anything like what enoch or mary describes. The bible is just to witness the being called Jesus Christ, that's all.
Now, you have to do what the bible tells you to do and study to show thyself approved and it takes awhile to study and compare notes and sayings and lo and behold! the books you thiink are gone, they're there! No, you say. There isn't a Book of Enoch or one by Mary Magdalene. That's right. Compare the two books by Esdras to The Gospel of Mary Magdalene and you might see what I mean. These books were taken out not to keep you out of heaven, you should already be there, but these books were taken out because of repititious concepts.

Would you be interested in a book that said the same thing chapter after chapter after chapter after chapter. . . they did use repitition throughout the ages; the same stories but different characters in every age. Read some of those books and figure out yourself if that's they the way it should be. Laws are written, stories are told.

the design of my avatar is a depiction of Metatrons Cube. Metatron was an angel who is said to have been enoch before he went heaven and trapt his soul inside this shape.
Metatrons cube is also said to keep satanic spirts away.

That's a cool lookin' cubeadendron with its hexagonal cubicles.

I guess it keeps the demonic spirits locked inside lookin' for a way out.

here here i totally agree!!!

dont forget the book of Jasher theres about 11 that I know of will have to get my list for you

You certainly hit the nail on that one. What's funny is people follow the teachings of Jesus Christ despite the obvious fact the Bible itself has no writing of Jesus Christ himself. Religion blinds.

Well, I will throw in my observation, for what it's worth:

I believe the New Testament, as we know it today, was simply another "new" religion which arose at the time. That is why there was such a careful sorting and culling out of so-called "undesirable" writers and teachers of the era, some later called Gnostics. Only a select few "apostles" teachings and letters were accepted -- those which became the foundation of the "new testament church".

There is no denying that this new religion was extremely successful in its undertaking, especially among Gentiles of the time. However, the "so-called" prophecies concerning the coming of a "Savior to die for sins of mankind" which the New Testament swears is found in the Old Testament - does not exist. The facade is maintained by churches who rely on its members not to study the bible too in-depth, but merely trust the pastor for interpretation of the passages. The ability of clergy to correctly interpret Scripture leaves one apprehensive to say the least -- considering there are how many churches and denominations?? It is interesting to note, however, that no matter what the Denomination, Doctrine, Faith or Belief -- they can all be proven true and validated in the Bible. Amazing.

I have not found, however, that the so-called promise to Abraham in the Old Testament, includes a future Savior to die for the sins of mankind. That only emerged in the "Christian Era" by certain prophets, the most prominent being Paul, alias Saul, who took it on himself to become apostle to the Gentiles -- albeit that the office was originally given to Peter, one of the 12 apostles.

All those lost Souls for Zero Worship revived by Judas The Anti-Christ who betrayed Jesus Christ.
Those who reveal Judas as related to or had good purposes for Christ will be revealed as FALSE.

It's actually quite simple to see why constantinople was favored and how under duress since 1000.bC, when they stole our alphabet from the west along with everything else, and cries of "thou shalt be put to death", conformed the bible to favor the East and Mesopotamia and hide the true holy land of Avila, Africa and our true Father, whom you call God, and His Son.

Shortly after the translations at the height of these great sins upon ourselves, the library of Alexandria fell to the Library of Pergamon.

Many scripts were altered by Asian scribes or "Byzantine Bacchic Drunkards of The Greatest Perversions upon humanity for self proclamation to something that neither did, nor ever will, belong to them upon those false lands of JUDAS.

Many FAKES still circulate like the FAKE SCROLL of JUDAS, and THE FAKE WRITINGS of OXYRYNCHUS.....

H-ence, THE GARBAGE DUMP OF CLEVER CONFORMITIES to further cover up and distort the TRUTH.

Ancient scrolls don't have "fresh ink".

SOURCE;

http://www.schoyencollection.com/papyri.htm

BIBLE: JESUS SAYING: HAIL MY MOST CHOSEN APA CHAMOUL, I AM THE CHRIST WHO HEARS EVERYONE WHO CRIES OUT, - CHRIST WHO GIVES A CURE FOR EVERY SICKNESS -


MS in Sahidic on papyrus, Coptos, Thebes, Egypt, ca. 550-650, 2 partial ff., 17x13 cm and 18x9 cm, single column, 16+18 lines in a large Coptic uncial.

Context: Another partial f. from the same codex in British Library, published by E.O. Winstedt in: Coptic texts on St. Theodore the Oriental.

Provenance: 1. Coptic Monastery, Coptos, Thebes (ca. 550-650); 2. Guiglelmo Libri, London; 3. Sir Thomas Phillipps, Cheltenham, Ph ?, (-1872); 4. Katharine, John, Thomas & Alan Fenwick, Cheltenham, (1872-1946); 5. Robinson Bros., London (1946-1965); 6. Sotheby's 1965?; 7. Charles Ede, London (1965); 8. Private collector, England (1965-1998).

Commentary: The text contains a saying by Jesus that never entered the Gospels, neither is known from any of the Gnostic MSS nor elsewhere.







THE GENESIS APOCRYPHON DEAD SEA SCROLL

GENESIS APOCRYPHON, COL. 1, LINES 1 & 2; COL. 2, LINE 1


MS in Aramaic on vellum, Qumran, ca. 4 BC-68 AD, 3 fragments, 2,8x2,5 cm, 2,3x2,9 cm, 1,3x1,0 cm, part of 2+1+2 lines in a Herodian Hebrew book script, from a scroll of 4 membranes, 31x283 cm remaining, 22 columns, ca. 34 lines. Further 2 pieces of contemporary vellum repair material, 3,5x1,1 cm and 3,4x0,6 cm.

Context: Part of the Dead Sea Scroll 1QApocGen, now in Shrine of the Book, Israel Museum, Jerusalem. The 2 larger fragments from the present MS apparently matches the top of columns I and II. The rest of column I is lost, apart from remnants of the left margin, and fragments from 1Q20. The smallest fragment has not yet been placed.


Provenance: 1. Community of the Essenes, Qumran (ca. 4 BC-68 AD); 2. Qumran Cave 1 (68-1947); 3. Muhammad Adh-Dhib of the Ta'amireh tribe, Judaean desert (1947); 4. Khalil Iskander Shahin ("Kando"), Bethlehem (1947-48); 5. Syrian orthodox Monastery of St. Mark (Metropolitan Athanasius Samuel), Jerusalem (1948); 6. Gift to John C. Trever, Jerusalem, Claremont and Laguna Hills, California (1948-1994).

Commentary: Originally written 1st half of 2nd c. BC, the Genesis Apocryphon is a form of parabiblical literature, which retells the story of parts of Genesis, embellishing it and adding haggadic details. It should probably be called more properly "Book of the Patriarchs", because it recounts in embellished form the stories of Noah and Abraham. It is related to the kind of literature one finds in the Book of Jubilees. Only one copy has been found of this unique text. This is the earliest Aramaic example of pseudoepigraphic literature that have come down to us, actually copied in the lifetime of Christ and the Apostles.

Published without the present fragments in: Nahman Avigad and Yigael Yadin: A Genesis Apochryphon, Jerusalem, The Magnes Press of the Hebrew University, 1956.
Published by Dr. Bruce Zuckerman and Dr. Marilyn Lundberg in: The Comprehensive Aramaic Lexicon, Newsletter, no. 12, Cincinnati, Ohio, Autumn 1996.

Exhibited: XVI Congress of the International Organization for the study of the Old Testament. Faculty of Law Library, University of Oslo, 29 July - 7 August 1998



MS 4612/1

12 MINOR PROPHETS DEAD SEA SCROLL


BIBLE: JOEL 4:1 - 4
MS in Hebrew on dark brown leather, Qumran, 30 BC-68 AD, fragment of a scroll,


THE JUDGES DEAD SEA SCROLL

BIBLE: JUDGES 4:5 - 6

MS in Hebrew on brown leather, Qumran, ca. 80-30 BC, 1 fragment from a scroll


You See...

That is why God has anger with the 7 Churches that are in Asia.

[quote name='StoneAgeQueen' date='Mar 23 2007, 03:50 PM' post='1596250']
I agree Isis

And as for the fact they edited out stuff that was too outlandish oh the irony!
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OMG! man editing the word of God, when you think of the consequences, that requires intestinal fortitude.

I wonder if God will edit them out?

One word: control.

Most things to do with religion is all about control. If they control what goes in, then they control what people read.

Too long, maybe, but insightful and extremely interesting... did you read Enoch? It's about how fallen angels destroyed the earth. That's about the earth alright.


Did you even read the gospel of Mary Magdala? It's a very spiritual and powerful book. In addition, it's written by someone very close to Christ. This book should have stayed in. Wonder if gender played any role on that one!




"Protecting the truth," or protecting their own self rightoused bigoted beliefs?
& I agree with your last sentence. It leaves us no choice, but to either be spoon fed someone else's truths, or decipher what truth is on your very own- :} (btw, all little children out there, this is why education is soooo very important!! )

http://reluctant-messenger.com/council-of-laodicea.htm

heres a few I found in the bible..they are mentioned in the bible but are not included...

Missing books

Samuel chapter 1
18] (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)
Kings 14 :
19] And the rest of the acts of Jeroboam, how he warred, and how he reigned, behold, they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel.
[29] Now the rest of the acts of Rehoboam, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah?
Kings 15
[7] Now the rest of the acts of Abijam, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah? And there was war between Abijam and Jeroboam.
[23] The rest of all the acts of Asa, and all his might, and all that he did, and the cities which he built, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah? Nevertheless in the time of his old age he was diseased in his feet.
[31] Now the rest of the acts of Nadab, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel?
2nd Kings 823] And the rest of the acts of Joram, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah?
1Chr.29
1. [29] Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer,2Chr.17
1. [9] And they taught in Judah, and had the book of the law of the LORD with them, and went about throughout all the cities of Judah, and taught the people.
2Chr.20
1. [34] Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Jehu the son of Hanani, who is mentioned in the book of the kings of Israel.

2Chr.33
1. [18] Now the rest of the acts of Manasseh, and his prayer unto his God, and the words of the seers that spake to him in the name of the LORD God of Israel, behold, they are written in the book of the kings of Israel.2Chr.34
1. [15] And Hilkiah answered and said to Shaphan the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the LORD. And Hilkiah delivered the book to Shaphan.
2. [30] And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and he read in their ears all the words of the book of the covenant that was found in the house of the LORD.
Num.21
1. [14] Wherefore it is said in the book of the wars of the LORD, What he did in the Red sea, and in the brooks of Arnon,
1Kgs.14
1. [19] And the rest of the acts of Jeroboam, how he warred, and how he reigned, behold, they are written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel.
2. [29] Now the rest of the acts of Rehoboam, and all that he did, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Judah?

Esth.10
1. [2] And all the acts of his power and of his might, and the declaration of the greatness of Mordecai, whereunto the king advanced him, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Media and Persia?Phil.4
1. [3] And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.


have fun!!!

I'm with you guys. I always felt it was about control too. If another Jesus movie is going to be made at some point in the future (you know they will), I'd love it to be about Jesus' eighteen years from age 12 to 30. That would make for one HELL of an interesting movie, and would likely shatter some of the power of the church over the people. Imagine seeing Jesus being an initiate of the Great Pyramid teachings, his travels to other parts of the Middle East, Western Europe, Asia, India - and possibly even the Americas. Impossible? Why not? I canoed for 9,000 kms over a mere nine month period and had a blast. I find it extremely difficult to believe that Jesus might have stayed in his home region rather then went on a huge (and I mean HUUUUGE) walkabout. I reckon he knew all about Astrology, Numerology, palmistry, some science and chemistry as well as basic physics, tantra (lucky Mary M), Indigenous people's teachings, and many other disciplines. When he came back to his own region, he must have known so much from his travels that the only way he might have been seen as was an extremely charismatic individual, whereas others would have seen him as a freak.

question: If Jesus was alive today would he be working with the CIA, the Vatican, or the Military...where do think Jesus would be working today if he was alive...(and Im just asking ok so theres no need to beat me up over it)

Well, in "The Untold Years - The Incredible Life Story Of The Most Influential Man That Ever Lived" movie, Jesus would most likely be seen as a wandering soul - with purpose. It'd also be nice to see the three kings who were reportedly there at his birth come back when he was twelve and finance his travels - like secret mentors or something. In real life today, he would most likely be threatened of assassination and be approached (and possibly funded) by several societies such as the Illuminati, Rosicrucians, freemasons - take your pick.

What it comes down to is that the works found within the Apocrypha are not considered inspired by God. Although they are considered inspired writings by the particular author, they are not considered inspired by the Holy Spirit, as voted in the council of Trent. Therefore, they were not added in the bible along with the other inspired writings. Although other religions around the world, like, Orthodox for example generally includes the book of Enoch.

Pretty "convenient".

this link may lead you to the passages you wish to wonder down enjoy
http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/banned-books.html

Worth a Look you may find reference within the texts either way you will embark on a knowledge journey

http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/oso/publi...261827/toc.html

..nevermind...

History is written by the victors. I am quite certain the New Testament is a very limited version of the true beliefs of Jesus. The Gnostics were defeated by the traditionalists. There is amble historic evidence that women were powerful in the first centuries of Christendom. (Notice who Paul addresses his letters to. Often they are women.) The "lost" books of the Bible are very pro woman. They are very pro individual. The individual is able to use his own mind to interprete and find God. Very different from the rote learning of the Catholic Church. The Book of Mary places a great emphasis on the holiness and importance of the Virgin Mary. Other Gnostic texts clearly show that Mary Magdalene was the most important of the Apostles. What a world it might have been if the more open minded form of Christianity prevailed.

I good book all of you need to read is The two Babylons it tell you where all your so calld true beliefs come from and there is a lot more books out there that is not love by the churchs and you will see how we have be come pagans and not a lover of God. What ever happen to? God in America, Christian ideas,
John 8:32 and you will have knowledge of what is true, and that will make you free. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free...If its of any comfort there is life after you die, I have been there.

PPS
you can read it here for free
http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/index.htm

If your going to throw out the traditional Bible, or at least decide to honestly include the Apocrypha, then you're going to need to read the complete Jewish works, the Muslem works, The Urantia Book, the Scientology Bible, Bi'Hai, the Mormon Bible and any other so called religious book that can be connected to God or Jesus, otherwise you don't have the whole picture... do you? Otherwise you are censoring. To use the same logic used to include the Apocrypha, then you can't just limit yourself to ancient texts, after all where would you draw the line, 100 AD?, 250 AD?, 1000 AD? I'm just pointing out flaws in the logic, if you really want to research the Apocrypha and you feel it brings you closer to God, go for it!

The truth is that most people can barely keep up with the traditional Bible, much less all the Gnostic additions that could be thrown on top. And Enoch is a good read, but I feel to include it should be each person's individual choice, as some of it is a little side ways from the Old Testement.

Early Christian Writings
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm

At this time no one has made Ebooks on some or all of the banned from the bible books as will as there is steal a lot more ancient texts to come to light by the way Revelation 13:16-18, says that there would come a time when a powerful leader would force people to receive a "mark" on or in their right hand or forehead, and that no one would be able to buy or sell unless they had that mark
666 is hear and is a part of all of us

http://reluctant-messenger.com/lost_forgotten_books.htm
Banned Books of the Bible
List of the books that was banned from the bible
Although not considered canon, these ancient texts are part of the heritage of Judaism and Christianity. Some, such as the Book of Enoch, are considered sacred by some. The Ethiopian Church has The Book of Enoch as part of their Bible. Lost to the world until found within the last 120 year by travelers or archeologists

Censorship by the so called Church
Lost, Forgotten Books and Ancient Sacred Texts
Biblical Corruption?
The Acts of The Apostle Thomas
The Apocalypse of Peter
The Apocalypse of Paul
The Book of Enoch
Eugnostos the Blessed
The Book of James - Protevangelium
The Book of Jubilees
The Dialogue of the Saviour
The Didache: Teachings of the 12 Apostles
The Epistle of Barnabas
The Epistle to the Laodiceans
The Essenes and The Dead Sea Scrolls
The Essene Gospel of Peace
The Essene Book of Revelation
The Forgotten Books of Eden: First and Second Book of Adam and Eve:
The Gospel of the Egyptians
The Gospel of Mary Magdalene.
The Gospel of the Nativity of Mary
The Gospel of Nicodemus
The Gospel of The Perfect Life / Holy (12) Twelve
The Gospel of Philip
The Gospel of Thomas
The Gospel of Truth
The Heavenly Prince Melchizedek
The Lost Gospel of Peter
The Sophia (Wisdom) of Jesus
The Lost Years of Jesus
The Testament of Abraham
The Treatise on the Resurrection