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indigo child
It seems when I visit these boards, there seem to be more people here who believe that UFOs are either man-made or figments of overactive imaginations. I was just wondering how correct is my perception.
Colbert Nation
I voted yes to the possibility of UFO's...but I still believe it's not very probable
indigo child
As Stephen Colbert is my hero, I am honored that you have posted on my thread. wub.gif wink2.gif
indigo child
Hmm. Perhaps I should have worded my poll better and replaced "possible" with "probable."
Unlimited
I voted yes....the chances that were alone are improbable....
IamsSon
I voted yes, but I think this is an extremely rare occurrence. I think most UFO reports are misidentified natural phenomena, misidentified aircraft, and also secret government projects.
indigo child
QUOTE(IamsSon @ Mar 21 2007, 06:19 PM) [snapback]1593736[/snapback]
I voted yes, but I think this is an extremely rare occurrence. I think most UFO reports are misidentified natural phenomena, misidentified aircraft, and also secret government projects.


Does anyone believe that perhaps UFOs, if existant, are not piloted by extraterrestrial beings but instead extra or interdimensional beings, i.e. angelic or demonic in nature?
Starry_eyes
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indigo child
QUOTE(Starry_eyes @ Mar 21 2007, 06:36 PM) [snapback]1593763[/snapback]
Why does interdimensional mean being an angel or demon?


It doesn't have to mean angel or demon. It could also mean some other entity as well. I just wonder, though, since descriptions of UFOs do appear in the bible, if perhaps what many people of faith refer to as angels or demons might instead be interplanetary beings, or vice versa.
Starry_eyes
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indigo child
QUOTE(Starry_eyes @ Mar 21 2007, 06:47 PM) [snapback]1593778[/snapback]
Well on one of the other threads I was thinking about the idea of "them" being interdimensional humans from an earth we usually can't see. Which some people understandably objected to as improbable. But I wasn't really thinking about angels.


Well, I kind of believe that heaven and hell are also other dimensions, and I am starting to believe that when people see loved ones who have died (barring that the reason for their seeing people who are not "there" cannot be linked to some form of mental illness) that perhaps these loved ones are also in that other dimension, or world, or heaven, etc...
Colbert Nation
QUOTE(limited @ Mar 21 2007, 05:14 PM) [snapback]1593731[/snapback]
I voted yes....the chances that were alone are improbable....



I would say the chance that the we are the only planet with life is improbable, but it is even more improbable that an intelligent species from another planet has found us.
Alienated Being
QUOTE(Colbert Nation @ Mar 21 2007, 08:08 PM) [snapback]1593817[/snapback]
I would say the chance that the we are the only planet with life is improbable, but it is even more improbable that an intelligent species from another planet has found us.

Not really, if you take into account that traffic controllers have detected objects reaching mach 3 in a matter of a few seconds. What object can do that in our airspace?
Colbert Nation
QUOTE(Alienated Being @ Mar 21 2007, 06:20 PM) [snapback]1593839[/snapback]
Not really, if you take into account that traffic controllers have detected objects reaching mach 3 in a matter of a few seconds. What object can do that in our airspace?



Really fast American made UAVs
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Colbert Nation @ Mar 21 2007, 11:37 PM) [snapback]1593857[/snapback]
Really fast American made UAVs


UAV's are non-piloted aircraft using conventional propulsion systems. The major UFO flaps took place long before our current generation UAVs made it to the drawing boards and the UAVs are not capable of the performance characteristics that real UFOs are noted for and besides, they are very noisy unlike the UFOs in question, which have been known to hover silently. The UFO enigma is a worldwide phenomena that have nothing to do with UAVs.


Colbert Nation
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Mar 21 2007, 07:37 PM) [snapback]1593945[/snapback]
UAV's are non-piloted aircraft using conventional propulsion systems. The major UFO flaps took place long before our current generation UAVs made it to the drawing boards and the UAVs are not capable of the performance characteristics that real UFOs are noted for and besides, they are very noisy unlike the UFOs in question, which have been known to hover silently. The UFO enigma is a worldwide phenomena that have nothing to do with UAVs.



The SR-71 was developed in the 1950's and flying missions in the 1960's, the F117 was operational in the late 70's. "Your" knowledge of UAVs is very irrelevant to what we actually have in the testing and operational phase. The above mentioned aircraft are but a few of the many technological wonders that were hidden from civilian knowledge for decades before "you" knew of their existence.

The stealth and propulsion technology that has been available for decades was thought to be non-existent. The fact that so many "UFO" sightings we're never detected by ATC radar only confirms that nearly all UFO sightings for the past 50 years has been due to advanced military technology which to a civilian eye witness on the ground would be misinterpreted as a "UFO".

The fact is you do not, and will not know what we are capable of in terms of propulsion, maneuverability and silent operation until we see it fit to longer keep that technology a secret.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Colbert Nation @ Mar 22 2007, 01:09 AM) [snapback]1593992[/snapback]
The SR-71 was developed and flying missions in the 1950's, the F117 was operational in the late 70's. "Your" knowledge of UAVs is very irrelevant to what we actually have in the testing and operational phase. The above mentioned aircraft are but a few of the many technological wonders that were hidden from civilian knowledge for decades before "you" knew of their existence.

The stealth and propulsion technology that has been available for decades was thought to be non-existent. The fact that so many "UFO" sightings we're never detected by ATC radar only confirms that nearly all UFO sightings for the past 50 years has been due to advanced military technology which to a civilian eye witness on the ground would be misinterpreted as a "UFO".

The fact is you do not, and will not know what we are capable of in terms of propulsion, maneuverability and silent operation until we see it fit to longer keep that technology a secret.

dixiepixie
I voted yes. Although I myself have not seen a UFO, I think it would be arrogant as mebers of this great wide universe, to believe that we are the only ones.
Starry_eyes
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skyeagle409
QUOTE(Colbert Nation @ Mar 22 2007, 01:09 AM) [snapback]1593992[/snapback]
The SR-71 was developed in the 1950's and flying missions in the 1960's, the F117 was operational in the late 70's.


The SR-71 and the F-117 are powered by conventional propulsion systems and not capable of the kind performance that real UFOs are noted for.

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"Your" knowledge of UAVs is very irrelevant to what we actually have in the testing and operational phase. The above mentioned aircraft are but a few of the many technological wonders that were hidden from civilian knowledge for decades before "you" knew of their existence.


Yet, they were far outmatched by the UFOs of the 1940 and 1950s. Even our latest generation of stealth aircraft are outmatched by UFOs of those time periods.

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The stealth and propulsion technology that has been available for decades was thought to be non-existent. The fact that so many "UFO" sightings we're never detected by ATC radar only confirms that nearly all UFO sightings for the past 50 years has been due to advanced military technology which to a civilian eye witness on the ground would be misinterpreted as a "UFO".


We didn't have saucer-shaped secret aircraft capable of hypersonic speeds nor could they conduct right-angled maneuvers during the 1950s.

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The fact is you do not, and will not know what we are capable of in terms of propulsion, maneuverability and silent operation until we see it fit to longer keep that technology a secret.


I know much more than you think. The fact that we are still flying around in conventional aircraft and using chemical rockets and missiles to this very day sums it up as to where we have been over the years, technologically speaking.
uth
QUOTE(Colbert Nation @ Mar 22 2007, 01:09 AM) [snapback]1593992[/snapback]
The fact is you do not, and will not know what we are capable of in terms of propulsion, maneuverability and silent operation until we see it fit to longer keep that technology a secret.


On the other hand, you can't prove what we do have in secret. It's all speculation, rumour, a leap of faith and conspiracy stories. Much like the Alien theories.

So therefore the black-project UFO theory isn't any better than any alien theory. The best answer is 'we don't know for certain what they are'
uth
QUOTE(Colbert Nation @ Mar 21 2007, 11:08 PM) [snapback]1593817[/snapback]
I would say the chance that the we are the only planet with life is improbable, but it is even more improbable that an intelligent species from another planet has found us.


Given that other planets can be older than ours, and therefore possible and likely that other civilizations could be older than ours. It is likely that they would be technologically more advanced than us.

Given that we humans, if we had the technology to do so, would be exploring all nearby stars for and looking for alien life, it seems likely that a curious alien civilization would do the same.

Therefore, to me it seems very likely that alien civilizations would find us (providing the technological hurdles CAN ultimately be overcome).
Unlimited
QUOTE(Colbert Nation @ Mar 22 2007, 01:09 AM) [snapback]1593992[/snapback]
The fact is you do not, and will not know what we are capable of in terms of propulsion, maneuverability and silent operation until we see it fit to longer keep that technology a secret.



the way you use the term "we" ..i'm pretty sure your a usaf debunker speaker; so you just gave it up......
skyeagle409
Is this the way the military conducts flight test of its valuable classified assets?


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Orly airport, France, February 1956

In the night from February 17 to 18, 1956, at 10:50 P.M., an echo corresponding to an object of a size twice higher than that of the largest planes then in service appeared on the radar of the international civilian airport of Orly, close to Paris. No plane was supposed to be there at this time. The radar technicians initially restricted themselves to following the manoeuvers of the object, manoeuvers which were completely different from all that they had been able to observe up to now.

Its speeds varied from total immobility to a speed of 1500 miles per hour.

The weather was exceptionally cold during this February 1956, colder than ever since, and there was no storm. The sky was clear and with no clouds.

Thereafter, whereas the object was still followed on radar, a Douglas Dakota DC-3 of Air France carrying the passengers of a scheduled flight coming from London entered the field of the radar. The unknown object, which at this time was stationary, was seen on the radar screen accelerating at a fantastic speed and going straight towards the DC-3.

The Orly tower then radioed the DC-3 to ask whether they could see anything. The DC-3 pilot answered that they see a twinkling red light moving towards their plane apparently at a very high speed. He indicated that the position of the light is at the vertical of Les Mureaux, which corresponded to the position of the object on the radar.

The DC-3 pilot had to change course to avoid a collision which seemed imminent to him, then the object disappeared from his sight. From the control tower, the object now seemed to be on the side of Le Bourget, and they informed the DC-3 pilot about that.

The copilot, when he turned over to this side, saw again not only the mysterious twinkling light, but also the object itself, enormous and black against the bottom of the sky. He and the captain watched the UFO for a full half-minute before it disappeared. In his report, the captain stated that the object they saw carried none of the required navigation lights.

Similar events continued three hours long. According to the statements of the Civilian Aviation investigators, the pilots of the several planes which landed or took off that night at Orly after having seen the twinkling light, and sometimes the object, which manoeuvered around them at tremendous speeds, were terrified.


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RabidCat
I maintain that there are large numbers of sightings that are manufactured and tested by human type people.
I also maintain that these machines are not subject to regulations involving flight as stated by the FAA. It is only logical that machines that perform outside the normal limits would be considered by the makers to be above and beyond the regulatory agencies.
However, as I have stated before, it would be surprising to me to find that we are the only intelligent species in the universe. It would not be surprising to find that we have been and/or are being visited. Nor would it be surprising to know that we have technologies in our possession that are equivalent to 'alien' technologies. My reasons for this belief have been stated before this.
I was once told, just before Desert Storm, that Iraq had weapons equivalent to those in US possession. I told that individual that such a concept was pure bunko, and it still is pure bunko. Those technologies that elevate capabilities are not going to be public; assuming we have the necessary technology to construct interstellar machines, it would be very surprising to find public material thereon.
Alienated Being
Colbert, it's best not to fight with somebody who is/was in the military... I'm quite sure skyeagle would have quite a bit more knowledge in terms of the UFO Phenomenon than what you would.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(RabidCat @ Mar 22 2007, 06:28 PM) [snapback]1594979[/snapback]
I maintain that there are large numbers of sightings that are manufactured and tested by human type people.


While I have maintained that the majority of UFO sightings can be explained, the majority of the UFOs in question are not secret aircraft.


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I also maintain that these machines are not subject to regulations involving flight as stated by the FAA. It is only logical that machines that perform outside the normal limits would be considered by the makers to be above and beyond the regulatory agencies.


Unmanned Aircraft System Flight Regulations
2–9. Special use airspace (SUA)


a. AR 95–2 sets Army policy and procedures for handling special use airspace (SUA) matters.

b. Operations in SUA will be conducted per instructions from the using agency.

c. In combat zones, airspace use, control, and management will be conducted per Joint Publication (JP) 3–52, in accordance with FM 3–52. Air traffic control services will be provided per FM 1–120.

d. Unless approval is granted in advance through the appropriate DARR, all UAS flights/operations will be conducted in the appropriate SUA, per AR 95–2. Any UAS flight operations not conducted in SUA must comply with AR 95–2 and FAA Order 7610.4



SPECIAL USE AIRSPACES


Military Operating Area

A military operations area (MOA) is "airspace established outside Class A airspace to separate or segregate certain nonhazardous military activities from IFR Traffic and to identify for VFR traffic where these activities are conducted." (14 CFR §1.1, U.S.A.) Similar structures exist under international flight standards. These are designed for routine training or testing maneuvers. Areas near actual combat or other military emergencies are generally designated as restricted airspace.

An MOA is a type of special use airspace (SUA), other than restricted airspace or prohibited airspace, where military operations are of a nature that justify limitations on aircraft not participating in those operations. The designation of SUA's identifies for other users the areas where military activity occurs, provides for segregation of that activity from other fliers, and allows charting to keep airspace users informed. Local flight service facilities maintain current schedules and contacts for the agency controlling each MOA.

MOA's are often positioned over isolated, rural areas to provide ground separation for any noise nuisance or potential accident debris. Each designated MOA appears on the relevant sectional charts, along with its normal hours of operation, lower and upper altitudes of operation, controlling authority contact, and using agency.

Whenever a MOA is active, nonparticipating IFR traffic may be cleared through the area provided ATC can ensure IFR separation; otherwise, ATC will reroute or restrict nonparticipating IFR traffic. Although MOA's do not restrict VFR operations, pilots operating under VFR should exercise extreme caution while flying within, near, or below an active MOA. Military pilots do, on occasion, underfly their prescribed MOA lower altitudes without warning. Additionally, prior to entering an active MOA, pilots are encouraged to contact the controlling agency for traffic advisories due to the frequently changing status of these areas.



Restricted airspace

Restricted airspace refers to an area (volume) of airspace in which the local controlling authorities have determined that air traffic must be restricted (if not continually prohibited) for safety or security concerns. It is one of many types of special use airspace designations and is depicted on aeronautical charts with the letter "R" followed by a serial number.

According to the USA Federal Aviation Administration (FAA): "Restricted areas denote the existence of unusual, often invisible, hazards to aircraft such as artillery firing, aerial gunnery, or guided missiles. Penetration of restricted areas without authorization from the using or controlling agency may be extremely hazardous to the aircraft and its occupants." One example of restricted airspace is the area in and around the facility known as Area 51.



Prohibited Airspace

Prohibited airspace refers to an area (volume) of airspace within which flight of aircraft is not allowed, usually due to security concerns. It is one of many types of special use airspace designations and is depicted on aeronautical charts with the letter "P" followed by a serial number.

According to the USA Federal Aviation Administration (FAA): "Prohibited areas contain airspace of defined dimensions identified by an area on the surface of the earth within which the flight of aircraft is prohibited. Such areas are established for security or other reasons associated with the national welfare. These areas are published in the Federal Register and are depicted on aeronautical charts."



Special Use Airspace Map

http://sua.faa.gov/sua/special.do?selected=2&sua=conus
RAMS
Applying the Drake Formula at 100 billion stars in our Milky Way galaxy, and no other criteria considered, it divulges 46 civilizations in our Galaxy at our level of development or beyond. However, many conditions would have to be met for interaction with same.

NASA's exo-solar program and many who interact, work for, or contract to NASA feel the same.

RAMS
bornagainuhmanduh
I voted yes, it is possible/probable although I have never seen one.
lensflare

I voted yes...I was abducted for the first time July 15th, 1986
Ufogovernment
I don`t like a term UFO...it can be a bird if we don`t know is flying original.gif
Anyway, UFOs (as alien ships) are real, but I believe that 80% of UFOs people saw are from Earth. We can`t see real UFO just like that because of many reasons connected with their technology etc.
greggK
QUOTE(indigo child @ Mar 21 2007, 03:54 PM) [snapback]1593707[/snapback]
It seems when I visit these boards, there seem to be more people here who believe that UFOs are either man-made or figments of overactive imaginations. I was just wondering how correct is my perception.



The UFOs are coming from the planet Jupiter or they could be coming from Beetlegeuse.

Actually, I could tell you more about your perception if I knew what it was.
greggK
QUOTE(lensflare @ Mar 30 2007, 02:35 PM) [snapback]1606591[/snapback]
I voted yes...I was abducted for the first time July 15th, 1986


I was not abducted, I was transferred to earth June 24, 1978. The actual transfer did not happen until around 1985 and that was during the eye of a hurricane.
Lilly
Well, it's certainly possible that some UFOs could be ET (I voted the first option). However, I'm not sure how probable this is though.
chemical-licker
i think that the fighter jets that chase flying round objects are............. LARGE MOTHS!! unsure.gif laugh.gif THEY EXIST! just want the gits to appear visible to everyone, what are they withholding from us dumbass monkeys. very frustrasting yes.gif
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