I was watching the X-Files a few weeks back, the subject of the episode was a kid who seemed to be possessed. Turned out he wasn't possessed, but it was the spirit of his twin who died at birth. It had stuff like there was supposed to be a ceremony at birth, some ritual in Romania where if a twin dies at birth the bond must be seperated.
Anyway, I was thinking this could be an explanation for some of the doppleganger cases. People who frequently see their doppleganger, or other people frequently see it. It could be possible that at birth they were supposed to be a twin, but the twin died.
It's a commonly known phenomena of twins seperated at birth sharing many traits, sharing telepathic thoughts, having the same vocation, knowing when something happens to the other, etc. Things that would be amazing coincidences. Well, this may also take effect even if one of the twins die. Some bond between them, causing the doppleganger phenomenon.
I'm sure a lot of people that may have had a twin that died at birth don't even know it. Their parents might have kept the information from them for obvious reasons.
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Hey OM
Reminds me of this baby barek nightmare maker:
.....B
"The Other" 1972 Robert Mulligan director of "To Kill a mockingbird"
Simply brilliant!, 13 August 2004
Author: emiller72us from Virginia
http://imdb.com/title/tt0069050/
What can I say? This is an excellent film! I caught the beginning of "The Other" a few months ago on AMC, and of course, it was coming on late on a Saturday night...I didn't get to finish it, but what I saw intrigued me enough to look for the film. As I began to search the web, I found that the movie was based on an out-of-print book by Thomas Tryon. I picked up the book first, and was mesmerized! I also bought a copy for my mother, a bona-fide horror guru. I began talking up the book amongst my friends, many of whom were surprised that I claimed to be a horror fan and had never seen the film!
The movie has a definite look and feel to it, and Mulligan is to be commended for it. From the opening credits, featuring the incomparable Jerry Goldsmith's score, to the opening scenes in the woods, you know that no good is going to come of this. I won't spoil the film for those (and there's no doubt many) that haven't seen it. If you enjoy a good, solid psychological horror story, you will not be disappointed. If you're looking for blood and gore, don't bother.
There's solid performances from the twins, and of course, from Uta Hagen. My one true complaint comes from the ending...it seemed a little rushed, and deviated from the book too much, in a production that otherwise had followed the book quite faithfully. Tryon did write the screenplay himself, based on his own book, so how much can one complain about it? I just feel that the film would've benefited from another ten minutes, ending exactly like the book, including the surprising (and wide-open for interpretation) last chapter.
I adore discovering a film or book that I've never heard of, and, once discovering it, find that the movie has a lot of fans. This is another such movie. It deserves to be on DVD in the worst kind of way. Fans of thrilling, psychological, suspenseful movies will be well served by "The Other." If you haven't seen it, or read it, you should.
Reminds me of this baby barek nightmare maker:
.....B
"The Other" 1972 Robert Mulligan director of "To Kill a mockingbird"
Simply brilliant!, 13 August 2004
Author: emiller72us from Virginia
http://imdb.com/title/tt0069050/
What can I say? This is an excellent film! I caught the beginning of "The Other" a few months ago on AMC, and of course, it was coming on late on a Saturday night...I didn't get to finish it, but what I saw intrigued me enough to look for the film. As I began to search the web, I found that the movie was based on an out-of-print book by Thomas Tryon. I picked up the book first, and was mesmerized! I also bought a copy for my mother, a bona-fide horror guru. I began talking up the book amongst my friends, many of whom were surprised that I claimed to be a horror fan and had never seen the film!
The movie has a definite look and feel to it, and Mulligan is to be commended for it. From the opening credits, featuring the incomparable Jerry Goldsmith's score, to the opening scenes in the woods, you know that no good is going to come of this. I won't spoil the film for those (and there's no doubt many) that haven't seen it. If you enjoy a good, solid psychological horror story, you will not be disappointed. If you're looking for blood and gore, don't bother.
There's solid performances from the twins, and of course, from Uta Hagen. My one true complaint comes from the ending...it seemed a little rushed, and deviated from the book too much, in a production that otherwise had followed the book quite faithfully. Tryon did write the screenplay himself, based on his own book, so how much can one complain about it? I just feel that the film would've benefited from another ten minutes, ending exactly like the book, including the surprising (and wide-open for interpretation) last chapter.
I adore discovering a film or book that I've never heard of, and, once discovering it, find that the movie has a lot of fans. This is another such movie. It deserves to be on DVD in the worst kind of way. Fans of thrilling, psychological, suspenseful movies will be well served by "The Other." If you haven't seen it, or read it, you should.
Cool, I'll have to check it out. I know my local video store has it because I saw it on the shelf yesterday and was considering renting it lol.
my view on doppelegangers stem from a theory known as the Choice Theory. This theory states that for every choice you make, an alternate dimension will be created for that choice you didn't make, and your mirror image would exist in that dimension independently. so doppelegangers may be our mirror images from other realms visiting us in this plane of existance, caused by tears in dimensional space that allow them to gain access into this dimension.
Isn't this similar to bi-location, or something like that?
A doppelganger is, according to legend, not just your double but your evil double. Or a creature trying to impersonate you hoping to use your looks/reputation to gain the trust of others for evil purposes.
"The Other"...thnx for sharing that Barek, I'll have to check it out.
As for Dopplegangers, not very familiar with the subject...
As for Dopplegangers, not very familiar with the subject...
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ Mar 21 2007, 08:03 PM) [snapback]1593984[/snapback]
I was watching the X-Files a few weeks back, the subject of the episode was a kid who seemed to be possessed. Turned out he wasn't possessed, but it was the spirit of his twin who died at birth. It had stuff like there was supposed to be a ceremony at birth, some ritual in Romania where if a twin dies at birth the bond must be seperated.
Anyway, I was thinking this could be an explanation for some of the doppleganger cases. People who frequently see their doppleganger, or other people frequently see it. It could be possible that at birth they were supposed to be a twin, but the twin died.
It's a commonly known phenomena of twins seperated at birth sharing many traits, sharing telepathic thoughts, having the same vocation, knowing when something happens to the other, etc. Things that would be amazing coincidences. Well, this may also take effect even if one of the twins die. Some bond between them, causing the doppleganger phenomenon.
I'm sure a lot of people that may have had a twin that died at birth don't even know it. Their parents might have kept the information from them for obvious reasons.
Anyway, I was thinking this could be an explanation for some of the doppleganger cases. People who frequently see their doppleganger, or other people frequently see it. It could be possible that at birth they were supposed to be a twin, but the twin died.
It's a commonly known phenomena of twins seperated at birth sharing many traits, sharing telepathic thoughts, having the same vocation, knowing when something happens to the other, etc. Things that would be amazing coincidences. Well, this may also take effect even if one of the twins die. Some bond between them, causing the doppleganger phenomenon.
I'm sure a lot of people that may have had a twin that died at birth don't even know it. Their parents might have kept the information from them for obvious reasons.
Wow, I can't believe I never thought of this! VERY interesting theory! I always wondered why someone would have a doppelganger. At least your theory is more logical.
QUOTE(Ashiene @ Mar 22 2007, 01:35 AM) [snapback]1594037[/snapback]
my view on doppelegangers stem from a theory known as the Choice Theory. This theory states that for every choice you make, an alternate dimension will be created for that choice you didn't make, and your mirror image would exist in that dimension independently. so doppelegangers may be our mirror images from other realms visiting us in this plane of existance, caused by tears in dimensional space that allow them to gain access into this dimension.
I've always thought that about our choices.
QUOTE(Ashiene @ Mar 21 2007, 07:35 PM) [snapback]1594037[/snapback]
my view on doppelegangers stem from a theory known as the Choice Theory. This theory states that for every choice you make, an alternate dimension will be created for that choice you didn't make, and your mirror image would exist in that dimension independently. so doppelegangers may be our mirror images from other realms visiting us in this plane of existance, caused by tears in dimensional space that allow them to gain access into this dimension.
yes, this is true...in some respectsQUOTE(geministwin160 @ Mar 22 2007, 07:10 AM) [snapback]1594561[/snapback]
I've always thought that about our choices.
the above statement in many ways CAN be a choice wouldn't you agree?....BQUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Mar 22 2007, 01:42 PM) [snapback]1594604[/snapback]
yes, this is true...in some respects
the above statement in many ways CAN be a choice wouldn't you agree?....B
the above statement in many ways CAN be a choice wouldn't you agree?....B
yes...it's my choice to believe it.
I know nothing about doppelgangers, only what I have read in snippets here and there lol. One of which said that if you were to meet your own doppelganger you would be in danger.
I have no idea whether this is true or not lol.
I have no idea whether this is true or not lol.
I'm sort of thrown off a little by this dopplehanger thing.
When I younger I would go spend time with my aunt in Florida- (4 hour drive). So (in one example), my folks would call there at my aunts in major panic and ask if I was there b/c they had just seen me walk thru the livng room to go to the kitchen- turn go back down the hall to my room. But, I was in the bed asleep the whole time in Florida at my aunts-- It didn't dawn on them until after I had walked back to my bedroom that I was NOT there, but at my aunts! This freaked my parents out in a big way....
Is this the same thing as dopplehanger???
? There are people are are able to be in two places at the same time (intentionally or non), or what about those who astral project? Can others see them in other places sometimes... dunno, just sorting this out with dopplehanger stuff. :}
When I younger I would go spend time with my aunt in Florida- (4 hour drive). So (in one example), my folks would call there at my aunts in major panic and ask if I was there b/c they had just seen me walk thru the livng room to go to the kitchen- turn go back down the hall to my room. But, I was in the bed asleep the whole time in Florida at my aunts-- It didn't dawn on them until after I had walked back to my bedroom that I was NOT there, but at my aunts! This freaked my parents out in a big way....
Is this the same thing as dopplehanger???
? There are people are are able to be in two places at the same time (intentionally or non), or what about those who astral project? Can others see them in other places sometimes... dunno, just sorting this out with dopplehanger stuff. :}
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Mar 22 2007, 12:17 PM) [snapback]1594964[/snapback]
I'm sort of thrown off a little by this doppleganger thing.
Is this the same thing as doppleganger???
? There are people are are able to be in two places at the same time (intentionally or non), or what about those who astral project? Can others see them in other places sometimes... dunno, just sorting this out with doppleganger stuff. :}
YO!Is this the same thing as doppleganger???
? There are people are are able to be in two places at the same time (intentionally or non), or what about those who astral project? Can others see them in other places sometimes... dunno, just sorting this out with doppleganger stuff. :}
I don't think what you are asking is the same as what OM is describing......I DO know that was a big time spiderman foe in the 80s...(Doppleganger) I thought AP"self" myself.......can we project our negativity out with the AP-"ME" ?........B
heha. That's why I was asking- i'm bit confuuuzled on this whole self projecting, traveling, dopplehanging thing. 
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Mar 22 2007, 06:17 PM) [snapback]1594964[/snapback]
? There are people are are able to be in two places at the same time (intentionally or non), or what about those who astral project? Can others see them in other places sometimes... dunno, just sorting this out with dopplehanger stuff. :}
Maybe a thread should be started about this subject (seeing someone in one place whilst they are, in fact, in another place).
This is bi-location - very, vary rare if you can do it consciously, at will. Rare if you can do it without realizing.
Astral Travel/projection is not usually seen by other living people. Someone who is APing, is invisible to the vast majority of people and anyone who did happen to see the APing "spirit" would most probably by mediumistic.
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Mar 22 2007, 08:47 PM) [snapback]1595513[/snapback]
Maybe a thread should be started about this subject (seeing someone in one place whilst they are, in fact, in another place).
This is bi-location - very, vary rare if you can do it consciously, at will. Rare if you can do it without realizing.
Astral Travel/projection is not usually seen by other living people. Someone who is APing, is invisible to the vast majority of people and anyone who did happen to see the APing "spirit" would most probably by mediumistic.
This is bi-location - very, vary rare if you can do it consciously, at will. Rare if you can do it without realizing.
Astral Travel/projection is not usually seen by other living people. Someone who is APing, is invisible to the vast majority of people and anyone who did happen to see the APing "spirit" would most probably by mediumistic.
Yea, I understood some prophets or saints were able to bi- locate & I wasn't aware that a medium could see someone APing possibly. This is very interesting stuff.
I think there might be other cases that mock the doppleganger effect, like APing. The three scenerios I see that can create a doppleganger effect is astral projection, bi-location or ourselves tripping into a parallel universe and the bond of twins.
QUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Mar 22 2007, 09:37 PM) [snapback]1595193[/snapback]
YO!
I don't think what you are asking is the same as what OM is describing......I DO know that was a big time spiderman foe in the 80s...(Doppleganger) I thought AP"self" myself.......can we project our negativity out with the AP-"ME" ?........B
I don't think what you are asking is the same as what OM is describing......I DO know that was a big time spiderman foe in the 80s...(Doppleganger) I thought AP"self" myself.......can we project our negativity out with the AP-"ME" ?........B
Interesting analogy..
I do believe that their may be mirror dimensions out there where our other selfs make the decisions or do the things we chose against or chose to do in this reality..
There was a few episodes in Stargate SG1 very similar to this... You may be married to a girl in this dimension but in the mirror dimenion(s) you may only just be friends.
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ Mar 24 2007, 03:25 PM) [snapback]1598367[/snapback]
I think there might be other cases that mock the doppleganger effect, like APing. The three scenerios I see that can create a doppleganger effect is astral projection, bi-location or ourselves tripping into a parallel universe and the bond of twins.
Yes, how could this also apply to a relationship with a shadow entity?.....symbiosis anyone?......B 
discuss...
I remember an "Afraid of the Dark" episode when I was a kid about the shadow people. These kids used these goggles that drew them into parallel universes where the shadow people lived. It was cool because when they put the goggles on in a basketball court they saw shadow people playing basketball with a shadow basketball.
I think there's been people before saying they think shadow people are part of another universe that is leaking into our own.
I think there's been people before saying they think shadow people are part of another universe that is leaking into our own.
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ Mar 24 2007, 05:56 PM) [snapback]1598566[/snapback]
I think there's been people before saying they think shadow people are part of another universe that is leaking into our own.
I have been struggling for a definative answer myself on that one....but the last extreme SP I had (voice lock, the whole shot) fit the description of some sort of shadow entity manifestation......I'm wondering if they are natural PSI Vampires that drain stress and anxiety from us ESPs in our sleep...most of us recent "turn-ups" have seen these things.....my theory is that the act of getting PSI drained in turn opens up whatever receptors enable PSI abilities to function.....Bhalfhandshuffle:LOG-the faded line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fz97U9TzH3U...ted&search=
I think so personally. My theory is that when certain entities drain try to drain your energy they create a shift in the flow of energy in your body. This change in flow alters your body's emf field resulting in sleep paralysis. Kind of like how vampire bats and other blood drinkers numb the area and secrete enzymes which make the blood flow better. This is that act, but without the energy having something phsyical to manifest itself into.
Just the presence of some entity emitting or focusing the right kind of emf towards you could trigger SP, so it doesn't always have to be something negative. It's easier to get through to our subconcious and unconscious mind while it is in an altered state of consciousness, like through hypnosis or hypnogogia, or simply through dreams.
Just the presence of some entity emitting or focusing the right kind of emf towards you could trigger SP, so it doesn't always have to be something negative. It's easier to get through to our subconcious and unconscious mind while it is in an altered state of consciousness, like through hypnosis or hypnogogia, or simply through dreams.
I think this whole doppelgänger phenomenon is fascinating and could be describing three or more things. From a far out perspective, it could be aliens dressed in human form. So they can walk about in our world. From a scientific far out perspective, it could be parallel universes, accidentally converging. Or a better term would be a "glitch in the matrix". Another possibility is AP. Let's say you're suppose to take out the trash. You're tired, but you get up and do it anyway. While your outside with the trash, your mom walks by your room. She sees you laying in the bed. Yells at you to get up. She hears the door slam, that's you enter the house after dumping the trash. So. Who was on the bed, just a moment ago? My theory is, that the person actually astrally projected themselves lying down. Since they never wanted to get up in the first place. Picturing themselves in the ideal position they wanted to be in.
Has anyone ever heard the story of Emilie Sagée. I find it very interesting that see could supposedly bilocate at will or whenever she felt the need to be somewhere else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelganger#Emilie_Sag.C3.A9e
Has anyone ever heard the story of Emilie Sagée. I find it very interesting that see could supposedly bilocate at will or whenever she felt the need to be somewhere else.
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Emilie Sagée
Robert Dale Owen was responsible for writing down the singular case of Emilie Sagée. He was told this anecdote by Julie von Güldenstubbe, a Latvian aristocrat. Von Güldenstubbe reported that in the year 1845–46, at the age of 13, she witnessed, along with audiences of between 13 and 42 children, her 32-year-old French teacher Sagée bilocate, in broad daylight, inside her school, Pensionat von Neuwelcke. The actions of Sagée's doppelgänger included:
Mimicking writing and eating, but with nothing in its hands.
Moving independently of Sagée, and remaining motionless while she moved.
Appearing to be in full health at a time when Sagée was badly ill.
Apparently, the doppelgänger also exerted resistance to the touch, but was non-physical (one girl passed through the doppelgänger's body).
Robert Dale Owen was responsible for writing down the singular case of Emilie Sagée. He was told this anecdote by Julie von Güldenstubbe, a Latvian aristocrat. Von Güldenstubbe reported that in the year 1845–46, at the age of 13, she witnessed, along with audiences of between 13 and 42 children, her 32-year-old French teacher Sagée bilocate, in broad daylight, inside her school, Pensionat von Neuwelcke. The actions of Sagée's doppelgänger included:
Mimicking writing and eating, but with nothing in its hands.
Moving independently of Sagée, and remaining motionless while she moved.
Appearing to be in full health at a time when Sagée was badly ill.
Apparently, the doppelgänger also exerted resistance to the touch, but was non-physical (one girl passed through the doppelgänger's body).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelganger#Emilie_Sag.C3.A9e
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doppelganger#...rietal_junction
Scientific investigations
Left temporoparietal junction
In September 2006 it was reported in Nature [2] that Shahar Arzy and colleagues of the University Hospital, Geneva, Switzerland, had unexpectedly reproduced an effect strongly reminiscent of the doppelgänger phenomenon via the electromagnetic stimulation of a patient's brain. They applied focal electrical stimulation to a patient's left temporoparietal junction while she lay flat on a bed. The patient immediately felt the presence of another person in her "extrapersonal space". Other than epilepsy, for which the patient was being treated, she was psychologically fit.
The other person was described as young, of indeterminate sex, silent, motionless, and with a body posture identical to her own. The other person was located exactly behind her, almost touching and therefore within the bed that the patient was lying on.
A second electrical stimulation was applied with slightly more intensity, while the patient was sitting up with her arms folded. This time the patient felt the presence of a "man" who had his arms wrapped around her. She described the sensation as highly unpleasant and electrical stimulation was stopped.
Finally, when the patient was seated, electrical stimulation was applied while the patient was asked to perform language test with a set of flash cards. On this occasion the patient reported the presence of a sitting person, displaced behind her and to the right. She said that the presence was attempting to interfere with the test: "He wants to take the card; he doesn’t want me to read." Again, the effect was disturbing and electrical stimulation was ceased.
Similar effects were found for different positions and postures when electrical stimulation exceeded 10 mA, at the left temporoparietal junction.
Arzy and his colleagues suggest that the left temporoparietal junction of the brain evokes the sensation of self image—body location, position, posture etc. When the left temporoparietal junction is disturbed, the sensation of self-attribution is broken and may be replaced by the sensation of a foreign presence or copy of oneself displaced nearby. This copy mirrors the real person's body posture, location and position. Arzy and his colleagues suggest that the phenomenon they created is seen in certain mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia, particularly when accompanied by paranoia, delusions of persecution and of alien control. Nevertheless, the effects reported are highly reminiscent of the doppelgänger phenomenon. Accordingly, some reports of doppelgängers may well be due to failure of the left temporoparietal junction.
See monothematic delusion for a detailed description of various psychological problems including the syndrome of subjective doubles, which may be related to the doppelgänger. See also out-of-body experience for the related work of Olof Blanke.
Scientific investigations
Left temporoparietal junction
In September 2006 it was reported in Nature [2] that Shahar Arzy and colleagues of the University Hospital, Geneva, Switzerland, had unexpectedly reproduced an effect strongly reminiscent of the doppelgänger phenomenon via the electromagnetic stimulation of a patient's brain. They applied focal electrical stimulation to a patient's left temporoparietal junction while she lay flat on a bed. The patient immediately felt the presence of another person in her "extrapersonal space". Other than epilepsy, for which the patient was being treated, she was psychologically fit.
The other person was described as young, of indeterminate sex, silent, motionless, and with a body posture identical to her own. The other person was located exactly behind her, almost touching and therefore within the bed that the patient was lying on.
A second electrical stimulation was applied with slightly more intensity, while the patient was sitting up with her arms folded. This time the patient felt the presence of a "man" who had his arms wrapped around her. She described the sensation as highly unpleasant and electrical stimulation was stopped.
Finally, when the patient was seated, electrical stimulation was applied while the patient was asked to perform language test with a set of flash cards. On this occasion the patient reported the presence of a sitting person, displaced behind her and to the right. She said that the presence was attempting to interfere with the test: "He wants to take the card; he doesn’t want me to read." Again, the effect was disturbing and electrical stimulation was ceased.
Similar effects were found for different positions and postures when electrical stimulation exceeded 10 mA, at the left temporoparietal junction.
Arzy and his colleagues suggest that the left temporoparietal junction of the brain evokes the sensation of self image—body location, position, posture etc. When the left temporoparietal junction is disturbed, the sensation of self-attribution is broken and may be replaced by the sensation of a foreign presence or copy of oneself displaced nearby. This copy mirrors the real person's body posture, location and position. Arzy and his colleagues suggest that the phenomenon they created is seen in certain mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia, particularly when accompanied by paranoia, delusions of persecution and of alien control. Nevertheless, the effects reported are highly reminiscent of the doppelgänger phenomenon. Accordingly, some reports of doppelgängers may well be due to failure of the left temporoparietal junction.
See monothematic delusion for a detailed description of various psychological problems including the syndrome of subjective doubles, which may be related to the doppelgänger. See also out-of-body experience for the related work of Olof Blanke.
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ Mar 25 2007, 04:56 PM) [snapback]1599609[/snapback]
I think so personally. My theory is that when certain entities drain try to drain your energy they create a shift in the flow of energy in your body. This change in flow alters your body's emf field resulting in sleep paralysis. Kind of like how vampire bats and other blood drinkers numb the area and secrete enzymes which make the blood flow better. This is that act, but without the energy having something phsyical to manifest itself into.
Just the presence of some entity emitting or focusing the right kind of emf towards you could trigger SP, so it doesn't always have to be something negative. It's easier to get through to our subconcious and unconscious mind while it is in an altered state of consciousness, like through hypnosis or hypnogogia, or simply through dreams.
Or maybe they are pulling ectoplasm from the sleeping victims in order to gain a materialized form....BJust the presence of some entity emitting or focusing the right kind of emf towards you could trigger SP, so it doesn't always have to be something negative. It's easier to get through to our subconcious and unconscious mind while it is in an altered state of consciousness, like through hypnosis or hypnogogia, or simply through dreams.
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....Arzy and his colleagues suggest that the phenomenon they created is seen in certain mental illnesses, such as schizophrenia, particularly when accompanied by paranoia, delusions of persecution and of alien control. Nevertheless, the effects reported are highly reminiscent of the doppelgänger phenomenon. Accordingly, some reports of doppelgängers may well be due to failure of the left temporoparietal junction.....
I have never heard that one ....hope the skeptics have their notebooks open.......B 
^Huh?
All that said was that they could re-create the doppleganger effect in the lab with electrical stimulation.
Cool. I think it weighs in more for skeptics because if EMFs are present it could make people think they are seeing their doppleganger....
That's what I got out of it.
All that said was that they could re-create the doppleganger effect in the lab with electrical stimulation.
Cool. I think it weighs in more for skeptics because if EMFs are present it could make people think they are seeing their doppleganger....
That's what I got out of it.
I honestly think everything can be explained through science, but of course we haven't figured it all out yet.
Like I said earlier, doppelganger phenomenon could be a couple of things, I really believe in String Theory. And that other "dimensions" could be a good alternative to paranormal activity.
Like I said earlier, doppelganger phenomenon could be a couple of things, I really believe in String Theory. And that other "dimensions" could be a good alternative to paranormal activity.
QUOTE(Opus Magnus @ Mar 22 2007, 01:03 AM) [snapback]1593984[/snapback]
I was watching the X-Files a few weeks back, the subject of the episode was a kid who seemed to be possessed. Turned out he wasn't possessed, but it was the spirit of his twin who died at birth. It had stuff like there was supposed to be a ceremony at birth, some ritual in Romania where if a twin dies at birth the bond must be seperated.
Anyway, I was thinking this could be an explanation for some of the doppleganger cases. People who frequently see their doppleganger, or other people frequently see it. It could be possible that at birth they were supposed to be a twin, but the twin died.
It's a commonly known phenomena of twins seperated at birth sharing many traits, sharing telepathic thoughts, having the same vocation, knowing when something happens to the other, etc. Things that would be amazing coincidences. Well, this may also take effect even if one of the twins die. Some bond between them, causing the doppleganger phenomenon.
I'm sure a lot of people that may have had a twin that died at birth don't even know it. Their parents might have kept the information from them for obvious reasons.
Anyway, I was thinking this could be an explanation for some of the doppleganger cases. People who frequently see their doppleganger, or other people frequently see it. It could be possible that at birth they were supposed to be a twin, but the twin died.
It's a commonly known phenomena of twins seperated at birth sharing many traits, sharing telepathic thoughts, having the same vocation, knowing when something happens to the other, etc. Things that would be amazing coincidences. Well, this may also take effect even if one of the twins die. Some bond between them, causing the doppleganger phenomenon.
I'm sure a lot of people that may have had a twin that died at birth don't even know it. Their parents might have kept the information from them for obvious reasons.
Hello Opus Magnus, dopplegangers are one of three things.
1) an alternate you that has managed to get here.
2) a manifestation of another layer, creature pretending it's whoever their dopplizing.
3) another you that has managed to gain some control, on where it is they may go within the layers.
The twin theory is a good one though, for they are closer in mind to one another, and do share a feeling of it at the very least. They are still individuals, yet they know each other more intimately then strangers do. Or even a family member. Many secrets are shared by them, and they have the most chance of actually manifesting some sort of power. That would stem from the energy that they may share unknowingly, or knowingly.
Never would i have another live with a lie, if a sibling died, i would tell the other. All of the people here were not asked to be here{the world} they are here because of the selfisness of those already here. They were not asked. They could be though, but all those methods are secret. Civilization is nothing more then a forced progression of slaves, brought here without their being asked, and forced to the views of those in power.
The down and dirty version. Though what i desribed can be told with different viewpoints, it will never change what i just wrote, only covered up with different meanings.{distorted} Much of what people see that has found it's way into fairytales or fantasy{horror} has been distorted.
Good topic.
Do people categories bi-location as the same phenomenon?
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Do people categories bi-location as the same phenomenon?
I think so. Doppleganger seems to be the label of the effect, not the cause.
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I Have a Soda and You Don't
From http://www.castleofspirits.com/stories04/husbands.html
May, 2004
I was taking a nap during the day and I awoke (why I woke up at that particular moment I don't know) to my husband standing beside my bed. Strangely enough he was drinking a 20-ounce bottle of soda and shaking his hips back and forth as if to say "Ha ha, I have a soda and you don't!" -- like a child would, I suppose. Immediately I became aggravated, and I sat up and yelled, "Louis, go away and leave me alone!" As I watched, fully awake and right before my eyes, my "husband" started to disappear from the feet up in a fashion that looked digital! I began to be able to see that "he" was made of little squares and they were quickly disappearing from his feet up until he was completely gone! I have NEVER been so freaked out in all of my life!
The other thing about this vision was that it was completely deathly silent. There was no sound at all and it was almost like there was a vacuum or as though the thing itself made everything around it even more silent. For example, my fan that was beside my bed didn't seem to be making a sound. I immediately went upstairs and called him on his cell. He was (and had been all day) in Alabama working! (He is a railroad supervisor).
The things I know for sure are: 1. That "thing" was NOT my husband. 2. I was definitely awake and not dreaming because I went directly upstairs after seeing "it." 3. I know the everyday term for these things are "doppelgangers."
I want to know more. What exactly is behind a "doppelganger"? What or who is it that makes them occur? Also, if anyone is an expert on these things, I would be interested to know why it chose to imitate my husband, and why the dorky childish "soda dance"? I have seen paranormal things in the past but to see evidence of a ghost makes sense -- you know what they are and pretty much where they come from. But this thing is just too bizarre to me!
What creeps me out the most about it...I wonder how long "it" stood over me while I was sleeping before I sensed it and woke up and saw it!!
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Addendum, 6/10/04
My husband felt nothing [unusual] the day it happened. I don't know if it matters or not but he is not sensitive at all. He has seen things that cannot be explained and he still won't admit that he witnessed something supernatural.
I have NO idea why I saw what I did. I have a strong impression that the "spirit" thought it was really funny to "torment" me like it did. I really don't understand it at all, and the way it disappeared was indeed WEIRD! I must have had my eyes on each "square" as that thing "dissolved"! I was really freaked out by that!
My husband thinks it was my mind playing tricks, but I was awake and talking to "it"!
-- Mona Lisa R., Georgia
From http://www.castleofspirits.com/stories04/husbands.html
May, 2004
I was taking a nap during the day and I awoke (why I woke up at that particular moment I don't know) to my husband standing beside my bed. Strangely enough he was drinking a 20-ounce bottle of soda and shaking his hips back and forth as if to say "Ha ha, I have a soda and you don't!" -- like a child would, I suppose. Immediately I became aggravated, and I sat up and yelled, "Louis, go away and leave me alone!" As I watched, fully awake and right before my eyes, my "husband" started to disappear from the feet up in a fashion that looked digital! I began to be able to see that "he" was made of little squares and they were quickly disappearing from his feet up until he was completely gone! I have NEVER been so freaked out in all of my life!
The other thing about this vision was that it was completely deathly silent. There was no sound at all and it was almost like there was a vacuum or as though the thing itself made everything around it even more silent. For example, my fan that was beside my bed didn't seem to be making a sound. I immediately went upstairs and called him on his cell. He was (and had been all day) in Alabama working! (He is a railroad supervisor).
The things I know for sure are: 1. That "thing" was NOT my husband. 2. I was definitely awake and not dreaming because I went directly upstairs after seeing "it." 3. I know the everyday term for these things are "doppelgangers."
I want to know more. What exactly is behind a "doppelganger"? What or who is it that makes them occur? Also, if anyone is an expert on these things, I would be interested to know why it chose to imitate my husband, and why the dorky childish "soda dance"? I have seen paranormal things in the past but to see evidence of a ghost makes sense -- you know what they are and pretty much where they come from. But this thing is just too bizarre to me!
What creeps me out the most about it...I wonder how long "it" stood over me while I was sleeping before I sensed it and woke up and saw it!!
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Addendum, 6/10/04
My husband felt nothing [unusual] the day it happened. I don't know if it matters or not but he is not sensitive at all. He has seen things that cannot be explained and he still won't admit that he witnessed something supernatural.
I have NO idea why I saw what I did. I have a strong impression that the "spirit" thought it was really funny to "torment" me like it did. I really don't understand it at all, and the way it disappeared was indeed WEIRD! I must have had my eyes on each "square" as that thing "dissolved"! I was really freaked out by that!
My husband thinks it was my mind playing tricks, but I was awake and talking to "it"!
-- Mona Lisa R., Georgia
http://members.aol.com/doppelgangers2/soda.html
Whoa.
I don't know what to think about this stuff.
I have absolutely no experience whatsoever with this, EXCEPT:
A friend of my son's was at our house one day, and he always liked to tell me about his spiritual experiences.
He said that he was "Astralling" and met his "Other Self", which everyone must face at some time, and it beat the crap out of him...
Anyone?...
I don't know what to think about this stuff.
I have absolutely no experience whatsoever with this, EXCEPT:
A friend of my son's was at our house one day, and he always liked to tell me about his spiritual experiences.
He said that he was "Astralling" and met his "Other Self", which everyone must face at some time, and it beat the crap out of him...
Anyone?...
^ He beat himself up??
Probably himselfs way of telling him to stay away from that alien stuff.
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Back to the Future
From http://www.ghosts.org/stories/tales/doppelganger-child.html
[Around 1995], my cousin and I got into a conversation about the supernatural. We talked about Ouija, reincarnation, ghosts and stuff, until he decided to tell me something he experienced a long time ago.
It's a bit difficult where to start, since they're actually two separate experiences, but they do tie together. I'll just tell 'em in chronological order, as he told me.
Around 1962, when my cousin was about four years old, he was sitting in the middle of the living room of his house. He remembers in detail what was going on at that moment.
They had visitors, and his parents let him play with his toys while they had a conversation. He remembers he was very sad about something, when suddenly his attention was drawn to an upper corner of the room. He looked up, and saw a spirit 'floating' up there, which was watching him.
He failed to recognize it, although it seemed very familiar. The spirit had a rather sad expression on its face. Then suddenly, he recognized the face as being his own, but only 20 years later. He just knew he was watching himself, my cousin explained, although he couldn't have had any idea what he would like in the future. He just sensed it.
He kept staring at the older 'spirit' of himself, and, after a few seconds, the face showed some kind of recognition and smiled at him. After a friendly nod, it disappeared. His parents were still conversing with their friends.
About 20 years later, he came home from work and was pretty tired. If I recall correctly, he had some troubles with his girlfriend at the time, and had no interest in watching TV, so he planned to go to bed early.
He sat down on the sofa and suddenly he felt a presence -- it felt as if he wasn't alone in the room. His attention was drawn to a corner of a room, where he saw a little kid playing with some toys! He remembers staring at it, while blinking his eyes to make sure he was awake, but the kid really was there.
Again, he didn't immediately recognize the child, but the kid didn't seem afraid at all, and even showed recognition on his face. A few seconds later he realized what was going on. He was looking at himself when he was a kid! Over the years, he never remembered his initial experience, nor did he really understand what happened back then, but in a fraction of a second, he recalled the experience he had as a kid. He felt a bit sorry about the kid/himself being sad, and tried to comfort him with a friendly nod. The kid smiled back at him and vanished.
I'm the only one he has ever told this story to, and although I have never heard anything like this again, it really fascinates me. I know there a name for experiences similar to this (people seeing their own ghost), but IÕve never heard a story of people seeing themselves at different ages.
Any comments on what this could be, what could have caused it, or similar experiences?
--Dave C.
From http://www.ghosts.org/stories/tales/doppelganger-child.html
[Around 1995], my cousin and I got into a conversation about the supernatural. We talked about Ouija, reincarnation, ghosts and stuff, until he decided to tell me something he experienced a long time ago.
It's a bit difficult where to start, since they're actually two separate experiences, but they do tie together. I'll just tell 'em in chronological order, as he told me.
Around 1962, when my cousin was about four years old, he was sitting in the middle of the living room of his house. He remembers in detail what was going on at that moment.
They had visitors, and his parents let him play with his toys while they had a conversation. He remembers he was very sad about something, when suddenly his attention was drawn to an upper corner of the room. He looked up, and saw a spirit 'floating' up there, which was watching him.
He failed to recognize it, although it seemed very familiar. The spirit had a rather sad expression on its face. Then suddenly, he recognized the face as being his own, but only 20 years later. He just knew he was watching himself, my cousin explained, although he couldn't have had any idea what he would like in the future. He just sensed it.
He kept staring at the older 'spirit' of himself, and, after a few seconds, the face showed some kind of recognition and smiled at him. After a friendly nod, it disappeared. His parents were still conversing with their friends.
About 20 years later, he came home from work and was pretty tired. If I recall correctly, he had some troubles with his girlfriend at the time, and had no interest in watching TV, so he planned to go to bed early.
He sat down on the sofa and suddenly he felt a presence -- it felt as if he wasn't alone in the room. His attention was drawn to a corner of a room, where he saw a little kid playing with some toys! He remembers staring at it, while blinking his eyes to make sure he was awake, but the kid really was there.
Again, he didn't immediately recognize the child, but the kid didn't seem afraid at all, and even showed recognition on his face. A few seconds later he realized what was going on. He was looking at himself when he was a kid! Over the years, he never remembered his initial experience, nor did he really understand what happened back then, but in a fraction of a second, he recalled the experience he had as a kid. He felt a bit sorry about the kid/himself being sad, and tried to comfort him with a friendly nod. The kid smiled back at him and vanished.
I'm the only one he has ever told this story to, and although I have never heard anything like this again, it really fascinates me. I know there a name for experiences similar to this (people seeing their own ghost), but IÕve never heard a story of people seeing themselves at different ages.
Any comments on what this could be, what could have caused it, or similar experiences?
--Dave C.
http://members.aol.com/doppelgangers2/backtothefuture.html
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