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Legatus Legionis
What if the DNA strand that the flea has to jump 10 times their body lenght be injected into human DNA thru Genetic Manipulation ( if such a word exist ). and the dung beetle that uses superstrength to push a ball of dung that is 5 ~ 10 times their body weight. i hope scientist mingle with this and insert this superhuman abilities in our DNA. that would make life easier.
JeremyGTS
sounds cool and all but they cant just start injecting humans with DNA and not like we would be able to go in and get a "DNA upgrade" i THINK if something like this was possible it would have to be injected as we were developing in the womb? not sure frogfish would be the man to ask he knows lots about DNA...


anyway if they did start doing this what happens to the people who become criminals? they would destory law enforcement and everything we cant have a mutant xmen style war

i wish this were possible it would be awesome i think id want to be Gambit haha or Spiderman... (was on xmen cartoon before) lol
Legatus Legionis
ahaha.. Xmen Wars never even crossed my mind. ( thinks of it and get's excited ) ahahahah. Why not inject it to someones sperm cell and let the natural process handle the rest. wouldn't be that possible?
Starry_eyes
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Lotus Flower
I don't think I would like my DNA to have been changed, who knows what they may be really putting there. (I suppose the DNA of a snail to enable someone to slide over the edge of a razor blade and not get cut or something lol)
Legatus Legionis
ofcourse there's a little FACT in every FICTION. maybe someday they'll find a way. by eliminating the need to be small just to aquire the superstrength, etc. there always that little chance ...
Mattshark
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Mar 22 2007, 05:10 PM) [snapback]1594892[/snapback]
I don't think I would like my DNA to have been changed, who knows what they may be really putting there. (I suppose the DNA of a snail to enable someone to slide over the edge of a razor blade and not get cut or something lol)

No you can have fiction wholey lacking in any fact what so ever.
Legatus Legionis
QUOTE(Lotus Flower @ Mar 23 2007, 01:10 AM) [snapback]1594892[/snapback]
I don't think I would like my DNA to have been changed, who knows what they may be really putting there. (I suppose the DNA of a snail to enable someone to slide over the edge of a razor blade and not get cut or something lol)


ofcourse they would inform you, before they proceed. ahaha but ofcourse you'll not be the one who'll benefit from the DNA change. it would be your Descendants
f3liC
Like the anime of the Gundam Seed Series... there probably will be a war of those who are injected with superhuman abilities and those who are "naturals"... or so i think
Ryo Ohki
I have better senses than most people.
Kalien
We shouldn't go there.
Legatus Legionis
QUOTE(Kaylee @ Mar 23 2007, 11:51 AM) [snapback]1595712[/snapback]
We shouldn't go there.

why? modifying DNA's are that bad? give me reason. thanks..
Kalien
QUOTE(Kretos @ Mar 23 2007, 03:53 AM) [snapback]1595713[/snapback]
why? modifying DNA's are that bad? give me reason. thanks..



We shouldn't give ourselves super powers because those powers would just be abused. Humans love to abuse power.
Mattshark
QUOTE(Kaylee @ Mar 23 2007, 04:12 AM) [snapback]1595732[/snapback]
We shouldn't give ourselves super powers because those powers would just be abused. Humans love to abuse power.

It would not be possible anyway don't worry. Nearly everything ou would have to do would have to be done embryonically other wise it would most likely just be fatal. Secondly, you really can't break the laws of physics.
Kalien
QUOTE(Mattshark @ Mar 23 2007, 06:28 PM) [snapback]1596534[/snapback]
It would not be possible anyway don't worry. Nearly everything ou would have to do would have to be done embryonically other wise it would most likely just be fatal. Secondly, you really can't break the laws of physics.


It's possible. There are lots of things we do that our ancestors never thought possible so I don't see why this one can't be, though it is highly unlikely that it can be done.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(Kaylee @ Mar 23 2007, 02:22 PM) [snapback]1596620[/snapback]
It's possible. There are lots of things we do that our ancestors never thought possible so I don't see why this one can't be, though it is highly unlikely that it can be done.

Being able to fly with our mind is not one of them.
Raptor
QUOTE(Kaylee @ Mar 23 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]1596620[/snapback]
It's possible. There are lots of things we do that our ancestors never thought possible so I don't see why this one can't be, though it is highly unlikely that it can be done.


With our current technology, it's not possible.

Kretos, the problem is that it's not as simple as finding some gene which allows you to 'jump' and then taking that for our own use. It's a lot more complicated.

Basically our DNA is a very long chemical strand. On this strand are things called 'bases', which are essentially our body's code. There are four different bases and depending on the order they're lined up in, they tell the body to create different amino acids. These amino acids then create proteins, and proteins then create the structure of your cells, which make up your organs etc.

To be able to jump 50ft high, you'd need extremely powerful muscles, you'd need a completely altered metabolic system (think of all the energy you will need), a new cardiovascular system in order to deliver this energy to your muscles, you'd probably need a completely modified skeleton to reduce your weight and so on.

Now in reverse, think about the organs which you would need to modify, then consider they're made up of cells, made up of proteins, made up of amino acids, which are ultimately controlled by genes. You would need to change such an extraordinarily large number of genes...it's just not going to happen any time soon.
Mattshark
QUOTE(Kaylee @ Mar 23 2007, 07:22 PM) [snapback]1596620[/snapback]
It's possible. There are lots of things we do that our ancestors never thought possible so I don't see why this one can't be, though it is highly unlikely that it can be done.

Thing about mutating cells of someone already an born is it 99.999999999999% of the time lead to death of the subject. The only way to do it would be embryonicly, however the effects would still be unknown and the likely hood is that they would still be death. Muscles also have a limit to the stress they can take, flying would be impossible and high jumping would be a very squishy landing.
The Three Ventriloquists
Maby something abit less fantastic as 50ft jumping like incresed skin density or enhanced reflexes?
Kalien
Bah, I didn't say it could really happen, its just not 100% impossible. Maybe thousands of years from now we will have the technology to give ourselves superpowers, but we shouldn't.
The Three Ventriloquists
Why not? IMO theres always room for improvement and if everyone had them they wouldnt be so bad because the police aswell as civilians would have them. But thats probably only in a perfect world police and rich people will probably only have them because of the cost.
Kalien
QUOTE(The Three Ventriloquists @ Mar 24 2007, 12:48 AM) [snapback]1597126[/snapback]
Why not? IMO theres always room for improvement and if everyone had them they wouldnt be so bad because the police aswell as civilians would have them. But thats probably only in a perfect world police and rich people will probably only have them because of the cost.



Yup, everything in this world revolves around money, power, and status. So things like superpowers and immortality would only be abused. Maybe someday humanity can be trusted with both.
The Three Ventriloquists
well you never know i was only speculating maby by the point where we can change ourselves and give the unborne incredible chances inn life we will have no need for money because who really needs money if you live 200 years+?
Kalien
QUOTE(The Three Ventriloquists @ Mar 24 2007, 01:05 AM) [snapback]1597155[/snapback]
well you never know i was only speculating maby by the point where we can change ourselves and give the unborne incredible chances inn life we will have no need for money because who really needs money if you live 200 years+?



Dunno :3 its a nice thought, I hope I live long enough to see the world become a nice place.
Cadetak
depends on the particular super power...I think that increased regeneration, senses, strength, endurance and other things that we already have can become better(maybe not to the the exstent of the Hulk or Wolverine but a human+1).

Things like weather manipulation(Storm), metalic skin(Colossus), Teleportation(Nightcrawler), magnetism (Magneto), or lazer eyes(Cyclops) are highly unlikely by either evolution or gene manipulation.

Now mutation that cause telekentic or psychic powers (Prof. X, Emma Frost, Jean Grey) depend on whether or not the idea
of psychic powers is real to begin with...if they are then this may be a likely 'next step'.

Legatus Legionis
QUOTE(The Three Ventriloquists @ Mar 24 2007, 09:05 AM) [snapback]1597155[/snapback]
well you never know i was only speculating maby by the point where we can change ourselves and give the unborne incredible chances inn life we will have no need for money because who really needs money if you live 200 years+?


Take for example the Sea Turtle that tend to live 180 + ahaha. wish i could live till the time which we could manipulate complicated genes structure.

QUOTE(Raptor X7)
It's a lot more complicated.

i agree but for the technology that we have now it's 10% chance but the other 90% would practically lead to death. but maybe 20 ~ 30 years from now. maybe that chance would gradually increase. thanks for those who replied. thanks for getting this topic of my head. ^^
Raptor
QUOTE(Kretos @ Mar 24 2007, 10:13 AM) [snapback]1597727[/snapback]
i agree but for the technology that we have now it's 10% chance but the other 90% would practically lead to death. but maybe 20 ~ 30 years from now. maybe that chance would gradually increase. thanks for those who replied. thanks for getting this topic of my head. ^^


Another problem is that so many things are working together. Think of a computer, if you take a single component out, the whole thing can stop working. Now imagine that problem with our genome, which has 3 billion bases.

Right now there's 0% chance to do anything on the scale you're thinking, we can only make changes with a couple of genes at a time at the moment. Although in the future I'm sure it will be possible.
Legatus Legionis
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wish i could live till the time which we could manipulate complicated genes structure.


hehe that's why i included this before answering on your post. we'll we can't be sure, maybe some government secretly funds this kind of experiment.
hafizbms
Even if it is possible, like the X-Men, people will have different view of these people.

Then they will split into 2 kinds, those who feel that they are superior,
Or those who wishes to live harmoniously with the rest of the world.

And this will cause conflict.
So sensically speaking, the Govt will not make project to make superhumans just for war or for fun.

Coz one thing is for sure, the superhumans might just stand up against them.
And everything might go haywire. And the Govt will surely think about this before funding or starting such a project.
Legatus Legionis
QUOTE(hafizbms @ Mar 24 2007, 09:22 PM) [snapback]1597859[/snapback]
Even if it is possible, like the X-Men, people will have different view of these people.

Then they will split into 2 kinds, those who feel that they are superior,
Or those who wishes to live harmoniously with the rest of the world.

And this will cause conflict.
So sensically speaking, the Govt will not make project to make superhumans just for war or for fun.

Coz one thing is for sure, the superhumans might just stand up against them.
And everything might go haywire. And the Govt will surely think about this before funding or starting such a project.

yeah your definitely right! but government only think for themselves and will take the risk so that they'll get what they want. we'll never know ^^
robbieb
no one will shoot lasers from there eyes fly on featherd wings teleport have an advanced healing rate control the climates manupilate metals have amazing abilites to control ones sroundings with there mine control fire run at a super speed have the ability to freeze water around them turn into a metal shoudl i keep going or is that enough no no we wont get x-men liek poweerrs
Mattshark
QUOTE(Kaylee @ Mar 24 2007, 12:40 AM) [snapback]1597117[/snapback]
Bah, I didn't say it could really happen, its just not 100% impossible. Maybe thousands of years from now we will have the technology to give ourselves superpowers, but we shouldn't.

I don't, again we are restricted by physical laws.
hafizbms
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yeah your definitely right! but government only think for themselves and will take the risk so that they'll get what they want. we'll never know ^^


They take risks like that??

One in a million chance. Unless they make mind control devices which is fool-proof, then they'll start doing it.
Other than that, I doubt they'll ever start.
mentalman
THIS IS PROBABLE ALOT OF CRAP: i heard that scientists are experimenting with that now so that they can create super soldiers. i don't believe it! but it would be cool
kobie
lets imagen that 5 years from now the earths magnetic field is alterd and intensifys with a special kind of energised cloud in space this inturn alters the frequency and vibration of brain way patterns ultimatly changeing strenghs and unique ness of dna...thus exhangeing and intermixing all the diversity of the worlds energy life force makeup whether be it computers,materials,communications,animals elements ect.....

chrisfreak
Exoskeleton. I guess that's the only answer to obtain superhuman abilities (basically enhanced strength, higher jump, faster run, and so on. Not things like controlling weather and stuff) for the moment.
SoulFire
QUOTE (Kaylee @ Mar 23 2007, 04:12 AM) *
We shouldn't give ourselves super powers because those powers would just be abused. Humans love to abuse power.


i know i would. what would be the purpose of having "super powers" if ya aint gonna kick a little ass, ya know?
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Celumnaz
QUOTE (kobie @ Oct 25 2007, 02:15 AM) *
lets imagen that 5 years from now the earths magnetic field is alterd and intensifys with a special kind of energised cloud in space this inturn alters the frequency and vibration of brain way patterns ultimatly changeing strenghs and unique ness of dna...thus exhangeing and intermixing all the diversity of the worlds energy life force makeup whether be it computers,materials,communications,animals elements ect.....

I think about that scenario alot. It's fun to think about.
What if all the sudden the physics of the universe changed?

Planes just fall out of the sky.
Generators don't generate electricity anymore.
Electricity as we know it doesn't exsist.
Combustion becomes impossible.
Bodies dissolved and everyone is now pure spirit.
Pyramids start glowing.

just fun thoughts like that.

Oh and I don't think we completely understand our own biology enough to say it's 100% impossible for the OP. To me there's always a % of room for something I didn't know before that could change everything.
Raptor
QUOTE (Celumnaz @ Oct 25 2007, 10:25 PM) *
I think about that scenario alot. It's fun to think about.
What if all the sudden the physics of the universe changed?

Planes just fall out of the sky.
Generators don't generate electricity anymore.
Electricity as we know it doesn't exsist.
Combustion becomes impossible.
Bodies dissolved and everyone is now pure spirit.
Pyramids start glowing.

just fun thoughts like that.


Why would any of that happen? huh.gif

The polarity of the Earth's magnetic field will change, that's all. If you had a compass it would point the wrong way and that's about the extent of the 'damage' you'd notice. You know those little magnets you can buy from the store? Get one of them, now turn it upside down...you'll see that physics still remains in tact.
Celumnaz
QUOTE (Raptor X7 @ Oct 25 2007, 05:13 PM) *
Why would any of that happen? huh.gif

Because I wrote it in that way.

I say I have fun thinking about some of those things mentioned... if you want to ask someone why any of that would happen, why don't you start with:
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special kind of energised cloud in space this inturn alters the frequency and vibration of brain way patterns ultimatly changeing strenghs and unique ness of dna...thus exhangeing and intermixing all the diversity of the worlds energy life force makeup whether be it computers,materials,communications,animals elements ect

?

I'd tend to go with an alteration in the torsion field myself, but that was kobie's process so didn't interferre with it.

Why does this bother you Raptor X7, in a topic titled "Xmen type, Superhuman abilities" created back in March?

Edit: left out a word
Legatus Legionis
QUOTE (kobie @ Oct 25 2007, 03:15 PM) *
lets imagen that 5 years from now the earths magnetic field is alterd and intensifys with a special kind of energised cloud in space this inturn alters the frequency and vibration of brain way patterns ultimatly changeing strenghs and unique ness of dna...thus exhangeing and intermixing all the diversity of the worlds energy life force makeup whether be it computers,materials,communications,animals elements ect.....

Hey.. i know this scenario.. this is from the anime titled Gilgamesh.. ^^
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Just relax guys.. ^^
HardworkingBoy
I do not wish for my DNA to be changed
vocaltalentz
No...humans die because of DNA degradation...if we were able to "magically" have new DNA injected into us, we'd be able to survive for much, much longer. Now if this is possible, then our population would just keep increasing...that's not good.
Ghø§t
QUOTE (Kretos @ Mar 22 2007, 11:50 AM) *
What if the DNA strand that the flea has to jump 10 times their body lenght be injected into human DNA thru Genetic Manipulation ( if such a word exist ). and the dung beetle that uses superstrength to push a ball of dung that is 5 ~ 10 times their body weight. i hope scientist mingle with this and insert this superhuman abilities in our DNA. that would make life easier.

**** dung beetles.. it's all about ants! grin2.gif
Cadetak
The only ones I could see being possible would be Wolverine's(to a lesser degree) because he has the same thing we all have but super increased(healing rate, smell, strength, etc.) and possibily Prof. X or Jean Grey(if psychic powers are real to begin with.)

Some of those X-Men powers don't even make sense in the comic books let alone real life.
Ghø§t
QUOTE (Cadetak47 @ Oct 28 2007, 02:20 PM) *
The only ones I could see being possible would be Wolverine's(to a lesser degree) because he has the same thing we all have but super increased(healing rate, smell, strength, etc.) and possibily Prof. X or Jean Grey(if psychic powers are real to begin with.)

Some of those X-Men powers don't even make sense in the comic books let alone real life.


Yeah.. people like for example, The Hulk. He has awesome powers but I don't think those could exist. We would have to experiment for soooooo long with radiation to find a gamma ray burst that wouldn't kill us. And even then.. it would be next to impossible. And the whole transformation aspect makes it seem nearly impossible without our body completely destroying itself.
Torgo
The problem with the flea example is that THAT particular one is a question of physics, not genetics. Fleas can jump that far because they are so small. Mass goes up with the 3rd power of size, while muscular strength only goes up with the 2nd power. At tiny sizes, muscles are fantastically strong (compared to the size of the organism). As you get larger though, your muscles need to work harder and harder to move your mass. You run up to a limit.

Its also important to remember that there isnt a "strength gene" or a "eyesight gene". Genetics is not like a blueprint. Its more like a recipe - all these interacting peices of DNA that make proteins that interact with each other and other pieces of DNA, changing the expression of still other genes, setting off cascades of expression and differentiation... you can't just take one gene out and say "this is the gene that controls your eyes". It doesn't work like that.

Lets see... With the current state of genetic understanding, I'd say that the following genetic modifications are at least remotely possible:
- Enhanced color vision with the ability to distinguish tiny shade differences - but only in females (kind of a complicated reason there...)
- Greater muscle mass - a receptor has been identified in a genetic condition that leads to overgrown muscles, it has its own problems but certainly makes you stronger!
- Extremely good fast-twitch, sprinting-type muscle fibers. We have a leftover silenced gene for another muscle fiber type that we don't use with these characteristics, all you need to do is splice in the right genetic promoter!
Cadetak
QUOTE (Ghø§t @ Oct 28 2007, 03:11 PM) *
Yeah.. like people like for example, The Hulk. He has awesome powers but I don't think those could exist. We would have to experiment for soooooo long with radiation to find a gamma ray burst that wouldn't kill us. And even then.. it would be next to impossible.


Any super power that involves rapid transformation is highly improbable...werewolves, The Hulk, Giant Man, The Wasp, etc. I don't think your body could handle being a average skinny guy liek Banner one second and be an eight foot tall green beast like the Hulk the next.

Enhanced Strength, Speed, Senses, Intelligence, healing rate, etc. are all possibily because we already have those things we would just need a way to make them better. Assuming psychic powers are real finding a way to activate that in a normal human would be possible. To a certain degree.The Flash and Quicksilver's super speed is highly improbable because there is no way they could move their legs that fast without their legs like ripping off.

A lot of powers aren't even explainable using comic book science...like Mystique's shapeshifting or how Superman can fly without any apparent way to.
The_Scorpion
QUOTE (Cadetak47 @ Oct 29 2007, 04:28 AM) *
The Flash and Quicksilver's super speed is highly improbable because there is no way they could move their legs that fast without their legs like ripping off.

A lot of powers aren't even explainable using comic book science...like Mystique's shapeshifting or how Superman can fly without any apparent way to.


Quicksilver's legs don't get ripped off because his whole body is adapted to his increased leg power. His metabolism is different as well; when he uses his powers alot of energy goes to the muscles in his legs, which is why he has to eat and/or sleep alot to keep his body going. And I believe he also psionically forms some sort of force field around his body to decrease kinetic impact and (air)friction.

Mystique's powers work like this: she can psionically move her molecules to be formed in the exact same way that they are formed in another person. This causes her body to look exactly like the body of that person. She can even change some of her molecules to "create" clothing, by arranging them to fit the molecular shape of cotton for instance.
I can't explain how superman flies though, cause I don't like those comics lol.

Well, I guess my comicbook geekness can actually come in handy sometimes tongue.gif
Pierce8
Why do we keep on limiting ourselves... there are things existing that Physics cant explain so why do you link all these futureplans into Physics.... I believe all these will be possible, but I can't explain How... nothing is impossible..... nanotechnology can help some powers possible like shapeshifting...

More knowledge will come ..... with our present time its really impossible to imagine such great leap...

I found some articles about Xmen type of powers that manifested on some lucky people... one of this as I remember is a family in china which has magnetic body( dunno if this are facts)
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