Thats what my friend said, she said that scientist are trying to get bleach to kill the disease not the person.
what do you think they can do, to the bleach?
Full Version: Bleach can kill AIDS and other
any source? so i can get the tide an im alright? (does tide make bleach?)
wow that was a good link alot of good info... i also heard stomach acid kills the virus or may kill it...
QUOTE(crzyamazing @ Mar 22 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]1595198[/snapback]
Clorox may be able to kill the virus in a petri dish, but I am sure injecting some one with bleach is gonna kill them. Since HIV is a blood virus you would have to find a way for the bleach to get to every drop of blood in the persons body, and by doing this the bleach is going to hit the lungs, heart, kidneys, liver, brain, you name it. Doubt this will ever lead anywhere.
Sucks that its in the blood stream, i heard stomach acid can burn through metal, but thats a different story,
i have an image in my mind of someone injecting a needle of stomach acid into an HIV ingfected person and what would happen? i think it might burn
i have an image in my mind of someone injecting a needle of stomach acid into an HIV ingfected person and what would happen? i think it might burn
They're talking about using bleach for sterilization, to kill the virus if it's outside the body. Definetely not for a potential cure.
It's extremely easy to kill almost any virus or bacteria like that, heating it up enough would do. Once it's inside the body though, that's a completely different story.
It's extremely easy to kill almost any virus or bacteria like that, heating it up enough would do. Once it's inside the body though, that's a completely different story.
The only "cure" is prevention, I doubt they will ever find a "cure" for AIDS or HIV, at best a good vaccination.
We use bleach to clean our equipment that gets bloody; 1 part bleach to 8 parts water and letting it stand for 15 minutes and that kills everything. Of course you can't exactly put bleach inside a person to kill aids... it will kill the virus and the patient at the same time...
We use bleach to clean our equipment that gets bloody; 1 part bleach to 8 parts water and letting it stand for 15 minutes and that kills everything. Of course you can't exactly put bleach inside a person to kill aids... it will kill the virus and the patient at the same time...
Bleach works the same as hydrogenperoxide, which is a chemical hospitals use for steilisation. Its also used to clean out infections and to kill the puss. But hydrogenperoxide burns the uninfected skin and it stings for a while depending on the site of contact. No way would you want anything with the "cleaning" ability of these chemicals in your body!
That reminds me, I heard once that the HIV virus was heat sensitive, and there were theories of heating blood just to the point that the virus would die, but the blood would remain unharmed, then cooling it and pumping it back into the body. This would be a treatment, as the virus would be in tissues not flushed by the blood stream. I think it was pretty wonky, but it was interesting to learn how fragile the virus is when outside the human body.
My girlfriend can be a right bleach sometimes.. I don't know if she can kill aids though..
QUOTE(eqgumby @ Mar 23 2007, 11:28 AM) [snapback]1596533[/snapback]
That reminds me, I heard once that the HIV virus was heat sensitive, and there were theories of heating blood just to the point that the virus would die, but the blood would remain unharmed, then cooling it and pumping it back into the body. This would be a treatment, as the virus would be in tissues not flushed by the blood stream. I think it was pretty wonky, but it was interesting to learn how fragile the virus is when outside the human body.
I vaugely remember that study eggumby, but I thought that it was related to a type of lukemia. I seem to remember that the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center actually did this with a terminal cancer patient and it worked, but I can't remember any of the details other than it was tried about 20 years ago (I was going to community college at the time receiving a pharmecutical technical certificate, I think that's the only reason I remember).
There must be some reason they don't do it, or it would be a popular treatment by now, but I have no idea why it apparently hasn't been done since.
I keep seeing reports of rapists and murderers dousing their victims in bleach to kill the dna they leave behind, once again outside the body though of course.
QUOTE(eqgumby @ Mar 23 2007, 01:28 PM) [snapback]1596533[/snapback]
That reminds me, I heard once that the HIV virus was heat sensitive, and there were theories of heating blood just to the point that the virus would die, but the blood would remain unharmed, then cooling it and pumping it back into the body. This would be a treatment, as the virus would be in tissues not flushed by the blood stream. I think it was pretty wonky, but it was interesting to learn how fragile the virus is when outside the human body.
I recall that study because it came out when i was taking a course to be a HIV pre and post-test counselor. The heating of blood to 108 degrees did kill the virus, but it also caused almost 95% of the patients red blood cells to die as well.
Bleach is used for sterilizing anything exposed to hot agents (class four) such as small pox, & the ebola in labs. They literally have showers that spray bleach instead of water to decontaminate once leaving the lab....
A solution of water and chlorine bleach (such as Clorox) is typically used to decontaminate equipment and buildings exposed to biological or chemical warfare agents. The formula of water to bleach varies, according to the agent.
It is also a good water purifier. Every household should have a gallon of chlorine bleach at hand, for emergencies.
I taught wilderness survival many years ago.
Back then, the formula to purify water was 2 drops per quart of clear water, or 4 drops if the water was murky. Shake well in a canteen with a loose cap (so the spillage covers the drinking spout and purifies it as well. Allow to sit for at least 30 minutes, preferably an hour.
After this, the water is purified of biological pollutants (disease, parasites, etc.) but NOT chemical or metallurgical pollutants (oil, gasoline, lead, arsenic, mercury, etc.)
Chlorine bleach as a water purifier only works against biological pollutants.
I watched the flooding in New Orleans more than a year ago, on TV. People were snatching up water and fruit juices off the shelves. Later, others were wading in filthy, brackish water and seeking pure water.
They might have got along much better if they'd known to use chlorine bleach as a water purifier.
If it were me, thirsting for drinking water as I waded in polluted water, here's what I would have done:
Fill one 2-liter empty soda bottle with polluted water.
Keep another empty 2-liter soda bottle handy.
Add 8 to 12 drops of Clorox bleach to the bottle of polluted water.
Shake the filled bottle with the cap on. Shake well, then allow to sit quietly for an hour.
Place the full bottle on a window or counter ledge.
Sterilize a small knife blade or even a nail with bleach.
Sterilize a small area near the bottom of the bottle.
With the nail, puncture a hole in the full bottle, about 3 inches up from the bottom.
Fill the empty bottle with the water as it runs out.
Stop filling when the water in the full bottle gets down to about 1/4 of a bottle.
Discard the remaining 1/4 of water.
Shake the recently filled bottle and allow it to sit for 30 minutes. This will take care of any pathogens that may be lurking.
Why discard the bottom 1/4 of water in the first bottle? Because during floods, it is not unusual to have oil products such as diesel fuel, gasoline and oil floating on the surface. These are lighter than water and, if the water is still, will rise to the surface. Carefully puncturing the bottle, and draining off the lower portion of the water after you've let it sit, will eliminate MOST if not all of these pollutants.
Also, pollutants that are heavier than water will settle below the drain hole you punctured.
Granted, the above water may not be 100 percent absolutely pure, such as the bottled water you buy, but it will keep you and others from dehydrating. Dehydration affects judgment and physical capabilities. It can be a killer when disaster strikes. It would be better to drink water that is 98 percent pure than to not drink water at all. It will keep you going for a few days, perhaps a week, when others around you die of thirst or are hindered.
And don't think that your "processing plant" needs to be limited to 2 liter water bottles. A 5-gallon bucket with a spigot epoxied a few inches above the bottom would be a good system. For five gallons, use 80 drops of bleach, or about a teaspoon. A little more if you wish. Don't overdo the bleach; it can damage organs in high concentrations.
Clorox bleach. It can be a lifesaver in moderation. Keep some handy. And if you have to bug out because the Barbarians or mother nature are at the gates, don't forget to bring it along!
It is also a good water purifier. Every household should have a gallon of chlorine bleach at hand, for emergencies.
I taught wilderness survival many years ago.
Back then, the formula to purify water was 2 drops per quart of clear water, or 4 drops if the water was murky. Shake well in a canteen with a loose cap (so the spillage covers the drinking spout and purifies it as well. Allow to sit for at least 30 minutes, preferably an hour.
After this, the water is purified of biological pollutants (disease, parasites, etc.) but NOT chemical or metallurgical pollutants (oil, gasoline, lead, arsenic, mercury, etc.)
Chlorine bleach as a water purifier only works against biological pollutants.
I watched the flooding in New Orleans more than a year ago, on TV. People were snatching up water and fruit juices off the shelves. Later, others were wading in filthy, brackish water and seeking pure water.
They might have got along much better if they'd known to use chlorine bleach as a water purifier.
If it were me, thirsting for drinking water as I waded in polluted water, here's what I would have done:
Fill one 2-liter empty soda bottle with polluted water.
Keep another empty 2-liter soda bottle handy.
Add 8 to 12 drops of Clorox bleach to the bottle of polluted water.
Shake the filled bottle with the cap on. Shake well, then allow to sit quietly for an hour.
Place the full bottle on a window or counter ledge.
Sterilize a small knife blade or even a nail with bleach.
Sterilize a small area near the bottom of the bottle.
With the nail, puncture a hole in the full bottle, about 3 inches up from the bottom.
Fill the empty bottle with the water as it runs out.
Stop filling when the water in the full bottle gets down to about 1/4 of a bottle.
Discard the remaining 1/4 of water.
Shake the recently filled bottle and allow it to sit for 30 minutes. This will take care of any pathogens that may be lurking.
Why discard the bottom 1/4 of water in the first bottle? Because during floods, it is not unusual to have oil products such as diesel fuel, gasoline and oil floating on the surface. These are lighter than water and, if the water is still, will rise to the surface. Carefully puncturing the bottle, and draining off the lower portion of the water after you've let it sit, will eliminate MOST if not all of these pollutants.
Also, pollutants that are heavier than water will settle below the drain hole you punctured.
Granted, the above water may not be 100 percent absolutely pure, such as the bottled water you buy, but it will keep you and others from dehydrating. Dehydration affects judgment and physical capabilities. It can be a killer when disaster strikes. It would be better to drink water that is 98 percent pure than to not drink water at all. It will keep you going for a few days, perhaps a week, when others around you die of thirst or are hindered.
And don't think that your "processing plant" needs to be limited to 2 liter water bottles. A 5-gallon bucket with a spigot epoxied a few inches above the bottom would be a good system. For five gallons, use 80 drops of bleach, or about a teaspoon. A little more if you wish. Don't overdo the bleach; it can damage organs in high concentrations.
Clorox bleach. It can be a lifesaver in moderation. Keep some handy. And if you have to bug out because the Barbarians or mother nature are at the gates, don't forget to bring it along!
Yup bleach will kill HIV and just about anything living. HIV is pretty easy to kill outside of the body even without something extreme like bleach. It will die when exposed to the open air for even a short length of time. It is a bloodborne pathogen and has trouble living outside the host. Lucky for us it is not airborne, or you could catch it like a common cold. Hopefully it never mutates into that type of strain, but given that it is a retro virus and mutates rapidly, you never know.
What is in the bleach that exactly kills bacteria? im wondering if someone can tone down the strength of it so it wouldnt kill the patient, or they can remove some of the ingredients.
QUOTE(crzyamazing @ Mar 24 2007, 02:07 PM) [snapback]1597882[/snapback]
What is in the bleach that exactly kills bacteria? im wondering if someone can tone down the strength of it so it wouldnt kill the patient, or they can remove some of the ingredients.
Bleach is an oxidizing agent. Unfortunately what kills the bacteria is also what harms us, so it's not possible to just remove the harmful ingredients to be left with a cure.
QUOTE(crzyamazing @ Mar 24 2007, 03:07 PM) [snapback]1597882[/snapback]
What is in the bleach that exactly kills bacteria? im wondering if someone can tone down the strength of it so it wouldnt kill the patient, or they can remove some of the ingredients.
If I recall correctly most types of bleach only have one active ingredient, like sodium hypochlorite or hydrogen peroxide. That is diluted with water to make bleach.
QUOTE(the_scorpion @ Mar 24 2007, 08:40 AM) [snapback]1597920[/snapback]
If I recall correctly most types of bleach only have one active ingredient, like sodium hypochlorite or hydrogen peroxide. That is diluted with water to make bleach.
Yeah, the most comonly used bleaches are made up ofsodium hypochlorite. Wikipedia
Is it true that over a period of time if a bottle of bleach sits long enough that it will turn to water?
QUOTE(ASOP @ Mar 28 2007, 07:46 PM) [snapback]1603740[/snapback]
Is it true that over a period of time if a bottle of bleach sits long enough that it will turn to water?
Hydrogen peroxide (H202) is able to, under certain conditions. Not sure if would happen if it was just left in a cupboard though.
Thanks Raptor x7
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ Mar 28 2007, 02:06 PM) [snapback]1603763[/snapback]
Hydrogen peroxide (H202) is able to, under certain conditions. Not sure if would happen if it was just left in a cupboard though.
hydrogen peroxide (H202) is light sensitive, and when exposed, breaks back down into hydrogen gas and water. this is why it is always sold in a brown opaque bottle as opposed to a clear one, such as rubbing alcohol.
concerning hiv -
Babies as young as only a few months old are being raped almost daily. Many black South African men infected with AIDS erroneously believe that by having sex with a virgin -- even a baby -- they will be cured of AIDS or their HIV infection. ....
.....Durban resident Marilyn Kemp described baby rape as a horrible problem that South Africans must begin to address. "Though people feel strongly about it nothing still is being done to deter these men -- their sentences are light," she said. "I feel that only international publicity and fervent prayer will bring some results."
The incidents of baby rape in South Africa are truly horrifying. Reports by the South African Press Association contain items such as these:
On Nov. 11, a nine-month-old baby girl from Kimberley in the Northern Cape who survived a gang rape underwent a full hysterectomy and will require further surgery to repair intestinal damage, a hospital spokesperson said. The baby from Louisville was left unattended by her 16-year-old mother when six Upington men allegedly raped her. The baby had undergone a full hysterectomy and she suffered extensive damage to her colon and anus as well The six men, aged between 22 and 66, appeared in the Kimberley Magistrates Court on charges of rape and indecent assault on Monday.
This past Halloween, on October 31, a month-old baby girl was raped, allegedly by her uncles, in Tweeling in the Eastern Free State Police spokesperson Loraine Kalp said the mother of the child had left the baby in the care of the men when she went to visit her mother-in-law. Upon her return last night, she found the baby crying and as she lifted her, she saw blood on her bottom. She then took the baby to a clinic where she was told the girl had been raped and sustained vaginal damage. In other reported cases, rapists have gone beyond penile penetration, using objects including broken bottle tops, sticks or harmful liquids that are pushed or inserted into the victim's vagina. But police now say these brutal criminals are sure to be arrested and positively linked to their crimes.
AIDS babies in garbage dump
Equally shocking is the growing phenomenon of black babies with AIDS being thrown away in dumps around the nation, say South Africa police intelligence officials.
South African social worker Fiona Brophy says she has had enough, and that she plans to spend five days living inside a black plastic garbage bag atop the rotting rubbish dump at the Athlone refuse transfer station to draw international attention to the terrifying and growing problem. Brophy will live inside a black plastic bag day and night without even basic amenities, say reports in the South African media.
Brophy wants to create awareness of the huge number of newborn babies dumped in rubbish bins or abandoned in desolate spots, and to help raise funds for a community-based home for AIDS orphans.
"I want to express solidarity with all those tiny children who never had a chance to live in this world, and to make all those desperate mothers aware that there are alternatives to dumping babies," she told SAPA, the South African Press Association.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=25806
very sad.
Babies as young as only a few months old are being raped almost daily. Many black South African men infected with AIDS erroneously believe that by having sex with a virgin -- even a baby -- they will be cured of AIDS or their HIV infection. ....
.....Durban resident Marilyn Kemp described baby rape as a horrible problem that South Africans must begin to address. "Though people feel strongly about it nothing still is being done to deter these men -- their sentences are light," she said. "I feel that only international publicity and fervent prayer will bring some results."
The incidents of baby rape in South Africa are truly horrifying. Reports by the South African Press Association contain items such as these:
On Nov. 11, a nine-month-old baby girl from Kimberley in the Northern Cape who survived a gang rape underwent a full hysterectomy and will require further surgery to repair intestinal damage, a hospital spokesperson said. The baby from Louisville was left unattended by her 16-year-old mother when six Upington men allegedly raped her. The baby had undergone a full hysterectomy and she suffered extensive damage to her colon and anus as well The six men, aged between 22 and 66, appeared in the Kimberley Magistrates Court on charges of rape and indecent assault on Monday.
This past Halloween, on October 31, a month-old baby girl was raped, allegedly by her uncles, in Tweeling in the Eastern Free State Police spokesperson Loraine Kalp said the mother of the child had left the baby in the care of the men when she went to visit her mother-in-law. Upon her return last night, she found the baby crying and as she lifted her, she saw blood on her bottom. She then took the baby to a clinic where she was told the girl had been raped and sustained vaginal damage. In other reported cases, rapists have gone beyond penile penetration, using objects including broken bottle tops, sticks or harmful liquids that are pushed or inserted into the victim's vagina. But police now say these brutal criminals are sure to be arrested and positively linked to their crimes.
AIDS babies in garbage dump
Equally shocking is the growing phenomenon of black babies with AIDS being thrown away in dumps around the nation, say South Africa police intelligence officials.
South African social worker Fiona Brophy says she has had enough, and that she plans to spend five days living inside a black plastic garbage bag atop the rotting rubbish dump at the Athlone refuse transfer station to draw international attention to the terrifying and growing problem. Brophy will live inside a black plastic bag day and night without even basic amenities, say reports in the South African media.
Brophy wants to create awareness of the huge number of newborn babies dumped in rubbish bins or abandoned in desolate spots, and to help raise funds for a community-based home for AIDS orphans.
"I want to express solidarity with all those tiny children who never had a chance to live in this world, and to make all those desperate mothers aware that there are alternatives to dumping babies," she told SAPA, the South African Press Association.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=25806
very sad.
Sodium Hypochlorite is the active ingredient in bleach. I work in a hospital and Sodium hypochlorite tablets,also known as Milton tablets(used to be used to sterilise baby bottles) are mixed with warm water to wash down surfaces and walls and equipment in a room that has had patients with all the major superbugs.
I think its about 6 tablets to a 9 litre bucket.
I think its about 6 tablets to a 9 litre bucket.
QUOTE(mconroy7000 @ Apr 13 2007, 01:26 AM) [snapback]1626094[/snapback]
hydrogen peroxide (H202) is light sensitive, and when exposed, breaks back down into hydrogen gas and water. this is why it is always sold in a brown opaque bottle as opposed to a clear one, such as rubbing alcohol.
That explains it, cheers.
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