What would define as todays Gothical culture all over the wide world its diapperaring in certain places do you think let me know


Regards Astaroth

First, I think you might be in the wrong section, alternative history and ancient mysteries? not sure if this quite qualifies,

Anyways, I've never really understood gothic culture. I mean, the Goths were great warriors. They contributed to the downfall of Rome. Now the idea of a modern day Goth picking up a gun is a laugh. The only thing a goth could or would shoot is himself. Stupid b*t*h*s! Goths are pissants that are too weak to deal with negative emotions, or just want to adopt the culture because they want to be different, accepted, or rebel against their parents. There are lots of possible reasons. If the Goth culture really is dissapearing, I say good riddens. Maybe natural selection if finally doing what its supposed to do.

I heard they've been replaced by Emos.

Not sure if there's any link to ancient german-type tribes.
Goth is a just group like 'rocker', 'raver', 'mod' or whatever, defined by taste in music, fashion and general interests.
They're much maligned and easily stereotyped, but generally more pleasant, intelligent and useful to society than certain other groups.

And I'm not a goth incidentally.

Modern Gothics can be loosely defined as a group with similar tastes in fashion and/or philosophy. The fashion hearkens back to the late 18th century with an emphasis on black and less so, red. The philosophy would be anarchist with a heavy dose of "the world is against me". I would say it started with the "power ballad" bands such as Meatloaf and Pat Benatar and reached its peak with the popularization of the works of Ann Rice. "Gothic" in this sense, movies would be The Rocky Horror Picture Show, (sort of pre-goth), Interview with the Vampire and Blade, (sort of post-goth). Vampirism seems to be a common attractor of many modern Goths. The movement seems to be waning.

Someone who likes wearing black clothes with maybe purple or red.

Yup. Goth's grew up. As did their hippy parents.

Unfortunately though, some still cling to their dead culture...

I love how people used to say "there's nothing more tragic than an aging hippy"...but believe me, seeing a man in his early 30's, balding, has a 9 to 5 job but still goes out on weekends dressed as a vampire is much more pathetic.

Let's get some goths defending the goth corner here.
I have a friend, who is (well, was) very goth, who swears that the vampirism thing is more of a splintering away from 'proper' goth.
Definitions are always going to be a little vague though, as I don't think there's a single goth manifesto.
I like the almost david attenborourgh study of this elusive creature known as the goth going on here.
Can we do it with Chavs next?

what i don't understand(please enlighten me) is how they got their name from the ancient goths, as someone mentioned before, what is the link?

Yes, I would like to know that too.


I don't know... yeah, maybe it's a bit pathetic... but I don't like thinking like this. Man wants to be a vampire - so what, who cares? Why can't we let him be. Who decides, which culture is dead? Maybe it's even worse, when you cling to the most recent and popular culture... Besides, having 9 to 5 job, balding, a tie, all those things... isn't it pathetic itself, well, in some ways...

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The picture that first pops into my mind is dinosaurs. And that would be a part of the Gothic culture, in fact, that would be the Gothic culture. As far as Dragons and what used to be the keepers of the dragons, for sure. The things that are in the imagery and memory of mankind that comes out of stories must have been in existence at one time. It takes awhile for the images to disappear and the mental imprints from the images takes awhile longer. Existence went through a period where those things may have existed and in my mind they did exist. Are werewolves Gothic? What about bats that like to 'suck your blood?' That is a little hard for me to believe! Dracula is too. Where would something like that come from?
'Starving Mishmaninites ravaging the villages of Blitvanonioa went to sucking the blood from their victims,' says reporter Grenitzo Klipsovan.

Gothic chicks are hawt........

>_> ill just sit back down now

The historical "Goths" were a Germanic tribe, aka as Vandals. They laid waste to much of the Roman Empire during its decline. They have nothing to do with the historic "Gothic" period of architecture which began during the late medevil period. The Gothic Revival architectural period started in France during the late 1700's and is the period that current "Goths" are identifying with. They are using the fashion styles popular during this period of architectural popularity as a jumping off point for their fashions and lifestyles.

I'm not sure this is the right place for this..But sense you asked i think they are the same now as they use to be only they like to be called Emo now..Its a culture based on Music......

actually i don't think the goth culture is based on music at all, i think music is just a small part of it. i did a little research and i think the goth movement may be inspired by the baroque period, the one after the renaissance. the baroque was all about expressing feelings and being sad all the time, because even if your life was good, you will die some day. it didn't look for perfection, it wanted to appeal the senses instead of searching for logic or reason like the renaissance. i think that this movement of sadness and expression may have influenced the gothic movement, that's just my opinion

Yeah, Astaroth sounds like a Gothic name. Is Astaroth a Gothic chick? Or maybe Asteroth likes music? Isis said:

they like to be called Emo now..Its a culture based on Music......

Yeah, it's Astaremo! Sounds like Alter ego.

i will add to this goths are not emo or satanist you should all now that

I'm pretty sure the goths spawned the emos. Thats how I noticed it where I live.

I just think its great that where I live its cooler to be a geek then an emo.

I just love how people feel the need to stereotype themselves.

Goth is a metalhead wannabe with no musical talent............ cept Type O Negative

The statement I made about the REAL goths, was under the assumption that since they have the same name, the depressed people must have stolen their name. I am glad that now the people who wear black, prefer emo, though, I'm not sure why of all things, they chose emo, what does that mean for God's sake?

how do you know this? I was under the same impression. Goth=Emo but Gothnot=satanist and Emonot=satanist.

Do a little research before barking stupid nonsense!
Astaroth : Strong Duke over 40 legions and the treasurer of hell.

Emo's are not goths. Goths is a group with a diffrent music taste and fashion style. They're useually more talented, artistic and intelligent people than others. I like this style of music than other because it HAS more talent.

Hm. For the most part, everything said so far is true, but don't be hating on the Emos & Goths.

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i am a goth,, i have been for years,, probably one of the originals,,, i did swing into emo,, untill i realised i was probably a bit to old to slice my arms and cry over gerard way.. ( although i must admit i do like him a lot lol )
but i am not stereotypical,, i dont pray to satan,, im not all dark and doom and gloom,, meh i dunno,, i think there is no such thing as a label,, more just individualism.
like i say on my profile,, i get the piercings,, the tats,, listen to the music and dress like i do cos i like it,, not to follow a subculture

The goth subculture (note. the actual goth subculture, not the mall metal kiddies who think hot topic makes them goth) was originally based within a musical movement. The musical movement was a branch off of the punk of the time and actually originated with the realease of the song "Bela Lugosis Dead" by a band called Bauhaus.

Sadly enough the majority of people these days who refer to themselves as "goth" probably don't even know the most base history of what they claim.

Anywho, just my two cents. And, if for some reason its relevant, I'm in no way a goth

Goth is not what musical taste you like but how you feel about yourself its more of a state of mind it not how you dress yourself and its not about wrist slitting at all you may have that confused with things such as Fantasy gothism

Fantasy gothism: belives they are a type of creature which they intertwine with thier life

arise these myths of what you think and have been told and see yourself with your own eyes not the eyes of a stereotype

sames said about other subcultures
if you belive the myths you would be a fool to think that

Missy venom sees it uniquity is important like individaulity
to be the same is boring there would be no spirit in the world just plain bordem
beliefs are what people think not do skeptics think that all myths are true nearly all the time

thanks for the history lesson i no what the name means but i didint choose the name beacsue of that i chose it through quite a unique process if your intrested ask more


your eyes are open and see throught the myths for that i thank you.

sisters of mercy rock...they are an awesome band....type o negative too are great....many others too

like the music, find the 'philosophy' that people attach to it a bit straining tho....i like horror films too but dont want to dress as a vampire....
i remember asking a goth whilst out on the lash one night why she and her friends dressed so....and would have accepted many answers and left it at that.
but she said it was because she wanted to demonstrate her individualism.....so why paint her face the same, and dress the same as every other goth? what's so individualistic about that?

I think that people like to wear masks. it allows them to become other than what they are. like tribal folk dancing around a fire....
its fun, i presume... worn a few masks myself at fancy dress occasions...but to wear it so much that you identify yourself as the mask and not the person within has to be a bit psychologically dodgy.
no offence.....

Some of the gothic music is most innovative and evocative....emotion seems to play a great part in it.
all things in moderation i suppose. Happy light music is good for the soul.

I'm ranting now. Every time I see a discussion about goths I have to clear up the stereotypes.

There really is no solid way to define the gothic lifestyle. Most goths and even emos I know are actually some of the happiest and talkative people I know. I know one goth guy who's 6'6", 16 years old, openly gay, and wears 7" high platform boots and the preppy girls always keep hitting on him. I know an emo chick that sounds like she's on crack, wears preppy jackets and is probably going to be the most devoted anti-drug advocate on the face of the Earth. None of them cut and they usually even like rap. It just makes me mad to see people call them suicidal and hateful of preppy people, because there isn't the typical rift between these two groups of kids in my town. Where I live, preps are the kids that appear to be suicidal. Strange, huh?

I blame Hollywood. The Goth culture as we know today seem to have exploded publicly when Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, etc. became popular in the mid-90's. It's nothing more than an image people feels they need to copy for whatever reason.

I find you’re lack of respect for people’s cultures disgusting you’re close mined and you’re words are meaningless. Search you’re own soul and you’re own people and find you’re ways as disgusting. Goths are people who wish to move away from what we call normal are cookie cutter ways I have to say is disturbing at times. Even now there are different groups that call them self’s the norm but are really as odd as Goths.

One thing that joins you all together is you’re lack of acceptance and you’re inability to make you’re own dissections. Goths have a tendency to be more intelligent because there mined is so open. There ability to see things in many forms compound them in to a group less like any other culture that has lived on this earth.

I fully respect the Goth culture as I would respect any other culture. They are my favorite in all I am not Goth but I am a fan I however don’t like to clump my self in to any group so my own style is my own. There origins are not 100% clear to me It doesn’t seem correct for it to do any thing with the Visigoths that took down Rome so many years ago I see no real correlation.

[color="#FF00FF"][/color] yes very true,,, i hate following the sheep,, looking all blonde, blue and trendy,, all looking the same, high street brands.
i dress how i wanna dress, inmfact i enjoy the attention, and if people talk about me well then i think, i affected there lives, they didnt affect mine.

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well said !!!

Never having been 'goth' myself , here's what makes me laugh.

Donald Trumps hair.

old men in sports wear. you know - +30 and out of shape wearing an LA Lakers tank with man breasts. eeewww and please leave your shirt on.

or the anal retentive golf preppy look. or the baggy jeans/shorts and underwear showing look ( with is outright laughable) - don't forget MULLETS!!!!! yikes.

old rockers - like Eddie Van Halen , ect.... there aren't many that still look good - even Mick is pushing the enveloupe.

the worst has to be mid life men in sports cars. very sad.

women over 40 that dye thier big hair bleach blond ( and it's too long) and wear stretchy pants

the all time winner ---- spandex. lol

this takes the cake

"I like this style of music more than others because it HAS more talent than American Idol"......if this completes your statement...fair enuff....I retract my earlier post.....B

i listen to music,,,,,, when i say music i mean real music,, were they play there own instruments,, write there own music,, and are so talented it makes u wanna cry.
how can u define standing on stage and rapping ( or talking fast ).. as music,, or playing to a backing track to a song thats been reproduced more times then a 50 year old paper mache toilet roll.

beggars belief

Hey, I like unnormal. I don't mind people who want to be different, or people who want to have an identity. But Goth people can't deal with their emotions, its pathetic.

INcorrect, Goths tend to be clouded by both their inability to deal with emotions, and their drug addictions.

That is most likely, at first I assumed that they must have stolen the name, but maybe it comes from somthing else, because they don't even represent Gothic beliefs, granted, as I understand it, they changed a bit. If I'm not mistaken, it was a Gothic King, who ended up converting to christianity when a prayer of desperation, turned the tide of battle in his eyes.

What is going on here? I was told this was a website for the intellectual and scientific pursuit of enigmatic mysteries. I’m reading these quotes and it sounds to me like a bunch of individuals using this website as a sounding-board for their hostility. On the point you have been arguing, please stop confusing “life-styles,” & “Fads,” with culture. “Goth,” “New-Wave,” “Hippie,” Yippee,” “Preppy,” “Yuppie,” and a whole plethora of others throughout the travail of ages are not “cultures.” They are lifestyles and fads. “Culture” is a much larger and much more complex concept. Can we please keep things in the context of this website?

-moved to more appropriate forum-

listen scuttle whatever you say i dont care that much this is a website for the more sainly minded
this was a topic opened by me i asked if you dont like it tuff luck newbie!

Thank you for proving my point. The concept and context of your question is well within the context of this website and most worthy of discussion. Culture, lifestyle, fads etcetera are very much a part of the human’s ability to interpret their world and the conclusions drawn there from. The point that you have proven so eloquently is that it appears that many are not using this (and other websites) for their stated purpose. They are simply being used as sites in which someone with very low self esteem can attempt to feel superior and ergo overly inflate their ego by insulting absolute strangers with complete anonymity. Insults and innuendoes do not fall into the realm of scientific discussion. But, your attitude and response does reflect perfectly the afore mentioned hypothesis I’m using in the Sociological Research Article I have been asked to write. Thank you for your willing cooperation as a research subject. When quoted, do you prefer “astaroth?” Again, thank you for your support and assistance.

I've always assumed that the term "goth" refers to the Victorian Gothic movement. Think Dracula (published 1897) and Frankenstein (published 1831- by the wife of the poet Percy Shelley!). Think rebellion against the industrial revolution, with a focus on the weirdness of the human subconscious mind.

Goths are a rebellion against the computerization of society ( too bad geek-a-tization isn't a word). It's the not bright-eyed-bushy-tailed response to 'Computer Training Dot Com' commercials. It is no coincidence that the goth movement arose simultaneously with the yuppie movement.

Every time period has a counter-culture with the same function as the Goths. Beetnicks in the 50's, hippies in the 60's, etc., and we should be glad these folks exist. These are the people who keep us from degenerating into a society of human robots.


I have to add- I love the way they dress.

WHO THE HELL DO U THINK U ARE?????

id like to point out 3 things here you feeble minded fool
...
1) i am goth,, and neither weak nor emotional and i can deal with whatever life throws at me... infact i have probably had to deal with a lot more then most people and let me tell you something,,, i am neither on any medication nor do i have any self inflicted cuts on my body

2) i do not,, nor have i EVER taken a illegal drug,, ok yes,, maybe i tried a joint or a bowl when i was younger but not since

3) your ignorance is quite astounding,, you are generalising my culture because of a few "wannabies" youve probably met along the way , i can tell you now i am not falling into your catergorising.

how amusing,,, makes me wonder... because i like football, does that make me a hooligan to?,, or maybe because i like to be clean,, would u summarie me as an ocd sufferer.

please think carefully before you try and summarise a person all because of the way they dress,, look,, believe etc

F scenes most are poser emos.

Allow me to take care of this.......



Goth-disinterested in the average, preferring to explore the darker side of everything. constantly testing boundaries and discovering how to overcome them. Sometimes depressed but not usually with themselves, usually it is society they are so disappointed in. Appreciates things outside the norm. Mostly loners however have attracted "followers." In any case sometimes it is. These are a beauty is on the inside kind of people and are FANTASTIC conversationalists. The appreciation for the 'dark side" is off putting to some people though. Most Goth's i have met are extreemly artistic.

Emo- Whiny Goths.

Raver- really happy goth

Well what does wearing mostly black clothes, and, or Goth mean. I thought Goth meant your sad and depressed all the time? Yet my Man and I always wear black ( we also drive a Hearse) and yet we are not sad or depressed.

I don't know what makes people think Goth's are sad and depressed. I love to have fun and am usually life of the party.