I believe the future of spirituality (and politics) is in neither extreme of religion nor atheism. It's in the balance between them. There simply IS another way... a way that needs no name and must never have one. We've had more than enough organizational names that begin with upper case letters.

The key is to acknowledge the (intelligently) nonhuman presence on Earth/among humans without deifying them. It's time for the end of our being a blindly subservient, worshipping slave race. The very word God/god is purely erroneous, yet that doesn't change the reality of the unseen presence. Obviously there's nothing truly substantial (and never has there been) to show for the g word's usage given the presently (basically) most extremely hideous global situation ever; especially with the prospect of nuclear conflict looking more possible than ever. We need the ultimate lesson in self worth. All intelligent species are essentially the same; with equal rights to all knowledge. It's just that we humans have yet to actualize our potential of mind/soul that can free us from the bondage of this insane (to put it mildly) paradigm.

To those who believe "ET" and other (presently) unexplained phenomena belong in the same category of the unproven unknowable as matters religious; not so fast. The evidence is right under our noses. It's only a matter of seriously investigating and unraveling the mysteries. We need to be REALLY serious about eliminating (by exposing and neutralizing) the source of the blockage. In the United States that diabolical source is the National Security state. Worldwide it's the monolithic rule by secrecy in general.

"What we need is not the will to believe; but the will to find out." That's probably my favorite quote of all time (by Bertrand Russell). It's all about obtaining every fact, energy, methodology and/or technology that will improve the human and ecological conditions. No one has the right to bestow an overpopulated, overindustrialized Hell upon our progeny. Why not fix things in the most benign, intelligent way possible? Why not let cooler heads and love/forgiveness prevail by just solving the problems without any (psychopathic, mainly religion-based) punishments? Face it, the current system (at least effectively) doesn't have a moral or logical leg to stand on.

Whenever applicable, truth is never responsible for its useless reactions.

The problem isn't the government. It's the throngs of the insufficiently-enlightened who keep electing/supporting (enabling) them. So, unless one is serious about ending rule by secrecy (the root of the problems), all the complaining and breast-beating about how bad things are is meaningless. With enough effort, real change can happen. We can throw the pathocratic wretches out if we choose. Begin talking and organizing. Have demonstrations, send mail/e-mail to government and media representatives. Start with your friends and relatives, and tell them to spread the word.

Intersting post and welcome to the forums. If you had to summarize your point in one sentence what would it be?

What are you on about here no matter how hard I try to read what you're righting I just get lost.

Are you speaking out against relgion?

If thats the case I ask you to compare a deeply religous society with the present day one. See the difference?

Little crime, little anti-social behaviour, citizens who are mentally well balanced not vile, negative, mentally ill, perverse citizens.
Mmmm let me see I think a religous society would be good.

No worries here. I didn't expect an easy ride... Freedom need not be connected to such monoliths as theocracies. Religions - particularly the 3 Abrahamic ones - are the root of the problems. The National Security state is simply the latest incarnation of ancient secrecy (of which there's nothing sufficiently substantial for which to show).

Two things.

1. Lots of people are not what you would call morally perfect and as such freedom is a mistake.
2. Some people are morally perfect (not many but some) and as such they should have freedom so taking it away from everybody is also a mistake.

So a free society and a surpressed society are both flawed in some way.
The most correct one would be the surpressed society because people may be restricted in what they can do but they dont have to suffer from being victims of immoralities such as crime.

A Christian Theocracy in my opinion is better than Democracy.

Ya-heesh!! At least you're honest. Are you an American? Obviously there's no arguing with the UTTERLY brainwashed. Any ratonal commentary out there?

English.

And I would discribe myself as being on the right side of things not the left.

There is another solution.

A state where freedom is tailored to the individual. People wouldnt like how you would decide though because you'd probably need psychological profiling, genetic profiling and ID cards which would have them shouting the N word at you.

I define freedom as the end of all (de facto and actual) slavery, and I'm convinced history will verify that. Time is on the side of the (truly) righteous (not to be confused with the self-righteous). Evolution of consciousness is unstoppable... I'm not so insecure as to have to argue with someone of the totalitarian persuasion. Down with (all forms of) Big Brother!!

Freedom in itself is not an evil and should be the end goal for the human race.

But it is an end goal to be worked towards not given because people are not morally perfect and until such time that they are letting them do whatever they want will only result in immorality.

Social anarchy or extreme Liberalism or whatever it is you're trying to propose with result with our societies having even worse crime and anti-social behaviour than we already do.

Control is the answer but only where control is needed.

I obviously don't agree with the Original Sin mentality and it's Calvinistic/Victorian (etc.) repression. It leads to greater evils like religious violence... And tasteful nudity isn't pornography. It's certain that if many young boys could be exposed to boobs and butts, they wouldn't be the droolingly perverted criminals in "adulthood."

Well Im trying to form a picture of how you work and why you believe I am wrong and I would like to hear in depth why you think so.

Religous Violence? Do you mean the crusades?
As for nudity I dont see how stopping people from seeing dirty pictures leads to perversion.

As audacious a gamble as it seems, I'm wagering history will verify that the George W. Bush/neocon imperialism was/is first and foremost RELIGIOUSLY-motivated. One doesn't have to go back to the Crusades. Corporate/economic hegemony and wacko fundamentalism (even if Bush is secretly a full-blown Satanist) aren't incompatible, unfortunately.

I dont think he's religously motivated although I perhaps think he looks down on Muslims and therefore can justify the war to himself in this way.

As for claiming the Iraq/Afganistan conflict to be British/American imperialism I say I think your right and good on them to.

Lets conquer Iran next and secure British/American dominance for the future before the Chinese get a chance.

Er, sorry, I can't get (Wagner's) RIDE OF THE VALKYRIES out of my head. Going about my Saturday business for awhile. Will check in later. Here's hoping for non-sociopathic response. Cheers.

I would say the basic concept of balance is key. The trick is to define it or encourage it in some way.

For example many in Power use fear to control the population for what they consider to be very good reasons. For a population to awaken they would need to control their fears and learn to recognize when they are being manipulated. This is not easy until a person learns to think for themself. Self reflection is a lost art as is being at peace with the things that frighten you. However any of us can do both if they wish to empower the self. In my view, history will eventually recognize George Bush as a principal motivator for this. He was able to mislead many by playing on their fears to the point they would believe in a fairy tail.

So once we are able to digest what has and is happening, we can thank George for motivating us to think for ourself.

Source: Wikipedia

Yet, none can explain the UFO case files in question.

Gosh darn it, the Good Old Days were always Good weren't they? Surely hideous social oppression like Puritan New England or Afghanistan under the Taliban is the best possible way to run a society!
... at least in the West, most of us have given up on out and out theocracy.



... but wait! No! Moral judgments for all!
Which version of Christianity shall we be using to ruthlessly suppress the massess in conforming with 'moral values'?

--Jaylemurph