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I personally do not believe in ghost. But as i know, spirit/soul does exist as scientist did an experiment on it many many years ago. So what do you all think?
Scientists proved that a spirit/soul exists? Please give me a link to that.
QUOTE(elan @ Mar 24 2007, 08:09 AM) [snapback]1597883[/snapback]
I personally do not believe in ghost. But as i know, spirit/soul does exist as scientist did an experiment on it many many years ago. So what do you all think?
Hey ElanIt sounds like you have answered your own question...to be honest ... imho...it seems like its is a contradiction to believe in spirituality but not spirits....SO if you DON'T believe in ghosts ....you MUST be an atheist....imho.....B
i lovve ghosts, what is this experiment you speak of?
I sure hope science can prove it 'cause otherwise a lot of us are wasting our time! 
However, the "proof" or answer may not be what you want it to be.
Are you prepared for a rational scientific non-spiritual/religious answer?
However, the "proof" or answer may not be what you want it to be.
Are you prepared for a rational scientific non-spiritual/religious answer?
Yeah link me up to that too.
I think its a reference to this, over a hundred years out of date:
Reference: http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp
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During the late 19th and first half 20th century, researchers attempted to weigh people who were known to be dying, and record their weight accurately at the time of death. As an example, Dr. Duncan MacDougall, in the early 1900s, sought to measure the weight purportedly lost by a human body when the soul departed the body upon death. MacDougall weighed dying patients in an attempt to prove that the soul was material and measurable. These experiments are widely considered to have had little if any scientific merit, and although MacDougall's results varied considerably from 21 grams, for some people this figure has become synonymous with the measure of a soul's weight. Experiments such as MacDougall's have not been repeated with current precision equipment and research tools, and snopes.com concludes of one researcher that:
"MacDougall's results were flawed because the methodology used to harvest them was suspect, the sample size far too small, and the ability to measure changes in weight imprecise. For this reason, credence should not be given to the idea his experiments proved something, let alone that they measured the weight of the soul as 21 grams. His postulations on this topic are a curiosity, but nothing more.
"MacDougall's results were flawed because the methodology used to harvest them was suspect, the sample size far too small, and the ability to measure changes in weight imprecise. For this reason, credence should not be given to the idea his experiments proved something, let alone that they measured the weight of the soul as 21 grams. His postulations on this topic are a curiosity, but nothing more.
Reference: http://www.snopes.com/religion/soulweight.asp
^ So then nothing really then?
QUOTE(MasterPo @ Mar 24 2007, 06:21 PM) [snapback]1598592[/snapback]
However, the "proof" or answer may not be what you want it to be.
hey allthat Sir, may very well be the understatement of the thread......B
I see it as impossible-- we can't prove the existence of science thru spirit, no more than we can prove the existence of spirit thru science. How do you prove something non-scientific thru science?
Hi Elan, When it comes to ghosts im still undecided. Even though once i have seen something once that i couldnt explain that totally freaked me out. Other than having a person experience, its hard to decide if ghosts exists, because 99.9% of the so called proof out there is bulldust.
When looking at it scientifically, i look at it this way. Energy cant be created or destroyed. That is fact. Energy purely changes from one form to another. But when it comes to the human body, people refuse to believe that its a POSSIBILITY. What happens to the energy in ones body when they die??? No one knows for sure, but when taking into consideration the previous fact, well, ghosts can definitely be a possibility.
As i stated earlier, energy cant be created or destroyed, it purely changes form. Remember now, that is fact. Keeping that in mind, i challenge anyone to argue the point, that the existence of ghosts cant be a POSSIBILITY
What are your thoughts????
When looking at it scientifically, i look at it this way. Energy cant be created or destroyed. That is fact. Energy purely changes from one form to another. But when it comes to the human body, people refuse to believe that its a POSSIBILITY. What happens to the energy in ones body when they die??? No one knows for sure, but when taking into consideration the previous fact, well, ghosts can definitely be a possibility.
As i stated earlier, energy cant be created or destroyed, it purely changes form. Remember now, that is fact. Keeping that in mind, i challenge anyone to argue the point, that the existence of ghosts cant be a POSSIBILITY
What are your thoughts????
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Mar 26 2007, 03:04 PM) [snapback]1600731[/snapback]
I see it as impossible-- we can't prove the existence of science thru spirit, no more than we can prove the existence of spirit thru science. How do you prove something non-scientific thru science?
Maybe not "proof" but better categorization.
Once illness was thought to be caused by evil spirits. Now we well accept it's caused by germs. Perhaps through science what we today call a soul or spirit can be better quantified as something more tangible.
That's part of what I meant by the answer may not be what you (not you personally, the generic 'you') want it to be.
MasterPo...Good reasoning buddy. I agree with what your saying
The only way you're going to get "proof" that ghosts exist, is when you experience one yourself, or have many trusted family members who have. For those who don't believe: I don't blame you, unless you had an experience with a ghost and still deny it. If that's the case, you should be slapped.
And why has science never proven ghosts exist? Hell, I always wonder that mysefl! But I never wonder if it's "because they don't exist". I know whether they do or don't, but I'd rather not argue as it's more of personal proof than anything, and that means nothing to science, but everything to me(Obviously).
And why has science never proven ghosts exist? Hell, I always wonder that mysefl! But I never wonder if it's "because they don't exist". I know whether they do or don't, but I'd rather not argue as it's more of personal proof than anything, and that means nothing to science, but everything to me(Obviously).
IMHO...many of you experience the paranormal and never identify it as such or deny having it for understandable reasons...I am making some progress though, as least as far as obtaining a definative answer for myself (don't really feel as though I NEED to prove anything) but some of these answers may be the (HUGE and very much alive) spiritualist movement that occured around the turn of the century(light trance mediumship being one of extreme interest)....I more than likely will share this research with the forum, as I feel that many of you members on the "skeptical" side of the fence are here to honesly and constructively discuss these matters....its a good thing to have balance............ghosts and spirits are not the same btw a recent thread has brought this to my attention....B
I don't believe in ghosts but I do believe in spirits. The one's that parade around as ghosts is to trick you into believing in spiritualism. It is directed by the devil, it is evil spirits, basically having fun at your expense. Or as some have tried to explain, a ghost is like an image imbeded by traumatic events that happened in a certain location. Could explain the story I read recently where a young lady learned that her spirit was "haunting" her old house that she lived in when her husband died. I believe that once you die, you sleep until Jesus, comes, both the "good and the "bad". So no ghost.
Science hasn't got there yet. It takes time.
Just because a ghost hasn't been sighted, doesn't indicate that it doesn't exist.
Here are links to a show in two parts, where scientists gives their explenation on ghosts.
Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZKd5wqMIn0
Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6yVrYpQdQ
Personally i beleive that the theorys from the sceientists in the show, can explain some cases (proably manny) of ghostsighitings, but i have no doubt, that ghosts is a reality.
Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZKd5wqMIn0
Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6yVrYpQdQ
Personally i beleive that the theorys from the sceientists in the show, can explain some cases (proably manny) of ghostsighitings, but i have no doubt, that ghosts is a reality.
QUOTE(Kroll1 @ Mar 31 2007, 10:24 AM) [snapback]1607524[/snapback]
Here are links to a show in two parts, where scientists gives their explenation on ghosts.
Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZKd5wqMIn0
Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6yVrYpQdQ
Personally i beleive that the theorys from the sceientists in the show, can explain some cases (proably manny) of ghostsighitings, but i have no doubt, that ghosts is a reality.
Part One: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZKd5wqMIn0
Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6yVrYpQdQ
Personally i beleive that the theorys from the sceientists in the show, can explain some cases (proably manny) of ghostsighitings, but i have no doubt, that ghosts is a reality.
at about 12:44 is is pretty funny ghost (think first vid).....B
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i1c0ZymyLw...ted&search=
QUOTE(Barek Halfhand @ Mar 31 2007, 08:42 PM) [snapback]1607788[/snapback]
at about 12:44 is is pretty funny ghost (think first vid).....B
halfhandshuffle:les claypool-ballad of Bhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i1c0ZymyLw...ted&search=
halfhandshuffle:les claypool-ballad of Bhead
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i1c0ZymyLw...ted&search=
If there ever was a candidate for "worst B-film award" it have to be this one
Ghosts exist on another dimension. Science has it all wrong. There is no time, it is just a neccessary illusion. Ghosts, aliens, demons, etc. time travel. We have to let go of our current belief in the reality of science & physics & open our minds to the reality which is beyond our imagination.
QUOTE(elan @ Mar 24 2007, 06:09 AM) [snapback]1597883[/snapback]
I personally do not believe in ghost. But as i know, spirit/soul does exist as scientist did an experiment on it many many years ago. So what do you all think?
QUOTE(googiboo @ Mar 26 2007, 08:34 PM) [snapback]1601342[/snapback]
As i stated earlier, energy cant be created or destroyed, it purely changes form. Remember now, that is fact. Keeping that in mind, i challenge anyone to argue the point, that the existence of ghosts cant be a POSSIBILITY
What are your thoughts????
What are your thoughts????
That is a very interesting theory. I am also a skeptic, I'm not religious and don't beleieve in souls. But I do think there are things out there that science hasn't explained yet. In this theory, it would suggest that ghosts are not aware of themselves - just presentations of energy. I wonder then why so many hauntings happen only around certain people, especially children. What about them attracts this energy.
Also, if this were true, why aren't there ghosts everywhere? Or are they everywhere, all the time and we can only see or sense the strongest presences? What about EVP's? How could those be explained?
Sorry for all the questions, but this is what I have rolling around my head. I guess I am looking for a scientific answer.
QUOTE(spiridion @ Apr 7 2007, 05:54 PM) [snapback]1617914[/snapback]
Also, if this were true, why aren't there ghosts everywhere? Or are they everywhere, all the time and we can only see or sense the strongest presences? What about EVP's? How could those be explained?
Each one is an answer by iteself. Briefly:
There may be ghosts all around us all the time but for some reason, perhaps a barrier between our world and their's, we can't see/experience them unless conditions are just right. Or maybe it takes a whole lot of their energy to come through to our world and only some ghosts can muster that amount of energy for brief periods.
EVPs - well, take your pick: Some believe they are the voices of ghosts/spirits. Others sayd it's voices of demonds trying to trick us. Some think it's really the projection of our own subconcious mind (a form of non-concious telepathy). Some even go so far as to as to say aliens or life forms from another dimension. And total skeptics say it's just stray radio signals. That one I doubt since soooo many EVPs are in direct response to specific questions, the probablility of capturing a stray/random radio signal that answers a specific question at a specific moment of time is astronomical.
And that's why we research and study this. One day someone will find the "Holy Grail" answer to all this.
QUOTE(Sharilyn @ Apr 6 2007, 03:00 AM) [snapback]1615629[/snapback]
Ghosts exist on another dimension. Science has it all wrong. There is no time, it is just a neccessary illusion. Ghosts, aliens, demons, etc. time travel. We have to let go of our current belief in the reality of science & physics & open our minds to the reality which is beyond our imagination.
Perhaps. But imagination isn't quantifiable. If something can't be quantified, specified in detail, and most of all replicated anywhere then it isn't science. Not at least how we accept science today. Faith, belief, accpetance, "feelings" are too subjective to be the basis for proof. Difficult enough that much of what is accepted science is under constant review and revision attempts (which is a good thing). But without concrete documentation and on-demand repeatability then whatever 'proof' you offer up won't be accepted.
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