Well a lot of you know that i have had some spooky encounters for the past 7 years or so now (topic, my encounters with spirits..).. Well last night i asked myself "why do you drink almost every night..?" yeh it's not serious drinking but i realise i started it when the things i saw became more frequent and more real.. It's to make sure i sleep all night and don't see these things any more..

If i don't then i see them and they're also starting to invade my dreams as well.. The black thing i talked about has started invading my dreams.. But in my dreams i can see it's face.. Its whole body is black like a robe with a hood but the face i see.. Oh my god it would make you insane.. It's a face of such sinisterism.. Such an evil grin, so very evil and it's always in my flat with me or back at home but mainly in the flat.. It scares the hell out of me so much that i have to FORCE myself to wake again and i mean really force.. And then when i wake it's sometimes still there but in a different form with no face this time.. If i try to make myself go to sleep to have a more pleasant dream it doesn't work i'm back in the dark flat, with it.. Some times it takes on the shape of myself but with the same horrific grin, well it's only taken on my shape once.. I'm always trying to fight it with fear but it comes back no matter what i do.

I believe i started drinking to eradicate these visions and dreams of spirits, although the spirits i see aren't as so damn scary and evil as this one.. When i drink i know i'll sleep and not wake until morning and this thing doesn't appear in my dreams.. What is this thing and why has it followed me for the past 7 years and only taking on a face now, in my dreams? Why is it when i don't drink i get bombarded with this crap, seeing ghosts and other scary apparitions.. This black thing appeared the least out of the visions but over the years it's been more frequent and as soon as i came to this flat a year ago it's gotten a lot stronger.. No point trying to talk to it because it just has such and evil look on it's face.. U know the sort of look where they're kinda looking down but up at you through their eyes.. I can't describe how sinister this face is.. If you saw it you'd be terrified beyond beliefe.

I have never been able to go back into a dream but this thing just seems to make me go back there with it in my living room standing by the window, always the window and i just can't fight it because it comes back no matter what i do..

At least the other spirits i see are not scary they just look like normal humans and they don't fear me much but this one makes me fight to shut the damn dream down and when i do manage to shut it down i'm too terrified to go back because i know it'll be there waiting for me and like i said sometimes it's there in the flat with me in my room but just a deep black shadow.. It only takes on the form of other things such as animals when i've not seen it in a dream prior to that..

What the hell is going on and what is this thing? It cannot be reasoned with it's too evil it has nothing on its mind but pure evil and an intent to harm me on its face.. How is it pulling me back into the dream with it??


THAT is why i drink to stop myself seeing this crap but that thing in particular.. And no the drinking isn't causing me to see this stuff as i lived in 2 hostels for 3 years and we weren't allowed to drink in them so i never did drink and i started seeing the spirits, more so in the second hostel and the second hostel is where this thing started showing itself..

For some reason i know when i'm going to have a visit from it or a spirit because i get this tickle in the back of my throat that's not a cough and can't be coughed away..

This may sound stupid but i think it may be in my pet hamsters dreams as well because he's often sleeping and he'll start squeeling in fear and it's so bad i can't even wake him he's screaming so terrified but like i said it's probably not the same thing.. But ghosts can effect animals too can't they?

Again thanks for your help i just don't know what to do why are these things plaguing me and especialy that?

What if it's just a dream?

Well yes i have thought about that but i've seen it in reality too but just without the face..

Anyhoo i'm just gonna stop avoiding it and stop drinking and "confront" these things so to say. If i do have a gift i'm waisting them by using alcohol to supress them.

Wow mate that sounds awful.

If you have to force yourself to wake up then I presume you are lucid enough to know you are dreaming?
Perhaps use that to your advantage. Create something in the dream to fight back - I don't know cage it or shine a bright light on it perhaps?
The only other advice I would suggest is ask for an angel to be by your side - call forth Michael as he will protect.

I can't, thankfully see things like that but sometimes I sense things and a psychic friend of mine said I had a negative energy attached to me for awhile. I worked with my angels and used meditation to push it away and it seems to have worked I don't sense it now. This ones certainly attached to you if its been tormenting you for 7 years. The way I understand it, they feed on your fear, so the only way to fight it is to face it.

I wish you luck.

light and love Deb x

Yes in them dreams they're always lucid and i do actually fight it, the first time i faught it i some how had the strength to throw it for what seemed like miles, but whenever i threw it; it was as light as cloth but it still came back never the less.

Drinking will most than likely cause more problems than solve your current ones. If I was in your place, I would do a little research. If these happenings are specific to where you live, try finding out the history of the house/appartment. It might hold clues to what is occuring.

They've happened in other places where i've lived even before i started drinking they happened for like 2 years where i was living in a hostel and you couldn't bring alcohol in and it was too expensive to go to an establishment so i just didn't drink.

Which is why i've stopped now to see what happens and what not.

Thanks for the advice any way.. I have thought about doing some research.. I know that a girl died on the 9th floor which is 4 below me.. She was on drugs and either she was pushed or she fell out of her window nobody knows but she sure didn't survive the fall sadly..

Sorry to hear about your problems, Have you considered seeing a priest? They may be able to help you, as it sounds like something very evil has chosen you, and you realy have to get rid!

I'm not religious so i'd just be asking myself what a priest could ever do =-/

This I can relate to, but ask yourself this, is what I am seeing evil? Priests are there, to do the work of god, but that entails doing good, and preventing evil, basicaly what im saying, is if you believe in what you see, then there must be more to the universe than meets the eye, wether it is a god or not, and from the sounds of it any path is worth investigating, I was visited by something when I was younger, I did not see it, but I could feel it, and it was pure evil, if your spirit is even a fraction of what I felt then you realy need to get help from somewhere.

But i find myself asking "if there IS something here then why can i not sense it?" sure something like that could be sensed or be doing things during the day and such.

AF-

These kinds of things are energized by fear: the more you fear them, the stronger they become. There is no way of defeating them directly; the only way of defeating them is in conquering your fear. Do whatever you have to to get your anxiety under control: sleep with the lights on; sleep with the television on, or whatever. Whenever I feel that certain spirits are trying to spook me, I imagine that I am a lion.

Ever played the infamous Q board ?

It's odd that you should say that.. I never have ANY problems when i'm sleeping during the day.. But it wont totaly just leave will it?

These things never give up trying, but if they're not making any progress, they'll be more inclined to seek out some other victim.

Makes me wonder how they first came to be since they're not spirits and obviously have some intelligence about them.

I don't know how smart they are; I think it's more that they have the ability to see the near future. That is why it is so difficult to fight them directly: they know your every move before you even make it.

Which would suggest that they may also know what you fear the most.. Nobody is afraid of nothing but it's worth a shot i guess.

Your situation is has more of a dominating spirit. Your best bet is to confront it. It doesnt matter if you are religious or not. Confront it without fear and with a strong will and it will leave. And if it doesnt it might be too strong for you alone so find someone you can trust to help you.

Well that's kind of out of the question really because what if i'm the only person who can see it..? The other person wouldn't be able to fear what they cannot see.. It'd be like trying to fear a shark in the middle of the desert lol.. I know it is here but i don't fear anything at the moment =-/

A person who can't see it and who isn't afraid is actually better than a person who can see it, but who is afraid.

I meant someone you can trust and someone that would believe you. The key phrase would be strength in numbers. You not so scared of the bully when a friend or two has got you back.

Yes but what like are supposed to pretend to fight something they can't see? =-/

You cannot fight such a thing physically. It is about confrontation. A combat of will not strength. Will it away. Your an imbicile if you accually run around swinging and punching the air. Spirits are what they are spirits. Battle it with your spirit with your will.

What and you actually think i run around doing that? I was talking about the dream state.

No comment..

Imbicile out.

No. But I know of some who do. I was giving an example since you seemed to use the word fight in a physical sense. Dreams are dreams. If they are realistic to the point that you have a sense of being in the dream physically then your concious mind sould be aware of what is going on in the dream. So really do the same as you would awake, will it away.

Well the fact that i have to force myself to wake from the dream suggests i am very concious in it.. Some times it's hard to do.. It's hard to describe.. In the dream i feel it's taking control, stoppig me from taking control again, stopping me from waking, i literaly shake my head in the dream like a person tries to shake off dizziness.. Yes i always win, i manage to wake but only if i stay in complete control and force the dream to end myself. Then i stay awake for a few minutes, maybe 10.. Hoping that by the time i am asleep again the dream will be different but it's not and the "fight" begins again.

I had dreams very much the same about six or so years ago, so I understand where you are coming from. My suggestion from personal experience would be to prepare yourself for such dreams before hand. I would renact the dreams I remembered in my head in a meditated day-dream like state where I would have complete control of the situation in the dream. I would repeat this through out the day when ever the dreams would catch my train of thought during the day. After doing this repeatedly I would have my mind trained enough to where What I planned out during the day would happen in the dreams. Soon after the dreams stopped and since I have had extreme control of nightmares or other dreams. Perhaps you should try this and see if it helps.

I have thought about meditation and i know it is a very good thing and can have many great effects on a person but i wouldn't know where to begin really.

You dont even need to go the whole ten yards with meditiation. Just imagine and visually act out how you would want the dream to be in your head. Down to the oddness of maybe even transforming into a Power Ranger or a badass samurai or something. Kinda like how the kids on Nightmare on Elm Street 3 transformed or gained power in their dreams if you've seen the movie. Just remember that it is your mind, your body, your soul and you have full control over anything that could possibly harm or scare you.

Ok then worth a try i guess.

this is also the stance I take on this..... it is a psychological battle.....the skeptics are half correct on this .....

I have to admit that when the kid with glasses turned into "the wizard master" I loved it when Freddy SNUFFED him!! ....B




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I had an encounter with a similar sounding spirit. I had been having a heated phylosophical debate with a friend of mine (Roman Catholic v's no-RC) about a certain chapter in the bible to do with the serpent and the biting of heels and bruising of heads etc.... RC says her heel while non-RC says his heel. Anyhoo I digress. After the debate I went to bed and picked up my old King James bible from the early 1800's written in old english speak, very colourful language. So I was reading genesis etc... to refresh my memory about the serpent incident.....I fell asleep during this and in my dream I imediately carried on reading the bible (very vivid) don't remember putting the thing down. OK all of you are now thinking SP!!!! maybe partialy. In my dream I carried on readig the bible (word for word too, I am not a bible buff so this was interesting) my bedroom door swung open and a dark figure entered my room kinda hunched over, it placed a hand on the desk across my room and swungs itss head round to look at me...just blackness no features. this kinda gave me a supprise to say the least....My eyes snapped open and i saw exactly what I was seing in my dream... the figure was still there looking at me. I blinked a few times...still there I flapped about looking for the bible I had just had in my hands...still intently watching this spirit. It slowly faded away. I was a little supprised and confused. Then ripples of red light started to flow accross the ceiling like waves on the sea....I thought perhaps car brake lights or something so I jumped up and looked out of my window...nothing but still red lights. They faded after about 2 minutes. Never saw this spirit again. I did hear it though....but I got rid of it eventualy, once I figured I had to.

the figure crossed the consious void it would appear (or did)....... did you encourage it to leave? or do you feel it left on its own?.....B

Very interesting incident i don't know if i've ever had sleep paralysis as i don't know what it entails really.

ZOMG I just typed War and Peace and it vanished. Here I go again. Well Barek it was an interesting month after the visit from the black guy. He hung arround for about 3 days. Decided one night to start knocking on the roof above my bedroom door. Every time I got up to investigate it would stop as soon as I touched the door handle. I got up 3 times then thought aaah ****it and went to sleep still rember the knocking even as I drifted off to sleep. The next day I cleansed my house and it was gone, simple. It was the start of a spiritualy interesting month though. I had a dream that my Girlfriend (lived in Norway) at the time was being inaugurated into a black coven. I was bound and could not move, I was held by an unseen force and was looking through a portal, a demonic figure was showing me this event and taunting and mocking me. I awoke and was looking accross my room when there was a bright blue flash and a loud bang like a gun going off. It was so loud my ears were ringing afterwards. The next day I woke up looking at my ceiling when the same again bright blue flash and a loud bang, louder than the first. The third day I lay in bed and could hear a small bird at my window. The bird was joined by a friend and they would sometimes peck at the window (the curtains were closed). I could see their shadows moving on the windcil. They were joined by another and another. Starting to peck at the window as if attacking it. Eventualy there was literaly what seemed to be a swarm of birds attacking every window in the house, the noise was amazing. I kinda thought this was very unusual so I sat up and opened the curtains. The noise ceased and all the birds were not there, well all except a small sparrow at the window which flew off. My Girlfriend phoned my a couple of days later and announced she was now a black witch. Kinda explained what had been going on. :S

maybe it was your blue color coded shield deflecting an assault?.........B








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Ammusing but yes thats exacly what it was.

I know.....







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To be honest I was quite impressed as I had never encountered that level of strength before. Still not enough though ;D

Hmmmm... maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like there could be a simpler solution here. You said you were lucid dreaming, so you can control the dreams. I don't care who or what you believe is getting into your head, they are your dreams so you are in ultimately charge if you can obtain lucidity.

With lucid dreaming, you can do anything as long as you don't get too excited and wake yourself up. Why not just wiggle your nose and turn it into a cute little bunny rabbit? Force it to become benign. Whatever this is probably wouldn't bother with you if it no longer had the power to frighten you. If you're anything like me, it may take a couple of months to get the results you want. Same approach, different angle.

Yeh well like i said so far it always comes back lol.

Well usually repetitive dreams are about unresolved issues.

It's just the way humans are made.