can someone explain to me what the hack are these great differences between Christianity and Islam ???
i mean from what i remember "Jesus" is Isa in "Islam" hes story in Islam is almost IDENTICAL to the one in Christianity only difference is that Muslims refuse to call him "Son of God" they rather refer to him as Prophet (just like Mohamed)....
Soooo..... WHY all this hate if u believe in exactly the same dang thing ???


see i remember something wise old man once told me he said "if u truly want to go to heaven... and be happy in afterlife... never look at a person of different religion and think yourself better of him.. for at that moment in Gods eyes you are small as an ant compared to him..."

now i don't know how you guys understand this but to me it sounds like " if u judge someone for their beliefs than u have become much worst than they are... so now if u will please explain the reasons to hate one another ???

I'm completely with you on this one, I don't understand it either. I've been on the other side of the hate thing, some born-again Christian giving me a right old grilling and calling me "tainted with evil".

Sometimes those who think they know everything haven't even stepped one foot on the path.

There really isn't that much difference in my opinion. I am still learning about Islam so I couldn't give you as much a detailed response as Muslim, or Manipoint. I'm sure they could shed more light on your question than I could at the moment. But I think the biggest problem facing christians and muslims, Allah tells us that Mohammad was the last prophet sent. The bible tells us Jesus is the son of god. So it all boils down to "who is right" as with every religion.

so doesn't this ultimately prove that both religions believe in same god with different name ?

Yeah, that's what I think as well.....But, I'm not an expert on either religions and the only difference I see is what you said in your OP.....Christians believe Jesus to be son of God, whereas Muslims see him as another prophet.....

Yep. Same God.

If I'm not mistaken, and perhaps Manpoint or Muslim could clarify... but both Muslims and Christians believe Christ to have been the Messiah. Christians also believe him to be the Son of God, Muslims do not. Subtle but huge difference.

And just so I get my position in... I don't care what muslims believe, I don't hate them at all. Although I think all good Muslims as well as the rest of the world would like to see the Muslims get their extremists under control, just like Christians need to get their own extremists under control.

so ultimately no hardcore MUSLIM or Christian i willing to engage in a discussion ???

is this topic that ticklish ???

Im a "hardcore" christian The problem lies in the fact that the teachings of Muhammad and that of Christ are completely compatible, so it isnt really a problem is it? It is just that the organized denominations on both sides refuse to give up petty details. It is completely irrevelant whether Jesus is called the son of God or not because he was is and all of us equally so including Muhammad even if he wasnt called so. No such thing as "choosen ones" we all have the Kingdom of God within us.

Christian denominations like the Muslim denominations seem to want claim to the franchise I personally call "The last prophet stamp". Both are not willing to admit that there will always be "sages", "prophets" or "enlightened ones" to help man out of spiritual darkness. Like Ramana Maharshi who died 1950, he is easliy a Christ or Muhammad.

I dont think there is hate between the two religions. Yes the Christian God and the Muslim God are the same God. The only cause of our hatred is lack of knowledge. We dont know each other and ppl tend to hate that which they dont know. The main different is tha Muslims say God is one who has no partners whatsoever and no son no daughter. Christians mostly say trinity. The Bible says that Jesus is the son of God yes but son of God literally meant at the time of Jesus servant of God. However, Christians are free to interpret the Bible anyway they see fit. Anyway in short, I dont believe there is hate between Muslims and Christians just ignorance. Media likes to exagerate and make its eem like ooh all Muslims want to kill Christians and all Christians view Muslims as satanists! That isnt true since 1) the Quran doesnt say kill Christians they are called "people of the book", i.e the Bible that God sent down and are to be treated kindly and 2) the Bible says that he who confesses that Jesus is the Christ is of God and Muslims confess that Jesus is the Christ and so did Mohammed peace be upon him so no problem their too.

Islam - Literally and entirely monotheistic.
Christianity - Some version of Trinitarian Doctrine or outright Polytheist/hedonist position. Thus incompatible with the liberally monotheistic stance of Islam (as well as Judaism).

Thus, the Christian belief concerning the nature of God is a blasphemous stance for a Muslim.

Also, Muslim's are less tolerant of behaviors deemed inappropriate by their religion than are Christians, thus Christians allow sin to flourish from an Islamic perspective.

In my faith (LDS/Mormon) we have the following differences as well:

Islam - Muhammad was the last prophet
Contemporary Christianity - No prophets since Christ
LDS Christianity - Prophets were never absolutely unavailable, although a prophet to the world was not present between the Bible and Joseph Smith. So, for the LDS Muhammad was not the last prophet.

The basic belief of the Christian is that Jesus is the son of God and that the only way to salvation is through faith in him. Muslims do not believe Jesus is the son of God, but rather only a prophet. Their way to salvation is to keep the laws of the Koran as written down by what they believe to be another prophet - Muhamed.

There are other differences, and almost definitely differences that I'm not even aware of. They may be similar in some respects also, but that important distinction on the nature of Jesus and his role in salvation makes the world of difference in the outlook of Christianity and Islam.

Mostly salvation in Islam is by deeds. On judgment day ur deeds will be weighed in, good and bad, and if good is more then bad u enter heaven God willing.

I'd take that one step further and say all religion believes in the same god, with different names. All faith alludes to the creator of all things. So why are there variations as to which view of that is "right"!? It's one amazing ego, I think, that would place man in the position of saying there's only one right and true way to know a deific image that transcends human understanding, because that human ego imagines it can define god one way and that then is the only way to know god.

I think hatred stems from miscommunication

It partly has to do with human nature.

Something we dont entirely understand we start fearing glorifying or hating.

Something that is different from a persons knowledge and training during childhood tickles one curiosity. This in turn stimulates human emotions.

Unfortunatley in certain cases or certain individuals it results in hatred.

One thing as a responsible human being one can do is to point out wrong information or incorrectly "emphasized" information wherever one can find it.

An example of this may be an islamophobic or christianophobic report on the internet. You can write in the comments from your personal experience from talking to a muslim or christian that a certain report is correct or incorrect as an example.

I would like to point out that God and Allah are not the names of the respective christian and muslim God. These are designations from the viewpoint of a human being but are not at any time the given name of God.

Allah simply means God in arabic as Deus means God in Portuguese.

This God who is common to both Islam and Christianity doesn't have a name.

The only record of God actually giving himself a designation was to Moses when he called himself "I AM".

The hate is far more politically motivated than religous, I would say. There is reason for Muslims to hate Christians, since the time of the Crusades and there is reason for Christians to hate Muslims for the same reason, the conquest of new lands to further the Islamic kingdoms of the time.

Most of the world crisis we are living now at this time continues to be politically motivated but hidden under the cover of religous intolerence..


As for the theological differences, the one that is most incompatible is that muslims do not believe Jesus was crucified, thus they do not believe in the redemption of sin by the blood of Jesus. Since this is the central foundation of the christian faith, muslims in effect are dismissing christianity as a false religion.

Ask an honest question and you'll certainly get honest answers from both sides.

I agree with Jor-el on most of his points.

Interesting. I've found there seems to be a conflict in this part, with respect to other sources. Or perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

Excerpt:
The most fundamental belief that a Muslim has is that "There is only One God" the Creator, the Sustainer -- known in the Arabic language and by Muslims as Allah. Allah is not a foreign god, nor an idol. Arabic-speaking Christians use the same word for the Almighty.

The fundamental pillar of faith in Islam is to testify that "there is no deity worthy of worship except the One True Almighty God" (in Arabic: "La ilaha ill Allah").

Even the bible had names of OTHER gods.....I think one was called Rock and other Wood...lowes has em on sale right now too

less not forget that it was christianity that was born out of that of hebrew and islam ,and the reson christianity is so simaler to islam they don't have a
body, soooooo mohamed is still a prophet because he is still in the ground or the second comming of christ and names will be changed .

the hate is over the bloodline of the true blood out of the two, between two of aberhams wifes untill jesus came along and took maire as a wife but by god
they were married not by no church for no church could,only by god that is one and that is of the heart or so the story goes.

and no its not the same thing, the hate one has for the jews is over blood the hate one has for christianty is jesus's body was not found,and maybe hewas
right but you like me must waite thats not in his sons sights that is of the father our god not even the mother she went her way only the true god knows.

what langage would be on a tomb if any at all that would hold such a person that was born of flesh and born of spirit because jesus was or so they say he was
or maby just field stone covers such tomb.

love attracks and hate seperats without harmonies your choas and not ONE.

very very WRONG

Allah has 99 names

Christianity can not be dismissed for Qur'an says that true Christians will go to Heaven just like Muslims ...

i stop reading at the end of this quote for a clear reason (person typing has NO idea what he is talking about)

I am not sure that I see how you got this-



out of this-



And I also am not sure what got proven there.

In the sense of how its followers believe that they will attain salvation, Muslim belief is closer to Judaism than it is to Christianity. Following laws. The laws are different, but the method is the same, still laws. Also it strikes me as similar to Catholicism, and its ideas of salvation through good works. Christianity is the only one out of these major four that believes in salvation through grace alone.

Also, one other huge difference is that Christians believe that Jesus was a manifestation of God, holy in and of Himself, perfect, not just a prophet. There are many prophets in the Bible, but Jesus has a distinctly supernatural origin, and is considered a deity.

Maybe she already knew the answer but wasn't quite sure

So, did she know the answer, or was she not sure? And what was proven?

Ask any and all muslims on UM what they have to say! I guarantee that they will agree with me as muslim himself did on post 19. That's the one right above yours.

I 'll repeat it again so that there is no doubt to what I'm saying. God=Allah=Deus=Dieu=Dievas=YHVH (Adonái)=gichi-manidoo=Bóg=Jumala and so on and so on.

PS: And none of the above are Gods name. At most they are a classifucation, just like human being isn't your name, but rather a classification of your species.

You may want to believe that, but unfortunately even the muslim members of UM will say differently.

What you probably wanted to say was that God has 99 attributes.

Again, talk to our muslim friends on UM.

I don't think you payed much attention to these very same debates when Muslim, Mainpoint, Odas and a few others addressed these topics.

Muhammad (s.a.w.) said: ''Allah the Most High has ninety-nine names. He who retains them in his memory will enter Paradise''

http://www.batkhela.com/islam/99-names-allah.shtml

or

http://www.geocities.com/mutmainaa/asma_al_husna.html

i was BORN into a MUSLIM family, my grandfather is "Imam" in our community.... so no need to ask about any of this ....
lets focus on MAIN question in the thread and leave OTHER debates out of it ???

About "these major four", texasgirlheather: do you separate Islam, Judaism, Christianity, and Catholicism?!

I agree that Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are three separate religions, altho all are monotheistic and are "people of the Book". But are you saying that there is a distinction between being a Christian and being a Catholic??

Catholics are Christians, and have been for 2000 years! I think you're referring all the way back to the Reformation when you say that Catholics believe in "salvation thru good works" and that "Christians" (Protestants?) believe in "salvation thru grace alone." Those were code words commonly used during the Reformation--which was about 400 years ago!!! Another code phrase used by Protestant Christians at that time was "sola scriptura"--i.e. that the Bible was to be one's only guide to belief. Which is fine, I believe in studying the Bible too, but look how Protestants began splitting off into different denominations almost immediately--because they all interpreted the Bible differently!

Catholics do not believe that anyone is saved thru good works alone. Good works matter, of course, Jesus talks at great length about how Christians are to behave and to treat each other--but Catholics also certainly think that one must have faith in Christ as Savior.

To Catholics it isn't a matter of either/or (either salvation thru works OR salvation thru grace) but of both.

Jor-el, they are 99 names and attributes since the names are attributes.

If you ask a Christian (protestant) how to attain salvation, they will generally say something along the lines of "we are saved by the grace of God, through our faith/trust in him".

If you ask a Catholic how to attain salvation, they will generally respond like this: "we are saved by the grace of god through our faith/trust in him, and then we have to go to confession, take communion with saints, say Hail Mary's, believe in the Saints and the sanctity of the virgin Mary, and you have to attend midnight mass at Christmas time...... *continues at some length with various rituals*".

I guess you could call both protestants and catholics as "Christians", but considering the differences as highlighted above, it would be very imprecise to do so, imo.

Regards, PA

you give yourself a place to debate and then you go and be ignorent ,and like a child that lost its toy you cry.

AL-BARI' THE EVOLVER
AL-KHALIQ THE CREATOR
AL-MUTAKBBIR THE MAJESTIC
AL-JABBAR THE COMPELLER
AL-AZIZ THE MIGHTY
AL-MUHAYMIN THE PROTECTOR
AL-MU'MIN THE GUARDIAN OF FAITH
AS-SALAM THE SOURCE OF PEACE
AL-QUDDUS THE HOLY
AL-MALIK THE SOVEREIGN LORD
AR-RAHIM THE MERCIFUL
AR-RAHMAN THE BENEFICENT
AL-BASIR THE ALL-SEEING

And as I said, and as anyone who can read can see, these are attributes of God/Allah.

None of them are his name. Being from an Islamic family, you should have been the 1st to recognize these as such.

Yes we can say they are names in format, just as they are specifically attributes or rather adjectives to describe God/Allah.

Just as there are adjectives to describe people and their personalities. None of them are that persons name though, do you see the distinction?

Well then what exactly is the main focus of the thread?

Is it the differences between Islam and christianity?

I think you have been answered in that respect, or you can be more specific in your request.

So Catholics are not Christians?

You know, I should stop wondering why people are ignorant to Islam. Just listen what they know, say and try to explain about their own faith.

HMMM..tasty thread here. Just like most religions.Christianity and Islam do share some common elements, but as stated before Christian View as Jesus savior is huge, thats the foundation. So that does greatly spearates the 2. ON the God having many names, back then "names" used to describe someone. For example Jesus was also called Jesus of Nasereth, and also Immanuel ..just to name a few. So these names in todays word are attributes.And as Jor-el stated the only name God ever stated was when Moses asked who should i say sent me, and God answered " I Am"

Let me make my post clearer

"Muhammad (s.a.w.) said: ''Allah the Most High has ninety-nine names. He who retains them in his memory will enter Paradise''

Christianity gives more credit to Jesus Christ. Christianity is not Jesusity.

Jesus is Isa in Islam, Esus in Celtic, and in Judaism he is not really anything.

There are 3 monotheistic religions: Judaism, Islam, and Christianity. It is more of a mistranslation of the role of Christianity that Jesus is put at centerstage. In the bible there was a transfiguration where Jesus appeared in a cloud on a montain with Moses and Elijah. Moses sounds like the law, the 10 commandments. Islam will cut your hand off if you steal . . . ouch! That's the law! Elijah has to be thought of with his counterpart Elisha. Elisha could be Judaism. Elijah was taken by whirlwind to heaven and left his mantle behind. That sounds like Jesus and Christianity. Now, we know why everybody is warring and hating. LIke everything else, the things that bring love are disappearing.

Oh please, just take the cake and eat it if you can, this is not worth arguing about...

Is the man blind or is he unable to see... Hmmm, I wonder what the difference is?

but why dose anyone have to be right ?
in my way of thinking there is no right or wrong way to the reliogion you seek as long as it brings you closer to your god and your beliefs but hey what do i know im wiccian

99-names for your god but to me your one short of and that is yourself and because you don't acknowledge the true god that is one,

then once you acknowledge the truth, that number becomes 100 and then paradise you will walk in.

jews and musilms fight over there right of bloodline not what is today thats of man and ideas of man to dominate in what they believe.

but what they believe in is crooked and of hate which seperats and that started when aberhams wives ,the mothers of those brothers

clamed each as there truth in bloodlines.

and WHO said he was MY god >?

go dig up atlantis or something

so what your saying is that you don't beleive in what your father has told you in life your born into a musilm family but you don't believe in there god.