Sure, I said the same thing in one of my earliest posts on this thread:

Good call IAMS..never noticed that lil part..in with so many replies LOL

I say IF I believed God did appear to Moses (saying IF I believed)..then I would say..why ever not a burning bush too

BUT see I dont believe the bible story of moses...but that dont mean God cant appear to you in any way god see's fit....IF God was in human forum..then it makes sense to only appear in that human form..I just think MAN wrote that, cuz he believed that we humans are the be all and end all...I dont think he used his brain to think that God can be anything...

BM, i think several people have stated in other threads that this idea that early Jews (the Old Testament was written before there were Christians) is taken out of context.


BM, I quoted directly from your post:



Yes, it was obviously written by a man, but if you read Genesis, it was a man quoting what God said.


True, different men in different countries at different times in history, the only thing they have in common at times is that they are all serving God and inspired by Him to write what they wrote.


Well, evolution of a sort, in that it is change, but I don't see it as physical change, at least not while on Earth, I see it as changing and growing mentally and spiritually to a point where those who have submitted to God will be given perfect bodies.


No reason at all. God is an all-powerful being, who for whatever reasons (and I sometimes think that quite a bit of the reason is pure humor) chooses to appear to man in many different forms, maybe in part to get man to understand that being made in God's image is NOT a physical appearance.

I urge you not to see this as me disputing your beliefs IAMS LOL im giving you my opinion on how I see them..


Umm nooo you didnt cuz you actually said..this....
So......MAN di actually say God said this...man had to have done..and so man WROTE it down ........<--is what I believe happened...God did not write the bible...I dont believe he spoke to anyone and told them what to write either....if he was going to give us knowledge..then he is NOT lazy..after all IAMS he wrote the 10 commandments right?? so why not write his own bible then?? lazy?? after all if he wrote his own bible............there would be no need to take anything out of context...no contradictions ect ect...........God is not thick LOL.. If he wher to write the bible PERFECT ORDER...now I know you didnt say God wrote it..but you do think he told man what to do, as if man was his lil secretary lol no I pretty much doubt thats how it went....
A lot of christian will tell you that the bible is only INSPIRED by God...Man wrote what he believed to be how God wanted him to write

Watch...this ...

see?? that dont mean God told them what to write...word for word...cuz if God did, then I would have reason to then believe God is not all there, as the bible dont make much sense to me

Now before you go off IAMS..remember I am only posting my OWN opinion...I accept yours too...


I dont believe a word of it...I dont believe God had any part in that bible...to be inspired is one thing..but to claim God said this and God said that..is totally different...and if thats the case then IAMS, would you believe me if I told you God spoke to me last night, told me this and that....would you believe me?? I mean would you believe that God actually SPOKE out loud to me??? I doubt you would...so maybe you can understand as to WHY I dont believe God spoke out to anyone that wrote that book!!!


that dont make sense to me.there will never be a man alive that will come close to being as perfect as God.....no offence to you IAMS here is something else I thought didnt add up....


WHne you look in the mirror, you see your OWN reflection right? meaning your image?? -- Image = how one LOOKS..appearance...........sinse you once took the dictionary to show the meaning of the word fundalmental....I took the dictionary too...

Look here 17 results found for the word IMAGE.
5. form; appearance; semblance: We are all created in God's image. <--who would have thunk it??!!
and
1. a physical likeness or representation of a person, animal, or thing, photographed, painted, sculptured, or otherwise made visible.

Now IAMS to say your kid is the image of you...it would mean he look just like you.................for man to claim God made us in his image..he meant we humans - God in human form also...........

Now you wont see my point...I dont expect you too...like I said I just gave you my OWN opinion to this matter

thanks for reading

That would imply that the Devil is a kind of God, which he isn't. He is a fallen Angel and angels can assume any form they want to.

Why would people assume he has evil powers then??

But hey you are right about angles taking any form..this I havent seen, but i do believe in it

Up until a few years ago the Coelacanth was considered to have been extinct for millions of years, yet out of the blue we find he is well and alive.

There is at the moment no proof either way that things happened or didn't happen the way the bible explains them. Things may change in the future but for the moment you are counting your chickens before they have hatched. Just like those who wrote off the Coelacanth.

Angels have inherent powers that are theirs because of their nature. Satan or the devil is no more and no less than an angel that is opposition to God, and continues to have the power that is inherent in his nature.

God uses him anyway even if christians don't understand that part very well. You will notice that many times people are the one who give him power (phsychological power) over their lives. He is called above all, the deceiver and the accuser.

BM, hi

Some early christians and most of the world too, believed that the earth was the center of the universe. But please notice, the bible never said any such thing. I mean that!! It never said we are the apex of Gods creation. It never said that the earth was the center of anything much less the universe.

It is interesting how mans ego reads into a book what is actually never stated.

It also never said that man is the 1st intelligent creature that God has made. Whats' more there is circumstancial evidence that the bible actually points to previous rises of intelligence on earth before mankind.

Just like the bible never says ANYWHERE that the earth is around 7000 years old.

As for man being made in Gods image. I'll paste the relevant verses so that you can then see the point I'll be making shortly.

Genesis 1:27

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

Notice that male and female are both made in his image, but male and female are different physically speaking aren't they?

Genesis 2:7

7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

Man only seems to be considered a living being after God breathed into his nostrils and passed the spirit of life into the mold he created.

Is the mold in the image of God or is there something missing in the meaning?

It seems that what is made in the image of God is not the physical body but rather the spirit that lives in that mold. The mind, the intelligence, the spirit, these are what were made in the image of God, the bodies are just a physical carriage for the rest.

I agree, what I'm saying is that no one will reach the goal of being made in God's image until after the final judgment, and then God will complete the change, man will not do this, God will.


Actually you're kinda making my point here, BM, because although lots of people do say my son is my image and that I'm my Dad's image, we don't exactly look completely alike, I'm 25 years younger than my Dad, my son is 25 years younger than me, and even when you look at pictures of us at the same age, we don't look exactly like each other. But we do have a lot of the same personality traits and even make some of the same faces and smile and frown the same. I'm about 3 inches taller than my father and my 14 year old son is already a quarter of an inch taller than me, so he will probably be more than 3 inches taller than me.... and he's about 100lbs lighter than me. But yet, he still does look like me, there's no need for a paternity test to prove he's my son, and neither does my Dad. Image means a "likeness" not necessarily a perfect copy (although it can also mean that), at least not in this instance

So do I, but i most prefer them when they appear in acute form:)

I think rev r got it right.
The Gods come in what ever form suits them. I have seen them as a crow, a snake, a wolf, blue light with sparkels, very rarely do I see them in human form.
You can take that as you wish.

Why is it when I read a thread topic with the title "burning bush" I get all frisky inside?

Because it wasn't God, it was the angel Metatron (formerly Enoch one of only two humans ever to become angels) and angels are made of FIRE. You can't SEE God alive (I'm not talking dreams here that's different) in mortal form because you will DIE. God's face emits sparks and he eats and breathes FIRE and is more bright than the sun. Speaking of the sun it would be akin to sitting next to the sun, you would be burned alive, incinerated. Same thing. Metatron is known as 'the VOICE of God' and he was speaking FOR God. Or at least one would like to hope so wouldn't they.

True, but almost every form of religion thought the same as well.

That's a nice story, but that's like saying "you can't see the magickal pony god, because you'd DIE if you looked at it." Also you have to remember, is that fire in the bible is that of the devil - burning lake of fire and such. But still, Yahweh being based on an ancient war god spitting fire makes sense, I guess.

Once again, The non-comsumable fire myth (the burning bush) was "borrowed" from Zoroastrianistic legend, where Zarathushtra (a Persian prophet) walked up into a mountain that god had set on fire, it neither consumed the mountain nor burnt Zarathushtra. Non consuming fire, during that time in the Middle East was a well known supernatural thing. Another thing I came across a while ago was, that it was a bush Moses saw, which is kinda odd. The Hebrew word for thorny bush (Sene) also means "Sinai" - the desert around Egypts border with Isreal, so maybe infact Moses saw the burning desert. And due to hallucinations from the heat "heard" gods voice.

Well here's the thing............If man beleives God made us in his own image...not meaning to act like him eventually lol but in HUMAN FORM...so why not appear in human form, as proof God is in human form then??

Maybe some gods can't. Maybe the act of creation drains a god's powers. Maybe they showed up so much in the old days, that now they can't. Maybe that is why we hear pagans "seeing" their gods, those cats have had some time to recharge.

Perhaps human forms for gods come with the same limitations as ours.

Who says the Gods made us in their physical image. They seem to operate with a different set of physics.

The only thing satan has in common with fire is that he is an angel. ALL angels are made of fire. There is no hell, and the 'lake of fire' is where angels bathe, dip their tongues and get 'baptised in fire' the way humans (which was around before Jsus and John, Adam and Eve immersed themselves in the Tigris river for what would be 40 days for forgiveness until they were rudely interrupted by guess who) are baptised in water. Satan is JUST an angel, an angel who was 'cast out from among his bretherin' for refusing to bow to a 'son of clay' (Adam) because he though the was superior because he was a 'son of fire' (angel). And his revenge against humanity started then so says he himself, because itwas 'because of you (Adam)' that he was cast out. He, like all 'fallen' angels still works for God, but he like some angels works as an accusing angel. All angels are the Sons of God'benai Elohim' in Hebrew. He's an arch enemy of mankind because of his own bitterness but not against God. No angel is dumb enough to go against God.

Sorry DW & rev, I wasnt talking about other Gods, I was talking about the chrsitian God from the bible..hence where the storey of the burning bush took place

Sorry BM, if it goes for one god it goes for them all. Perspective thing and all.

Yeah, that's wonderful. God's perfect.. God can do anything..

.. Except keep humans from dying when physically seeing him... or alter his existence to not kill humans...

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I'll tell ya, that's pretty convenient for all the other religions, because they have just as much proof as "God's true religion".. none!

I guess some people just do not understand the meaning of "able to do anything". If your God IS able to do anything, then there are no potential problems that could resist or change anything he chose to do. If he wanted humans to see him in person, then he would simply alter the situation to not kill humans. If he could do anything, that would not be hard at all.

*Sigh*.. Sometimes I wonder why I even debate these things.. "made of sparks, eats fire, hot as the sun, all powerful, all knowing, speaks through angelic beings".. what is this.. a fantasy novel?

Well, it's a fire hazzard for starter's....... *batting my eyelashes at PA*

Ohh rev i agree with you..but in this sistuation...I made the thread referring to the God from the chrsitian bible..hence to the story i was talking about - the story of MOSES....I didnt mention other Gods, because i dont know much about them