honestly i do not think god cares about any one

after today i honestly have no faith left in him or his religion


and Nice people get stomped on and if you try to do good deeds you will be punished

so my message to every one is be a jerk the rest of your life and it will be great

Well God only does care about Himself.....this is true! Because all is God and nothing exists but God so where are the others for God to care for???

This is a nice story which will make you think twice before saying that!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWhJMBNcuTI

God isn't here to make everything good and peaceful here on Earth. It's all a test to see if you will do good deeds and deal with the bad outcomes.

Actually, it's quite the opposite; God cares about everyone, but it is people who continually demonstrate that they do not care for God. They endure hardship, are persecuted, and they blame God and turn away from Him. Or they want certain things or expect their lives to go a certain way, and when this isn't the case, they express hatred and contempt toward God. Yes, often times "Nice people get stomped on" and "good deeds [cause one to be] punished," but these are only in the temporal world; people who truly believe in God will be rewarded when the time comes for all of their sufferings.

What's the fun of being a jerk the rest of your life . I'm sorry for whatever reason made you feel this way.

It's always fun when life comes up and gives you a preemptive kick in the balls isn't it? Welcome to the real world



It really is fun, you should give it a try *kicks a puppy!*

If I keep listening to you, I'll be evil in no time

God does nothing because there probably isn't one.

While I think this is more of a Blog entry, than a post for these particular forums, I'll say for what ever made you feel this way suddenly it would seem you have a choice. Continue to believe something shall save you from this life , which it would appear you've given up on believing shall happen, or save yourself.

What ever this is that suddenly smacked your reality, as long as you're alive you can do something about it. Even the holy books say god is inside you, which implies you are the living temple of creator/creation. (Remember Genesis? Man was made in the image and likeness of God?) Which means the essence of that power that lets you to make your own life, by will, is in your power. Answer your own prayers, reach for your own destiny. Look in the mirror and witness the god you know in the flesh, as creator of your moment to moment by choice. Don't fret because you think now you know nothings listening. Indeed some of us think it's that truth every day. Instead, pick yourself up and assume the challenge this experience has given you, instead of pouting about what you think you've lost in some myth that cares. Do something with your life, because you're worth it. You're all you have, to face your destiny.

Well that's an excellent attitutude to have, hate everyone, hate God, hell you probably even hate yourself. What is it that makes you think God doesn't care about you? Elaborate.

You and I are friends; you've never been a jerk to me; if you were to start being a jerk to me, I would be confused as to why; if you kept it up for a long time it would create distance and hurt feelings possibly; so for you to do to me what you perceive has been done to you, would create more of the same. I could conceivably go on and say the same thing to someone else if you wounded me by being a jerk on purpose, thereby continuing the pattern, spreading hate, creating more darkness. Would you want that to happen?

It is better to deal with something in a healthy way that neutralizes the hate, than it is to pass it around with you being its carrier and infecting people who will infect other people.

Just trying to get in your thoughts and help you. You know I luv ya.

well friday my moms ex boyfriend showed up and hit her so i threw him out of the house and took my mom to the hospitol and almost got fired from work for it

one of our departments was in trouble for one night so i volunteered to help and they left me all alone and then yelled at me and docked my pay for screwing up

my bestfriends turned there back on me because i tried to prevent a fist fight.

the girl i have been in love with told me never to speak to her again because i told her parents her boy friend abuses her

my dad wants to move to California which is sux so bad because he is my link to my family and he was always a good father to me, all because i helped him buy his current home

i donated $50 to a kids foundation but they "accidentally" took $200 which i dont mind giving for a good cause but i had to pay my moms Car insurance with that money


so laltly i feel like every time i do a good deed i get punished for it. and i try to be postive but it has gotten to the point where i dont even wana do a good deed in the fear of something bad happening to me, whats next i donate cloths to the red cross and they like my cloths so much they send hired goons to beat me to death?

im sorry for my outburst but its really frustrating being a nice guy and being punished for it

also i got to meet one of my heroes which was good ...he puked on me....that wasent cool

Im sure god cares, just not about you though...... im kidding,,lol,lol.

The reason I am openly against Christianity is because it is pitiful to see so many people wasting their lives following a doctrine created by a corrupted system. What if it was proven that there was no Heaven? Trillions of hours of people's lives around the world would be wasted for nothing at all.

let me see if i understand... you're mom's boyfriend hit her

(some people don't even have a mom)

you took her to the hospital... so i assume you have a car

(some people don't even have legs...)

you donated $50 and they took $200

(some people have to beg for $1... but you can afford to give $50)

you almost got fired... which means you didn't...

(some people don't have jobs and would love one)

you helped your dad buy a house

(some people don't even have a dad... and couldn't help them do anything... even if they did have one)

so what part of that says God doesn't care?

your mom's boyfriend could have killed her... your car could have broken down... you could have lost your job... and i'm sure your friends will get over you breaking up the fight... friends get mad at each other... that's just life... as far as i can see... you just had a bad day...

Talk about nonsense...id like to see you keep up a christan cheer after having a day like that guy had,

There have been times I felt a bit like this... but then one day as I was driving down the road, I passed this little Christian Church.

Every so often it would have something to say on it's big billboard that is set on a sort of busy community street in the neighborhood..

I was rushing to drop off my daughter at the sitters so I could go into work for yet another day of stress... planning my day of things I really need done etc...

Then I read this message on the Church billbard on my way:

"MAN MAKES PLANS and GOD LAUGHS"

I didn't think much about it, at that time....

After work, on this same day I had a small car accident while on my way to the doctors. I had all these plans and rushing around to get things done.. and then some guy out of the blue rams into me from behind at a stop light. Needless to say my plans were changed

That billboard message came to mind immediately!

So, would all the good work done by people as service to God, you know the Mother Teresa's and Martin Luther King Jr's of the world, be wasted effort? I don't think so. Would the money donated by Christians because they believe God calls them to be charitable be useless money? Again, I think not.

Yes, great evil has been done by people hiding their personal hatreds under the guise of God's love, but great good has also been done by people who only seek to give the name of God glory.

Your employers are poor business managers and taking advantage of their workers. If they really wanted the job done, and knew you had no experience with that other department, they should have checked on you occasionally. If you hadn't volunteered, they might have ordered you to do it and still blamed you for failing.



They weren't good friends if they'd leave you for breaking up their fight. You just thought they were.



It's a girl thing, she falls in love with some aspect of her bf, and has the delusion that she can change him. The only cure for it is experience, when someday she might admit he's no good.
Your telling her parents when she knows that you like her, looks like jealousy.



No chance you can follow him there eventually?



If they weren't willing to return the unauthorized extra money, then they are corrupt, and were never worthy of any donations at all.



Which proves he's human too.

It looks like there is a god, who is being very kind to you by showing you the truth about the people around you. There is goodness, that comes from within. And hopefully you'll be able to see who your real friends and true loves are, when you find them.



Though having an afterlife is a good thing which very few people would decline, and an afterlife of pleasure is better than one of pain, why should the existance of heaven matter in deciding whether to be good in the present? Anyone who really wants to do evil but represses it simply for the delayed reward of "heaven" is unfit for paradise anyways. The thing which makes the heaven you go to good would be the company you'll be in. Would it still be heaven if all your needs were provided for but the people there were viscious and mean?

On a purely materialistic level, goodness can lead to generally kinder world for being alive in.

well i just got jumped by my EX-bestfriends they hit me with there car door and told me to never walk down there block again....

they have been my best friends for 14 years and all because i tried to break up a fight

and this has been happening in the past week

its just seems like every good deed digs me farther into a hole and i never expect anything in return for my good deed but i don't want to be punished for doing a good deed


and i know my problams seem like nothing compared to people living in 3rd world countries but if they lost there best friends, girl they loved and wont be able to see there family wouldnt they feel like God shat on them too?

i don't care where your from or what status you have, when you lose your friends, family and the love of your life in one week...your in for a bad time

i guess your right, but its sux having to "find out" because i knew some people were bad people and i have been friends with these guys for 14years and they were so cool but lalty they have been acting like they ruled everything and there argument for me stopng the fight was "who are you loyal to?, you should have let josh beat him up"

which is completely different from what they were back in the day

and for my heroe i know he is human but it was kinda degrading seeing someone who i looked up too but i still see him as a heroe its like an honor to be puked on hheheh


also if go with my dad to cali then i would leave my mom behind who is all alone right now which is kinda a rock in a hard place

either move with my dad to stay in contact with my family but leave my mom all alone where she prob become homless or live in a ghetto its kinda like i could go live the good life but screw my mom over or i could stay and be alone with my mom but make sure she lives an ok life style.... kinda mind warping

so what losing my best friends the love of my life my father and losing my money isnt a bad thing

i dont care what your status is or where you live losing friends,love and family is worse than anything

Sometimes what really seems like a problem, is just your circumstances changing. Sometimes we are shown that we place too much emphasis on the things of this world. You already lost that girl a while ago, but because you are still hanging on to something that's been unhealthy for a while, your perception is that you lost her again. You did what was right; you were trying tell her parents that she needs help (If I remember correctly this girl is still young right?). There is such a thing as holding on too tightly.

Will your dad be lost to you forever? Or will you still be able to keep in touch with him?

If you didn't know enought about that department, you should have told someone and made it clear that you were not willing to take responsibility for things that you do not know how to do, but you were willing to help out. Or it might be better off not taking on work that you haven't been trained for.

If ten really fabulous things happened to you in one week, would you be praising God? Do you want to be someone whom things just happen to, or do you want to be someone who can make the best with what you're given? Do you want to be a spectator, helpless, or do you want to be proactive and make productive choices? Some things you can change; some you can't.

Your friends may be being ugly to you; you can choose to either still be a friend to them, which means taking the high road, or you can choose to back off and evaluate if you want to be friends with them still. I had to cut ties with a lot of people from my youth because of their dangerous lifestyle.

Change does not always mean that God doesn't care about you.

Do you think God was controlling your friends, making them act that way, like they were puppets on a string? If God chooses to bring about things in your life that force you to grow and think, that means he's interacting with you. I can see how you would say that you don't like what he's doing, because from your perspective they are unpleasant things, but I am not sure why you think He doesn't care at all.

Aw I'm so sorry. I've often felt that God doesn't care about me and it seems like bad things always happen to me and my life/lives. But when I seem to lose that faith something happens to change my mind and it shows me that God does care about me and hasn't forgotten little old me. Having doubts is a part of being on this dimension since we can't see or touch God.

Oh for sure! And it seems to me too that looking at the past things seem to work out. Whenever I went through a period of thinking God doesn't care about me when He did show me He cared that ended up making my faith stronger. Maybe the original poster is going through a test or something I really don't know. Sometimes things are happening when you can't see it for whatever purpose.

Aw I'm really sorry you're having a bad time. I know how you feel though when it feels like God has forgotten about you and left you but you know what? God really hasn't. You should go somewhere and spend time in meditation talking to God and just expressing how you feel to Him. That always helps me whenever I'm feeling down and depressed. If God doesn't listen I know my guides do. Have you ever tried making contact with them? If you're interestred in that PM me and I can explain it to you or you can possibly make a new post about speaking with your guides and I'm sure there are people here who could help you with that. Maybe you're trying to help people who don't want to be helped for whatever purpose. Maybe with the chairty those kids needed the money or something. I really am not sure about that but I believe everything happens for a reason. Sometimes though we don't know that reason until after it happens. I hope things cheer up for you and I'm sending you some positive energy. I hope you accept it for the highest good.

Hawk,

I'm sorry you're having to experience all of this grief in one week's time! I can understand being angry with God. But I would have to ask you one thing:

Is God making you be angry at Him or was that your decision?

If you believe that you are no better than a little action figure God plays around with, then you must then see that everyone else, your friends, your girlfriend, and everyone else is also no better than an action figure and not responsible for all of the things they have done and said to you. And you're not really angry at God because you're incapable of doing anything on your own, so God is pretending that you're angry at Him and you're just going through the motions.

Or if you believe you make your decisions on your own, then you must realize that your friends and your girlfriend are also responsible for their actions, and that God has to allow them to make their own decisions, but He's not making this happen, He's simply honoring everyone's free will and it's ridiculous to be angry at God for something someone else is choosing to do.

At times like this, at least in my life, the best I can do is go to the one friend I know will never betray me and just dump on Him and lean on Him.

I hope in a few days you will see things turning around in your life.

It's what you make of Christianity that matters to me. There are some really great things that Jesus taught us that we can all follow and believe in such as his second commandment "love thy neighbor as thy self." I've had enough experiences with the spiritual world to know there is a Heaven which is the thought of an after life where you're with God. To me the idea of hell is being away from God.

i've had worse days than that... and i can honestly say that i never once blamed God...

what's the sense in blaming God for actions i choose to take... or the actions of other people... we have free will... the problem is that people don't think about all the consequences of their actions... just what good can come... and never about the bad...

my question is this... how is any of that God's fault?

i hope you don't think God should make everyone puppets to keep your feeling from getting hurt... if that was the case... He would have to make you a puppet for someone else...

people make their own decisions and then blame God when what they do bites them in the butt... it's just how life works...

people always want to blame everyone but themselves...

when is the last time you heard someone admit that the car accident was totally their fault? i never have... people just want something or someone to blame... so they can feel helpless and sorry for themselves...

god is not here to give us the answers and do everything for us he is here to guide us. just like teachers dont give you the answers on a test because they want to see if you can do it. ii still dont get why people expect everything from him

From the sound of things, they're going to keep getting worse. And eventually there's a good chance that they'll either end up in prison or getting hurt themselves. If you hadn't done the right thing, you'd still be hanging with them and probably in the same trouble. Losing them might sting a little, but god is rewarding you for your good deed by keeping you out of long-term trouble in a way where you aren't being harmed. If you had crossed them a year from now, maybe you would have gotten shot or stabbed.

Think of it a little like Joan of Arcadia. God tells her to take a bully to the dance, so she does and he gets expelled for bringing a bottle with him. But then you find out if she hadn't, he would have come to the dance anyways and started shooting people. What's good isn't always the same thing as what's fun, but it's better than if you didn't.



It seems like god wants you to go. Maybe you're being given a chance to relocate, and most of the reasons for staying have disappeared. If you can come up with money to help her out now, maybe you can send her money from the left coast once you get set up there. And you could go back and visit her sometimes, there's no reason you have to say goodbye forever.

wow thats pretty harsh ...i'm sure god cares but we all have to make are way in this life...working towards the next....

I'm going to play the atheist and say, you should stop getting so down about whether a fictional character cares about you or not. You are not being punished, good and bad things happen to everyone, and some times you go on a streak of bad things and you get down, and some times you go on a streak of good things and thank the lord, when frankly, he may have had nothing to do with it. It might to feel good to feel rewarded by the good things, but it sucks to feel punished by the bad things because you keep asking yourself "where did I go wrong?" when, obviously, you did the right thing in every case.

well what did i do wrong?

i did the right thing and it screwed me

and i just wanted to know why am i being punished for doing good for mankind shouldn't i be rewarded instead of punished and i didn't do any of this to be rewarded but i didn't do it to be punished and i just wanted an answer to why should a decent human being be f'ed over because he did the jesus way of things of turning the other cheek and being a kind human to all just to be stoned by everyone

and right now i am losing alot of faith not just in god but human kind also

its like me in a car at a stop light and someone hits my car and they apologize and i forgive them but then they sue me for some reason

wouldn't you feel cheated?

The stuff that happened to you isn't God's fault. You may have done good and have suffered punishment for those deeds but God didn't sue you in that car accident. Because God gave us free-will he would not alter the other peoples actions.

The thing about free will is that we each can use it to do good...but that isn't going to stop other people from using their free will to screw you over.

The fault lies with mankind and not God.

There are things that can be blamed on God(depending on how you look at it). Like my Dad is a generally good person and a devout Catholic but has had close to 90 brain surgeries(and counting) throughout his life and will die young. When my Uncle was in the military he build houses for the homeless on a no named island somewhere in Africa and was rewarded by contracting a lung disease that allows him to sick very easily.

Life isn't fair, it isn't equal, and it isn't just.

Hawkmason, sometimes life just isn't fair, sometimes the sun shines, sometimes it rains, and sometimes it pours. Right now it's pouring. It's happened to everyone. You have to stop dwelling on how wrong you've been done. Yes, stuff is unfair sometimes, but that's life and you have to deal with it instead of crying about it. We here care about you, and this is a safe place for you to talk. I really am sorry that you are so down, I like you a lot and I always have since I first noticed you pop up. Offering you advice is the most caring thing I feel like I can do for you. I'm glad that you come to us, your friends here, to express your hurt and frustration, I am not trying to suggest that you shouldn't express it, but you've expressed it and now it's time to move into the second phase of dealing with a problem, which is: "How am I going to constructively solve it, and learn from it?"

The Bible says, I think somewhere in Ecclasiastes, that there is a time for everything. A time for joy, a time for mourning, etc... I will find it in a minute and edit this. There has to be a balance. Everything can not be easy all the time. The choices you make now will resonate throughout your adulthood. So you should ask yourself what actions you can take that are positive, despite the things going on around you that seem negative. There are many possible outcomes to each situation, do you want the better ones or the worse ones? You play a role in what outcome is achieved in each of your situations.

This is how people develop character.

Besides, look on the bright side, you've got all the makings of a horrible country song. You just need a dog to die. HAHA IT'S A JOKE, LAUGH DANG IT!


Ecclesiastes ch. 3: "To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; a time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; a time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; a time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; a time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; a time to rend; and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; a time to love; and a time to hate; a time of war and a time of peace."

Being that God forewarned us of many of life's trials in advance, I don't agree with your opinion that God doesn't care.

Forgiving people when they have done wrong is an important thing; I'm sure you would like it to come back to you when you do wrong to someone (and we all will at some point). Some people you should forgive and put away from you if they are dangerous; some people you can forgive and keep near to you and continue nurturing the relationship. That is your call. Some people, like your chick, you just have to realize that you can't control their actions. If she's pushing you away, you kind of just have to respect that. You don't have to stop loving her, but you should try to heal. She may correct some of her unhealthy self-destructive habits; she may not. Since there is no way to know, you can only do what is best for you, without hanging on to her in your heart. I've been brokenhearted , I understand how incredibly painful it is. I don't want to sound like a cliche, but it honestly did make me a stronger, more self-assured person. I know you don't see that right now, or want to see it. All I can do is support you and give you advice. I can pray for you and I can give you a HUMUNGOUS hug.

*stands on tiptoes to ((((( hug))))) hawkmason*

wow, i can always qoute you because you are always so wise....heheh pancake on a bunny...i love it!

LOL you can't possible argue with the pancake bunny. He knows all

Pancake on a stick is good too. I'm getting kind of hungry.

I am truly sorry that things are going badly for you, but becoming a "jerk" isn't the answer my friend.


Good things happen to bad people. Bad things happen to good people. Bad things happen to bad people and good things happen to good people. Its called life, and IMO, god has nothing to do with it.

What does matter though, is how you handle yourself through adversity. It is easy as pancakes to be helpful, curteous, cheerful and compassionate when things are smooth. But, it is the rocky spots that tests our mettle and ourselves.

And, as bad as you think you have it, there are those immeasurably worse off. I know that you don't want to hear that, and probably what comes next: Sometimes, people like to wallow in their misery and 'cry woe is me'. Thats fine, everyone has an off day.


BUT....... you need to realize a very important fact: You woke up today, thats is an excellent start. And as a wise old soldier once told me: "Every day above ground, is a good one"

Well said, JM

thank you IamsSon.

wise words IamsSon

You are putting a lot of responsibility on god here. Whether you believe in him or not is your business, but...

Something I have learned through the years of having an awful lot go wrong is that I have to look inside myself for the reward, not to any outside force.

When you stopped the fight, how did YOU feel? Did you think it was the right thing to do, or did you just do it because you thought you would get something good from god?

When you gave the money to the charity, how did it make YOU feel? Were you doing it to be kind to the children, or because you thought god might send you a winning lottery ticket?

When you tried to help your ex-girlfriend, was it because you didn't want her to be abused, or because you earn some brownie points with god? (And you know what, as an ex-abused-woman, I want to commend you for trying to get her out of that situation.)

Believing in god because you think he will give you something when you act a certain way is.... weird. I was going to say wrong, but I don't want to knock anyone's beliefs even if they seem that way to me. God, to me, is nothing like a grade school teacher who gives out shiny star stickers when you behave.

You should feel good about YOURSELF. You did some really tough, really GOOD things. Hard decisions. And even harder because they ended up in pretty shabby ways. But you did them, and you should feel good about them.

Just my humble opinion.

True, you always have that choice, but let's see how far you could go with that kind of an attitude without any retaliation from the universe. Every action creates a consequence in this lifetime, or the next ones. It seems to me you just need a massive vacation (for your passionate temperament), or a retreat from your mind-full-ness.

There is pure logic behind this world machinery. And God, Energy, Universe or whatever you want to call IT is "just around the bend." One should always ask one's self: "Am I open to the situation presented in front of me, or am I totally closed off?" If you find yourself closed off, then you better find a way to open yourself up since life is really that short, to begin with. And it's your journey. No one could make that for you, unfortunately. On the other hand, the world is telling you something...

It's always your choice in the end. Then again, everyone is doing the same thing. Eventually, choices clash..., or harmonize with others. "Live and learn," "no pain, no gain (in most cases)," but it's all part of growing up.

Just a thought.

You're not screwed, far away from it. You just need a complete make-over, that's all. The universe is basically shedding the dead weights of your life. Perhaps moving to Cali is not a bad idea after all, hmmm??? But, if you can't see that this is what's happening, then you always have the choice to feel victimized. At any rate, whatever decisions or feelings you have are neither good nor bad. It's where you're at, for now. The world moves on, regardless.

It sounds as if you live an interesting life, and you are trying to do good. Keep it up. If you are genuinely trying to do what you think is best that is the important thing, not necessarily how it turns out or even how people respond.

Remember the old quote. "All that is necessary for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing."

Whether you receive physical or emotional rewards or punishments for your deed is really irrelevant; it is the character and self respect you are building in yourself that counts in the long run. Gee I sound a lot like my father talking to me in the mid 1900's, but after more than half a century I can assure you that he was correct.
On the other hand you do have to be aware that the failings in others will sometimes let you down. Taken on face value, your stories indicate problems with other people and quite possibly poor judgements on their parts. Allow for the fact that people are not perfect, but you may often have to choose whether to do what is popular, or what is right. (more words of wisdom from my old man)

Do what you feel is the right thing to do.

If you had the chance would you undo the good you did? Do you truely regret your good deeds?

Well it sounds like you've been through alot. You're not being punished for being a nice guy, but the only thing I can suggest is talk to God about all of this. No, I mean REALLY talk to God, not just saying Our Father's, really tell him what's wrong and see what happens.