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nn23
QUOTE(Michaelbuble @ Mar 31 2007, 07:47 AM) [snapback]1607166[/snapback]
I do not think that the state ought to have the right to determine historical truth and to punish people who deviate from that truth. I'm not willing to give the state that right [...]. If you believe in freedom of speech you believe in freedom of speech for views you don't like. Göbbels was in favour of freedom of speech for views he liked.. so was Stalin. [...] If you are in favour of freedom of speech, that means you are in favour of freedom of speech precisely for views you despise - otherwise you're not in favour of freedom of speech.

- Noam Chomsky

So basically what I'm saying is your not going to persuade him to think differently by calling him names. I personally think it happened and it wasn't a good thing, but to be jailed if you even question whether it happened or not is scary. I actually think we fought a whole war against people that did that type of stuff...what were they called? Oh right, Nazi's.

linked-imageHA HAAA, this is GREAT (Greatness bearing no relation to what happened during the war!)! I couldnt have put it better myself! I only wish that i had had the courage to present my point with the same distinction as yourself Michaelbuble thumbsup.gif

QUOTE(Ryo Ohki @ Mar 31 2007, 06:37 PM) [snapback]1607608[/snapback]
I heard on tv Hitler got the blue eyes blond hair thing from Madame Blavatsky.

Yes, all of these points do actually take the whole debate in a very interesting direction. As for my same question which i have been posting, and posting again ha haaaa rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(nn23 @ Mar 29 2007, 04:45 PM) [snapback]1604801[/snapback]
hmmm, does anyone here wonder/ care to explore/ know any of the details of what actually inspired and influenced Hitler's ideas for the holocaust and super race? Its quite interesting.

Here is an article i found which notes how some of Hitlers motivations may have been influenced by the Worldwide social advancements of the time. In presenting this i am in no way condoning mass genocide by Hitler or anybody else. I just feel that this is a horrific and overlooked issue that took place throughout the 20th century all over the world aswell as being assimilated into Hitlers plans and actions.

http://www.waragainsttheweak.com/offSiteAr....com/index.html


regards thumbsup.gif
nn23








jaylemurph
QUOTE(Michaelbuble @ Mar 31 2007, 02:08 PM) [snapback]1607636[/snapback]
If you're so certain it happened, then why do you care if other people believe it did or not? You can tell someone you think they are wrong if they deny it, but when you start jailing people for saying it we might as well have lost the war.

Really, the only difference would be instead of being told by the far right what we can/cannot say we are being told by the far left what we can/cannot say.


I care because it was the greatest human rights abuse in modern times. To say it didn't happen or that it "wasn't as bad as bad as all that" is deny the very nature of its tragedy, and to tacitly approve it.
It is to spit in the face of the people who went through it who are still alive.

I'm not saying people who deny the holocaust should be jailed -- just mocked and scorned. Freedom of speech has never meant freedom from criticism.
(I wouldn't /not/ mock Flat-Earthers, either.)

--Jaylemurph
Kalien
QUOTE(Luminary @ Mar 30 2007, 03:45 PM) [snapback]1606766[/snapback]
The winners of war always write the history and they always bias it tremendously. There was no such thing as a holocaust and millions of Jews were never killed and it is a lie created to deflect attention away from the fact that they took over Israel by means of murdering innocent people. Why else are there laws protecting the holocaust from even being questioned? Why is it the ONLY historical event which is literally illegal to even question? All throughout history it has been clearly shown that only lies need to be protected. Do your own research and never take your information on a spoon from someone elses hand.



It obviously happened, if anything they might have exaggerated the amount of people who died (doubt it) but it did happen. I think it is silly how horrified people are over it, yes it was bad but lots of horrible crimes have been committed against other countries and races and you hardly hear about that. All you seem to hear about is slavery and Nazi's wink2.gif I don't think America, the Spanish, etc feel guilty enough for what they did to my ancestors and the other people through out this continent.

In before I get flamed ^_~
blueboy
would you remember a rapist for giving you a candy bar, (sweet)?
blueboy
QUOTE(Kaylee @ Apr 1 2007, 08:21 AM) [snapback]1608379[/snapback]
It obviously happened, if anything they might have exaggerated the amount of people who died (doubt it) but it did happen. I think it is silly how horrified people are over it, yes it was bad but lots of horrible crimes have been committed against other countries and races and you hardly hear about that. All you seem to hear about is slavery and Nazi's wink2.gif I don't think America, the Spanish, etc feel guilty enough for what they did to my ancestors and the other people through out this continent.

In before I get flamed ^_~


The american nation in the early days lived in bigotted ignorance, like the rest of the western world. The difference with the Nazi's was, it was 'informed bigotted ignorance.
Kalien
QUOTE(blueboy @ Mar 31 2007, 11:40 PM) [snapback]1608389[/snapback]
The american nation in the early days lived in bigotted ignorance, like the rest of the western world. The difference with the Nazi's was, it was 'informed bigotted ignorance.



The difference were the numbers right? That doesn't excuse what happened you know, it is just as bad.
blueboy
Man Can? I take it that's a wind up. blink.gif If Hitler just weilded his stick, and not used it, his third Reich may well have lasted a thousand years, but he, along with his embittered nation could not wait to wreak vengeance on anyone who they thought had brought them to their knees since the end of WW1. We must think however, instead of 5 years war, there may have followed ten or twenty years of peace, where evil would have developed, along with the H bomb, until Hitlers 'realiy' was rammed down the throats of a fearful and cowed world.
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