I'm watching... Decoding the Past (vampire secrets) on the discovery channel... and they briefly mentioned that early Christians may have been vampires... because of taking communion...
then they say Jesus was a vampire...
lol... that has to be the most rediculous thing i've ever heard...
they mention it for a second and just continue like they didn't even say it... lol... i was sitting here waiting for them to explain what they mean by Jesus was a vampire... but nothing... lol...
Full Version: Does This Sound Rediculous To Anyone Else
Isn't that on the history channel? That sounds exactly like something that would air on the history channel.
Maybe kicking nonmembers out of the church before the Eucharist wasn't such a bad idea.
Maybe kicking nonmembers out of the church before the Eucharist wasn't such a bad idea.
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Mar 29 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1605662[/snapback]
I'm watching... Decoding the Past (vampire secrets) on the discovery channel... and they briefly mentioned that early Christians may have been vampires... because of taking communion...
then they say Jesus was a vampire...
lol... that has to be the most rediculous thing i've ever heard...
they mention it for a second and just continue like they didn't even say it... lol... i was sitting here waiting for them to explain what they mean by Jesus was a vampire... but nothing... lol...
then they say Jesus was a vampire...
lol... that has to be the most rediculous thing i've ever heard...
they mention it for a second and just continue like they didn't even say it... lol... i was sitting here waiting for them to explain what they mean by Jesus was a vampire... but nothing... lol...
It's a theory. I've heard it to. Mainly because when Jesus says at the last supper about the wine being his blood and bread being his body. So drink his blood in sense.
Though if you take communion and eat your cracker, you're practicing ritual cannibalism.
you said cracker lol
Why is it ridiculous? "Drink my blood". This is one of the many proofs that the n.t. was not written by Jews, who were forbidden by God to drink blood! If Jesus had said that at a real Passover Seder, the others would have run away screaming. Encourages blood drinking, comes back from the dead-i would run and hide from that guy!
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Mar 30 2007, 01:21 PM) [snapback]1606057[/snapback]
Why is it ridiculous? "Drink my blood". This is one of the many proofs that the n.t. was not written by Jews, who were forbidden by God to drink blood! If Jesus had said that at a real Passover Seder, the others would have run away screaming. Encourages blood drinking, comes back from the dead-i would run and hide from that guy!
Freakin sweet...That answers the resurrection!!!!....he was a vampire!!....christianity has a rude awakening coming now
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Mar 30 2007, 06:21 AM) [snapback]1606057[/snapback]
Why is it ridiculous? "Drink my blood". This is one of the many proofs that the n.t. was not written by Jews, who were forbidden by God to drink blood! If Jesus had said that at a real Passover Seder, the others would have run away screaming. Encourages blood drinking, comes back from the dead-i would run and hide from that guy!
actually... that's not proof... Jesus said it symbolically... that's why He handed them wine and not a cup of His blood...
it doesn't encourage blood drinking... i've NEVER met a single religious person besides catholics.... that think they are really drinking blood... lol...
He said... do this to remember the blood that is spilled for you and my body that is broken for you....
there is ABSOLUTELY no cannabalism insisted... but i guess that's what you see when you don't know the first thing about symbolism...
lol at this topic.
The last supper was just an imitation of Mithra. Mithra worshippers had performed the bread and wine ritual for centuries before jesus was even born. Mithra also held the ritual by saying his bread was his flesh and the wine his blood, to his twelve apostles. Ironically the early church fathers (I forget their names) demeaned Mithra worsippers actually doing this centuries before, by saying the Devil had copied jesus' last supper.
...before it ever even happened.
Although, it may not have even happened, at all. Scholars suggest it was added into the bible at a later date, which can help explain why they are two versions of it - Mark Luke and Mathew's versions are different to Johns version.
But yeah, it had been practised for over 4000 years, that's a lot of vampires!
...before it ever even happened.
Although, it may not have even happened, at all. Scholars suggest it was added into the bible at a later date, which can help explain why they are two versions of it - Mark Luke and Mathew's versions are different to Johns version.
But yeah, it had been practised for over 4000 years, that's a lot of vampires!
actually the mithra theory was created by Achyra S and had some other non scholars freke and gandy. I believe Cumont was the originator of the Jesus myths but most of the information was created post-christianity so it would actually be copied from christianity.
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Mar 30 2007, 07:33 AM) [snapback]1606142[/snapback]
there is ABSOLUTELY no cannabalism insisted... but i guess that's what you see when you don't know the first thing about symbolism...
Perhaps you're missing something.
Pretend this potato chip is my body and this hawaiian punch is my blood. Now consume them both while pretending that you're actually consuming my real body and real blood.
If you can't tell that this has something to do with cannibalism then I don't know what to tell you.
QUOTE(hairston630 @ Mar 30 2007, 04:05 PM) [snapback]1606179[/snapback]
actually the mithra theory was created by Achyra S and had some other non scholars freke and gandy. I believe Cumont was the originator of the Jesus myths but most of the information was created post-christianity so it would actually be copied from christianity.
so millions of Persians worshipping Mithra the sun god, following an organised religion centuries before jesus and the bible, was just a lie and copied from a book not even created yet... Wow... just... wow, Somebody should have told those Persians they were not really worshipping anything.
QUOTE(Leliel @ Mar 30 2007, 08:21 AM) [snapback]1606206[/snapback]
so millions of Persians worshipping Mithra the sun god, following an organised religion centuries before jesus and the bible, was just a lie and copied from a book not even created yet... Wow... just... wow, Somebody should have told those Persians they were not really worshipping anything.
I hate Persians!
THIS! IS! SPARTA!!!!!
QUOTE(Leliel @ Mar 30 2007, 03:21 PM) [snapback]1606206[/snapback]
so millions of Persians worshipping Mithra the sun god, following an organised religion centuries before jesus and the bible, was just a lie and copied from a book not even created yet... Wow... just... wow, Somebody should have told those Persians they were not really worshipping anything.
actually what im referring too are the theories that christianity stole from other pagan religions. The theories started after christianity. I strongly believe that mithra was a religion in that time but the things that christ bashers come up with to degrade christianity have been add libbed to the pagan religions to make it sound like they are copying. Not true but like I said, I do believe that these religions existed. There is really only one thing that I question from another religion and that is the story of the sumerians I believe which is VERY old with the account of the story of a man that was EXACTLY like noah's ark. That is really the only question I have from another religion, though scholars say they arent comparible I DO in fact see an almost EXACT representation of noahs ark from another religion. Some scholars try and conclude that it was an account that was witnessed by another individual and presented along with his belief systems (whatever the sumerian religion is) and that was a confirmation of the bible. Could that be the case or could this actually have been a copy from the sumerians? *shrugs*..beats me
QUOTE(hairston630 @ Mar 30 2007, 04:45 PM) [snapback]1606246[/snapback]
what that site is basically saying - extremely biased at that - is that all religions before the bible, stole from the bible. Now that's a whole brain twister for you there. Also, if a site only has sources used from other same-religious sites, with no actual scientific, historical evidence, then you should just dismiss that site - the only sources not of christian beleif was Osiris and a site that I'm not to sure about. Infact the bible did take things from other religions, as what better way to enforce a new religion than make it familier to others of that time (think Scientology, Pastafarians). The "last supper" estque had been practised for centuries and centuries before jesus was even around, and it's noted by scholars that it had been added at a later date after the bible was written.
Here is a non-biased site based on evidence via scientists, theologians, historians, archaeologists. http://www.exitmundi.nl/bible/
But anyway, I don't wanna derail the thread any further
QUOTE(Leliel @ Mar 30 2007, 04:12 PM) [snapback]1606282[/snapback]
what that site is basically saying - extremely biased at that - is that all religions before the bible, stole from the bible. Now that's a whole brain twister for you there. Also, if a site only has sources used from other same-religious sites, with no actual scientific, historical evidence, then you should just dismiss that site - the only sources not of christian beleif was Osiris and a site that I'm not to sure about. Infact the bible did take things from other religions, as what better way to enforce a new religion than make it familier to others of that time (think Scientology, Pastafarians). The "last supper" estque had been practised for centuries and centuries before jesus was even around, and it's noted by scholars that it had been added at a later date after the bible was written.
Here is a non-biased site based on evidence via scientists, theologians, historians, archaeologists. http://www.exitmundi.nl/bible/
But anyway, I don't wanna derail the thread any further
Here is a non-biased site based on evidence via scientists, theologians, historians, archaeologists. http://www.exitmundi.nl/bible/
But anyway, I don't wanna derail the thread any further
Excellent example of 2 sides to a story....well known scholars alot of the time disagree with other well known scholars
.....but like you said lets not derail this....maybe in another thread though 
QUOTE(hairston630 @ Mar 30 2007, 08:45 AM) [snapback]1606246[/snapback]
In all seriousness, it's plain history that modern Christianity was and is influenced by paganism. Constantine held the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. in order to mix paganism and the followers of Christ. That's where communion came in, the celebration of pagan holy days (come on, Easter? it's about the fertility goddess not Jesus and a bunny), and the Roman Catholic Church.
Christianity is diluted with the very things it claims to be against.
Christmas: The celebration of the winter solstice. In Mithraism, they would slaughter a bull on this day in worship of the sun. In Greece, everyone would get naked and **** anything that moved.
Even the modern church isn't in the bible. No where in the bible does it talk about an establishment where you go to worship and pay the leader's paycheck. Christianity got this from the Greeks.
In Hebrews, when it talks about "...and do not forget the assemblies..", it's not talking about church. It's talking about the feasts (Passover, Tabernacles, etc...). The word church shouldn't even be in the Bible. It's mistranslated from the word "ecclesia", which means assembly. It's not the first time the Bible was translated to fit the belief systems of those translating it. The word "church" wasn't created until years after Christ's death. It came from the Germanic word "kirika"...which means "circle" lol. This, sadly, eventually replaced "ecclesia".
Christianity is a long, long ways away from their book.
QUOTE(Vague @ Mar 30 2007, 08:08 AM) [snapback]1606184[/snapback]
Perhaps you're missing something.
Pretend this potato chip is my body and this hawaiian punch is my blood. Now consume them both while pretending that you're actually consuming my real body and real blood.
If you can't tell that this has something to do with cannibalism then I don't know what to tell you.
Pretend this potato chip is my body and this hawaiian punch is my blood. Now consume them both while pretending that you're actually consuming my real body and real blood.
If you can't tell that this has something to do with cannibalism then I don't know what to tell you.
He never said pretend this is my real blood or body... again... the only people i know of that believe that are SOME Catholics...
others do it in rememberance of His sacrifice...
maybe you should actually read it before you quote it...
Well, honestly.. the discovery channel is a great channel when it sticks to the fact but when it gets into the paranormal it just crashes and burns. Kind of like the grossly fabricated and exaggerated "a haunting" show.
But, that being said.. there is a point to the fact that almost every church still does a weekly ritual symbolizing eating flesh and drinking blood to this day. Maybe it's symbolizing Jesus' body.. that doesn't mean you need to even symbolically eat someone's body to remember them.
And it never even RECOMMENDED communion to churches in the Bible.. geeze..
But, that being said.. there is a point to the fact that almost every church still does a weekly ritual symbolizing eating flesh and drinking blood to this day. Maybe it's symbolizing Jesus' body.. that doesn't mean you need to even symbolically eat someone's body to remember them.
And it never even RECOMMENDED communion to churches in the Bible.. geeze..
QUOTE(Leliel @ Mar 30 2007, 04:12 PM) [snapback]1606282[/snapback]
what that site is basically saying - extremely biased at that - is that all religions before the bible, stole from the bible. Now that's a whole brain twister for you there. Also, if a site only has sources used from other same-religious sites, with no actual scientific, historical evidence, then you should just dismiss that site - the only sources not of christian beleif was Osiris and a site that I'm not to sure about. Infact the bible did take things from other religions, as what better way to enforce a new religion than make it familier to others of that time (think Scientology, Pastafarians). The "last supper" estque had been practised for centuries and centuries before jesus was even around, and it's noted by scholars that it had been added at a later date after the bible was written.
Here is a non-biased site based on evidence via scientists, theologians, historians, archaeologists. http://www.exitmundi.nl/bible/
But anyway, I don't wanna derail the thread any further
Here is a non-biased site based on evidence via scientists, theologians, historians, archaeologists. http://www.exitmundi.nl/bible/
But anyway, I don't wanna derail the thread any further
wow i just looked at that site. They seem to have alot of one sided articles and alot of it isnt even accurate. I like how they tried to tackle the genesis issue...that was rather amusing.
QUOTE(Vague @ Mar 30 2007, 09:35 AM) [snapback]1606306[/snapback]
In all seriousness, it's plain history that modern Christianity was and is influenced by paganism. Constantine held the Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. in order to mix paganism and the followers of Christ. That's where communion came in, the celebration of pagan holy days (come on, Easter? it's about the fertility goddess not Jesus and a bunny), and the Roman Catholic Church.
Christianity is diluted with the very things it claims to be against.
Christmas: The celebration of the winter solstice. In Mithraism, they would slaughter a bull on this day in worship of the sun. In Greece, everyone would get naked and **** anything that moved.
Even the modern church isn't in the bible. No where in the bible does it talk about an establishment where you go to worship and pay the leader's paycheck. Christianity got this from the Greeks.
In Hebrews, when it talks about "...and do not forget the assemblies..", it's not talking about church. It's talking about the feasts (Passover, Tabernacles, etc...). The word church shouldn't even be in the Bible. It's mistranslated from the word "ecclesia", which means assembly. It's not the first time the Bible was translated to fit the belief systems of those translating it. The word "church" wasn't created until years after Christ's death. It came from the Germanic word "kirika"...which means "circle" lol. This, sadly, eventually replaced "ecclesia".
Christianity is a long, long ways away from their book.
Christianity is diluted with the very things it claims to be against.
Christmas: The celebration of the winter solstice. In Mithraism, they would slaughter a bull on this day in worship of the sun. In Greece, everyone would get naked and **** anything that moved.
Even the modern church isn't in the bible. No where in the bible does it talk about an establishment where you go to worship and pay the leader's paycheck. Christianity got this from the Greeks.
In Hebrews, when it talks about "...and do not forget the assemblies..", it's not talking about church. It's talking about the feasts (Passover, Tabernacles, etc...). The word church shouldn't even be in the Bible. It's mistranslated from the word "ecclesia", which means assembly. It's not the first time the Bible was translated to fit the belief systems of those translating it. The word "church" wasn't created until years after Christ's death. It came from the Germanic word "kirika"...which means "circle" lol. This, sadly, eventually replaced "ecclesia".
Christianity is a long, long ways away from their book.
not all Christians follow the teachings of Catholics...
i for one don't celebrate most holidays... because i know the history... as you said... i'm not a Jehova witness either...
as far as the constant argument about words that existed... who cares? new words are created every day... assembly/church it all means the same... church doesn't only mean a building that you go to on sunday... it's actually the body of all believers as a whole...
the word bling didn't exist ten years ago... and rachael ray says EVOO which is now in the dictionary... i agree that words do lose some meaning in translation... but whether or not the word existed at the time has absolutely nothing to do with anything...
QUOTE(KBA @ Mar 30 2007, 09:44 AM) [snapback]1606323[/snapback]
Well, honestly.. the discovery channel is a great channel when it sticks to the fact but when it gets into the paranormal it just crashes and burns. Kind of like the grossly fabricated and exaggerated "a haunting" show.
But, that being said.. there is a point to the fact that almost every church still does a weekly ritual symbolizing eating flesh and drinking blood to this day. Maybe it's symbolizing Jesus' body.. that doesn't mean you need to even symbolically eat someone's body to remember them.
And it never even RECOMMENDED communion to churches in the Bible.. geeze..
But, that being said.. there is a point to the fact that almost every church still does a weekly ritual symbolizing eating flesh and drinking blood to this day. Maybe it's symbolizing Jesus' body.. that doesn't mean you need to even symbolically eat someone's body to remember them.
And it never even RECOMMENDED communion to churches in the Bible.. geeze..
actually Jesus said... "as often as you do it... do it in rememberance of me"
it's not an order... it's just that if you choose to do it... remember what Jesus did... again it has absolutely NOTHING to do with eating flesh or drinking blood...
a few years ago... they had that... this is your brain... and showed an egg...
then they said... this is your brain on drugs and dropped it into a frying pan...
does that mean everytime we eat eggs that we are symbolizing eating our brains?
There is no real biblical basis to continue to partake in what we today call the "Lord's Supper", and even were it to be so, the way it is done is completely different to how it was done back then. It shouldn't be a ritualistic addition to a church service, but something you do before eating.
That said, the theological context of the Lord's Supper is of no issue in my answer, I was just pointing this out for a bit of background information. What is important is that the doctrine of Transubstantiation (the wine and bread mystically turning into blood and flesh) is a Catholic doctrine taht has no basis in the Bible and is rejected by most Protestants and other non-denominational Christians. Both the taking of the bread and wine are done "in remembrance of me" (not me as in PA, Jesus was speaking, referring to himself). It was a symbolic reminder to the apostles of Jesus' life on earth and, considering the events of the next day which led to Jesus' crucifixion, one could argue successfully that it should be taken in remembrance of his death.
There is no indication of ritual canibalism, except in certain denominations that believe in Transubstantiation. Vampires, highly unlikely. Maybe vampirism came from the Mayan civilization, which was also quite violent in many of its rituals, which actually did involve blood, human flesh, human sacrifices.
~ PA
That said, the theological context of the Lord's Supper is of no issue in my answer, I was just pointing this out for a bit of background information. What is important is that the doctrine of Transubstantiation (the wine and bread mystically turning into blood and flesh) is a Catholic doctrine taht has no basis in the Bible and is rejected by most Protestants and other non-denominational Christians. Both the taking of the bread and wine are done "in remembrance of me" (not me as in PA, Jesus was speaking, referring to himself). It was a symbolic reminder to the apostles of Jesus' life on earth and, considering the events of the next day which led to Jesus' crucifixion, one could argue successfully that it should be taken in remembrance of his death.
There is no indication of ritual canibalism, except in certain denominations that believe in Transubstantiation. Vampires, highly unlikely. Maybe vampirism came from the Mayan civilization, which was also quite violent in many of its rituals, which actually did involve blood, human flesh, human sacrifices.
~ PA
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Mar 30 2007, 04:52 PM) [snapback]1606338[/snapback]
actually Jesus said... "as often as you do it... do it in rememberance of me"
it's not an order... it's just that if you choose to do it... remember what Jesus did... again it has absolutely NOTHING to do with eating flesh or drinking blood...
a few years ago... they had that... this is your brain... and showed an egg...
then they said... this is your brain on drugs and dropped it into a frying pan...
does that mean everytime we eat eggs that we are symbolizing eating our brains?
it's not an order... it's just that if you choose to do it... remember what Jesus did... again it has absolutely NOTHING to do with eating flesh or drinking blood...
a few years ago... they had that... this is your brain... and showed an egg...
then they said... this is your brain on drugs and dropped it into a frying pan...
does that mean everytime we eat eggs that we are symbolizing eating our brains?
Uh.. no, but that's something different. they were symbolizing "frying your brain" so to speak.. this is symbolizing something different. Jesus is literally going: "Think of this as my flesh, think of this as my blood, now eat and drink them". And it would mean that every time we eat eggs, we are symbolizing our brains IF we were eating eggs as a result of seeing that commercial and thinking "hey, they said eggs are like brains! I'll eat some brains!"
QUOTE(KBA @ Mar 30 2007, 11:58 AM) [snapback]1606351[/snapback]
Uh.. no, but that's something different. they were symbolizing "frying your brain" so to speak.. this is symbolizing something different. Jesus is literally going: "Think of this as my flesh, think of this as my blood, now eat and drink them". And it would mean that every time we eat eggs, we are symbolizing our brains IF we were eating eggs as a result of seeing that commercial and thinking "hey, they said eggs are like brains! I'll eat some brains!"
Brain is actually rather good, fries up kinda' like bacon..
QUOTE(Dr. Strangelove @ Mar 30 2007, 05:01 PM) [snapback]1606358[/snapback]
Brain is actually rather good, fries up kinda' like bacon..
mmm squirell brains
I think people need to read up on the pagan rituals that were incorporated into the Christian holidays when the Roman Calendar was introduced.
Most modern Christians REJECT the Catholic church because of this confusion.
Christmas tree......pagan
Easter bunny....pagan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
http://www.ipagan.net/modules.php?op=modlo...cle&sid=569
Most modern Christians REJECT the Catholic church because of this confusion.
Christmas tree......pagan
Easter bunny....pagan
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Saturnalia
Alleged representation of Christ in the form of the sun-god Helios or Sol Invictus riding in his chariot. Third century mosaic of the Vatican grottoes under St. Peter's Basilica, on the ceiling of the tomb of the Julii.
Alleged representation of Christ in the form of the sun-god Helios or Sol Invictus riding in his chariot. Third century mosaic of the Vatican grottoes under St. Peter's Basilica, on the ceiling of the tomb of the Julii.
Main article: Saturnalia
In Roman times, the best-known winter festival was Saturnalia, which was popular throughout Italy. Saturnalia was a time of general relaxation, feasting, merry-making, and a cessation of formal rules. Holly was also considered the key symbolic plant of the god Saturn and festival. It included the making and giving of small presents (Saturnalia et Sigillaricia), including small dolls for children and candles for adults.[7] During Saturnalia, business was postponed and even slaves feasted. There was drinking, gambling, and singing, and even public nudity. It was the "best of days," according to the poet Catullus.[8] Saturnalia honored the god Saturn and began on December 17. The festival gradually lengthened until the late Republican period, when it was seven days (December 17-23). In imperial times, Saturnalia was shortened to five days.[9]
[edit] Natalis Solis Invicti
Main article: Sol Invictus
The Romans held a festival on December 25 called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, "the birthday of the unconquered sun." The use of the title Sol Invictus allowed several solar deities to be worshipped collectively, including Elah-Gabal, a Syrian sun god; Sol, the god of Emperor Aurelian (AD 270-274); and Mithras, a soldiers' god of Persian origin.[10] Emperor Elagabalus (218-222) introduced the festival, and it reached the height of its popularity under Aurelian, who promoted it as an empire-wide holiday.[11]
December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma.[7] It was therefore the day the Sun proved itself to be "unconquered" despite the shortening of daylight hours. (When Julius Caesar introduced the Julian Calendar in 45 BC, December 25 was approximately the date of the solstice. In modern times, the solstice falls on December 21 or 22.) The Sol Invictus festival has a "strong claim on the responsibility" for the date of Christmas, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia.[2] Solar symbolism was popular with early Christian writers[12] as Jesus was considered to be the "sun of righteousness."[13]
Alleged representation of Christ in the form of the sun-god Helios or Sol Invictus riding in his chariot. Third century mosaic of the Vatican grottoes under St. Peter's Basilica, on the ceiling of the tomb of the Julii.
Alleged representation of Christ in the form of the sun-god Helios or Sol Invictus riding in his chariot. Third century mosaic of the Vatican grottoes under St. Peter's Basilica, on the ceiling of the tomb of the Julii.
Main article: Saturnalia
In Roman times, the best-known winter festival was Saturnalia, which was popular throughout Italy. Saturnalia was a time of general relaxation, feasting, merry-making, and a cessation of formal rules. Holly was also considered the key symbolic plant of the god Saturn and festival. It included the making and giving of small presents (Saturnalia et Sigillaricia), including small dolls for children and candles for adults.[7] During Saturnalia, business was postponed and even slaves feasted. There was drinking, gambling, and singing, and even public nudity. It was the "best of days," according to the poet Catullus.[8] Saturnalia honored the god Saturn and began on December 17. The festival gradually lengthened until the late Republican period, when it was seven days (December 17-23). In imperial times, Saturnalia was shortened to five days.[9]
[edit] Natalis Solis Invicti
Main article: Sol Invictus
The Romans held a festival on December 25 called Dies Natalis Solis Invicti, "the birthday of the unconquered sun." The use of the title Sol Invictus allowed several solar deities to be worshipped collectively, including Elah-Gabal, a Syrian sun god; Sol, the god of Emperor Aurelian (AD 270-274); and Mithras, a soldiers' god of Persian origin.[10] Emperor Elagabalus (218-222) introduced the festival, and it reached the height of its popularity under Aurelian, who promoted it as an empire-wide holiday.[11]
December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma.[7] It was therefore the day the Sun proved itself to be "unconquered" despite the shortening of daylight hours. (When Julius Caesar introduced the Julian Calendar in 45 BC, December 25 was approximately the date of the solstice. In modern times, the solstice falls on December 21 or 22.) The Sol Invictus festival has a "strong claim on the responsibility" for the date of Christmas, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia.[2] Solar symbolism was popular with early Christian writers[12] as Jesus was considered to be the "sun of righteousness."[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas
http://www.ipagan.net/modules.php?op=modlo...cle&sid=569
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Mar 30 2007, 09:55 AM) [snapback]1606344[/snapback]
There is no real biblical basis to continue to partake in what we today call the "Lord's Supper", and even were it to be so, the way it is done is completely different to how it was done back then. It shouldn't be a ritualistic addition to a church service, but something you do before eating.
That said, the theological context of the Lord's Supper is of no issue in my answer, I was just pointing this out for a bit of background information. What is important is that the doctrine of Transubstantiation (the wine and bread mystically turning into blood and flesh) is a Catholic doctrine taht has no basis in the Bible and is rejected by most Protestants and other non-denominational Christians. Both the taking of the bread and wine are done "in remembrance of me" (not me as in PA, Jesus was speaking, referring to himself). It was a symbolic reminder to the apostles of Jesus' life on earth and, considering the events of the next day which led to Jesus' crucifixion, one could argue successfully that it should be taken in remembrance of his death.
There is no indication of ritual canibalism, except in certain denominations that believe in Transubstantiation. Vampires, highly unlikely. Maybe vampirism came from the Mayan civilization, which was also quite violent in many of its rituals, which actually did involve blood, human flesh, human sacrifices.
~ PA
That said, the theological context of the Lord's Supper is of no issue in my answer, I was just pointing this out for a bit of background information. What is important is that the doctrine of Transubstantiation (the wine and bread mystically turning into blood and flesh) is a Catholic doctrine taht has no basis in the Bible and is rejected by most Protestants and other non-denominational Christians. Both the taking of the bread and wine are done "in remembrance of me" (not me as in PA, Jesus was speaking, referring to himself). It was a symbolic reminder to the apostles of Jesus' life on earth and, considering the events of the next day which led to Jesus' crucifixion, one could argue successfully that it should be taken in remembrance of his death.
There is no indication of ritual canibalism, except in certain denominations that believe in Transubstantiation. Vampires, highly unlikely. Maybe vampirism came from the Mayan civilization, which was also quite violent in many of its rituals, which actually did involve blood, human flesh, human sacrifices.
~ PA
somebody buy this guy a drink... right on the money again... maybe i should have said it like that... lol...
QUOTE(KBA @ Mar 30 2007, 09:58 AM) [snapback]1606351[/snapback]
Uh.. no, but that's something different. they were symbolizing "frying your brain" so to speak.. this is symbolizing something different. Jesus is literally going: "Think of this as my flesh, think of this as my blood, now eat and drink them". And it would mean that every time we eat eggs, we are symbolizing our brains IF we were eating eggs as a result of seeing that commercial and thinking "hey, they said eggs are like brains! I'll eat some brains!"
actually there ISN"T a difference... they said... "this is your brain... this is your brain on drugs... any questions?"
they told you what it was.... no questions... no alternative explanations... but nobody is dumb enough to think we are eating brains...
Jesus said... do this in rememberance of me...
as PA and I have both said... that is a Catholic tradition... and not one Christian that isn't Catholic thinks they are eating or drinking blood... again... maybe you should read it...
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actually there ISN"T a difference... they said... "this is your brain... this is your brain on drugs... any questions?"
they told you what it was.... no questions... no alternative explanations... but nobody is dumb enough to think we are eating brains...
Jesus said... do this in rememberance of me...
as PA and I have both said... that is a Catholic tradition... and not one Christian that isn't Catholic thinks they are eating or drinking blood... again... maybe you should read it...
they told you what it was.... no questions... no alternative explanations... but nobody is dumb enough to think we are eating brains...
Jesus said... do this in rememberance of me...
as PA and I have both said... that is a Catholic tradition... and not one Christian that isn't Catholic thinks they are eating or drinking blood... again... maybe you should read it...
omg we have read it. I'm not saying that the majority of Christians believe that the grape juice and crackers actually turn into the true body of Christ. The idea of consuming another person's flesh and blood IS cannibalistic. You can't keep denying that.
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omg we have read it. I'm not saying that the majority of Christians believe that the grape juice and crackers actually turn into the true body of Christ. The idea of consuming another person's flesh and blood IS cannibalistic. You can't keep denying that.
i never said that the idea of it wasn't... i'm just saying that Jesus never presented it that way...
I'll throw a name out there, not that many, if any, will read him. Ignatius of Antioch, a bishop of the 1st and 2nd centuries, wrote several letters on his way to Rome to be killed. There are seven of them, and they are all fairly short.
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I'm watching... Decoding the Past (vampire secrets) on the discovery channel... and they briefly mentioned that early Christians may have been vampires... because of taking communion...
then they say Jesus was a vampire...
lol... that has to be the most rediculous thing i've ever heard...
they mention it for a second and just continue like they didn't even say it... lol... i was sitting here waiting for them to explain what they mean by Jesus was a vampire... but nothing... lol...
then they say Jesus was a vampire...
lol... that has to be the most rediculous thing i've ever heard...
they mention it for a second and just continue like they didn't even say it... lol... i was sitting here waiting for them to explain what they mean by Jesus was a vampire... but nothing... lol...
Dumbest thing I ever heard...who the f00k came up with this nonsence??
Ok granted I don't belive in bible stoies but gee wizz VAMPIRES WTF??
If South Park gets wind of this LMAO..can you imagine what they would do with it LMAO
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Dumbest thing I ever heard...who the f00k came up with this nonsence??
Ok granted I don't belive in bible stoies but gee wizz VAMPIRES WTF??
If South Park gets wind of this LMAO..can you imagine what they would do with it LMAO
Ok granted I don't belive in bible stoies but gee wizz VAMPIRES WTF??
If South Park gets wind of this LMAO..can you imagine what they would do with it LMAO
I wonder what would have happened if this was posted in Cryptozoology.
Who knows how many similarities we can find.
Jesus walking on water=Vampire float power hehe
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Mar 30 2007, 03:11 PM) [snapback]1606563[/snapback]
Dumbest thing I ever heard...who the f00k came up with this nonsence??
Ok granted I don't belive in bible stoies but gee wizz VAMPIRES WTF??
If South Park gets wind of this LMAO..can you imagine what they would do with it LMAO
Ok granted I don't belive in bible stoies but gee wizz VAMPIRES WTF??
If South Park gets wind of this LMAO..can you imagine what they would do with it LMAO
Well, lets look at the biblical evidence!
Drank "blood"(suposedly)
Could walk(read as: float) over water
Rose from the dead
Appeared to be unusually white for someone who lived in the middle-east(I know, I know...shut up, this is fun)
Yep, vampirish at least!
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I want to be a christian now..
Many people thought early christians were cannibalistic because of the communion references to flesh and blood. Years ago someone wrote a book about christ and his vampirism. "The Last Days of Christ the Vampire" by J.G. Eccarius. And there's even a Christ the Vampire, comic. Must be trendy. 
Matthew 26:26-28 KJV
26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
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