With humanity coming up fast on 2012, publishers are helping readers gear up and count down to this mysterious — some even call it apocalyptic — date that ancient Mayan societies were anticipating thousands of years ago. Since November, at least three new books on 2012 have arrived in mainstream bookstores. A fourth is due this fall. Each arrives in the wake of the 2006 success of 2012: The Return of Quetzalcoatl, which has been selling thousands of copies a month since its release in May and counts more than 40,000 in print. The books also build on popular interest in the Maya, fueled in part by Mel Gibson's December 2006 film about Mayan civilization, Apocalpyto. Authors disagree about what humankind should expect on Dec. 21, 2012, when the Maya's "Long Count" calendar marks the end of a 5,126-year era. Journalist Lawrence Joseph forecasts widespread catastrophe in Apocalypse 2012: A Scientific Investigation Into Civilization's End. Spiritual healer Andrew Smith predicts a restoration of a "true balance between Divine Feminine and Masculine" in The Revolution of 2012: Vol. 1, The Preparation.

In 2012, Daniel Pinchbeck anticipates a "change in the nature of consciousness," assisted by indigenous insights and psychedelic drug use.The buildup to 2012 echoes excitement and fear expressed on the eve of the new millennium, popularly known as Y2K, though on a smaller scale, says Lynn Garrett, senior religion editor at Publishers Weekly. She says publishers seem to be courting readers who believe humanity is creating its own ecological disasters and desperately needs ancient indigenous wisdom.

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Hmmmm....yet another artificial end-date for humanity. It didn't happen in 1000 AD (despite widespread belief) or 2000 AD and it won't happen now...unless enough people start believing in this nonsense to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I would state, though, that at the pace we are destroying our planet and producing weapons of mass destruction....our end-date is coming soon enough. If you want to worry about the end of the world there is no need to go searching for esoteric mystical dates.....just be rational and take a look around you.

Im egar for it just to come and go just to see what happens. Like on January 1st 2000 12:01 AM the world had the biggest sigh of relief, and you could feel that intense energy everywhere you went.

There's been speculation towards the end of the world for thousands of years, and we have yet to see any of these "prophecies" come true. Besides, the "apocalyptic" events that the Mayans apparently describe are nothing more than the changing of an era - moving into a new era of peace light, called the Golden Era.

well, I really shouldn't recommend you to take this prophecy as a joke. The 2000 thing was just a millenium, where christians calendar reached for the second 1000, nothing more. but mayans are an ancient civilization and their culture is full of mysteries. the year 2012 is a calculated year from the mayans calendar and it may be not so precise. and they did not call this a end of the world or apocalypse. We are facing the end of current cycle (or era) of this civilization. Many of us will die around this year, but some will stay alive and building a new and better world after this "apocalypse", or like Alienated Being said, Golden Era comes.
Actually, im really glad (if the prophecy comes true), that Earth gets finally clean of this dirt of modern humans.
But even Golden Era cant last forever, so history reapeats again, and again, and again...

If they're so great where are they now? Just because they're ancient doesn't mean they know anything. If the sun drops out of the sky in 2012 I'll doff my cap to them, until then I'll just keep yawning through all the regurgitated theories about their crappy calendar.

It is just a theory that they believed was true....nothing wrong with that if you ask me. Everyone has personally beliefs in something. I'm sure translation has made it seem like something mysterious...but also people take scriptures and try to manipulate them to make money off of them....Selling books makes money and people like to excite things up to get more books sales...ect.

It's easy to determine if this is an Apocalyptic date. The Mayan calendar last ended 5126 years ago, or around 3110BC (give or take a few years due to errors in our calendar)

Looking at the histories of the 31st and 32century BC, when this date would have fallen, there doesn't seem to be any cataclysmic events during that time.

So why should we think this cycle is any different?

Did you guys read the full article, which mentions how our sun somehow aligning with the center of the milky way on 12/11/12 at 11:11pm according to an astonomer? Supposedly that hasn't happened in 26,000 years. Kind of a big coincidence don't you think? Especially the numbers vs what the mayans predicted?

I have to admit I'm a bit skeptical about the world ending by the eve of 2013. I know some will exploit this for profit gain, just like it was done for the Y2K bug. My God, my mom purchased almost $500.00 worth of tomato soup just because of this Y2K scare. Let me tell you, two years of tomato soup meals later, I frown upon doomsday predictions.

like the yearly calendar. this must also be a cycle a calendar to keep us on the right track.



like what? explain further. from Christ Consciousness to Cosmic Consciousness thingy?

Actually the mayans based their calendar off of precise astronomical measurments... they used the arm of the milky way which can be seen in the night sky as a guidline for the galactic plane (who knows if they actually knew what a galaxy was) and the rising of the sun as well as the position of several planets and stars in order to create a calendar that was actually a galactic calendar not a solar calendar (what we use today, orriginating in ancient egypt)... they were off by only a tiny fraction of a second every year, a greater level of accuracy then has ever been achieved before the last couple hundred years. Their pyramids were actual observatories as well as places of ritual. The steps acted as a coordinate system for observing the movement of the stars and planets.

The Mayans are not the only ones who are calling 12/21/12 TEOTWAWKI (the end of the world as we know it). My own personal belief is that the Mayan calendar's ending is simply a way of saying time is no longer relevant - it may signify the end of time as we know it - it may be the date on which scientists figure out how to time travel, making linear time a thing of the past. The astrological alignment may be significant in this respect as well.

The History channel recently aired a fascinating program about this very thing. It was entitled Doomsday 2012 and profiled several other soothsayers who also believe 2012 will be the biggest event in human history. I don't think it is going to air again any time soon, but is available for purchase from the History channel's website. If you get a chance to see it, it is well worth the two hours -- whether you believe or not.

Its not THE end its the Begginning or something

In replying to the question yes it does predict something what i dont know
I believe something will happen in 2012 and whatever happens i hope we learn from it. My money if you are wondering is on a comet/asteroid either hitting earth or coming very very very close.

And regarding that whole milkyway alining thing appaerently our solarsystyem is orbiting the caentre of the galaxy (DUH! some say) well a scientist dude said that we pass through a certain area every 64 million years or so. He said if you go back through time there has been an extinction level event every 64million years mainly caused by asteroids. he says we go through like a gravity pull thing that brings alot of asteroids hurtling into the inner solarsystem hitting anything in their way and he said that it has happened again and again. Last extinction was 64 million years ago so its 64 million years later you know what that means .......look up

I dont know if these mayans predicted that but its a nice cowinkydink that their civillization sits in the creator left by the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs

also they had a pretty wicked lunar calendar and predicted lunar eclipses and such and their predictions are still comin true today. they also made a calendar for pregnancy which is accurate to

The mayans believe there were many levels of consciousness and that the level we experienced was relative to the position of the gods (planets and stars) and so when we reach 2012 the sun(father god) would be within the woom of the mother god (galactic arm) and consciousness would ascend to its purest level, being reborn again... something like that.

meaning?......... is it all good?

Meaning that... they knew there was an alignment between the sun and the galaxy and they thought that it would bring our consciousness into "a new light" so to speak... it wasn't the end of the world to them, it was a rebirth of it.

Oh the irony

All i know is that in 2012 we have the olympics

I think something might happen, but something happens every year Just because a calender ends doesnt mean much to me although i am keeping a very open mind just incase

Jesus once said wen ask win the world would end, "The end of days is only know by the lord God, and is pointless to wander win it will be."

SG7 don't forget the other quote "the end will come like a thief in the night"

Isnt it "Jesus will come like a thief in the night"?

Its one of the two, but don't worry about the "End Days" wen it happens it happens. Tho in by belief you can stop it form happen all to gather. The end always come wen people start being bad, Not bad as in what we are doing now. It has to be much worries. So start being nice.

Its not the apocalypse, it is indeed a shift up in consciousness/spiritually. The mayan calendars are surprisingly accurate, as they were adept skywatchers.
Since Ive talked about this on another forum, I'll just copy and paste of what i've learned weeks ago- (a lot easier than typing again, heh)

The Mayan's calendars are the most accurate calendars known to date. Theres about 22 of them each covering the different time cycles our planet goes through.

The Gregorian calendar along with many others are basically made for agricultural reasons while the Mayan calendar is meant more for our level of consciousness and synchronization with the universe.

"There are 260 different combinations of 20 different Day Lord Energies or "Sacred Sun Signs" (light energy sent by the Sun), and 13 different Galactic Energies or "Tones" sent as light frequencies from the Central Sun of our galaxy. The Central Sun of our galaxy is The One Giver of Movement and Measure.

Each of the Day Lords — or "Sacred Sun Signs" — has a personality and each of the Galactic Energies — or "tones" — have a purpose or intent. This combination gives each day a "personality" and "intent." By following the days on the Mayan calendar, you become entrained or synchronized with the natural cycles that are timed by this calendar. Thus your time becomes more natural and less mechanical. No sweat, no strain, just flow of attention on what day it is."

With this, we can notice "patterns"-similar actions and interests among humans as we're all in synchronization.
The pattern of creation described by the calendar is like a pyramid with 9 levels (also being a pyramid meaning that each cycle above is shorter than the last)


The First level, beginning 16.4 billion years ago(Cellular cycle)
The Second level, beginning 820 million years ago(Mammalian cycle)
the third level , i.e., 41 million years ago is the Family level(family relationships).
The fourth level, i.e., 2 million years ago, is the Tribal level (Homo Sapiens/tools).
The fifth level, i.e., 102, 000 years ago is the Cultural level (agriculture/religion).
The sixth level, i.e., 5, 116 years ago is the National level (sovereign nations/laws).
The seventh level, i.e., 1755 AD is the planetary level (internet/global economy).
The eighth level, January 4, 1999, is the Galactic level (ethical considerations).
And the ninth level, i.e., December 21, 2012 is the Universal level (conscious co-creation).

quoted information here
http://www.2012.com.au/Our%20future-Mayan%20calendar.html

But the calendar comes to an end at the 13th Baktun (one of the terms used in their counting)
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What is so special about this date? Its an Astronomical anomaly!

the Mayan' Sacred Tree depicts the planes of the Underworld and the sky with that of the terrestrial realm--The crossing point of the ecliptic with the band of the Milky Way

Here are some charts for December of 2012

The Milky Way goes from the lower <myspace><myspace><myspace>right</myspace></myspace></myspace> to the upper <myspace><myspace><myspace>left</myspace></myspace></myspace>, and the dashed/dotted line shows the Galactic Equator.
The planets trace roughly a horizontal path through the chart
The sun here, is dead center.


This is a 5 degree span~
Just 1 day off would put the sun at a noticeably different distance from the crossing point. This day is the crossing point of the galactic equator and the ecliptic, and also the winter solstice. --what the ancient Maya recognized as the Sacred Tree


Lets just start with all this...lol

To pinpoint this day exactly, is amazing if you ask me.


**also researching about the mayan sacred tree, it shows our milky way and the ecliptic line, which ties in together with the alignment.

when I was abducted for the 5th time in Feb. of 1994, the aliens revealed to me the end of the world will not come in my lifetime. they didn't tell me when it would happen, they just told me not yet.

So apparently the Solar System passes through the centre of the galaxie every 64m years? Pretty cool if it does but it dosnt make much sense to me i heard that the centre of the galaxie holds a HUGE Black Hole, i got that from THIS website. Plus if the solar system moves, how does all of the stars seem to stay in the same place? does everything revolve around the galaxie like the planets with the solar system? Weird! lol

Did you consider your lifetime might not last till 2012 ?

i brought a 2013 calendar, you telling me its useless, GREAT, ill try and get refund, it will be fun explaining this to the cashier

ya i saw this show. I'm not sure which country it was but they said something about another ancietn civilizaton in asia having the same date as the end of their calendar.

there are so many wonderful topics on this. To make my opinion heard again here: Nothing will happen. Just as the world does not come to a crashing end when the gregorian calendar hits Dec. 31st every year, nothing will happen when the maya calendar ends except that you can turn your calendar back and start over again (an advantage over the calendar we use now )

I think there is going to be some serious parapsychical energy around the world on that day when the calender ends. Even if the calender ending wasn't meant to bring anything in its ending something in itself might happen because of the multitudes of people expecting something. That day would be an excellent day to meditate and soak in on the planets energy.

As I know we dont have profecies after this one talking about the end of the world or someting alike,so this will be the last profecy with a date which means a end of something.

YUNIE...very interesting. I don't think it means anything when the earth crosses the galactic epelictic (sic) (the sun crosses the solar epeliptic once a year I believe) but it is very impressive that the Mayans were able to calculate it all out.

And there may very well be spots in the galactic orbit of our sun where there are concentrations of meteors or dust that cause peroidic problems for earth - though it would be strictly co-incentendal if our crossing of the galactic epelicitic conincided with one of these areas

in other words we will never know when it could be in the next ten seconds....................(tenseconds later) nope maybe not



read that its funny and intresting

I was led to believe that farming only became widespread after around 7500 BC.

Yup, you're right secondhand, farming hasn't been around for 102,000 years; we had only just become Homo sapiens by then anyway and were still likely living in Africa. I think 2012 will be just like every other year of doom laden prophecy - another non-event. In my lifetime I have experienced several prophetic ends of the earth and none of them have happened. The every 64 million years mass extinction is interesting but again, not true (although there have been mass extinctions throughout the history of the earth, just not at 64 million year periods). There are various cycles the earth passes through and these may cause us the occasional bit of harm - i.e. the Ice Ages and warm periods etc - but not anything to be really worried about as the earth has survived every other one (and so have humans for as long as they have been around, and then without the aid of the wonderful technology we have nowadays).

I personnally think that what will happen is that another cycle will just begin simple as that. Of course those worrying about the end of the world will probably stay up all night long frettin' about something that will never happen. And instead of worrying about a species wide human changing consiousness event try changing yourself before 2012 by picking up meditation and mindfulness or tai chi or martial arts or something. In the words of Nike "just do it" don't wait for 2012 to quit being a couch potato.

I'm sorry for the strong comment of couch potato I was just meaning if you believe that 2012 will cause a conciousness change why wait to 2012 why not start a tai chi class or start meditation or something. Then that way if 2012 comes around and nothing happens you've still started on a path of change. It's interesting when things like predictions of the end of the world start happening and everyone starts getting all spiritual all of a sudden then nothing happens and then peoples interest just fall by the way side. That's what happened with 2000 people started getting involved with tai chi and yoga and stuff. That's about the same time I started Isshinryu karate and tai chi. I started Isshinryu around '98 or '99. Everyone was predicting some consiousness change then and nothing happened.

People are weird! Even if the world wasnt supposed to end, we will ourselves create this myth into a sort of truth by believing too hard in it! Anticipation of things causes them to happen... in a generic sense! Lets just live and let live and help this world to be a more peaceful place where millions of generations to come can 'live'..

Meh who cares anyway, we'll all be dead one day. Nothing you can do about it but stop caring about anything but you and your family and friends. I personally couldn't give a sh*t about anyone else but those I care about. Simple as.

Here's a thought. What if as we're moving away from the center, the gravitational pull causes the planets' orbit to change, thus altering time? Then even the Mayans wouldn't be able to create a calender past 2012.

I am not doing anything different than the way I live already. I am curious to see if something indeed will happen in 2012 but I do not feel I have to change my ways.

No extra meditation or anything. I live from my heart and it rules me. There is nothing more true than just live from the heart. It can't go wrong then, I think.

But I am curious. Just to see IF anything will happen.

Maybe the Mayans figured out how boring making calanders is and after the last level they just said screw it, lets go make some crystal skulls .

Thats pretty interested to put it that way...

So what makes aliens so specials that they "know" when our world will end? Or are you just kidding?

HAHAHA, I love it. That is what I think too. At some point these dudes had to die, what are they supposed to do keep writing the calanders in the afterlife and send them to us?