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Devol

Mar 30 2007, 10:44 PM

There is an ultimatum that lies at the heart of most religions that coaxes their followers to stay true to their religion's teachings. Heaven or Hell. What happens when we die? Will your soul ascend, fall, fade from being, or is there another option? What are your views on this? This isn't a debate, I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks is going to happen.

I don't feel that Heaven or Hell are eternal, rather circumstances and conditions of the soul that can be transcended. I'm more of an opinion that we'll end up in a limbo, separate from life and the presence of Divinity. This is what I presume Hell to be, a place to purify the soul. Our souls will chastise themselves, reliving the pain we've experienced or caused that we weren't able to move past in life, until we're ready to move on. Those that can appreciate the beauty of life, in all its aspects, will 'ascend' to face a choice given by the Divine; Heaven (a place where the soul can be at rest and peace) or reincarnation and another chance to do life all over again.
That's just my opinion. I'll find out for sure sooner or later.

Any other takers?

Beckys_Mom

Mar 30 2007, 11:01 PM

That all boils down to what one believes in.........because, no one has come back to tell the tale

I say There is a place like heaven...only because i WANT to belive there is................WHY?

SIMPLE....

When we see our loved ones pass on...it hurts like hell...words cant describe it, it just hurts, the worst feeling ever IMO

So when I think of a place like heaven, and would do ANYTHING just to see that person again...even just once..........I wanna belive there is a time and a place, for me to be able to see them......sigh...I guess it's a dream really, and I am just being honest with you...its a dream

I don't know if there is a hell...I dont belive in the devil...but belive in the Devol LOL

.......but again I chose to.....

I believe, if there is such a place called heaven, then eveyone that leads a good enough life regardless if they are chrstian or not, they will be in heaven....

I'd like to think that after spending years in a hell hole like this...there just HAS to be a place like heaven for when we die.............then life can no longer feel like a b*tch lol...I like to call it -- A vacation AWAY from life

traaa llaa laaa there I said it

Lion of Judah

Mar 30 2007, 11:05 PM

Heaven on Earth paradise is what we all want not pain and suffering

draconic chronicler

Mar 30 2007, 11:25 PM

QUOTE(devol @ Mar 30 2007, 05:44 PM) [snapback]1606707[/snapback]

There is an ultimatum that lies at the heart of most religions that coaxes their followers to stay true to their religion's teachings. Heaven or Hell. What happens when we die? Will your soul ascend, fall, fade from being, or is there another option? What are your views on this? This isn't a debate, I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks is going to happen.

I don't feel that Heaven or Hell are eternal, rather circumstances and conditions of the soul that can be transcended. I'm more of an opinion that we'll end up in a limbo, separate from life and the presence of Divinity. This is what I presume Hell to be, a place to purify the soul. Our souls will chastise themselves, reliving the pain we've experienced or caused that we weren't able to move past in life, until we're ready to move on. Those that can appreciate the beauty of life, in all its aspects, will 'ascend' to face a choice given by the Divine; Heaven (a place where the soul can be at rest and peace) or reincarnation and another chance to do life all over again.
That's just my opinion. I'll find out for sure sooner or later.
Any other takers?

Most Christians are hopelessly ignorant of their own theology, but for centuries it was believed that heavenly dragons (probably the Seraphim, as the word actually means in Hebrew), devoured the souls of the wicked, and the was the end of them....... period. No reincarnation, no roasting for centuries in a hell stolen from Greek mythology, and no "Get out of jail free cards". Every medieval cathedral once depicted scenes of these judgements, Bible covers, mosaics, and scripture as well, that since has fallen from fashion. But thiis is all there for anyone interested in researching what the ancient Christians really believed, that's right, the ones "closest" to Jesus and least tainted by later beliefs.

Devol

Mar 30 2007, 11:59 PM

Yes! Believe in me, BM!

I was pressed for time when first posting, so I'll add to the original post first.

While in this 'limbo', the soul is subjected to the pain it's caused others and has to earn forgiveness from those souls, and itself, in order to 'ascend'. Those unable to find forgiveness descend to 'Hell'. Only after earning forgiveness from those one has harmed and forgiving one's own weaknesses can a soul transcend 'Hell'.

This is why I feel it's so important to move past your dilemma, BM. How could you move on to a better plain of existence if you're holding on to pain in this one?

Now, onto replies. I don't care what relgions say on the subject, I want to see your own personal views. John 4:15 may say this or that, but what do you have to say about it. It's your afterlife, shouldn't you have a thought about what happens?

AtlantisRises

Mar 31 2007, 12:55 AM

I think that after death there is absolutely nothing.

That we are snuffed out and our only purpose after death is to feed worms and fertilize daisies...

And I feel that this is the most desirable of "Afterlifes" as the concept of eternal life I feel cheapens life.

brave_new_world

Mar 31 2007, 12:58 AM

We end up in a creation of our own consciousness.

JMPD1

Mar 31 2007, 01:48 AM

Hawaii if we've been good.

Cleveland if otherwise

Horus Christos

Mar 31 2007, 03:26 AM

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We end up in a creation of our own consciousness.

I like it. Another option is that we end up going back to being part of the consciousness that is lucidly dreaming being us here on earth...we are all just figments of the consciousness that is dreaming the dream.

KGS3333

Mar 31 2007, 04:09 AM

The fact that the existence of hell is downplayed or dismissed in our modern society reflects a similar attitude towards consequences of human behaviours in general. People don't want to live a life where they are held accountable for their actions and indiscretions, even though time and again these actions and indiscretions have proven to be harmful and destructive, both to oneself and others. Secular society has managed to remove many "moral wrongs" from the list of sins, and the law now accepts infidelity and certain types of "alternative lifestyles," but in the end it still recognizes that there are certain "crimes" which deserve punishment or imprisonment. Yet at the same time, many people in secular society believes that regardless of how criminal or immoral one has been in life, in death we are all to go to Heaven or some other form of paradise/eternal-life like state.

Beckys_Mom

Apr 1 2007, 04:30 PM

QUOTE(devol @ Mar 31 2007, 12:59 AM) [snapback]1606783[/snapback]

Yes! Believe in me, BM!

I was pressed for time when first posting, so I'll add to the original post first.

While in this 'limbo', the soul is subjected to the pain it's caused others and has to earn forgiveness from those souls, and itself, in order to 'ascend'. Those unable to find forgiveness descend to 'Hell'. Only after earning forgiveness from those one has harmed and forgiving one's own weaknesses can a soul transcend 'Hell'.

This is why I feel it's so important to move past your dilemma, BM. How could you move on to a better plain of existence if you're holding on to pain in this one?

Now, onto replies. I don't care what relgions say on the subject, I want to see your own personal views. John 4:15 may say this or that, but what do you have to say about it. It's your afterlife, shouldn't you have a thought about what happens?

Devol.......As a catholic (back in the day) I was supposed to believe in -limbo..a place where the soul goes to earn forgivines............but see Devol...I broke away from religion..I don't believe in limbo...my beliefs of a place like heaven..is from my OWN thoughts..what I make up in my mind...not what a religion has taught me

For all I know, it might not be called Heaven..........I called it an after life, of what you want it to be...dreamers are we?? I am one, that hold's on to the hope of dreams....part of my own personal faith

I believe that when i die, I will no longer worry about what has hurt me so...because that is left for earth my life back on earth...although, I am a forgiving person 9/10....so if I have forgiven others all but one or two...I dont feel that should hold me back from what I call heaven

But can you explain a lil more, what you are getting at devol??

Cheers

Devol

Apr 1 2007, 05:16 PM

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Devol.......As a catholic (back in the day) I was supposed to believe in -limbo..a place where the soul goes to earn forgivines............but see Devol...I broke away from religion..I don't believe in limbo...my beliefs of a place like heaven..is from my OWN thoughts..what I make up in my mind...not what a religion has taught me

For all I know, it might not be called Heaven..........I called it an after life, of what you want it to be...dreamers are we?? I am one, that hold's on to the hope of dreams....part of my own personal faith

I believe that when i die, I will no longer worry about what has hurt me so...because that is left for earth my life back on earth...although, I am a forgiving person 9/10....so if I have forgiven others all but one or two...I dont feel that should hold me back from what I call heaven

But can you explain a lil more, what you are getting at devol??

Cheers

Catholics believe in limbo? I didn't know that. Guess I should look into it.

I wasn't getting at anything, just giving my thoughts. I believe that somewhere, sometime, somehow I'll have to answer for what I've done with my life, good and bad. There are things in my life that, even though I've moved past and forgiven, still weigh on my soul/heart/whatever. They don't really matter to my day-to-day life, but they're stil there. Take, for example, my Dad leaving when I was 12. I saw him from time to time, but he wasn't a constant presence in my life. He was supposed to be the adult, the parent, one of the people who was there to teach, guide and protect me. He wasn't, though, and I had to adjust to that. Time came when I realized that he wasn't, and may never be, ready to be a father. I can't hold that against him, he was trying to live his own life, his own way. It happened, and I'm alive because of it. But a part of me still feels the pain of rejection. If my soul/heart/whatever can hold onto that while here on this earth, what's to say that it won't when my body dies? It makes sense to me, but who am I to say that it's right? That's why I wanted to see what everyone else thinks about it.

Just keep believing in me, Geri, I'll figure it out sooner or later.

artymoon

Apr 1 2007, 05:41 PM

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I believe that somewhere, sometime, somehow I'll have to answer for what I've done with my life, good and bad. There are things in my life that, even though I've moved past and forgiven, still weigh on my soul/heart/whatever. They don't really matter to my day-to-day life, but they're stil there. Take, for example, my Dad leaving when I was 12. I saw him from time to time, but he wasn't a constant presence in my life. He was supposed to be the adult, the parent, one of the people who was there to teach, guide and protect me. He wasn't, though, and I had to adjust to that. Time came when I realized that he wasn't, and may never be, ready to be a father. I can't hold that against him, he was trying to live his own life, his own way. It happened, and I'm alive because of it. But a part of me still feels the pain of rejection. If my soul/heart/whatever can hold onto that while here on this earth, what's to say that it won't when my body dies? It makes sense to me, but who am I to say that it's right? That's why I wanted to see what everyone else thinks about it.

I personally believe, you have to deal with life here, all consequences, guilt, good, bad, etc. Once your body dies here, its over... the person and personality you once were, ceases to exist. I agree with Atlantis Rises, about our bodies being utilized... we're put to good use you know. Worms need some lovin' too.

I know its not all exciting and dreamy, but its what I believe, To me, what is exciting and awesome, is life.. here and now, and to come. You have to deal with what you have here, and appreciate every moment... because it's all we have, and you might as well enjoy it and be happy while your here.

Shadow_Hill

Apr 1 2007, 07:36 PM

We exist now, so I believe we existed before and will continue to exist. As for the nature of an afterlife... I haven't a clue.

Perhaps there is no judgement... no hell... perhaps we are simply subjected to the pain we have caused others, and by that experience suffer punishment in kind. That would seem to be fair.

GoddessWhispers

Apr 1 2007, 07:44 PM

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Hawaii if we've been good.
Cleveland if otherwise

Oh man, you're the extremist ain't ya!?

I think we'll find out. Meanwhile if it's the creation of our own consciousness that awaits, it means there are 72 virgins thinking virginity is over rated, while agnostics ask , so where do you get a perpetual supply of virgins anyway!?

I think we return to the same atomic-nuclear power that invigorates everything that exists. In my next life I'll be a comet.

My luck I'll get spotted over a no-fly zone of some Atheist hating country, so that my a*** gets blown off before I get out of the atmosphere.

Sucks.

Jim88

Apr 8 2007, 02:15 PM

QUOTE(devol @ Mar 30 2007, 10:44 PM) [snapback]1606707[/snapback]

There is an ultimatum that lies at the heart of most religions that coaxes their followers to stay true to their religion's teachings. Heaven or Hell. What happens when we die? Will your soul ascend, fall, fade from being, or is there another option? What are your views on this? This isn't a debate, I'm just curious as to what everyone thinks is going to happen.

I don't feel that Heaven or Hell are eternal, rather circumstances and conditions of the soul that can be transcended. I'm more of an opinion that we'll end up in a limbo, separate from life and the presence of Divinity. This is what I presume Hell to be, a place to purify the soul. Our souls will chastise themselves, reliving the pain we've experienced or caused that we weren't able to move past in life, until we're ready to move on. Those that can appreciate the beauty of life, in all its aspects, will 'ascend' to face a choice given by the Divine; Heaven (a place where the soul can be at rest and peace) or reincarnation and another chance to do life all over again.
That's just my opinion. I'll find out for sure sooner or later.
Any other takers?

I believe in heaven, but not hell. I believe we're all reincarnated, but not as soon as we die. There is a period of time in between lives that we spend in heaven. Heaven isn't paradise. It is just a place you go so God can talk to you and where you wait for your time to be born. I believe God talks to us between lives. God explains to us what we did wrong in life and how he is going to punish us for it and he tells us what we did right and how he is going to reward us for it. All his punishment and rewards you receive in your next life. Sometimes God even teaches you things while he has you up in heaven.