Conservative Jewish seminary to allow gays and lesbians to apply
Originally printed 3/29/2007 (Issue 1513 - Between The Lines News)

NEW YORK (AP) - The major seminary and flagship institution of Conservative Judaism said Monday it will start accepting openly gay and lesbian students, after scholars who interpret Jewish law for the movement voted to allow it.

Arnold Eisen, the incoming chancellor for the Jewish Theological Seminary, said the decision was made after extensive discussion with faculty and students, a survey on views of the issue within the movement and a meeting of the school's trustees.

"The larger issue has been how we can remain true to our tradition in general and to halakah (Jewish law) in particular while staying fully responsive to and immersed in our society and culture," Eisen said in a statement distributed to the school community and its supporters.

The Conservative branch holds the middle ground in American Judaism, adhering to tradition while allowing some change for modern circumstances.

The larger and more liberal Reform Jewish movement, as well as the smaller Reconstructionist wing, allow gays to become rabbis; the Orthodox branch bars gays and women from ordination.

In December, the Committee on Jewish Law and Standards voted to allow the seminaries to decide on their own whether to admit openly gay students. However, their decision also left leeway for synagogues to reject gay and lesbian clergy if the congregations believe that same-sex relationships violate Scripture.

Earlier this month, a smaller Conservative seminary in Los Angeles, the Ziegler School of Rabbinic Studies at the University of Judaism, announced that it has accepted its first openly gay and lesbian applicants.

this is what happens when logical thinking takes hold instead of backwards thinking. all religions need change or they fall to the wayside with another taking it's place.

there isn't a religion that hasn't changed eventually.

I agree. I think it's an excellent example that will hopefully set a precedent in itself for other religious groups to finally example the tolerance they claim to espouse, in recognizing gays may love and serve god their maker, just as well as straights.

This is a great step forward in accepting people who really aren't that different from everyone else.

Someones preferences in the bedroom should not be the primary means of judgement.

not that i have anything against gay people... i don't care what people choose to do with their own life for the most part... as long as i don't have to participate in their choice.... like voting for whether or not they can get married... lol...

i do however think that if a religion has certain views... why change them just because somebody doesn't like them?

my point being... if you're gay and your religion says it's wrong... why argue... just find another religion that doesn't care... or just start your own...

i say the same for straight people... don't go to gay bars and announce your straight... just to make a scene and prove a point...

personally... i think SOME gay people are doing just that... they just want to make a scene... if they truly just wanted to attend to learn... why announce that your gay? just go and attend...

straight people don't walk around with their heterosexuality on display everytime they join a group... they just go and do whatever it is they want to do...

can someone explain that to me... why SOME gay people feel the need to announce that they are gay before they do something that usually is biased against gays? i'm just wondering... why make a scene...

What wonderful news!

Just wondering. You're gay and love jesus. You decide to attend church with your lover, holding hands on Easter Sunday as you walk together up the church steps.

But the god awaiting inside that dark doorway, amid all the organ music, the candles flames, the great altar of worship and deific reverence, says you're an abomination. Not to mention the whispers behind your back, as those calling themselves "christ like" affirm you're an abomination because of what they say just low enough not to make a scene, but loud enough for your ears to hear as you walk by.

You're gay, inside. Why does anyone privileged and straight imagine that's something that can be tolerated just as long as it doesn't show!?

Your religion calls you an abomination. Leave it and go find one that loves gays.
Name one.

Then tell me how it is a person that is called in their heart to serve god, by any name, needs to change who they are just to please the people that claim to know god disapproves their existence, because other people said god said so in a book?



This is that fundamentalist spirit I was talking about in PM with someone just recently. They say I harp to much on the history of christianity and that it gets old. But the spirit that made bloody history then, is the spirit that attempts to make new laws now. Laws that declare equality isn't to be permitted if you're gay or bisexual in America, because you, being gay, are an abomination in the eyes of your maker. People like to disavow the history because they cant face the past that is what the contemporary institution is erected on today, and that past, that bloody example of intolerance, is what propelled a faith to survive to today. It simply murdered it's competition, in gods name. Abdicating responsibility that mortal hands put lives to death, by claiming it was gods will and that somehow cleanses mortal tools of destruction from the responsibility.

Why change religious laws because someone doesn't like them?! Fascinating ignorance that. If those laws weren't changed I could still own your mother. Because slavery is sanctioned in the christian religion. I could do all manner of things, like be a bigot because god says it's OK. They say religion is suppose to compel people to a sense of community, but I know religious history proves that's a lie. Religion is about dominion. Control of the mind first, that abdicates reason and accepts myth as truth so much so that one lives their life by the rules that myth set's forth. Because they believe it's all for something after living, that they do today what they do to others in it's name. That's why we see christians holding their bibles as they spit on grieving family and friends of fallen soldiers, trying to make their way to a funeral for that last goodbye. Amid signs reading god hates fag*, and the USA. They hold those bibles because it is from there they get their strength to be sub-human, hateful, bigoted and vile. Because they take it at it's word they're doing gods will being hateful, bigots and vile.

When a religion compels separatism , when activists use it as a marker to petition the legislative branch of a government to discriminate by law, in it's name, against real people, for the sake of myth, religion has a problem. Move on? Change your faith because some people interpret your ideal of god into a hateful separatist, bigot in heaven? How arrogant! How small minded, how amazingly unrealistic and yet how fitting. Change your religion because your religion is not fitting your ideal of god. How about people seeing god as better than being a bigot? How about people changing their mind that a creator of all that exists makes something to hate? And commands it's people to prove that by thought and deed, in his stead!?

Instead of changing one's religion because in doing so they admit there are aspects they can not morally support, how about changing the mind that god isn't immoral, as many religions would imply!? How about finding god in one's heart, and not on the page, so there's no excuse to be immoral because the book expects it of you, in the name of god. If I were a believer, I would take pride in holding faith in a god power that wasn't as depraved as humanity, if I first believed it was worthy of being worshiped as a higher power than that which asks me not to love my neighbor as myself, as long as they're gay, of another race, or women. Yes, if everyone took religious admonitions to heart today, never having changed what is taught from that ancient historic fiction, faith today would make for a whole different world. One that I imagine would evoke many prayers for salvation from, than praise to, that spirit that compels the condition.

here is what people miss all the time... i'm not saying God doesn't love these people... and i'm not saying that they shouldn't believe... my point is this... if they believe in the God that they are going to worship, they obviously believe in whatever holy book that whatever religion they believe in follows... as you stated, i can't think of one that approves of homosexuality... if the rule is against that book... why go in front of those people and flaunt it in their face?

i would say the same exact thing to the cleptomaniac... don't drive to church in a stolen car or wear a stolen suit and then tell people that it's stolen... or the adulteress... don't show up to church with someone else's wife/husband...

if you feel the need to attend church, by all means, go and participate... but is it too much to ask for 2 or 3 hours worth of respect to what that religion believes in? even if you yourself don't agree?

there were plenty of times in school that we were being taught evolution... i would just sit and listen because i personally didn't believe it... i didn't try to stop it from being taught... i didn't say a word until the teacher asked me a question pertaining to it... i told him that i didn't agree with evolution, so i wasn't going to answer the question... he respected my decision because he was an ex priest that left the church... but he turned and asked the class... "how many of you don't believe in evolution" and everybody except 2 people raised their hands...

my point being... we didn't make a scene... we didn't hold a giant protest... we just let him teach and allowed him to present his point of view since it was a psychology class that we all wanted to take... i'm not sure if they still do it... but we got college and highschool credit for that class back then...



just because someone makes a claim... doesn't mean that it's true...

furthermore... people who don't understand the first thing about the Bible... still obsess over the commandments... not just the first 10 but all of them...

what a true Christian believes is that Jesus offers forgiveness to anyone that wants it... without exception... because He shed his blood, we are free to ask forgiveness no matter what it is we have done... in my OPINION homosexuality is wrong... but at the same time... it's no worse than lying, stealing, killings, etc...

they are all equal sins in God's eyes... according to the New Testament...

and again... if a homosexual chooses to worship a certain God... and wants to go to a place of worship that believes in their holy book... then respect what they believe and just don't flaunt it in front of them... if they want to continue when they get back home... that's between them and God...



actually slavery wasn't sanctioned as you are probably thinking of it... slavery was used as a way for a person to pay a debt... it had a maximum of 6 years or service and they were to be treated a certain way. they were to be taken care of. and people could enter optional slavery in exchange for food and a place to stay... and sometimes even get paid...
you can be a bigot without God... you could be a bigot that is against religion... same thing... your still discriminating against a specific group...

the same could be said about people who believe in evolution... it abdicates reason and accepts myth as truth... because there isn't a fossil record to support the claim... but for some reason... people think that if they believe it... everyone else is ignorant for not believing the same...

and you said that "Christians hold their Bibles as they spit..."

so what about the Christian soldiers that died... are you calling them bigots? what about their christian families... are they bigots? what about all the christians who aren't doing what you accused the whole group of doing? are they bigots? you are trying to lump a whole group together based on the actions of a very few... which makes you a BIGOT... plain and simple...

i could make the argument that some of the greatest attrocities were committed by people who didn't believe in God... Hitler for example... it is well documented that he involved himself in the occult and Ouija Boards... which no real believer in Christ would do... as he sometimes CLAIMED to be... so would it be fair for me to say that anyone who ever touched a ouija board or engaged in occultic practice wants to kill millions of innocent people? is it fair to say that they get their power to be sub-human, bigoted and vile from their lack of belief in God? based on your statements, i can only conclude that you are yourself the same type of person that you accuse others of being... because you are doing the same thing... you spit on their beliefs just like you said they spit on the families of other becaue of what they believe...

i personally think the war was wrong... but i also don't care what the soldiers or families say about it... i feel, if you don't want to go to war... don't join the military... if you are willing to die for your country... more power to you... it just means that i don't have to... i don't have anything against the soldiers that went to war... and i wasn't out there with my Bible... as you have accused ALL Christians of doing...



lol... your statement contridicts itself... as i've said before... the Bible views homosexuality as a sin... so if that's the case... how can that be one's "ideal God if you engage in the lifestyle of homosexuality?" the same can be said for the Jewish religion and the Muslim religion...

but why should we change our views because someone doesn't want to accept them? should we change our laws to be accepting to the thief that doesn't want to give up stealing? or the killer who wants to continue murdering people? or any other group that we consider to be practicing sinners who don't agree with our views... would you be saying the same thing if a child molestor thought we should change?

as i stated before... those are all sins on the same level according to the NT... no sin is worse than another... so are we still bigots if a rapist doesn't like the part about rape being bad... and we refuse to change it?

because that also falls under discrimination whether you like it or not... and if you don't think everyone should change for those groups... that would also make you a bigot... but society has their view on what's acceptable and what's not... and regardless of what you believe... religion plays a huge role in society...



if what you said above was true... then that person would not want to be a Christian in the first place... Christianity is based on the Bible... and if you don't agree with the book... don't worship that God or follow the religion... plain and simple...

i wouldn't go to a gay bar and say that promoting homosexuality is wrong... and because i don't like it... they should change it...

by your standards they would be bigots by not complying...

the point being... if you don't agree with something... don't participate... it's that simple... i GUARANTEE that this would have been a totally different argument if a Christian, Jew, or Muslim went to a satanist meeting and pointed out that they wanted to join but didn't like their practice of discriminating against people who follow God... but your a bigot and would probably blame the Christian, Jew, or Muslim for going...

Right. First off, your typing is horrid. I'm mentioning this now because of all the time I've been here, you've failed to clean it up.

Moving on!

You go back to the middle ages, and if you "Came out"...you'd be stoned. So would Pagans, Atheists....the list goes on. Now, personally, I'm not all that suprised that the Jews have done this. Not at all. Of the "Big Three"...they've been the most accepting through out history. They did all of their genocides and crimes against humanity early in their life, so we don't think ofthem much. Christianity is leaving that phase...slowly, kicking and screaming, while Islame is starting to enter that phase...

This is one of the reasons that religion deserves no place in politics. Religion is attempt of control, regardless of what you believe. Alot of them take away the rights of "Different" people, just because they're different. That's not right, and it shouldn't be condoned...nay, it should not be ALOUD, in the slightest. At no point should any religion have a say in the rights of any human being. Period. I'd rather put my rights into the hands of another Mussolini, or Hitler.

But, given the topic....

Lesbians are hawt. .

Here here LOL you have your head screwd on young man

Thephantum you said straight people dont walk around with their heterosexuality on display didnt you ever see married people kissing?

And I KNOW how thaphantum loves the ladies LOL and i'll bet you your bottom dollar he HAS done it in puplic................................kissing lol

haven't you thaphantum...don't lie now...tell the truth...or as my mom would say...tell the truth and shame the devil lol

Of course straight people do it in public lol..I myself have done so many times....even got caught in the back seat of my BF's car...hated when the cops shone the the flash light on us..WOW was that embarrasing.........................and i've said too much...c-ya!!!

Im straight and proud..so get used to it LOL so if the gay person can chant it so can I

actually i said we don't walk into things we want to attend... with our heterosexuality on display... i wasn't referring to being in public... because that's not what we are talking about... i'm talking about going into a private group or establisment that is openly against those things... and trying to make a scene...

all true but i wasn't talking about being yourself in public... just within churches, groups, and different organizations...

if someone doesn't agree with their point of view... why join?

i wouldn't go join PETA and try to get them to eat meat...

What's flaunting about two people in love? Do straights flaunt? Is that something that should be hidden, out of view, because people may not approve!? Oh yes, that's right, I forgot. Silly me. There are laws still on the books that prohibit kissing, holding hands or any display of affection in public. Well, at least there's a measure of equality present in that. Depending on the jurisdiction, straights, gays and bi would be subject to arrest. Or maybe just a ticket. Fined $20 for holding hands in public. It's a morality thing.

What provokes discussions about this type of hot button topic and religion, is the books admonition against it. Holy books declare and as such we obey. If you believe in god and his book, you follow the book of the god. If you no likey the book of the god, you no have to worship the god of the book. Go somewhere else, where a god of a book doesn't call you an abomination after he's made you.

And that makes for a very valid observation. Faith, in the book, is faith in the god of the book. Good of him to fit between those covers. Lovely he endured the edit of his words, the councils that decided what was holy in his name, the faith it's all true, after.

If god is love, why doesn't he tell his people to love their neighbor as themselves?

If god is compassion, why doesn't he tell his people to hold compassion as they would have it beholding unto them?

If god is peace why doesn't he tell his people that he lives in their hearts and best wishes, and is so immense as to prove his vision for this world, by shining back from the face of every one in it?

If god is a higher power, why am I his created abomination? Because someone scrawled it on the page and thus it is believed to be true because god would want it that way. And what's it say about god that someone would say if one doesn't like that god discriminates, they can worship something else? Gods a bigot and if you don't like it, move on. I guess it's easy to defer responsibility for one's choice by saying it's gods will. I bet it's easier to do so when one happens to be one of the favored in gods will. Ever notice people don't worship a power that views them as a contemptible step child?! They're always the chosen one's, while all others are unaware.







And I realize you claim I'm a bigot because you say I lump a whole collection of christians into the criticism, but if you could read what I said you'd see that the bigots are those christians that do that thing I was talking about. Holding their bibles calling themselves christian and spitting on family and friends of dead gay soldiers. You see, that's not a criticism of all of christianity, that's a criticism of those that represent themselves as christians in that way. And say what you will, as one tries to read it for all the ..... that it contains and reminds some of us of another poster prone to the same style of posting, but I did not contradict myself in my statement.

ONLY because............we are led to believe and think..that its FINE to be straight..........therefore we dont HAVE to demonstraight our rights to be straight..do we???

We cant explain as to WHY we are straight...we can't explain what it is that makes us feel attracted to the opposite sex...I cant explain as to WHY I think Brad Pitt is hot.........I just do...but see I DONT have to attend things to demonstraight my sexual feeling to get accepted for my straight rights.............NO I SURE DON'T

Gays do...cuz gays are mocked and seen as wrong...the ignorance poured apon them..makes the brave ones take a stand for their rights............it makes sense


Its like blacks and white...look at the amount of black people over the years have had tofight for their rights...take a stand against the white peope that take them down

thphantum..you have to understand...that if man makes something out to be wrong or less than human in any shape or form....................then those people regardless of sexual nature (ie gay straight)...gender..color...religion......all have to take a stand..and that means......attending things like you said earlier..to do it


Think of this....if man did not say gay was wrong.....ever in the bible.........then do you think gays would take a stand today, to fight for gay rights??

What about if the White man didnt mock or drag down blacks and other ethnic races............dont you think they wouldnt have had to take a stand??

it happens to be a way of life..............not nice...but thats it


BM has spoken

Firstly thats great news,
Second im always amazed that the ones who are against homosexuality are normally the religous types.. one love, i dont think so.

ok, so let me pose this question... should i try to join PETA and make a big scene that i eat meat... but i want to join PETA because it discriminates against people who choose to eat meat? after all... i was born that way... i didn't choose to like meat...

i'm just wondering if that's ok... because it's the same concept as homosexuals wanting to join an organization that is against homosexuality...

And yet the argument is continued by a religous type... amazing
is everyone forgeting god made ua all, there must be a reason there are gay people. or are you saying god was wrong,,,

Don't ake this the wrong way...but using PETA is a poor defence in this case

People mostly CHOOSE its wrong to eat meat..a lot dont want to eat it for the animals sake...a brave lot of them

Now how can you compare that..with your choice in how to express love for another human being...is beyond me

You didn't chose to be straight phantum...you cant even explain WHY you are straight...it is not something you woke up one day and said - YO I THINK I may try looking at ...blondes for a while..see how that goes...................if you feel attracted to a blonde female...you just ARE..you cant HELP IT...thats the difference my man...big difference

than someone choosing NOT to eat meat..due to saving animals...HELLO??

Cant you come up with a better defence than PETA??

Dont forget MAN CHOSE to be against gays...MAN chose to say..that gays are wrong...cuz man is dead against ANYTHING he/she fears.............that my friend, is FACT

When a gay person attends a place to try and get them to accept them for who they ARE..not what they chose to be..is a big difference


If you can.........................let me know

i guess we run into a difference of opinion here because there is no conclusive proof on whether it's a choice or genetic...
so as far as i'm concerned PETA is a perfect example... if you don't like it... don't join it...

man does have a tendency to kill what they fear... but they also have a tendency to avoid things that disgust them to...

i'm absolutey disgusted by the thought of two men kissing and having sex... it makes me want to throw up when i see it on t.v...

now on the other had... lol... i can watch two women all day long...

the thing is... i have no fear of gay people... and i really don't care what they do to tell you the truth... as long as i don't have to participate the least bit in their gay lifestyle... such as voting on their right to marry... i personally don't care if they get married...

for some reason people feel the need to make a big deal whenever a gay person does something... i think it's dumb...

Gay person becomes pastor... gay person walks down the street openly with lover... etc...

who cares? really... who is still surprised by this stuff?

what would surprise me is if an openly gay person came out and announced that they are straight... lol... that's worthy of news...

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd that concludes your feelings on gay people..................they disgusts you in one hand (meaning men who are gay)...................but in the other hand you LOVE to watch gay women...oppsee did someone say BAISED OPINIONS?? ANYONE??

And you contradict yourself by saying - and i really don't care what they do to tell you the truth......but they disgust you expressing their love on tv or even down the street...my my my...that sums you up

look at me, im religious..I dont like gays...no wait..I have nothing against gays..as long as I dont find myself disgusted at them for kissing another guy...ohh and oh oh oh ai love watching gay women do it..oohhh **homer simpson drool**
make sense to anyone?? umm not me

Anyhoo thaphantum..we now know your views on gays...a lil mixed up,...but god forbid if you ever have a kid that turns out to be gay...god help that kid...but you can say...look on the bright side kido..if you where a female and gay..I have NO PROBLEM WITH IT..after all I belong to a religious group that preaches --------> ONE GOD.........ONE LOVE...dont worry hun..daddy aint confused

LMAO phantum you crack me up...I always find myself amused by a homophobic...

So we are saying here god created all man, but we feel god is wrong because man thinks homosexualuity is wrong, obvously god dosent belive its wrong because if he did it wouldent exist period,,, so is your precious god wrong then.

Hypocritical b******.

Now, I don't like the idea of two men going at it either...but that doesn't mean I'm willing to take away their rights for it.

I am glad and proud to say..the God I worship in heaven...Loves you no matter if you are gay or not....there is NO silly rules with my faith in God...no discrimination either

ONE God ...actually means ONE LOVE to me...not how others chant it LMAO

Being straight or Gay is not a choice..you are who you are

only ingrorance will say it is and use a PETA to defend it wtf??

actually, you have it wrong again... i never said i don't like gays (you added that)... i just don't like to see gay guys acting affectionate...

but i don't recall people not having the right to be disgusted by something...

i also don't like birds in the least bit and find them to be the most disgusting thing on this planet... and really am disgusted when i see pigeons... but i don't go out and killed them...
so are my views on birds mixed up?

i think people who like to be peed and crapped on when they have sex are very disgusting... so are my views on sex mixed up?

your confused because you want to be confused on my view on homosexual... my exact view is...

i don't care what they do as long as i don't have to WATCH two guys be intimate... in which case i turn my head or i turn the channel... it's just personal preference...
but for some reason... you think its wrong for me to not want to see it... or for me to find it disgusting... but i do believe they have a right to do whatever they want...

so if you're still confused it's because you want to be... and i hope you don't think your any better than anyone else because you like to watch men kiss and have sex?

where did i say i want to take away their rights to do it? please point out my post where i said that... or maybe you just don't know the meaning of the word hypocrite... if you had bothered to read my post... i said the same thing you said... so if i'm one... that makes you one too...

You called it "Wrong and Disgusting". I said it was disgusting...never said it was wrong.

i'm starting to understand the people are truly ignorant when you give an example of something...

so let me clear this up so people can understand what i assumed adults were capable of understanding...

homosexuals going into a place that doesn't welcome their way of life and trying to change their view is like me going into PETA who doesn't accept my way of life (eating meat) and trying to change their view...

it's the same exact thing...

but i'm sure you will find a way to take that out of context like the rest of what i said... so i'm officially done with this convo...

i didn't know so many heterophobes existed on the forum...

i read my posts... i never said i think it was was wrong... i said i don't think it's a choice... and i said i don't agree with it... i NEVER said they shouldn't be allowed to do it... nor did i say they shouldn't have rights...

what i did say is that i'm disgusted by it... you and Becky inserted your own ASSUMPTIONS

You're free to think those things but you can scratch off PETA as one of your references, after.

And certainly people are free to think what they wish about the gay lifestyle, however they are not free to create laws and amend Constitutions, so as to effect, by law, what they think of gays not deserving citizen equality. Certainly people that subscribe their bias to religious admonitions are free to believe their god requires bigotry in it's worship. Just as other people are free to think that's obscene and not anything that resembles a god consciousness. We're all free to think what we wish, say what we mean and live our lives living up to those words. Because in the end when someone says they disapproved, in a sweeping indictment, all of the gay community because it was god's will to declare them an abomination, how one lives and behaves in that faith is what speaks to who they are as people of faith. You can call on god for every hate you feel for others, but the one that resembles the faith in that thing, is the one living in the flesh and putting into motion what words only say.

Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Means nothing. Until someone kills a witch.

When someone acts against someone else and then they call it having to do with their religion, I wonder if they hold faith in what others find contemptible. Or if the faith of contempt is just where they feel comfortable being themselves.

If life is choice, and free will is of god, how do you look living your faith today?

LMAO!!.....BM, you know I love you!!...and your posts ALWAYS make me laugh. And I do agree with you. Eating meat and being gay aren't even close to being in the same realm of reasoning.

Thaphantum,
This is yet again, a perfect example of hypocricy. In your eyes, it's OK for women to be gay, but it's not OK for men. Are you saying that your God did a good thing making some women attracted to each other? But he made a mistake making 2 men attracted to each other?

yep here I am again.

you know , the southern plantation owners said the same thing about slavery. it is fine in the bible . the arguement from closed minded individuals was stupid then as it is now.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

God isn't an organization .

Now you are using pigeons as a defence...what's next?? CATS?? LOL

If i said, every time I saw a black man on the tv, and it disgusted me so much, I turned it over ...would that make it ok for me to announce how I feel in a live forum to everyone??

NOPE only an idiot would show this ignorance..knowing fine well there are people from all areas using the SAME BOARD

each time you try and turn it into another defence on how you are just disgusted at watching gays do their loving thing...you are really doing this instead
----------------->>>>> quit while you are ahead!!! or the hole is going to get bigger!!!

And remember, the man that wrote in the bible, how Gay is sinful...only did so, cuz he had no idea about it and he feared it ..therefore what looked un-natural to him, he put it down as God's word....

You cant choose which way to go, whether gay or straight..you just GO whatever path it leads to...there is no choice involved...and unless I am mistaken...a SIN is a choice we make...so that cancles out gays then don't it??
Back to the topic

Gays have every right to go and defend their rights...if religious people are going to yap out -- ONE GOD....ONE LOVE..do so, without the Buts!!! ..One God one love..but no but yeaa but no but yeaah, no but.yea but no but, yeah but, no but, yea but noo ...screw that...he is either ONE love or he isn't...

Yuppers..PETA are against eating meat due to the animals..caring for them...its a..................CHOICE they make

Gays / Straight folk...............so not a choice...cuyuz not one single sinner can explain what it is that makes them gay or straight...

But homosexuals are harmless. PETA is an organization for preventing the sufferinng of animals by humans, I think they are shady and radicals but that is their point. Eating meat often causes that animal to suffer, a poor life and painful death yes? And what suffering do homosexuals cause? They aren't hurting anyone or anything, except maybe you religious people who put too much faith in the writing of people thousands of years ago. Different times.

careful , before some uneducated misinformed soul tries to argue how gays have caused hiv , or that most are pedophiles. not to forget how mankind will somehow die out because gays don't procreate in an already over populated world. lol



so 2 women doesn't bother you? or are you disgusted by that too? most men think that's fine . Plenty of women think 2 men togeather is hot.

let me put it this way , a great drag queen named Quentin Crisp said

" Many people dislike homosexuality because they can't help concentrating on what homosexual men do to one another. And when you contemplate what people do, you think of yourself doing it. ... That's the famous joke "I don't like peas, and I'm glad I don't like them, because if I liked them, I would eat them, and I hate them." — Quentin Crisp

if gay men digust you surely the pedophiles , rapists , wife beaters , drug dealers ,theives ect ... that go to your church or place of worship or live in this land must. In other words - you have bigger fish to fry . why worry about the ones who do no harm ?



Quentin Crisp 1908 -1999

Lol glad you pointed that out. Homosexuals weren't at fault for the HIV, why anyone would think that is beyond me. And most Pedophiles seem to be attracted to little girls D:

Of course Gays are NOT at fault for bringing AIDS/HIV into the world...it did come from a man though..believed to have been a lil too frisky with monkies that are HIV and immune to it...

Yes, bestiality is at fault ;P

Well said Lt_Ripley LOL

BTW he looks a lot like an old Dr Who (si fi brit tv show)

LOL

I remembered a little something -and did a little searching. God blessed these homosexual relationships .

Ruth and Naomi
David and Jonathan
Daniel and Ashpenaz

The good Lord loves gay men, , "And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul" (1 Samuel 18:1).

not to forget as well

Dear Dr. Laura,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odour for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odour is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How should they die?

I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot.
Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16)
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,

J. Kent Ashcraft

An excellent find Lt.

The Book of Samuel relates to a relationship between men. Racy, by the standards of the day I'd think. 1 Samuel 18:1-4 and 20:41-42 and 2 Samuel 1:25-26.

I found this link @ the same site: CAN A HOMOSEXUAL BECOME AND REMAIN A CHRISTIAN?

I asked that once before to a chrsitian on here...he says in responce -- Yes, but only IF they promise not to have sex with the same sex

LMAO can you imagine that...............so I added..........Umm having sex outside a marriage is wrong alos...how many chrsitian would say "Ohh ohh I have done it..im sorry but wont do it anymore" Now if you believe that a straight chrsitian will stick by his/her word..think again....but the same person think that gays should stop being gay so easy??

How many straight chrsitians are going to tell what they get up to in private, behind closed doors??

If you can answer that...then tell me how many Gays are going to do the same??

I rest my case lol

My conclusion is...Dont sit and look down at Gays if you have sinned greatly yourself and you know fine well you will do it over and over again.......you hypocrite

I've met and believe even read here, people say gays aren't damned as long as they don't have homosexual relations. Deny who you are, lie to get laid, and if you're very very good Peter will let you into the gates of the dead & saved club. Where the street's are paved in gold, and there are erected giant walls, because there are so many groups that imagine they're the only one's there! And also to prevent the culture shock if some of them were to see the gay pride flag on the horizon!

I tell you what, in all seriousness, I've met some people that believe such violent things about higher powers (if as someone here said certain thoughts can be expressions of violence), that I'd rather be Atheist wrong and damned, than alive for eternity in their kind of heaven.

Id rather be eatin a chocolate Jesus.....