But wouldnt rule seven go against a athiests disbelief of the supernatural or unexplained or non factual logic? As far as I know every athiest I have spoken to does not believe in either a higher power or anything super natural such as magic and miracles.

But wouldnt rule seven go against a athiests disbelief of the supernatural or unexplained or non factual logic? As far as I know every athiest I have spoken to does not believe in either a higher power or anything super natural such as magic and miracles. Also as far as I have studied LaVey's church hailed Satan as their lord and so do others I have met of the Church of Satan. The only place I have ever heard of Non-Satan believing followers of the church is accually here on this forum.

i wonder why a lot of practicing satanists don't practice rule #1...



wow... does that apply to little kids too?



what exactly is "the" mating signal? is it a wink? a kiss? rubbing of the head? that's very open ended and can be interpreted in any way shape or form...



so if i know someone who complains about gas prices... and they drive a hummer... i have the right to take it?



wouldn't that involve getting on a forum and arguing with Christians? they certainly don't have to get on here...



but does this rule still apply in the face of rule #4 or #11?



why not? according to rule #2 and #11 you can kill people just for annoying you...



what if they follow the same rule and your presence bothers them... do they have the right to destroy you? or your kid? or your wife? etc...?



funny how some people will bash the Bible... yet they find this garbage acceptable... but what i find rediculous is that they don't think they are worshiping satan...

if it turns out that satan DOES exist... what are you going to say? "we were just kidding... we didn't think he was real." LMAO

lol

Hence why I threw in the possibility that they are non-thiests. And rule 7 doesn't insist that they believe in Magic. Only that they believe in Magic if they happen to use it. Basically not to use it then claim it doesn't exist as doing so would be a denial of the self in a way..

But why would one use magic if they do not believe in it and have no other interest but to disprove it. Also what about the worshipping Satan part?

And I agree with Phantum and how he describes how the rules contradict themselves.

A Non-thiest is a person who disbelieves in a "God" figure but doesn't discount Metaphysical Phenomena. This is the category I personally fall into.

And they might use Magic for various reasons. THe most likely being desperation. Perhaps they consider it a last resort to get what they wish for. If they do this then it would be incredibly idiotic for them to deny the existance of magic.

And as I said. The members of the CHurch of Satan do not worship Satan. They don't even believe in him. They use the word Satan in the way it was originally intended before Christianity mutilated it.

It means "Adversary" And as I said they consider themselves Adversaries to ALL theisms.

IF anything Satanism teaches a person to Worship themselves as the individual is the true God.

I just hope that DemonicPrescence logs on soon. He is the expert when it comes to Satanism and I hope I am not representing him poorly.

So who are the Satan worshippers? And why did the founder himself worship Satan and why did the original founders dated back to the Middle Ages worship Satan? It seems that we are talking about two different churches here. All the Satanist I have spoken with in person by the way represent themselves as worshippers of Satan and I am not talking about gothic punks I am talking about middle aged and over men and women who from what they say accually were in LaVey's accuall commune back when he founded it.

And from your discription a Non-Thiest sounds like someone who takes and picks from both sides. As I like to call it stradling the fence and picking fruit from both trees on that are both on one side of the fence.

Also in the case of magic usage by Satanists, Lets say that I am a Satanist and you are a Athiest or Non-thiest who does not believe in magic but is interested in the church. Lets say I use a spell to protect you on your way home tonight. And so you drive home without even a CD skipping. The next day I walk up to you and ask you if you had a safe drive home. You reply yes and I state it is because of my spell. Now technically by the rules of the church magic was used and supposedly proven by a active member so now you must respect magic as being factual even though it may go against you beliefs. Or lets say you try a spell, maybe one to hook up with a hot girl in the bar you are at(lets also say you did the spell before you left to the bar) and a few hours later a girl comes up to you talks for a while and askes if you want to pull a one night stand. Now technically by the rule number seven your spell worked so now you must aknowlege magic as fact even though you are skeptical. Am I correct on the matter?

I think to use magic at all is a kind of off beat way to get what you want or do something in your life desperation or not. I think it accually makes on weak since you dont believe in yourself enough to solve problems for yourself or accept defeat. Where is the honor in using magic? Where is the selfrespect?

Certainly there are people who worship satan, and I Suspect that they would call themselves Satanists or Luciferians or the like\. However this is taken from a COS FAQ.


I think that explains it quite well. And that entire FAQ is interesting for anyone who really wants an understanding of the COS



Nope. Merely a question of the Source of most Metaphysical activity. Personally I think that more or less all Metaphysical activities, including the creation and destruction of gods come from the mind of humans and anyother intelligent creature.





Not quite

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.


You see that subtle difference between what you have said and what the rule states? If YOU employ it. Not if someone else tells you that they have cast a spell to make you safe. But if you were to open a book of spells and try casting one, be it out of a sense of fun or desperation, and that spell were to help you obtain your desires then it would be extremely hypocritical to then claim magic does not exist.

Anyhow. I should point out that I am not a member of the COS but I do respect quite a few of their teachings, though the internal politics of the Church reminds me to strongly of other organized religions.

Why? Why should I use the New Testament when I want to discuss the verses contained in the old one? Why, when I am asking a question which relates solely to an understanding of those verses should I then include verses from the New Testament? I asked a question based upon verses of the Old Testament... was the crime, according to that text, against the woman or the man who she belongs to. It's not a vague question. It's not veiled. And if you remember, my original question was asked out of curiosity, not in order to make a point. If I asked you to explain an area of the law in 18th century England commented on in a Jane Austen novel, would you tell me it's not relevant and direct me to look at a modern law book and see how things are now?

Going back to another post...



Indeed, it is in the past, as is every event in history, and yet we discuss history and such discussion is considered valid. Whatever your thoughts on the subject of the laws of the Old Testament might be, the question was obviously of some interest to me or I would not have asked it... the subject is obviously of interest to me or I would give it no thought. And my questions and opinions should not be considered a waste of space simply because the subject is considered irrelevant by you.



You've pointed out that it doesn't matter to you... so many times already. Didn't I already accept that you consider the difference to be irrelevant?

actually there are over 600 commandments/laws in Leviticus (I think it's 632 in all)

The Ten Commandments are only a small part of the laws God gave to Moses on Mt. Sinai. Leviticus enumerates hundreds of laws up until the point Chapter 27, verse 34 states: “These are the commands the Lord gave Moses on Mot. Sinai for the Israelites.� In fact, there are over 600 laws under the Mosaic Covenant including:
• Death to anyone who works on the Sabbath
• No wearing clothes made of two fabrics
• No eating pork, shrimp, lobster, or catfish
• No tattoos
• No cutting hair or trimming beard on men
• Death penalty for adultery
• Death penalty for cursing parents
• Aliens must be welcomed and treated with respect
• Every 50 years all the property is redistributed equally
I cannot imagine too many Americans, even evangelical Christians wanting to commit to all the laws of Moses, yet Paul writes in Galatians 5:3 “…to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.â€�

http://www.crossleft.org/?q=node/1493


'jesus' put forth simply two and on that I found this interesting and very insightful selection from a sermon ( on loving god and your neighbor.)

Whom do I have to love
- Jews, Samaritans, gentiles, friends, enemies, Taliban terrorists? The Good
Samaritan expands the definition and then turns the question around to ask,
whose neighbor are you? Later in the New Testament, John writes that loving
God and neighbor are inseparable. There is no vertical apart from horizontal.
God is your neighbor, like it or not, and you can not sit around thinking that love
can go up but not out. You might be able to BELIEVE there is a God and still
hate your neighbor, but you cannot LOVE God with your whole being and do that.
http://www.dcpc.org/sermons/keeping_our_balance.pdf

how true.


and if as one said the old laws are void in the new testament than so goes out the window the arguement many have against homosexuals . sounds logical unless of course you still need religion as a vehicle to advance hate.

Say now that you are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO willing to poke fun at another faiths RULES...wanna see me take a POP at your chrsitian rules??

Cuz trust me I CAN....you bet your a*** I can...and do what you have just done...show disrespect for another faith...then curl up in a lil corner crying..why wont anyone respect our loving faith ohh why but see I WONT stoop to your level...I have good morals of my own

For crying out load................people can be so ignorant and silly..they read where is says SATAN and that must mean EVIL...fEcks sake at least look up their faith and READ it for yourself BEFORE you go a mocking

you know sweet FA about that faith..............use the brain that God gave you..and look it up..before you mock

but dont worry as long as you aint mocking a chrsitian faith..its ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL GOOD!!

Yeaa hairston..I am so surprized at you for thinking thaphantum is funny lol...you of all people I respected you hairston..cuz I thought you had brains and morals of your own..................you sure can prove a person WRONG!!!


Try looking up what theiur faith is all about before you put it down


There is nothing I hate more, than a bunch of people sitting poking fun at another faith......................yet these same folks want us ALL to show them respect for their faith.......................but hey you guys are all chrsitians, so that makes it OK to mock and yap at another faith, and you dont all give a crap that there might be people using this board who may belong to that church..noooo so what if they are on UM..bugger to them...they aint chrsitian..we see the word SATAN and we POUNCE...look at us are we so SMART!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yo people look it up

I'll help you..and read it..

Satanism, as viewed by Satanists, etc.:
Satanism consists of many religious traditions, comprising two main faith groups and many smaller religious groups:

The Church of Satan is the largest organization of religious Satanists. They regard Satan as a pre-Christian concept, representing pleasure, virility, and strength; he is not viewed as a living entity. Their prime symbol is the Sigil of Baphomet. This is a goat's head, drawn within an inverted pentagram (5-pointed star with one point downward and two up). It is surrounded by a circle. Satanists conduct rituals by themselves, and/or meet together in grottos.
The Temple of Set worships Satan in the form of a pre-Christian deity -- the Egyptian god Set. Their prime symbol is a simple inverted pentagram in a circle. They meet in temples.
The behavioral code followed by almost all Satanists was written by Aleister Crowley: "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." It permits Satanists great freedom of action. Some engage in black magic rituals with the goal of harming those who have hurt them. Turning the other cheek is not their style.

found here --> http://www.religioustolerance.org/wic_sata.htm

Some of their beliefs and practices are:

They do not worship a living deity.
Major emphasis is placed on the power and authority of the individual Satanist, rather than on a god or goddess.
They believe that "no redeemer liveth" - that each person is their own redeemer, fully responsible for the direction of their own life.
"Satanism respects and exalts life. Children and animals are the purest expressions of that life force, and as such are held sacred and precious..." 2

There are probably fewer than 10,000 religious Satanists in North America. The best known Satanic organization is the Church of Satan. Associated with the CoS are many local grottos. CoS membership is kept secret within the group. 9 Many Satanists prefer to work alone as solitary practitioners.

Found here --> What really iis the church of Satan?

If you do that..then you may have a different view ...

Something just struck me..and I see it as a FACT not a belief but a fact


Chrsitians NEED SATAN....OHH YES THEY SO NEED HIM
Think about it

If chrsitians didnt have SATAN..then what tool would they use to try and get people to convert and give themselves to Jesus??

Where would the non christians go if they didnt follow their belief?? cuz lets face it..they wouldn't be going to HELL thats for sure,...cuz without ole Satan..hell doesnt exist

hence the reason Christians are only too glad to have Satan..hence their famous slogans - Flatter Jesus or burn..........turn or burn..well folks if there was no satan..no need for the turn or burn crap!!
Dont deny it people LMAO

As for me..I believe Satan is MADE UP..he was created by the religious man in order to scare others into following God.........

Kinna like what some parents do to scare their kids out of misbehaving..tell them if they dont behave, the boggy man will get them...sad I know, but some do this...

Satan is one of the greatest inventions of all time...............the best tool used to scare folks into following God


*waits to see if someone rants at BM for saying Satan dont exist lmao*

Not going to rant, I'm going to agree my dear. (But then again I have a huge belief that God is probably made up too)

I see what you mean LMAO..God used as a tool to stray you away from Satan LMAO

But I dont care if anyone thinks God is made up..i just believe in God..and I dont ever wish ANYONE to follow my lead and follow God like I do..WHY?..........cuz im greedy thats why?? I see something working good for me..do you think I want others to benifit from it?? hey im being honest

Im the opposite to the chrsitians that like to spread Gods word..........they would love people more and more to join them.............ME - I see my way is working due to my own experiences..and im a greedy cow..so why would I want y'all to follow me..nuts to that..get your own faith

I agree BM. Satan is a tool and without him CHristianity couldn't exist. I think he's a hold over from polytheism, he is like a demigod after all! And God doesn't seem to have any power over him.

Yeaa so they should be thankful for this so called Satan LMAO..instead of making fun of the church of satan.................PRAISE IT LMAO YOU NEED SATAN LIKE IT OR LUMP IT

You really make me chuckle.

Hee hee its true though..........its like...finding a way to get rich FAST...now are you going to want to show others how you did it?? SCREW THAT CRAP LMAO..why should I ask people to follow God my way...it works so good for me and me alone...............and if thats makes me greedy im a greedy cow and proud of it..............so yea go get your OWN faith har har har

Oh please can I deny it. Plllllllllllllease I think Christianity could exist without the devil. Hell exists as separation from God. Satan is not needed for this separation. Oh, Satan exists, according to Christian belief, but I'd argue that he need not exist for Chrsitianity to exist. But the point is, that Satan does exist (again, according to Christian belief). Maybe this would make a good thread somewhere down the line if someone's interested in starting it, but it would be going far off topic to answer in more detail than this.

God has supreme control over Satan. Unlike many views of Satan, God is in fact in control of everything Satan does. There is nothign that Satan cannot do unless God permit it. Ever read Job? Satan had to ask permission from God before doing anything to Job.

So Satan isn't allowed to do evil stuff? So, if Satan wants to be nasty how does he get around God? I'm assuming he does, or he wouldn't be an evil little Satan... he'd just be a bored little Satan playing all by himself.

I thought it was Satan who tries to inspire wickedness in us. What about "it's the work of Satan!"... an accusation hurled at an erotic painting I once produced and unwisely revealed for public inspection during a Christian meeting. What does "it's the work of Satan!" mean then?

If things are the work of Satan, how does he manage to do this stuff?

I am a bit befuddled now. Never paid much attention to Satan, as I don't believe in the hell concept, or the Satan one. But he's fascinating all the same.

^The simple answer - God allows Satan to do it. I never said Satan isn't allowed to do evil stuff. He does evil. But he also is limited in that he can only do so insofar as God allows it to continue. Yes, this brings up a whole range of theological questions ("why doesn't God stop satan" is the most obvious - but it would take us too far off topic discuss the matter here, and will probably skew the discussion for pages on end). I'm just saying what the Bible says about it.

I have suddenly become very interested in this fellow. It's a funny thing, but I have an image of the Christian God in my mind... I have never had a clear image of Satan. And to be honest I hadn't noticed. Poor chap, I totally left him out. I hope someone starts a clever thread about him now.

LMAO PA you crack me up....if you guys didnt need satan..why use him as a way to try and scare others into following your path of Jesus?? come on pluuueessseeee

why say..you will burn in hell if you dont follow and accept Jesus...WHY?? I'll tell you why...cuz you need to..Satan is the very tool that you need to try and convince you that you will burn if you dont obey God

Now if you believe that satan is NOT NEEDED...prove it....tell me where will I go if I dont follow Jesus?? what would happen if I turn my back on God?? come on PA ttell me

this I wanna see LOL...and when you answer..i'll keep it...handy

Yea I agree chrsitianity can exist without satan...but ummm how else can one make someone else believe that there is a punishment waiting on them if they dont turn to Jesus??

Can you tell me how chrsitianity could exist without satan??...if you can...I for one want to from now on see you post about your beliefs and not mention satan once....bet you cant though LMAO you have to believe Satan exists

Lets face it.................if God is more powerful than Satan...then why let satan exist??...this is a shot in the dark..but could it be the same reasons as to WHY you guys use him to SCARE others into following God?? WHAT??

I would PAY to see a chrsitian faith say we dont have a satan...only god...no hell exists........love to see how the faith would work...id pay to see that

says the woman who calls God a murderer... says the Bible is wrong... and says our God condones child abuse...

but yet you embrace a set of rules that promotes harming individuals if they happen to get on your nerves...

not only are Christians bashed all day everyday... but you have the nerve to get mad because i put your beliefs on blast...

i guess we know who the true hypocrites are... lol...

i wonder why a lot of practicing satanists don't practice rule #1...



wow... does that apply to little kids too?



what exactly is "the" mating signal? is it a wink? a kiss? rubbing of the head? that's very open ended and can be interpreted in any way shape or form...



so if i know someone who complains about gas prices... and they drive a hummer... i have the right to take it?



wouldn't that involve getting on a forum and arguing with Christians? they certainly don't have to get on here...



but does this rule still apply in the face of rule #4 or #11?



why not? according to rule #2 and #11 you can kill people just for annoying you...



what if they follow the same rule and your presence bothers them... do they have the right to destroy you? or your kid? or your wife? etc...?



funny how some people will bash the Bible... yet they find this garbage acceptable... but what i find rediculous is that they don't think they are worshiping satan...

if it turns out that satan DOES exist... what are you going to say? "we were just kidding... we didn't think he was real." LMAO

by the way... i reposted it because i'm waiting for a legitimate answer...

you guys bash the 10 commandments all day everyday... you guys bash the Bible and the Christian belief in general... all the time... so feel free to explain to me why some of you are so accepting of a list of rules that encourages people to destroy people for getting on their nerves...

i really can't wait to hear this one...

Firstly, unlike popular belief, satan won't be ruling in Hell over the condemned souls. He will in fact be imprisoned himself - sent to a place of torment (only Satan and the False Prophet are ever ascribed to going to this place of torment - Revelation shows that everyone else goes to a completely separate place). That said, I have never told anyone that they will burn in hell simply because I don't believe that hell is a place of fiery torment (many other Christians will say the same to you, BM). Satan isn't the ruler of Hell, he'll be the prime prisoner.

I maintain that Satan is not needed for hell to exist, regardless of what interpretation of scripture you put on to it.

Are you always this silly?? or are you just making an effort for my sake??

Since when did I ever say God is a murderer?? I have been KNOWN to say MAN wrote it MAN protrayed god to be a killer.................hence the reason WHY I dont believe in it all

now back to where I was supposed to have said this?? do tell...

ohh wait I get it now...I dont agree with your beliefs..so shame on me..I should be like you and do all what you do...I shouldnt follow my own heart and do what I wanna do...yea that sums up your post

Where does - turn or burn come from PA??

why is it used.....................a lot??

what is needed for HELL to exist??

Satan isnt a ruler of hell lol..who is then??............ why do people believe he has evil powers?? if he is not that powerful..then umm why must he get blamed on anything evil that happens...hey he was even blamed for tempting eve lol...if he is a prisioner in hell...ummmmmmmm normally prisioners dont get free to do diddly with the free world...so explain to me how satan can??

or you going to tell me that GOD rules him?? so IF (plz note I said IF) you do.......then why would God RULE satan?? whats the point?? why not rid of satan?? but see I think God may need satan to scare people to follow him...makes more sense..and I believe you are only saying this...afer all a non chrsitian claiming religious people NEED satan nooooooooooo way LOL

I belive you all need satan...cuz I cant see it going anywhere with the use of satan to scare others...........

Bingo! Think about it like this: going on a Christian belief, God knows everything. From that angle, it's safe to say that God knows the outcome of His "war" with evil; Revelations tells us as much. With this in mind, God's knowlege transcends time, therefore He knows what's going to happen, and who's going to do what. Now, if God knows all this, then He knew that Lucifer would "betray" Him and fall. Safe to say that, knowing this, God 'let it happen' for His own intent and purpose. So, it was God's plan for Lucifer to take up arms against Him and become his adversary. If this is true, then knowing His supreme power over Lucifer, God's created His own adversary with which to 'struggle' against in a bid for ??? Now we're on about God's plan, and that's another topic altogether.

Try reading Anne Rice's "Memnoch the Devil". It might help get you understand my train of thought.

Leviticus 19:29 "Do not prostitute your daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness."

Still looking for you.

Great find Texas...I think that should be placed somewhere in the bible..made loud and clear for all to see, after all man has managed to work around the text of the bible many times...I think maybe this time, someone should say STOP..look at these issues and make it clear, because we as chrsitians do not believe it is ok for a woman or a man to be sexually abused...further more anyone that does this to a child is committing a great sin

Maybe re-wording it?? I dunno...but I think it should be done.........cuz I believe that chrsitians, those who are true to themselves and to their families...would agree that, sexual abuse to child or adult is so wrong...just like murder is so wrong...

Texas I do appreciate you doing this for me...you have been most helpful so far (((hugs)))

Its a pity there was no great lchrsitian leader that someone could write to about making this clear in the bible??

'Tis true... BM doesn't claim that God is a murderer.

There is a God outside of the Christian Bible... although it seems hard for some to comprehend the possibility... who does not kill anyone.

Satan isn't in hell, because there IS NO HELL. There is Sheol and prisonhouses however. Who rules them? GOD DOES. As for God needing satan, well no, but satan like all angels fallen or not WORK FOR GOD. Theyarethe Benai Elohim, the Sons of God.

As forthe person who said there's more than 10 commandments there indeed are, there are 613 which the Jewish call Mitzvahs and that is what Jewish people live by.

I think it has to do with what version I read. I am partial to the King James, but some other versions, I forget what they're called, NEW TRANSLATION, or something maybe, they speak a little more plain english-ey. I think the easier to read versions probably are a result of people not understanding the English used in KJV. KJV is written in a dialect that no one speaks anymore, it's not surprising that it's hard to follow. I like it only because it's what I learned to read the Bible in, and so to read newer versions means I have to stop and translate in my head all the time, and it gives me a headache. You might like to read one of newer translations, you would probably enjoy it, I'm sure if that's what I had started out on, I would enjoy it and still be on it. Thanks for the hug! *Hugs Ger back*

Like in ALL plain english??

Ohh I KNOW..but see he knows fine well BM here has NEVER classed God as a murder...he only says that, cuz he doesnt like the idea of me not agreeing with his bible..this gets to him...so heck, he'll say anything..thinking everyone here is silly and would believe it...lil does he know that the regulars here KNOW me and KNOW what i believe in and what I dont believe in..................the only difference is..the ones that know me..respect my beliefs and i do theirs.....thaphantum seems to think..if you BM don't agree with the bible..damn you..you arent entitled to have those beliefs of yours ...how dare you BM grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

you said the God of the Bible is a murderer... and that's who Christians believe in... so put two and two together...



actually, we Chritians believe the Bible was devinely inspired... but you consitently post... everywhere that the Bible is man made and "give God more credit than that" ... you say that EVERYTIME you reference parts of the Bible where God does something objectionable to your opinion of what you THINK He should do...

so you are actually saying shame on us for believing God would do what the Bible claims He did... is that correct?

if not... please enlighten me as to what you mean every time you make those statements in reference to the Christian faith...

I asked you to PROVE THIS..cuz everyone else KNOWS I have NEVER uttered those words...do you always lie or a force of habbit

now make with the proof or else stay out of my face

your choice

And where have I said SHAME on a chrsitian for believing in it..LMAO man you are tooooooooo much LMAo

grow up

actually i know what you believe... and really don't care if you believe what i do...

second... you disrespect our Book anytime you get a chance, but you cry foul if someoene says something back...

case and point... IAM's Son... yesterday... you were in on the comment about him being intollerant... even though he was ASKED his opinion on something... then he gave it... and as soon as he does... you and the others with your Bible bashing and anti Christian agenda call him intollerant... when in fact... SOME of you are the one's who are truly intollerant...

i guess the thing that people were PMing to me about you when i first got here are indeed true... lol...

by the way... you don't have as many Christian friends or non Christian friends as you THINK you do...

oh and i don't think everyone here is silly... just YOU...

i actually have some respect for most of the other people... you just fly off the handle whenever someone says something to the contrary to what you believe... but it's no biggie if you do it...

I have chrsitian friends...and non chrsitian friends...hey who was the 1st to ask BM to puthhim on her friends list hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lemme see..its coming to me........aha YOU by any chance LMAO

not once have you been able to prove any of these so called lies you made up..not once can you prove any of them..but you keep telling yorself BM is this and that...maybe someone might agree with you...LMAO dont hold your breath

if you want to debate with me like an adult..I suggest you learn to act like one...Im not intrested in your childish games

sorry lol

I think so, although I admit that I am not hugely familiar with these newer versions. But, for example this is Proverbs 22:12 in what's called the New International Version (NIV).

12 The eyes of the LORD keep watch over knowledge,
but he frustrates the words of the unfaithful.

And then here goes the same verse in my King James Verson:

"The eyes of the Lord preserve knowledge, and He overthrows the words of the transgressor."

They are slight differences, the meaning is not changed, it's just using words that are more common now to us, and have the same meaning as the words used then. So you can instantly understand the meaning, instead of having to look up unfamiliar words and then go back and put it together, which can be time-consuming. And I know that mamas with babies, appreciate things that are not more complicated than they have to be, just for time issues. Because we never have enough time

Here's the link to the NIV online if you want it.

http://www.biblegateway.com/

I'll look around, there may be even less complicated versions than that one.

Im taking that link...wow so many versions...I noticed there was an english standard version
And for some odd reason...when i was going on a trip to FLA...my mom asked me to get her the NEW American Standard version.....im like whats the difference??

both speak same languague dont they??

but I got her hte americain version anyhoo...I honestly didnt think they had chrsitian book stores in Orlando...i recall telling Gary on the way over on the plane...........my mom asked me to get her an american standard bible..ha ha lil does she know, im going to a tourist location in Florida..i doubt there will be chrsitian book stores..so heres what we will do...take the usual bibles that hotels put by your bedsides and sneak her that one instead...if she says anything, tell she wanted American bible...she got one..hee hee then later................DUN DUN DUN...the 1st mall we pulled over to, in Orlando..walked inside and there was this great big chrsitian book store...I was like --> blimey there is actually one here...and as I cant lie to my mom...I had to go in anf buy her one.....I paid $42 for it..and no more...its a bible..and $42 is enough to spend on a book me thinks...but i told my mom I paid $50 -(approx £24) - and gave her it as a present...she was over joyed...LOL ad there wa me thinking..a bible is a bible LOL

ok... lets start on your BLATENT disrespect of the Bible and Born Again Christians



were you trying to invoke an argument by bashing our belief in certain parts of the Bible that refer to an adversary?

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...1854&st=105 post #113



more taunting from you towards Christians

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...1854&st=105 post #117



here you are taunting PA and every other Christian... about something they believe... even though every Christian doesn't use satan to convert people... further more PA responded to your taunt... and you completely ignored what he said... unless you responded in a PM

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...1854&st=120 post #124



here you go again... poking fun at and being sarcastic about a main part of the Christian faith... a subject you obviously know nothing about... since one cannot be born a Christian... just like one can not be born a professional basketball player just because their dad is in the NBA and their mother the WNBA...

by the way... you don't have to go to Bible study or even church to be a Christian...

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...91903&st=15 post #30



fair enough... but lets look at how YOU believe God is portrayed in the Bible...

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...91903&st=75 post #89



i bolded a few things that you say specifically about an event that both Jews and Christians believe to be a MAJOR foundation of both faiths...

quite the interesting rant... all because you don't understand WHY this happened...

may i ask what you meant when you said "screw that crap"

were you referring to Moses?
were you referring to what Christians and Jews believe to be an important event in both faiths?

what exactly did you mean? please share...

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...=91968&st=0 post #14



i'll let everyone form their own opinions about that comment

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...91968&st=15 post #16



that was your response to Supra Sheri saying God and Hitler were cast from the same mold

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...91968&st=15 post #20



you're welcome to your opinion... but is an insult necessary every time you respond to a post about the Bible... especially when the conversation was between Airika and Goddess Whispers... you just jumped int toss that insult out..

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...91968&st=15 post #28



again i've bolded a few parts where you bash the Bible and people who believe it...
the Bible doesn't make God out to be a killer... your lack of understanding does...

source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...91968&st=30 post #35

well... that's all i'm posting for the moment... you told me to put up or shut up... so there it is for you and everyone else to read...

some of your Bible bashing and Christian bashing... all in one place...

so the next time we hear BM cry about Christians being intollerant... and people not respecting her beliefs... we can always refer back to this post and look at how she RESPECTS (sarcastic) the beliefs of others...

[And you STILL fail to show where I BASH...to BASH meaning to show hate and act ignorant ..but see you have just SHOWN how me asking questions...saying I belive chrsitian need satan is bashing....LMAO yes i belive religious people ie chrsirian need satan...its a belif not some kind of name calling LMAO...I gave my reasons as to WHYYYY...but see you would call that bashing...and you are the only one that would

And I LOVE how you pointed out how I havent said God was a murderer..thank you so much for proving me right again...I have said many times God is NOT a killer I refuse to belive in that crap..its crap to me cuz I dont belive in it....say thaphantum...if you didnt belive in it and said it sounded crap to you..then ummm are you bad?? PULLEASSSEEE

You still fail to point out real bashing...get serious...you take up my QUESTIONS and call that bashing......there was me thinking you have taken soooooooooo long and look still nothing

brief look


Yea I looked at it...and saw me expressing what I BELIEVE..and YES I WONT HIDE THAT FACT..ffrom no one...if its OK for you and others to express YOUR beliefs then it should be OK for me and others like me to EXPRESS WHAT WE BELIVE..in this case ME...I do belive strongly in that..I do belive they need satan..I gave my points as to WHY...and asked more questions why turn or burn??? if satan is not needed..then why say this???? I think its a fair enough question..and im fully entitled to say so

next..


I WAS a chrsitian for many years...A catholic..but wait that might not count in your book...so I can see WHY you would say I HAVE NO RIGHTS...yeaa sure .....tell me then..who has rights on this board to post up what they believe in??? only those that follow your way??? I notice you LOVE to agree with me.....when I take a stand for chrsitians there you are with the ---> ...but the sec I express MY belief OMG NOOO DONT BM HOW DARE YOU

moving along


I LOVE THIS ONE...thanks for this..................yes lets look how BM is not a beliver in a bible.....lets look at her and push her down for not beliving ...she has not been afraid to express her beliefs before thaphantum came stringing along NOOO but wait...he has arrived and once tried to claim and COMPLAIN as to WHY SKEPTICS POST HERE...why why why? say thaphantum...why must you all post here...no fair........................thats how it is...everyone here will express their belifs like it or not...if you dont want a skeptics view..ignore it.............SIMPLE

I dont follow a bible and after how you have treated me for it...WHY would I want to ??? if I turn out anyhting like you..no thanks...


AGAIN you FAIL to show me where I have actually said God is a killer..or like what you lied about before..God is a murderer...you still have yet to show this...sigh...you wont be able to either

I dont belive God is a killer..I believe man has made him out to look like one...hence the reason for me NOT following the bible.....now show me where it reads...A MEMBER MUST BELIEVE AND FOLLOW THE BIBLE OR ELSE GET LOST??


Ohh for crying out loud he pulls up a post slams me for it and then decides to ask me what??

I was stating what i believe..and how I dont believe in the story.............where do you get this whole what christians and Jews believe from??? I really dont kknow why you say that...cuz not once did I slam them for beleiving in the story..I say each to their own

and you know it..but love how you like to twist someones words....cuz you know fine well you will get off scot free on here for doing it

nice try but all you have done is get at me for NOT BELIEVING IN YOUR BIBLE.....listen up...if i havent been afraid to express my beliefs towards the bible in the past...why should I sit here and explain myself to someone that picks stuff out and makes up his own crap from it??? hmmmmmmmmm??

to save you all the trouble in future..Ill state my beliefs again....................I DONT believe in bible stories...I see it as trash...WHY??? cuz how man protrays God...ive said it for over a year on here
Guess what?? someone pointed something out to me..when I said it sounds HARSH to tell someone they are going to hell for not following Jesus.........its their beliefs.......................this is MY beleifs....may sound wrong to you...but if you dont like it tough..


This board is full of non believers get used to it...you pm'd me last night..asking ever so kindly...BM why do you not believe in the bible??? I was kind enough to tell you as quick as possible............then SLAM SLAM BIBLE IN MY FACE..I had to put you on ignore you wouldnt stop...you meant to pm me to make me think you where all so tolerant...just like the threads you make...asking people to show you proof god dont exist..then you jump on each one ...want me to drag up EVERY LAST DISRESPECTFUL POST YOU HAVE THROWN AT A NON BELIEVER??? CUZ I CAN

long story short... you have referred to the Bible as "crap" "trash" and "bullsh**"

you have trashed the God of the Bible and Christians... saying we portray Him as a "copy cat killer" "mindless and evil" and the list continues...

if that's not bashing... what is?

i've never seen a single Christian here refer to your personal beliefs as any of the above... not even me....

and by the way... i agree with you when i think your point of view coincides with mine... that's usually the only time people agree... nobody says they agree when they have the opposite opinion on the matter...

and by the way... i don't comment every time you say something i don't agree with... only when you call Christians intollerant because they don't agree with your point of view...

yes... please do pull up all my posts... because as soon as people read what i post... they will see that EVERY SINGLE one of my posts is in a response to:

1) a question that has been asked
2) an insult that has been thrown at me, Christians, or the Bible...

i challenge you to pull up just ONE single post... other than the satanic rules... where i threw the first insult... (i didn't even throw the first one there)
so Becky... please do... and please pull up one example of a conversation where i refer to someone else religion as "crap" "trash" or "bullsh**" other than the satanic rules... i called them garbage
i freely admit to bashing those...

and since you keep ACUSING me of bashing Catholics... pull up some of that for me to... and i'm not talking about the post that you misunderstood...

so i'll be waiting for you to make one post where i instigated the situation... i'm sure the only one you come up with is... my post about atheist providing proof...

so do your worst...

edited:
do me a favor and point out where you asked a single legitimate question in all of those statements i pulled out... because i don't see a single legitimate question... maybe i missed it... mostly i see taunting and passing judgement...

What's the point? I can see you went to a great deal of effort to look up BM's posts, but at the end of the day, why bother?

Nobody wants to read a load of posts