While I sat on my lunch hour in work, I opened up The Sun newpaper and center pages was about the most evil religious sect in the world...a reporter for the Sun..reveled...(the brits on here will know what famous newpaper I am talking about...if you are a guy brit..page 3 would ring a bell lol)...I have posted pics from these people before...............for those of you that thought, they where tampered with paintshop...take a closer look....

By EMMA COX
March 30, 2007


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THEIR young children go on marches waving placards that read: "Thank God for 9/11".

Members openly admit that the thought of an outsider being hit by a car or dying of cancer makes them laugh.

Their hatred is targeted at a massive range of people including gays, Jews, soldiers, the Irish, anyone who has sex outside marriage, and SWEDES.

But the most scary aspect of this cult is that, far from being an isolated community, its followers hold down normal jobs, mix with normal people and send their children to normal schools.

Welcome to the Westboro Baptist Church, the most evil religious sect in the world.

The group, established in the 1950s by ordained Right-wing Christian extremist Pastor Fred Phelps , are the subject of a new film by TV documentary-maker Louis Theroux.

*see link for more information*

Source - http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2001320...7140814,00.html


Westboro Baptist Church
The Westboro Baptist Church is a hate group masquerading as a Christian church. Led by Fred Phelps, members of this church target homosexuals with messages of hate.

The group’s extremist views and despicable behavior mark it as a cult of Christianity
How various religions and denominations view homosexuality
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/17862/west...-baptist-church (most hated family in America)

yep, they are extremists as bad as any muslim extremist.

They teach their children to hate others, and do so in the name of their god.

Funny isn't it, how they can get their teachings from the same book that others use to spread peace.

Funny you should say that JMPD...

Read this...

The Most Evil People in the World

By Doug Soderstrom, Ph.D.

04/17/06 "ICH" -- -- I have come to the conclusion that the Christian fundamentalists, also known as the religious right, are the most evil people in the world. Others (such as those of various Islamic terrorist groups) were considered, but after due consideration, the Christians won……. hands down. In fact it was no contest.

However, in order to support my assertion that those of the religious right are such a nasty crew, it is necessary that I clarify what I believe it means to be evil. The minimal test of evil is, of course, one of awareness, an intent, an abject willingness to be malicious, a willingness to go out of one’s way to harm others, a lack of concern for the welfare of another person, an unwillingness to place one’s self into that of another’s shoes, a grudging reluctance to acknowledge the pain one may have caused another. Such is bad, but not as bad as having slipped to the point of having become psychically blind, effectively unable to face up to what one has done. Such is more depraved since it represents a loss of integrity, an existential unwillingness to take responsibility for one’s behavior. And, of course, worst of all are those who go to the extreme of regarding themselves to be shining examples, paragons of how to live a good and decent life, while having chosen to disregard the fact that they have lived life in such a despicable manner. And as we will see, the Christian fundamentalists seem to exemplify such folks at the apogee of evil, the nadir of civilized life, in that they preach to the world while yet living the life of a barbarian!

All of the great religions of the world indicate that we should strive to treat others as we would like for them to treat us, in essence suggesting that we follow the Golden Rule. However, considering this the gold standard for how we ought to live our lives, it is quite clear that Christian fundamentalists have missed the mark! Regardless of all the wonderful things they have claimed to have done for the world, it is apparent that the fundamentalists have been unable to live up to the most minimal standards for that of a decent life, almost as if they have gone out of their way to “cast a speck out of their neighbor’s eye, while refusing to recognize the enormity of the plank in that of their own.” With no apology, nor even a hint of remorse, they continue on their way running roughshod over others, with little or no concern for how their victims might feel. Rather than caring for others, disregard and disrespect has become that which defines them as a people.

More - Christian extremists V's Muslim extremists

That is an absolute shame

Yes indeed these particular believers are what put "Institution" back in institutionalized thinking.
Do a "Youtube" search and you'll find a huge selection of psycho's on film. I'm fond of this one myself. Now if only she were sterile, it would be a perfect future.

This is daddy's girl.

Just another sect of crazy selfrightous, ignorants who use the word of God to condone and spread their beliefs. No different from the KKK the Jesus camps or the Iquisitors or any other sect from the past. There is a special place in Hell for these types.

I believe you summed it up right there bud, they don't get this stuff from nowhere. These people know the Bible likely better and more thoroughly than almost any Christian you have ever met. Why? Because they don't cherry pick, they take the bad verses too. They're just evil enough to accept them.

But would they accept them if those verses were not first there, to inspire this hatred in the hearts and minds of people that actually have faith, by being this depraved, they're pleasing to god?

These are the same kinds of people that thought the inquisition was a good thing. And would support it if it were to return again. Fundamentalism. Some people choose to highlight the fun, while some aspire to the mental. Can you imagine their world view, when they're so full of hate for so many living here!?

What they do is take what they want from the Bible and twist it to their needs. If the Bible became unusable or even proven agianst them then they would just change religions or better yet make their own or re-write or write their own holy book. This group has nothing to do with Christianity. It has to do with their selfrightious goals. Many throughout history used religions and holy books like Christianity and the Bible the same way. Basicly They are not Christian since they down size Christ's position as King and Judge and take it themselves. The Bible which they read accually critises their actions and beliefs. Christ warned of such and deemed them false prophets of him and his father's Word. If these types knew the Bible so well they would know this but their selfrightousness blinds them to a fault.

One thing that has never been condoned by Christ is hate. When you hate someone you are obviously not loving them or caring for them. Hate is truly the most dispicable four letter word spoken and the true downfall of all.

Don't they say "thank god for dead ____" and "God was passing judgment", etc.?

ONCE AGAIN, they are not pulling this out of the sky. The Bible says God will mentally and physically torture, burn, agonize, kill, and send to hell; the people who deny him. I will very gladly show you scriptures that confirm every last bit of that. Christianity is very easily the most evil religion in the world, these people are just evil enough to wholly accept it.

They sound pretty much like good christians to me.

Though... Soldiers, Swedes and the Irish they hate? What is that all about?

i have to agree with you on that... to bad that some people think that this is what all Christians believe...

i for one don't agree with what they are teaching...

in my opinion... war is war and everyone dies... regardless of what you believe in.. they are just ignorant and obviously not Christian... as you said dave... even Jesus clearly stated that many false teachers and prophets would come in His name...

Are they claiming to be Jesus or prophets? They even feel unsure as to whether they'll get into heaven or not!

These must be some pretty saintly people in this group! With their talking with God and all and knowing how he will judge. Damn quite the bunch I must say! And please do! I insist. By the way no nit picking verses and chapters to prove a point! Please I see enough of that allready. Also no web searches. If you cant pick up an actuall Bible and find them and write them yourself then I have no need to read what you write. I have read enough re-written scripture put out by Christian hating and Christian fundamentalist websites to make me sick.

That just proves that they know the truth and that what they are doing is not sactioned or condoned by the Bible or Christ himself. Like I said earlier their selfrightousness blinds them.

i think i'll take you up on that... show me the scripture...

and since you're so familiar with the Bible... how did you miss this...

"Whoever mocks the poor reproaches his Maker, and he who is glad at calamity shall not be held innocent or go unpunished." Proverbs 17:5

"Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: Lest the Lord see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him." Proverbs 24:17-18

what part of that says it's ok for those people to do what they are doing? that seems to be the exact opposite of what you just says the Bible teaches...

nope... they are false teachers doing evil work... but claiming that they are doing the work of Christ...

Absolutely disgusting....

Are you trying to say I source my information about the Bible from what other people say?

My friend, I grew up immersed in fundamentalist Christianity, memorizing scriptures, making goals to read the whole Bible, and subsequently actually doing so. I'm not some bandwagon atheist who knows about as much about the Bible as he does the Qu'ran.. I've experienced Christianity firsthand and more so than 90% of Christians in this Country. I am not blindly speaking out against something I don't understand.

So, without further ado, I will let you read all of these in your personal favorite translation Bible. These verses all show god murdering, torturing, or destroying humans, or threaten humans with hell.

And I would like to point out, that obviously the people who have "done evil" or "have the mark of the beast" are those who are not Christian. And the Bible claims that as God is torturing these people, nobody decides to say "okay god you were right". I wonder, if Jehovah is not an angry god, why does the bible describe "God's wrath"?

Revelation 9:1-6
Revelation 9:18
All of Revelation 16
Genesis 19:24-29
Matthew 25:41/25:46
Matthew 5:22
John 5:28-29
Matthew 8:12

And there are many more. To say that the Bible does not claim non-believers will be sent to hell (a place of eternal torment) by God, is ignoring what the Bible itself claims.



Thaphantum, when the Bible says one thing and then another it is a contradiction. The verse that fits your view does not invalidate the verse that is ugly. You simply contain a lack of neutrality, and place more importance in the verses that fit your "Christianity is good" view of the Bible. I can understand that that scripture contradicts all the delight God clearly takes in punishing humans and how he is always ready to destroy something and.. cause calamity if they are not in line.

Although these folks are a disgusting bunch of bigots that hate everyone and need a big boot to the butt; the good news is that they are just a very local small group that are attention whores and for the most part part of an extended family. There aren't that many of them but the ones they have are so insane that they grab a lot of media attention. Even the most conservative christian groups dislike them...

what's very interesting is that in all of your verses that you put... it actually shows God's grace and love for mankind...
Rev. 9:1-6
the reason they don't die is because God is giving them a chance to repent...

Matthew 25:41 & 46
the consequences are clear... that's like being mad at the judge if you go to jail because you choose to break the law... it's your fault... not the judges...

Matthew 5:28-29
is good advice... it's basically saying... do away with the things that keep you straying in your walk with God... i don't see any death, killing, or torture in those 2 verses...

Matthew 8:12
again... it never implies torture... just being cast into outter darkness...

John 5:28-29
just basically says that they go to hell... nothing that implies torture....

Rev. 9:18
this happens only after God gives them 5 months to repent... but what i find very interesting is that someone said earlier... in another thread that if God gave proof of His existance... everyone would instantly follow Him... but here, obviously they still want to do evil and enjoy doing so... after a 5 month warning 1/3 of them is wiped out...

Rev. 16
God still gives them another chance to repent... and people decide they are going to go to war against God... lol... so guess what happens when you try to stop a tank with a bb gun...

Gen. 19:24-29
God offered to spare the entire city if He could find just 10 righteous people in the city... so He sends the angels... not only are the people wicked... but they are so evil that they turned down virgins that were offered to them... because they wanted to rape the 2 men that were new to the city...

maybe you're ok with a city full of people who want to rape every traveler that passes through... in our society... they would be locked up for rape... but maybe you think rape is ok?

Well said phantum.....

I'm talking about the barbarism God displays in the Bible. And it's extremely funny, your commentary on Rev 9:1-6.. It literally says God will torture them and their agony will be like when a scorpion strikes a man's flesh, they will wish for death but not recieve it, and you're calling that an act of mercy? That's torture, it is utter torture.

And hell is an implication of torture. It is described as eternal suffering. Intended prolonged suffering is what torture is, we're talking intended suffering FOREVER. And what does God consider an offense worthy of torture? Not bowing to him. If you don't bow to God, if you don't do everything he says, you are deserving of eternal agony and suffering. That's what the Bible is saying. That is communism, When you can not allow people to disagree with you, it is communism. I can understand that with human intelligence.

actually if you read the verse... God doesn't torture them... He allows demonic creatures to come out and do whatever they want... except kill people...
they will wish for death... but God will not allow it because they still have a chance to repent... in which case they can still go to heaven...



no... hell only implies a seperation from God... maybe there is torture going on... maybe not... maybe the pain and agony of hell is from being seperated from God... maybe it's from a deep regret of the decisions that you have made throughout your life...

Yes those do describe how you will be sent to Hell and how people will get there and the tourturous time the judgement of Revelation will be. What all those chapters do point out is between the verses you have posted is that salvation is just around the corner. For example in Revelation Men shall seek death and it shall not be given to them. But what about forgivness and salvation? They did not ask for such now did they?

I think we disscused such in one of my topics before were I asked you if God came in the flesh would you still not believe in him. And I believe you answered I would be a fool not to. If a man does vile things throught his life and never corrects or changes his way from such he will be judged as such. Everyone is forgivable. No one is beyond salvation and forgivness. From the first breath to the last and maybe even in death who knows, Salvation is always right there in front of you. Hell is for the wicked. No man is truely wicked only his actions. Rebuke the action and the wicked turns to good. THis is the message in all of the verses you have stated. Ignorance bears false witness to all.

If I need to explain what I mean word for word and verse by verse I can. (I may not have enough time today though since my shift is up in an hour) My main point is that who knows how Christ will judge in the end. He may as well change the rules as he did with the New Testament. Or maybe we will get a second chance during judgement day, who knows? Only God. Also the Bible only pertains to Christians and how they should live their lives not how they should judge others.

When the Bible is used as a weapon to judge it becomes the vile and evil Bible you are trying to describe. And to judge one another is to damn one another and to damn ourselves.

The Westboro Baptist Church (not affiliated in any way to other "Baptist" denominations) is only a small community of hate-filled people. I think at last count, there were about 100 people attending this church, with all but 5 of them members of the same family, related in some way. They are an extremist group, going well beyond any other rational, moderate Chrsitian, and they seem to have totally forgotten where Jesus commands Christians to love their neighbour, love even their enemies. Though we can't do anything about these guys, at least they are only a small minority, and do not represent the larger community of Christianity.

Phht! Who cares if they hate us Irish

Ok, I thought they were pretty cool till I saw that they hated Swedes

Oh, so God doesn't torture them. He has an angel call forth beasts to do it. It's the same bloody thing. Whether I shoot someone or hire an assassin I'm still guilty of their death, it's just using a different weapon.


Oh, so he just wants to torture them for 5 months, doesn't want to kill them right? I mean, killing them would ease their suffering.. wouldn't want that. And the Bible says none of them will repent.. So then he'll throw them down to hell where they will live a pointless existence of suffering forever. You can't repent if it lasts forever, can you? God is real merciful to keep them alive for that.. ?


Oh, so God doesn't decide what happens in hell? He didn't create hell? If God is the be-all end-all creator, everything is his creation. That includes everything created by his creations, because he knew those things he was creating would create those other things. If he created an angel that became a devil, then he created the devil, since he already knew who that angel would become. And that also means he created the sinners who would not repent; already knowing they would suffer eternal turmoil, and he is thus not a loving or compassionate God. I know it's pointless to be reasonable because you don't seem to accept reasonable conclusions, but I'll point it out nevertheless. If you cause something evil and feel fine doing it, you are evil.

regardless if you think it's right... He's still giving them a chance to repent of their actions...



actually... killing them would make their suffering worse... as they would indeed be in hell...




based on your reason... if you have a kid that grows up and kills someone... it's your fault right? they are your creation... so that would make every wrong thing that they do your fault...

your problem is that you want to be a puppet... you want everyone else to be puppets... and your basic defense is... God isn't MAKING me do what He asks of me... so it's His fault that non believers are going to hell... when in fact... if you know that you go to hell if you reject God... you can't blame God because you CHOOSE to reject His offer...

so a reasonable conclusion would be... don't get on the bad side of an all powerful being... because you have only yourself to blame for it... lol...

and if you don't believe in God anyway... why do you care what i believe? if you are right and there is no God... this conversation won't matter in the long run... but if i'm right... well, you have a lot more to worry about than this conversation...

I think the actions of these people demonstrate the fact that they are wicked. Take away the Bible and they'd still be wicked. If they didn't use religion as their tool they'd find something else.

I don't believe that the madness of a bunch of rotten and hateful individuals is representative of the Christian faith, or that it proves the claim that religion is the cause of the world's ills. Man is the cause of the world's ills.

I hope people are intelligent and sensible enough to recognise a load of hateful people for what they are and not swallow the idea that they are behaving this way because of their faith. Burn every Bible tomorrow, close every church, abolish religion, and they will all still be meeting in their little groups (in cellars) trying to find some other text/philosophy/whatever to hide behind.

Does anyone here believe that you can take a good person, a truly good person of faith and dump him in the middle of that group and he will condone their behaviour? Join in? Be swayed to act in the same way?

Thats a very reasonable statement there shadow hill. I agree with you.

I also agree, Shadow. Too many people see extremists who misuse and misunderstand the Bible, and say, "Aha! I always knew those Christians were evil, and here's my proof!" If these people accepted Jesus, and really put his teachings into work in their life, they would not treat people like this. Nothing about these people is Biblically inspired, nothing. But people will still continue to assume they represent Christianity.

I'm not rejecting any offer, I don't believe it ever happened. The historical character Jesus was about as well documented outside of the Bible as the thieves who supposedly died beside him. When I say Jehovah is an evil God it's under the hypothetical pretense that he actually exists.

so a reasonable conclusion would be... don't get on the bad side of an all powerful being... because you have only yourself to blame for it... lol...


Well, let's see, here's some good ones:

The KKK
Witch burnings
Medieval Britain
CSA (covenant, sword, arm of the lord, a lesser-known KKK basically)
Great contributions to the fall of rome
The alienating of millions of people around the world (It happens every day in the name of God)
The crusades
Persecution of and hate towards homosexual people
Prevention of stem-cell research

I don't care if you say it's an exaggeration or perversion of scripture, these things were done in the name of Christianity and with biblical basis.

Now you're thinking "Stalin, Pol Pot", etc... but you don't understand something, and this is the fundamental difference, nobody kills in the name of atheism, because atheism is not an organization. Atheism is the lack of a religion and atheism has no guidelines. It doesn't have a book telling you who is good and who is bad, and there's no basis in atheism for murder. The only common view I am guaranteed to share with another atheist is that I do not believe in God. Christianity is different. It says "Kill these types of people". It literally says it. Whether you choose to follow it or not doesn't change what it says. Those people chose to follow it, and subsequently killed and caused suffering to people. And that is why I have a problem with Christianity. The KKK is a bible-based organization. Witch burnings and non-believer torturings were done to purge "evil". The medieval British theocracy did not burn off the face of the "wicked" just because they liked to see people maimed. Organized religion, including Christianity, provides people with a very black and white view of the world. "Us" and "them". We are holy, they are wicked, this mentality is what inspires so much murder done by organized religion. When you are told there is only one judge of your actions and no human can tell you different, you become arrogant, you become elitist, it never works. The nicest and most accepting and open-minded Christians are always the ones who are further from the church and the core values of Christianity. There's a reason for that.



Except humans are not all-knowing. You don't know your kid is going to kill someone. If you do know he will and still have the kid, it is your fault.

It is representative because these misguided folks are putting on a very public face.

Consider this, you say this is not how it is to an audience of a few hundred, they spit their venom to audiences of millions. Who is having a greater impact on how Christianity is viewed?

Exactly.

I've read threads wherein people say moderate non-violent muslims should speak up and speak against the fundamentalist extremist of their faith, so as to tell the world that all muslims are not in accord with terrorism in the name of allah and the faith. So to it can be said of christians that would to speak against those that call themselves christians, especially as a pastor of a church erected to the faith, and speak like this. Thereby communicating to all that watch this is what a "real" christian looks like. And I've watched Fred Phelps (the pastor) in interviews wherein he considers himself a real christian. That's the one thing about that word that bites. People like this calling it the real thing. People not like this saying they're instead the real example. What is real, when so many factions can behave in so many ways, and think it's righteous, because they know what's true and real.

Ah, but the thing is that Christians do speak out against these people. There are several Christian groups who attend the same funerals as these people and try to shield the families and attenders from the signs they hold up and the things they say.



Yes, Fred does consider himself a Christian, so do many other people who've never even picked up a Bible. Considering yourself a Christian is as worthless as considering yourself a woman simply because you put on a dress. Being a Christian includes following Christ's example and loving others. The only people Jesus ever spoke out against were the religious fanatics of His day, who were so intent in retaining their power they were unwilling to listen to His message. He fed the poor, healed the sick, and hung out with those considered "sinners" by the religious leaders.

So the louder you shout the more representative your version of Christianity is? We should have the good sense to see these people for what they are and not buy into all this nonsense. So they say they're Christian, so they get a lot of press, so lots of people have heard about them... does that make them Christians? Quite obviously not.

I can put on a chicken suit and call myself a chicken... go on TV... put a flyer through the letterbox of every home on the planet declaring my chicken-ness. Am I a chicken? Do I speak for true chickens?

Any man who believed that I was representative of true chickens would be called a fool.

However they are not getting "equal time".

Standing across the street with signs is not enough when Phelp's camp is being interviewed on Oprah. Whispers get drowned by shouts.

and was hung on the cross by the religious pharisees

actually... it's a FACT that Jesus is more documented than george washington was... and that's outside of the Bible... further more... the Bible wasn't written to be a book... it was a collection of seperate texts over a period of time by people who DOCUMENTED things that happened... had these not been put together as a big collection of writings that we call the Bible... every Book of the NT would be considered an independent documentation... thus we would have 27 just to start off with...

here is a link to just a few others written before 100 A.D. http://www.bibletruths.net/Archives/BTAR217.htm



so if someone comes out tomorrow and says "i'm atheist and kills 6,000,000 people like Hitler, that would make all atheists evil correct?"
so a reasonable person could conclude that atheism is indeed evil...

and just because something wasn't done in the name of atheism doesn't mean it can't be blamed... plenty of atheists have done evil things... because the basic philosophy behind MOST atheism is that God does not exist... therefore no accountability for one's actions... there for do as you please because it doesn't matter...

so based on your statements above... i can reaasonably conclude that all atheists... are evil because of a ceratain few...

furtermore... as has been pointed out before by other people... evil people will do evil... no matter what holy book they have and no matter what deity they believe in... people usually just add the Bible into the religion to DISGUISE it as Christianity... and decieve people into joining... then they start to add their own teachings into the mix... which is always a sign that those people are not REAL Christians... any real Christian knows that the Bible is the only religious book that dictates their faith... and so do these false teachers... so they pray on that mentality and just interpret scripture to suit their own agenda...

people have used the scripture to prove that they were Jesus... that doesn't make them Christian... the Mormons and Muslims both use the same verse to say that their holy book is just an addition to the Bible... again, that doesn't make them Christian because they quote a few scriptures... the most devout, committed atheist knows the Bible inside out... so if they choose to do evil... is it Christianity's fault or is it their atheistic belief that is responsible?



stalin was evil... and an atheists... so again... based on previous statements that YOU made... a reasonable person can conclude that atheism leads to one being evil...

i've already addressed most of this... but if you for one second believe the KKK is a Bible based organization... you are ignorant of the facts... first of all... the Bible teaches LOVE for the Hebrew people specifically and all people in General... but the KKK is the exact opposite... they hate almost everyone... even some whites... so please point out in the Bible where it says to hate Jews???



i guess i'll address the salem with trials real quick....

20 people died at the salem witch trials... but it's always pointed out as a bad point in history (which it was), but it wasn't as big of a slaughter as people try to make it out to be...
people act like it was a big sweeping movement... but it wasn't...



in this thread you are pointing out a YOU and US (organized religion) so that would make YOU just as guilty of a black and white view as it makes US... correct?



not true... that is an assumption... i can walk into any church right now... and i guarantee you that 99% of those people have never killed anyone and never condoned killing anyone... groups of like minded people have a tendency to flock together... and usually when a teaching doesn't fit a persons belief... they change churches...

and if you bothered to actually read the Bible... you would know that arrogance is strongly discouraged...

thus you get verses like... "the meek shall inherit the earth" "pride comes before the fall" "he who makes himself high shall be brought low" etc...

so again... you are referring to groups of people who obviously don't follow the Bible as a whole... but pick and choose bits of information and toss out the rest...
when i worked security at the college... my supervisor Andre was from Jersey... and he was telling me about "5 Percenters"... they only believe 5% of the Bible... i'm not sure what 5% they believe, but i wouldn't refer to them as Christians... so there is indeed a good chance they COULD go out and do evil, but chances are they won't...



so you're saying that if you do know... like if you found a diary or plans to shoot up a school in your kids room... you would turn your kid in? or kill your kid? because that would indeed make you evil if you didn't right?

i'm basing this on your previous statements... i'm just wondering what you would do if you knew your kid was going to commit an evil act...

That is unfortunately true. But it's par for the course, the controversial party will always get the media attention.

SO is the question: "are there extremists on the christian side?".......Waco Texas , Branch Davidians...David Koresh.....there are wackballs on every end of the spectrum ....the odd thing is the you folks seem SO shocked by it.....B











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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOdIvHTIiaU

You are just repeating what Fluffy has already said LMAO

Its amazing how a small group like that can still turn out to be the most hated group

It's people like these that give other chrsitians a bad name...I blame these folks for this

thankgoodness a lot of people on here, realize that these people DO NOT represent christianity as a whole

People who read that story and others like it in their daily newpaper..some at my work place said..wow then all baptists must be evil...see how they can so easily give other chrsitians a bad rep??

and you say there is only 100.....................PA...it only takes ONE voice..just one..to create a bad rep

Over here we have someone like that...calls himself Rev Ian Paisley...known as the biggest loud mouth of N.Ireland..........he is the head of the Free Presbyterian, which began here in N.Ireland...and because Ian Paisley is the head of it...and with his big insulting trap on the tv...everyone else (other protestants & catholics) all protray that chuch as a mad house...only because of ONE man

i was going to say i second that... but since this was a second to shadow's post... i guess i'll say... i third that...

As I mentioned earlier..it only takes ONE rotten apple to spoil the barrel LOL

A small group wwill only be heard if they spit out pure evil at the rest of the world

I read the reasons as to WHY they hate so many people..and their reasons are stupid petty and personal...hence their hate

I couldnt believe that these people even laughed at cancer victims....

If there is a hell...it's going to have a lot more new tenants LOL

I think that church should get demolished and the goverment not give them any money to build a new church lol and the rest of the chrsitians along with others, refuse to give money towards a new one..and the law says...NO MORE Wesbro churches to be built..the people that use them are too hateful

Heck the law should send these idiots to jail...should be a max 6 year sentece for demonstrating hate in the streets.............

I know that name! Ian Paisley

It's true enough. Like that old saying, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. People notice people that scream and proclaim they're speaking for others when they say what they feel as a righteous example of what faith means to them. Be they Baptists like the Westboro clown posse' , or Falwell or Robertson. They speak the same trash, while saying it in a different forum and a different manner. Robertson could very well spit at people when he makes his claims about lesbians , feminists and others he hates. Calling himself an example of a true christian all the while.

"We have enough votes to run the country. And when the people say, "We've had enough," we are going to take over."
-- Pat Robertson, speech given to the April, 1980 "Washington for Jesus" rally, quoted from Robert Boston, The Most Dangerous Man in America, p. 29



"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them."--Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991



Jerry Falwell, is just as deviant in his viewpoint of what a "true" christian evangelism means. If he but stood with signs that highlighted some of the key phrases he's said in his tele-ministry broadcasts, he'd be on equal par with the likes of the Phelps clan.

"Christians, like slaves and soldiers, ask no questions”
Jerry Falwell quotes (American fundamentalist Baptist Pastor and Founder of the Moral Majority. b.1933)


Media likes to exploit squeaky wheels. And unfortunately many people, programmed by media's implied seeing is believing platform, don't care to think past whether or not that is a proper example of what a christian is. What they see is someone that believes they are an example of what a christian is. People are the embodiment of their faith, when they speak, when they act out after proclaiming they are a person of faith. How they behave in that guise is their example of what a christian is. It lends to the overall picture of what christianity inspires. Just as radical violent muslims lend an impression to many that don't care to think past that terrorism depicted in media, that islam may be something else entirely. Every theist and non-theist is subject to criticism, judgment, ridicule, for lending their example to what they claim to be.



"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."-- George Bush

If you know of Ian Paisley lol then pic him metting up with Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell...........Ian would tell Pat and Jerry that they have it ALL wrong...I can almost hear the idiots loud trap going off - NEVER.......NEVER......NEVER have you men got it right, my chuch is the ONLY church true to Jesus....you men are too soft with the people..you need to be more harsh....and I dont like you Mr Falwell....Why? ..WELL DONT TAKE ANY OFFENCE MR FALWELL, IT'S NOT YOU, ITS THAT FECKING NAME YOU HAVE....JERRY...JUST LIKE THAT BS'TD JERRY ADDAMS OH HOW I HATE THAT NAME AND EVERYONE ELSE CALLED JERRY.........ITS A DOWN RIGHT DISGRACE THAT THEY STILL SHOW TOM & JERRY CARTOONS, IF I HAD MY WAY..THERE WOULD NEVER........NEVER......NEVER BE A JERRY MENTIONED EVER AGAIN..........ONCE AGAIN MR FALWELL NO OFFENCE TO YOU...BUT YOUR MOM MUST HAVE HATED YOU BY CALLING YOU....JERRY!!

If you know and have heard this man Ian Paisley in action..his famous NEVERS are all ways there...

Yet on the front page of the Belfast telegraph shows BOTH Jerry Addams and Ian Paisley sitting side by side all smiles over the devolution setting up the N.Ireland assembley ..who'd thunk it LMAO

Im laughing because Ian was famous for saying NEVER NEVER Will I be seated in goverment with that bstd JERRY ADDAMS...and goes to show you...NEVER SAY NEVER YONK YONK!!