navigator
Apr 2 2007, 05:53 AM
I have had a few paranormal experiences since childhood. This is one of my first experiences. After my grand mother had a paralytic stroke she was put on a bed in a small room. Fortunately she had many people to take care of her. But she died after two months. After her death we let a young preacher live in the room. He lived with us for two years without reporting any problems. After he moved out I took the room. The preacher had taken his bed so I was left with my grandmother's bed. I used her bed and I slept in the same spot where she had died. I started to get horrific nightmares of her. Sometimes I would wake up in shock. Strangely one night I dreamt of my uncle who was my grand mother's first son. He had died before a year. He told me to a give a message to his daughters. The next day I told my mother about the dream. My mother reminded me that it was my uncle’s 1st death anniversary. It could have been a coincidence. I forgot about it and continued to live in the same room with my nightmares. After a year I got the same dream on his second death anniversary. And just like the first time I told my mother who reminded me again. It was like deja vu.
I was only 16 at the time and I didn't care about my uncle although I had helped him a few times before his death. I couldn't have subconsciously remembered my uncle's death day because the date was never mentioned to me. I was one of the brave kids on the block. I had always been curious about ghosts. When I was only 12 I would to go an old haunted house alone and peep through the widow hoping to see a ghost.
Could my experience be some kind of connection that was established between me and the sprits?
Well, after a few years my dad feared that the house was haunted and sold the house.
living sacrifice
Apr 2 2007, 06:51 AM
QUOTE(navigator @ Apr 1 2007, 10:53 PM) [snapback]1609477[/snapback]
I have had a few paranormal experiences since childhood. This is one of my first experiences. After my grand mother had a paralytic stroke she was put on a bed in a small room. Fortunately she had many people to take care of her. But she died after two months. After her death we let a young preacher live in the room. He lived with us for two years without reporting any problems. After he moved out I took the room. The preacher had taken his bed so I was left with my grandmother's bed. I used her bed and I slept in the same spot where she had died. I started to get horrific nightmares of her. Sometimes I would wake up in shock. Strangely one night I dreamt of my uncle who was my grand mother's first son. He had died before a year. He told me to a give a message to his daughters. The next day I told my mother about the dream. My mother reminded me that it was my uncle’s 1st death anniversary. It was too much of a coincidence. I forgot about it and continued to live in the same room with my nightmares. After a year I got the same dream on his second death anniversary. And just like the first time I told my mother who reminded me again. It was like deja vu.
I was only 16 at the time and I didn't care about my uncle although I had helped him a few times before his death. I couldn't have subconsciously remembered my uncle's death day because the date was never mentioned to me. I was one of the brave kids on the block. I had always been curious about ghosts. When I was only 12 I would to go an old haunted house alone and peep through the widow hoping to see a ghost.
Could my experience be some kind of connection that was established between me and the sprits?
Well, after a few years my dad feared that the house was haunted and sold the house.
I can offer you my opinion... Iv'e been a christian my whole life and have experienced spiritual activity of all sorts from healing and visions to the demonic realm and actually speaking to them and have had them physically appear in my room. I can assure you that once a person is dead they pass to either hell or heaven and no matter where they end up they cannot contact us here on earth no matter how true the info that one may recieve its not the actual person. when people say they're talkin to or have contacted the dead all they've done is contacted a spirit of deception(a demon) which is his job to lead people from the truth and your dreams your having is the work of the demonic as is any dream that provokes negative feelings so not neccisarily a connection with the spirits but more of an attack on you or your family to cause some sort of chaos or discension within your family bottom line is the devil comes to steal kill and destroy John 10:10 im not sure if you believe in God or angels but they are just as real as the devil and his demons. hope ive given you somethin to think about.
navigator
Apr 2 2007, 07:04 AM
QUOTE(living sacrifice @ Apr 2 2007, 06:51 AM) [snapback]1609513[/snapback]
I can offer you my opinion... Iv'e been a christian my whole life and have experienced spiritual activity of all sorts from healing and visions to the demonic realm and actually speaking to them and have had them physically appear in my room. I can assure you that once a person is dead they pass to either hell or heaven and no matter where they end up they cannot contact us here on earth no matter how true the info that one may recieve its not the actual person. when people say they're talkin to or have contacted the dead all they've done is contacted a spirit of deception(a demon) which is his job to lead people from the truth and your dreams your having is the work of the demonic as is any dream that provokes negative feelings so not neccisarily a connection with the spirits but more of an attack on you or your family to cause some sort of chaos or discension within your family bottom line is the devil comes to steal kill and destroy John 10:10 im not sure if you believe in God or angels but they are just as real as the devil and his demons. hope ive given you somethin to think about.
I am a Christian. I want to believe you. Unfortunately there is too much confusion about sprits of humans influencing the physical world. Please take a look at my other post about a real case reported in Australia. In this case if the boy has gone to hell or heaven, who is causing oil to come of walls and ashes to fall on the floor? Is it God or demons?
House of miracles in Australia
Barek Halfhand
Apr 2 2007, 12:23 PM
People claim to have spiritual contact involving Angelic visitation....... is this by default demonic deception?.......B
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Jewels1958
Apr 2 2007, 12:32 PM
QUOTE(living sacrifice @ Apr 1 2007, 11:51 PM) [snapback]1609513[/snapback]
I can offer you my opinion... Iv'e been a christian my whole life and have experienced spiritual activity of all sorts from healing and visions to the demonic realm and actually speaking to them and have had them physically appear in my room. I can assure you that once a person is dead they pass to either hell or heaven and no matter where they end up they cannot contact us here on earth no matter how true the info that one may recieve its not the actual person. when people say they're talkin to or have contacted the dead all they've done is contacted a spirit of deception(a demon) which is his job to lead people from the truth and your dreams your having is the work of the demonic as is any dream that provokes negative feelings so not neccisarily a connection with the spirits but more of an attack on you or your family to cause some sort of chaos or discension within your family bottom line is the devil comes to steal kill and destroy John 10:10 im not sure if you believe in God or angels but they are just as real as the devil and his demons. hope ive given you somethin to think about.
Personally I don't believe in the whole "hell" thing, I think that was made up by religious leaders as a means of control. Therefore I don't believe in demons either. As for spirits, those I believe in, my family has a history of visitations. I have seen one myself and my grandmother several. I believe that our "energy" changes to another form and that this form can visit us. As for "evil" spirits, well there are evil people and I am sure they don't change their stripes when they die.

As a side note, when my grandmother died (I was extremely close to her), I didn't feel like she had left me.
After a few weeks I was at my daughters house reminescing (sp?) about grandma and I suddenly felt a cool touch on my cheek and then I didn't feel like she was around me any more. I fully believe that she said goodbye and continued on her journey.
Watchful
Apr 3 2007, 02:10 AM
QUOTE(Jewels1958 @ Apr 2 2007, 08:32 AM) [snapback]1609714[/snapback]
Personally I don't believe in the whole "hell" thing, I think that was made up by religious leaders as a means of control. Therefore I don't believe in demons either. As for spirits, those I believe in, my family has a history of visitations. I have seen one myself and my grandmother several. I believe that our "energy" changes to another form and that this form can visit us. As for "evil" spirits, well there are evil people and I am sure they don't change their stripes when they die.

As a side note, when my grandmother died (I was extremely close to her), I didn't feel like she had left me.
After a few weeks I was at my daughters house reminescing (sp?) about grandma and I suddenly felt a cool touch on my cheek and then I didn't feel like she was around me any more. I fully believe that she said goodbye and continued on her journey.
When I was still living in Jersey, and my best friend was living next door, she was telling me how she sees shadows and feels things in her house. (Trust me, I even heard things in her house.) She told me how she was close to her grandmother who had died a few years prior. I remember walking with her around our yards on a fall day discussing this and about maybe her grandmother was around checking up on her and not realizing it was freaking her out. After that day and that discussion, my friend told me she doesn't feel or see another unusual in her house after that.
living sacrifice
Apr 4 2007, 04:28 AM
QUOTE(navigator @ Apr 2 2007, 12:04 AM) [snapback]1609518[/snapback]
I am a Christian. I want to believe you. Unfortunately there is too much confusion about sprits of humans influencing the physical world. Please take a look at my other post about a real case reported in Australia. In this case if the boy has gone to hell or heaven, who is causing oil to come of walls and ashes to fall on the floor? Is it God or demons?
House of miracles in Australiait sounds like something along the lines of stigmatas appearing on people which is demonic like the holes in the hands but people are being healed by this and obviously peoples faith is rising because of this something i wouldnt expect from hell and physical manifestations from heaven do happen people in my church have left with gold dust covering there hands why god put gold dust on their hands i dont know but it was cool and a friend of a friend walked out of his church in canada with a completely gold tooth and had the dentist check it out and it was totally real I cant tell you one way or another what the heck is goin on there in aust but it doesnt sound evil but then again when things like this happen people take their focus off of god on turn it to an object like the house or the oil and begin worshiping it in a sense and it becomes an Idol to them which would be the works of hell but i dont wanna say one way or another hope that helps lol
Barek Halfhand
Apr 4 2007, 01:51 PM
QUOTE(living sacrifice @ Apr 3 2007, 11:28 PM) [snapback]1612397[/snapback]
... a friend of a friend walked out of his church in canada with a completely gold tooth and had the dentist check it out and it was totally real I cant tell you one way or another what the heck is goin on there in aust but it doesnt sound evil
Must be another"gangster Canadian"!

.........B
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randomhit10
Apr 4 2007, 02:02 PM
any contact from the "other side" has never benefited anyone i know including myself...these are deceptive beings knocking on the door trying to come in...if you open the door you will have a terrible time getting rid of these things...i spend years trying to "contact" people beyond and was successful at times...they will tell you just enough truth to hook you and as time goes on they will gain in strength until they can control you (live inside you)...they will let you believe it is a game of sorts...i assure this is not parlor tricks they are performing...these entities are after you and will consume you if you are not careful to protect yourself...as for delivering messages tell your uncle to deliver it himself...why does he consult you about his daughters?......the KJV Bible has raised an interesting question about this also....when Saul had a witch raise the spirit of Samuel because Saul was concerned about some future events... Samuel asked Saul "Wherefore then doest thou ask of me..." (1 Samuel 28 : 14 - 17) ....in other words why consult the dead concerning the matters of the living? and vise versa, if your uncle can come to you, then why can't he go to his daughters with whom he should have more strength attached to?...for your sake your dad did the right thing....
randomhit10
F-16 Falcon
Apr 4 2007, 02:19 PM
The horrifying nightmares was most likely a subconscious fear of sleeping in your grandmother's room. The dream about your uncle, I really can't explain - perhaps he was trying to give you a message. He most likely was. I also do not think it was any coincidence that your uncle appeared to you in a dream right before/on his death anniversary. He was trying to contact you.
Please Explain
Apr 6 2007, 03:14 PM
QUOTE(navigator @ Apr 2 2007, 07:04 AM) [snapback]1609518[/snapback]
Probably demons attracting people to come and worship God. Yes?
Mister Meow
Apr 6 2007, 11:00 PM
I have had spiritual experiences all my life, and they exploded in 2000, when I had a spiritual awakening, after months of meditation. I have a terminal illness, and in the years preceding my illness, I had the start of contact with angelic beings. This contact greatly increased in the days before I became disabled from a rare disease.
I have had contact with passed on loved ones, bad human spirits, demons, and indifferent spirits, as well as many enlightened and caring beings. All angelic contact is loving, warm, and supportive, in a general way. Angels won't give you winning lotto numbers, but they will give you messages of love, perserverence, forgiveness, and support.
Any message that is not warm and loving, is not from heaven. Many negative beings will attempt to trick you, lie, intimidate, scare, or depress you. We all have angels watching over us. You are never alone, and you are never without love.
My first encounter with an angel, is the most inspiring one. I was in nursing school, and I was sick in bed for 2 weeks. I thought I was gonna have to quit a whole semester, and have my graduation put off by a whole year. I was very scared, and I looked up to heaven, and I asked "how am I going to do this?".
A few days later, I felt the urge to put on the real pretty music. I walked to my computer, and put this song with pretty female vocals, (by a band called Mila Mar). All of the sudden I felt a a pure, and loving female essence rush into my body, and I picked up an orange highlight marker, and wrote on my arm, and walked to bed, and collapsed.
When I awoke, I remembered what had happened, and it felt like a dream. I looked at my right arm, and written in big letters down my arm, it said "believe". This floored me, and I since that day, I know I am not alone, and I have learned much from the loving prescence that surrounds me (and every one of us).
This was the first of many, many experiences, and my best example of what I am talking about.
Jeff
Please Explain
Apr 7 2007, 01:31 AM
QUOTE(Mister Meow @ Apr 6 2007, 11:00 PM) [snapback]1616599[/snapback]
Angels won't give you winning lotto numbers, but they will give you messages of love, perserverence, forgiveness, and support.
That's true, they always give me 3 winning numbers (u need 4 to win) just to show you, they were there.
hippi
Apr 7 2007, 01:54 AM
May I ask, Navigator, what the nature of this message is that this apparition wishes delivered to your uncle's daughters?
Mister Meow
Apr 7 2007, 03:08 PM
hell is a Christian creation. We all have free will. Many choose to stick around the physical world after passing. Many come back to visit. Christianity has only been around for 2000 years, man has been around much, much longer. Christianity is only one path of many, that lead to the same place. Beware of any person who tells you their way is the only way.
I treasure my angelic visits, as they have given me courage, love, and hope is the face of seemingly hopeless odds. Demonic visits are not warm and loving, they are cold, and deal with deception, and the human ego.
Beware of any person who tells you, their way is the only way.
rhyknow
Apr 7 2007, 09:53 PM
QUOTE(Jewels1958 @ Apr 2 2007, 02:32 PM) [snapback]1609714[/snapback]
Personally I don't believe in the whole "hell" thing, I think that was made up by religious leaders as a means of control. Therefore I don't believe in demons either.
I believe that a sort of Hell exists. Just not in the demons and pitchforks sense. I think Hell is where people who have lost their way or who can't accept the face that they're dead go
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As for "evil" spirits, well there are evil people and I am sure they don't change their stripes when they die.

I think it depends. Maybe through death they have reached a form of spiritual enlightenment and have seen that we are all eternal and universal?
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any contact from the "other side" has never benefited anyone i know including myself...these are deceptive beings knocking on the door trying to come in...if you open the door you will have a terrible time getting rid of these things...i spend years trying to "contact" people beyond and was successful at times...they will tell you just enough truth to hook you and as time goes on they will gain in strength until they can control you (live inside you)...they will let you believe it is a game of sorts...i assure this is not parlor tricks they are performing...these entities are after you and will consume you if you are not careful to protect yourself...
How did you try and contact the dead? Ouija?
There are safe forms of transcommunication, you just have to take the right precautions and take everything the spirit says with a pinch of salt, or at least that's my opinion.
I do however agree that, to a certain extent communication with spirits help them to build up power. They drain our life force and our concioussness until they are powerful enough to break the veil between our plane and theirs.
Barek Halfhand
Apr 8 2007, 11:34 AM
lets not forget that communication with the spirit world IS also in the bible.......... more that once.......B
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Jsilvestro
Apr 8 2007, 03:24 PM
QUOTE(living sacrifice @ Apr 2 2007, 06:51 AM) [snapback]1609513[/snapback]
I can offer you my opinion... Iv'e been a christian my whole life and have experienced spiritual activity of all sorts from healing and visions to the demonic realm and actually speaking to them and have had them physically appear in my room. I can assure you that once a person is dead they pass to either hell or heaven and no matter where they end up they cannot contact us here on earth no matter how true the info that one may recieve its not the actual person. when people say they're talkin to or have contacted the dead all they've done is contacted a spirit of deception(a demon) which is his job to lead people from the truth and your dreams your having is the work of the demonic as is any dream that provokes negative feelings so not neccisarily a connection with the spirits but more of an attack on you or your family to cause some sort of chaos or discension within your family bottom line is the devil comes to steal kill and destroy John 10:10 im not sure if you believe in God or angels but they are just as real as the devil and his demons. hope ive given you somethin to think about.
It's always amazing how someone that has never been to Heaven or Hell nor has never been a ghost or spirt can speak for them and explain what happens after you leave here...