Wondering what your opinions are on this

http://www.goodfight.org/a_sataniccults.html

There is a hierarchy in satanism...the pawns always get the crappy end of the deal....

I didn't even bother reading the article when I saw this in the corner of the screen.

I was always intrigued by the church of satan though. Their rituals are facinating.

I think they are just attention getters myself. Like so called goths and emo's. Who really gives a rats ass anyway.

there is a hierarchy in demonolgy I think you mean...satanism is a fashion statement for aniti-Christians...
the "crappy" end of the deal is what you can ALWAYS expect with demons anyways.........B




halfhandshuffle:slayer-captor of sin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPiGigvfKGM

..Satanism is an excuse to have fun and scare people. It's all show. *All* of it. The only difference between them and the other religions? They admit it. It's an excuse to go out, party and such...

Satanism is fun.

That, and they're using the old hewbrew meaning of the word, as in "The Great Rebel".

My opinion is that some people are far to quick to accept the word of a Manson family murderer without question if they are hearing what they want to hear. I call those people gullible on internet forums and worse in real life. Then the article claims that a known mistranslation is fact.

But my favorite part was this line, "It was too late though for many Satanists who had been deceived and long before died in their sin and are in hell right now." LOL I feel the Christian love! I also find it amusing when Christians play the 'wolves in sheeps clothing' card. Uhhm heads up, people that claim to worship evil are not in sheep's clothing.

Aside from that I dont have much else to say except that Satanic cults are everywhere, recruiting small children from playgrounds, running the government you pay taxes to, we own the corporations that that same government cares more about than the people, we control the law enforcement agencies that hide our crimes, we own the mass media and every word that people are bombarded with again and again, over and over is to mold the collective mind to do our bidding. The deterioration of society that you see today is part of our plan to first turn the people away from the morality that the religious cherish and then to despise it pitting the corrupt godless masses against the ever shrinking bastions of God. The time is fast approaching that people will become fearful of outwardly expressing their love for God, until then have a nice day.

Where's DP when you need him...


No, Satanists do not worship Satan. They use him as a figure head, half the reason for mockery I'd wadger. But more for symbolizing the carnal emotions that make us human. They believe that we are our own gods, and that we should enjoy the pleasures that life brings us. Hells they even have strict rules that basicaly say "Don't harm anyone, and respect everyone." There's no baby sacrifices, that is is what we call "Hollywoodism".

Atlan and hopefully DP will be here soon to help expand on all this.

Relatively speaking, you mean they're actually the sheep?


I think this is the new method of proselytizing. Joining forums, initiating conversations on topics of an occult nature. When the source for the occult information is a christian website, that by nature, has a vested interest in fair and impartial dissemination of such material.


It reminds me of christian metal. Christian industrial music, etc... Assuming the guise of the adversary, in that ministers use to condemn rock, metal, grunge, etc... as music of the devil. Now it's assumed a christian message, in the lyrics and it's a million dollar head banger fortune for christ. If ya can't beat 'em, copy 'em.

For instance the "About Us" link at that site:
ABOUT US

We are a non-profit Christian organization dedicated to proclaiming the Good News of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world and shattering Satan's lies.

For over 19 years Pastor Joe Schimmel has been delivering the life-changing Gospel of Jesus Christ throughout the nation, by way of a state-of-the-art multimedia seminar entitled They Sold Their Souls For Rock And Roll, formerly titled Rock & Roll Sorcerers of the New Age Revolution.

Our hearts cry and earnest prayer is that you will benefit greatly from this web site. Stand with us as we fight the good fight, exalt Jesus Christ and seek to rescue as many souls as possible from Satan's clutches (2 Timothy 2:26) and from eternal damnation in the lake of fire (Jude 23). We strongly advise you to say a prayer and fasten your spiritual seat belts as you embark on the journey that can truly change your life.


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I picture a little Napoleon, carrying a banner with a cross on it. And emblazoned across the flag is this slogan: The world or bust! Muahahahah yes, it'll be a perfect world when everyone believes the same good news: There's no other news worth reading!

In all due respect Silver Cougar hoping that a member with a fancy Baphomet-Pentagram avatar will come and clear up all these questions regarding Satanism and tell everyone that Satanism has clear rules about not harming anyone is rather silly in my opinion.

There should be absolutely NO RULES in Satanism, anyone that tells you there are are fooling themselves. If you want to appear dark and evil but also be nice and respectful at the same time I recommend looking into something other than Satanism.

All of this diet-Satanism is really getting on my nerves, Satan would not be pleased lol. Where in the history of "Satanism" before or after the Christian era is there a rule about being nice and not hurting and offending people? Other than some guy writing a book about his view on what Satanism should be knowing that writing about what it is would get him arrested?

And saying that Satanists do not worship Satan is simply untrue, there are many that do as well as many that dont. Just like there are many that dont give a **** whether they offend, shock, disgust and infuriate people.

Satan called and he isnt happy with all this namby pambiness.

I'm bringing Satan back sung to the tune of JT's 'Sexy Back'

Relatively speaking people are so comfortable and happy being sheep that even the ones that reject being a sheep go and join some group that makes them sheep. OK guys I wanna be a Satanist how do I do that? Oh well young neophyte just wear black clothes and listen to heavy metal and follow these simple rules on how to be a Satanist and be nice at the same time, oh and above all else be an indivual

With all due respect... DP is a satanist. Judging him based on his avatar is.. "rather silly in my opinion". It would be like if I judged you based on yours.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/doctrine.html

http://www.dpjs.co.uk/ethics.html#Rules (this has the rules as the first link)

http://web.satanism101.com/rules.html


Huh, seems to me that Satanism has rules.

And again, Satanism has nothing to do with Satan, other then a figure head.

Anyone who actually worships Satan is a christian that /chooses/ to worship Satan rather then God and Jesus.

The term "Satanism" is just used to annoy christians, after all the only people who really think Satan exists are fundamentalists, the rest of us know he's just an allegorical character.

Theistic Satanism

Theistic Satanism is a form of Satanism in which adherents believe Satan is an actual deity and or force. Theistic Satanists are not atheists and believe in a conscious universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_Satanism

Are we done?

Like I said.. People who worship Satan as a deity are no more then christians who worships him rather then god and jesus.

Which really isn't anything to do with Satanists.

*shrugs*

that is the most rediculous thing i've ever heard... lol...

Christians who worship satan? you obviously couldn't think of a good comeback to the previous post that proved you wrong.... LMAO

LOL... that was sooo hilarious... "Are we done?"

LMAO... that was sooo cocky, matter of fact, sarcastic, and showed complete confidence in your victory over the situation...

that is great...

Oddly I'm not suprized you'd think this a pissing contest and an insult match. Since this is clearly all you know how to do while here.

I highly respect Silver Cougar but I have to say on this one these generalizations are wrong. Clearly defining Satanism as a whole is in my opinion rather difficult if not impossible which leaves a lot of room for error especially from observers, but also in my opinion it is the way it should be, individuality should never be easily defined.

I avoid defining myself for that reason, it limits individuality, I can handle labels for a time but soon need to buck them off. That said however Satanism is just so damn fun, as the good Doctor S pointed out, perhaps Satan is again in need of another good soldier. Politics are just so boring to argue anyways lol.

To Unicorns and Death, Hail Satan!

PS its my B-day today, can someone please get me some horns..... oh and a deathray I've always wanted a deathray just like the one Lord Xenu has.

actually... in our 2 conversations... you have been the one to throw the insults in both... i was just pointing out that you couldn't counter his point... not that you couldn't insult him better...since that is what you always do when you are proven wrong...

i on the other hand have only insulted the satanic rules... as a reply to insults about the 10 commandments...

The only one sounding like a cocky jackass here is you.

We've given the evidence, that popular Satanism is just "Rebelism". And, that website is a load of bollocks, and the ignorance that reeks from it is second only to the likes of Adolf Hitler...

Let's keep the posts free of insults, and remain on topic. Be mature civilized people.

I'm here. And I will try to expand on it




Nope thats true. Satan is one of the Christian Demigods, so anyone who worships Satan is really a member of one of the Subcults of Christianity or Judaism.

Members of The Church of Satan worship themselves primarily. It is all about the gratification of the self more or less.

If you look at the Nine Satanic Sins you will see that they represent things that when practice take responsibility and life away from the practicer. The primary sin is that of Stupidity. Basically the goal is that you see through the garbage and be able to make your own decisions.

Satanism is about as far from sheep as any belief can get. The fact is that Satanism is basically ritualised Aethiesm or Non-Theism depending on the depth you practice Satans. Satanism is based on the idea that you do what you want, not what others want you to do. It is about taking responsibility rather then giving responsibility for your own actions to anyother be he a man or a god.

Satanism is more or less about living for the now rather then for an after life that probably won't exist anyway. Anyhow I am more then willing to explain the points of Satanism if anyone is really interested.

Oh let's see... He made a judgment on a poster based on said poster's avatar.. which is an insult really. And I just countered that I could easily have done the same to him. However, I made no comment on his avatar in that effect. No insult made by me at all.


I supplied links... I explained without going about on how you handle things. "That's the most rediculise thing I've ever seen!" Well.. I'm glad you felt the need to insult me there. Oh yes, I did say I'm not surprized by your actions. I never am. It does seem like you'd rather insult and think things a pissing contest then actually read given materials and discuss things intelligently. Is this an insult? Well.. as you're fond of saying.. It's my OPINION! Lovely how that saves you from being called out on, huh?


Catch had proven my point with his link... that people who worship Satan as a deity are a subsect of Jeudao/christianity... and have nothing to do with actual Satanists. It helps to know a few to understand, I guess.

You have shown to be bright... yet arrogant and crude in many ways. Your arrogance hinders the glimmer of brightness to learn and understand what's different from what you believe in. No one wins in these debates... there is only the hope that people will learn. I do not get angry when people pre-emptivly say "You can't make a comeback! You lose!" I am saddend because you have not learned anything. Again, this is no pissing contest. And if someone refuses to learn, then I don't bother with "comebacks".

Anton Lavey was a crap muffin ok?... OK! And the Church of Satan was/is a bigger loaf of crap. No need sweatin' on that.
People like Micheal Aquino (The temple of set or MK-ultra) posed bigger threats, Lavey just hung on their coat tails for the attention.
And you can't believe a friggin word that comes from Adkins mouth.

Like I said in another post, quite a few actually...one of my favorite lines

"The greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing mankind he doesn't exist'

As far as Satanists are just another form of christian is purely contradiction...hey guys, charlie manson and anton lavey, heck even richard ramirez are all just a darker form of christian! wowzers learn something new everyday. To accept satan is to deny Christ, you cannot serve two masters...

I *think* I see what you mean :} . My point is many of the more serious threats go virtually unknowing. If there are true Satanic Worshipers (I believe there are), they don't advertise it- and would do whatever it took for it to remain that way.

...you don't understand. The "Satan-Satanists" are christians because they believe (most) of the bible to be true. Their difference is that they support the Party-Man instead of the Stiff...

I prefer the stiff over the party man myself!!

Feh, if I had to choose one...I'm goin' for the Partyman. Partyman can be reasoned with.

Actually there are people who do it. They are called Yezidis... Wiki it. you'll see.

I have a copy of their text: " Devil Worship: The Sacred Books and Traditions of the Yezidiz (1919)" By Isya Joseph. Fascinating reading. I'd recommend this site also for information on Yezidism.

I did *not* say they didn't exist, I said I believed they do exist..but secretively- quietly.
Yezidis or syncretism is the middle eastern term religion for something like it, I suppose.

Naw, seems more likely you'll get more reason from a stiff, than a party animal.

After seeing some more of your posts, all I really have to say is this-

"Nothing is more dangerous than a man who thinks he is right with God." - Can'tremember

I dont judge people by their avatars, I had a previous discussion on this topic with that poster.

I was simply pointing out how silly I thought it was to expect that a Satanist can just walk into a discussion and be right simply because they are a Satanist. Silly because I have experimented with LaVeyan Satanism, Theistic Satanism, Luciferianism and Gnostic Luciferianism/Satanism among other LHPs. If all one needs to be correct in this discussion was some Satanic credentials I think its time for some people to quiet down, that is if having Satanic credentials is all that is needed to end a discussion. Of course I dont believe that, everyone has the right to add in their opinion just like everyone has the right to get owned by a more knowledgable poster.



I think I have proven that you will ignore the definitions of different varieties of Satanism because you would rather all forms of Satanism be of the definition you prefer. And your persistent generalizations that these Theistic/Traditional forms of Satanism have "nothing to do with actual Satanists" is really getting on my nerves. Why? Because if the variety of Satanism that worships Satan as an actual deity shouldnt be called Satanism why the **** would a variety that has nothing to do with Satan besides a name and a symbol be called Satanism? That makes no sense yet I am not telling LaVeyans that they arent "real" Satanists. Some of these Traditional forms of Satanism were around before LaVeyan Satanism was even created, yet they now become fake and have nothing to do with Satanism because you prefer the defintion of Satanism that ensures they all arent that bad of people will clear rules about not harming people? Sorry but there are some real f***ers out there that will gut people and bury others alive if they choose to and they call themselves Satanists. So if associating the beliefs of one variety of Satanism with anothers beliefs including those of psychos bothers you just move along, dont change the definition to suit your view of what you want it to be, some of us can handle it.


A pretty good article - http://www.theisticsatanism.com/geifodd/varieties.html

"Satanism is not actually a single religion or belief system, but an entire family of inter-related belief systems, most of which are vastly different from each other save for one common theme: a sympathetic reinterpretation of the force/character/entity that is most well known and recognized in modern Western culture as 'Satan.'"

Not ignoring differences.. when it's been very clearly stated and linked that Satanists don't worship Satan at all... and those who do are inverted jeudaochristians. GW and Jack even posted links to what they are called... Yezidiz

i think you would be more correct if you said... some modern forms of Satanism don't worship satan...

that's like me saying all sects of Christianity venerate saints... i can't make that claim because not all sects have the same beliefs...

so how can you say that there aren't any satanists that don't worship satan?

when it has been proven that Lavey didn't originate the practice... nor is the idea completely modern... it's an ancient religion... and as has been said... they did indeed worship satan...

You've backed yourself into a corner taking the absolute view that ALL Satanists dont see Satan as a real being/entity/god, absolutes willl get you burned.

Bottom line it doesnt matter what you think they should be called, they are called Satanists and if you tell a Theistic Satanist that they arent a Satanist they will tell you you're not a female but an inverted male, a subsect of Man.

And why would there be terms like 'Modern Satanism' and 'LaVeyan Satanism' if it is the only 'Satanism'?

Again, why would someone who sees Satan as an actual being not be called a Satanist, and a person that sees Satan as nothing more than a symbol be called a Satanist? I see no reason why LaVeyans cant call themselves Satanists, why cant a Theistic Satanist also call themselves a Satanist?


"Satanism is a word which has been used over the years to describe a number of different belief systems in a number of contexts. People claiming to be Satanists—or outsiders claiming to describe Satanism—ascribe a wide variety of beliefs to Satanism. These range from the literal worship of a malevolent spiritual being (Theistic Satanism); to a kind of subversive ritual performance stressing the mockery of Christian symbols (most notably the Black Mass); to the claimed rediscovery of an ancient but misunderstood religion (e.g. Setianism, which conflates Satan with the Egyptian god Set); to the exaltation of hedonistic recreation, and the celebration of selfishness and pleasure."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

Most of higher ranking satanist know that satan is an actual entity that they worship. They try and fool the peons in thinking he's just a negative force and not an actual being. Aquino on the other hand is not shy, the temple of set has no problem telling people satan is an actual entity in which they worship, and will "reign" in hell with. Crappy thing for them is that they were deceived by their own master, there is only suffering in hell, not any reigning thats for sure.

You know nothing about Anton LeVay, do you?

I know of his kind. Do you know him? Was he your weekend beer drinking bud?

I wasn't always a Christian. I had to see the dark first in order to see the light and as a former satanist I can tell you for sure I know how they operate, who they lie to, and exactly what they are doing and why they are doing it.

Suuure you do. I'd be a Satanist if I lived in Cali, but alas, I do not. They aren't evil people, they don't even believe in the christian satan. They're using the old Hebrew meaning of the word as the "Great Rebel".

I think the translation is closer to Adversary but apart from that I agree. Satanists are pretty decent people. Though I don't agree with all the ritualisation apart from that they are fine.

The doctrines of Satanism mesh far better with the world of today then the majority of the antiquated doctrines of other churches. And being an Aetheistic society the rules are far more subject to change then those of the main stream religions.

Hey, the rituals look like fun...

Satanists themsevles have described their religion as "It's all show. We're just the only religion that admits it."