Mankind, the rebellious spirit.

A question for Christians.

Around the same time as the creation of mankind a rebellion was taking place in heaven, one third of all created angels chose to rise up against the authority of their Creator led by one of God’s most faverd angels Lucifer,(The morning star) as a result of his subversion he became known Satan the devil.

Mankind was inadvertently caught up in the insurgence which accounts for the chaos and frenzy in our everyday world. Man freely chose to break the one rule established by God in the garden, and thus aligning himself with the mutiny in heaven. This resulted in the separation of mankind from God and as warned, death was the consequence of man disobedience.

Mankind brought to earth the spiritual rebellion that was in heaven. Man’s spiritual rebellion against God is not resolved by any of the teaching of today’s Christian Churches, which says ‘that the goal of Christianity is to go to heaven when you die’. The reason why this is so, is that our dying and going to heaven does not resolve the conflict of spiritual rebellion found within us humans. In fact it has become apart of who we are, it is demonstrated in our natural rebellion toward all authority be it our parents, employers and governments or toward anyone who dares make the rules that govern our lives.
Although it is not a pre-requisite of salvation it seems to be in our nature to rebel. Our destination is heaven; could we inadvertently bring civil unrest with us, repeating the chaos of the fallen ones? How do we go about resolving this instinctive rebellious character flaw?
Or do we need to?

Your thoughts
Irish

Being rebellious is a character flaw? I thought it was one of our more...appealing, characteristics.

Great question Irish!

I think it is because of our innate rebelliousness that God set up Salvation to be a process requiring man to examine himself and admit there is nothing he can do to repair the situation he himself created. I think the act of Salvation separates those who are willing to check their natural rebelliousness and actually submit themselves to another and actually be completely dependent on the actions of another, from those who are unwilling to do so.

Rebellion is a sin for the same reason that gluttony, drunkenness, and slothfulness are sins: it takes a good thing to such an extreme it becomes bad. Rebellion is the same indomitable spirit which makes man so capable of taking on any challenge and finding ever more creative solutions taken to such an excess that he thinks he is completely and absolutely self-reliant, and leads him to the ridiculous idea that he is at least the equal of the one who created him if not better than Him.

I believe God intends for man to use that indomitable spirit in whatever it is He has prepared for us in eternity, but because it is such an important part of who man needs to be to do God's will, it is the thing that gets most perverted, the thing which can most completely separate man from God.

I think this is a very interesting topic. I have nothing to add at this point because I am having a think... but I thought I'd just say that I find it interesting all the same.

Not to disagree here, Irish, but didn't Lucifer sit in council with God when Job's faith was tested? Just a thought, but since Eve was tempted by 'Satan' in the garden, wouldn't it be rational to assume that 'Satan' was allowed back into Heaven and/or in God's trust at this later time? eems that they were rather chummy, doesn't it? It's all just so confusing!

Now, back to the question at hand, mankind could not bring rebellion back into Heaven for to kneel before the Father requires devotion and obediance to Him, according to the Bible. Those harboring rebellious natures would not be devoted or obediant to anyone.

well don't be confused any longer... lol...
satan was kicked out of heaven... as far as him being able to live there... but at minimum he is still allowed access to God's throne room... kind of like a kid visiting a parent...

...wha?

God kicks him out of heaven...lets him back in...kicks him out again....lets him back in one more time...then casts him out..again.

And now he gets visiting prillages?

WTF?

Is god short for "Gulliable" or something?

no... he's not allowed to live there...

he is allowed to "visit" God... for whatever reason...

and in the end of days... he will permanently banned from even coming to see God...

lol... he doesn't keep getting kicked out... it's sort of like someone who's parents put them out... and they say.. you can come over, but you can't live here... same thing...

Just to confirm what theaphantom is saying, her is a quote from Job
Job6 One day the angels [a] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them. 7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
[b]Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming through the earth and going back and forth in it."

i`m just going to answer off the top of my head but didn`t the original meaning of satan mean something like to take the other point of view?and lucifer "son of the morning" refers to a religion or king or both?it seems to me that believing in all this fallen angel stuff is the same as believing in the atlantis stuff as spouted by cayce or that mademe blavtsky{sorry for the spelling}.one should search for the roots of a belief and not the end result.as for man`s rebellious soul i take it to mean that man rebels against rightousness and i totally agree,after all what`s wrong with rightousness? to do right in all your dealings is very hard while to go with the crowd is very easy.there is not a single person alive now or in the past that has ever been totally rightous.too often we confuse rebellion with the right to question authority. the right to question has led man to our present, for good or bad, while rebellion in the religious sense is to choose evil over good.

isaiah 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

Seems to me christians have a hard time believing that god does evil yet why not?Why invent a devil but to deny that god does evil?
If there is but one god why wouldn`t he tempt you to do evil to show what is in your heart? no my friends, the real question is and always will be Do you choose evil or do you choose good?