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TK0001
Behold an actual controlled demolition:

Landmark CD

Other than the building eventually ending up in a pile on the ground, do you see any similarities at all? Note the extremely bright flashes and extremely loud explosions happening right before the collapse, not hours or even minutes prior. Note how it actually collapses almost entirely within it's own footprint, it doesn't eject material from the top hundreds of feet away. Note how no surrounding buildings were damaged whatsoever.

Can you honestly say you see no difference between this and the towers collapsing?
RAMS
Truly superb example. And now, watch the disclaimers from the ceberal paredolia crowd sweep in like maggots on meat........

Thanks for finding that TK.

RAMS
TK0001
QUOTE(RAMS @ Apr 5 2007, 02:58 PM) [snapback]1614780[/snapback]
Truly superb example.


Thanks.

Believe it or not, the first time I saw the CD of the Landmark was in a link posted by a CTist on this site (can't remember which thread, though). The site it pointed to actually had the Landmark and WTC7 positioned right next to each other, both collapsing at the same time. I of course saw the flashes in the Landmark vid, and saw none in the WTC7 vid, so it immediately struck me as an odd thing for a CT site to post. Then I immediately set out to find a video of the Landmark CD with sound. When I did, I found it to be one of the more compelling pieces of visual/audio evidence against the CD of the WTC buildings that I have ever seen.

Funny that it came from a CT site.
itsnotoutthere
says more than a thousand words.
Good point well made.
chris0871
Well this fits your story if of course that traditional explosives were used in the trade center but I happen to believe that what happened in NEW YORK that day was by no means conventional but whatever helps you sleep at night ... thumbsup.gif
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(chris0871 @ Apr 5 2007, 10:04 PM) [snapback]1614925[/snapback]
Well this fits your story if of course that traditional explosives were used in the trade center but I happen to believe that what happened in NEW YORK that day was by no means conventional but whatever helps you sleep at night ... thumbsup.gif


Depends on which side you think is telling a 'story' thumbsup.gif
el midgetron
This argument would be alot more convincing if you could show what a building looks like when it collapses from fire and damage (as was the case with wtc7). I am not completely sold on the theory of CD being used at the wtc. However if it was, I think its safe to say it wouldnt have been a conventional CD. You might as well say it couldnt have been CD because it lacked the public countdown by men in hard hats.
chris0871
QUOTE(itsnotoutthere @ Apr 5 2007, 09:13 PM) [snapback]1614937[/snapback]
Depends on which side you think is telling a 'story' thumbsup.gif

Well i think the official story is the biggest conspiracy story I've ever read and complete fiction , a great story for a small mind to wrap there head around but not very realistic or believable but thats just my opinion, there story is a joke and every year another hole sinks it a little more .
coughymachine
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Apr 5 2007, 07:34 PM) [snapback]1614753[/snapback]
Behold an actual controlled demolition:

Landmark CD

Other than the building eventually ending up in a pile on the ground, do you see any similarities at all? Note the extremely bright flashes and extremely loud explosions happening right before the collapse, not hours or even minutes prior. Note how it actually collapses almost entirely within it's own footprint, it doesn't eject material from the top hundreds of feet away. Note how no surrounding buildings were damaged whatsoever.

Can you honestly say you see no difference between this and the towers collapsing?

Do you have a link to a WTC-7 collapse video that has sound?
RAMS
QUOTE(el midgetron @ Apr 5 2007, 02:20 PM) [snapback]1614941[/snapback]
This argument would be alot more convincing if you could show what a building looks like when it collapses from fire and damage (as was the case with wtc7). I am not completely sold on the theory of CD being used at the wtc. However if it was, I think its safe to say it wouldnt have been a conventional CD. You might as well say it couldnt have been CD because it lacked the public countdown by men in hard hats.


That is fairly easy to answer and accommodate you as well, since the question is valid, though somewhat tardy in the current events of things.

What I'd suggest, cautiously, is watch some YouTube videos, with the sound muted, and watch what debris, untended fire over a 7 hour period, and debris damage does to invite a cascade failure. You are also quite rise by not subscribing to the CT theory.

RAMS
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(chris0871 @ Apr 5 2007, 10:21 PM) [snapback]1614942[/snapback]
Well i think the official story is the biggest conspiracy story I've ever read and complete fiction , a great story for a small mind to wrap there head around but not very realistic or believable but thats just my opinion, there story is a joke and every year another hole sinks it a little more .


In my opinion the only people that can't wrap there small minds around the facts are those that just cannot accept that a relatively small band of terrorists could so easily cause so much death & destruction at the heart of the u.s.a. And the people that cannot accept the facts look elsewhere for a 'demon' & turn in on themselves.
itsnotoutthere
P.S.
Whenever i see these threads about wtc being an 'inside job' I can't help but think of some terroist reading this & laughing their socks off. They must be thinking that they could cause massive death & destruction, & then the u.s.a would blame there own government , I bet they're plotting exactly where to put the nuke as we speak.
Adam2006
QUOTE(coughymachine @ Apr 6 2007, 01:58 AM) [snapback]1615281[/snapback]
Do you have a link to a WTC-7 collapse video that has sound?


Here's a gd vid, not with sound though

BBC say it has collapsed before it has Interesting but off topic (does contain footage of WTC 7 collapse)

WTC7 collapse < if you look carfully ypu can see flashes but it is difficult to see.

Interesting, expert CD talks about WTC 7

Same building as in the OP but from a distance, you cant see the flashes

Notice how the smoke from the vid in the OP and WTC7 are similar?

Also if it was an CD and under government orders, surely the government would use specialist Demoliters that could make it so that no flashes could be seen? Maybe a different type of explosive? Im not sure but if i was the government i would want to make it so that it looked like it wasnt a CD by taking out the certain characteristics CD's have like the flashes.

Hope this helps thumbsup.gif
Unlimited
QUOTE(itsnotoutthere @ Apr 6 2007, 09:18 AM) [snapback]1615675[/snapback]
In my opinion the only people that can't wrap there small minds around the facts are those that just cannot accept that a relatively small band of terrorists could so easily cause so much death & destruction at the heart of the u.s.a. And the people that cannot accept the facts look elsewhere for a 'demon' & turn in on themselves.


I have first hand knowledge what mohammed atta was doing in florida besides attending flight school....he was on a job to clean up a mess in fla for a rogue government...guess which one...
Lilly
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 6 2007, 12:35 PM) [snapback]1615788[/snapback]
I have first hand knowledge what mohammed atta was doing in florida besides attending flight school....he was on a job to clean up a mess in fla for a rogue government...guess which one...


So, Mr. Atta was a government agent then...was he also an evil alien supporter? I must admit 'limited', you have a creative method of revisionism going on here.
Unlimited
QUOTE(Lilly @ Apr 6 2007, 12:46 PM) [snapback]1615804[/snapback]
So, Mr. Atta was a government agent then...was he also an evil alien supporter? I must admit 'limited', you have a creative method of revisionism going on here.

who said he was an evil alien supporter?..he was contracted to clean up the mess the NSA had made of destroying the federations officers....
Lilly
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 6 2007, 12:50 PM) [snapback]1615808[/snapback]
who said he was an evil alien supporter?..he was contracted to clean up the mess the NSA had made of destroying the federations officers....


I was simply asking you how/if he was involved with the aliens (this does get confusing for the rest us you know).
Osirian
I trust firefighters who were actually on site.
Unlimited
QUOTE(Osirian @ Apr 6 2007, 01:33 PM) [snapback]1615852[/snapback]
I trust firefighters who were actually on site.


what do they say?...
Adam2006
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 6 2007, 02:40 PM) [snapback]1615857[/snapback]
what do they say?...


Theres a bomb
Heard Explosions

Oh for the person who wanted WTC7 with sound
coughymachine
QUOTE(Adam2006 @ Apr 6 2007, 02:51 PM) [snapback]1615869[/snapback]

That video hasn't really captured the sound of the building collapsing. And, if there were explosives going off, they would likely have happened before the video starts.
Adam2006
QUOTE(coughymachine @ Apr 6 2007, 03:26 PM) [snapback]1615905[/snapback]
That video hasn't really captured the sound of the building collapsing. And, if there were explosives going off, they would likely have happened before the video starts.


There was one in my earlier post that had the shockwave tongue.gif

This one
the_atheist_mind
guys, why would anyone do this, AHHH i know what u think, and ur right. . . this is all for land, mr president needed something to blame the iraqies on so that he could change them to our way of life. . .


right?
getagrip
QUOTE(Adam2006 @ Apr 6 2007, 12:32 PM) [snapback]1615737[/snapback]
Notice how the smoke from the vid in the OP and WTC7 are similar?

Hope this helps thumbsup.gif


of course they look similar they both collapsed theirs no argument in in that
coughymachine
QUOTE(Adam2006 @ Apr 6 2007, 03:29 PM) [snapback]1615912[/snapback]
There was one in my earlier post that had the shockwave tongue.gif

This one

Thanks for that.

So what do we have? A clear 'boom' sound, followed approximately 9 seconds later by the collapse. This is exactly what we have caught on video for either WTC1 or 2; a clear 'boom', which shakes the camera and is followed several seconds later by a plume of dust at the base of the building and a subsequent collapse. That's two buildings whose collapse is preceded by loud 'booms'. This surely cannot be co-incidental.
monkey allen
The criminals who committed 911 certainly would not have used the exact explosive techniques as regulation demolitions.

dah
Unlimited
QUOTE(Adam2006 @ Apr 6 2007, 01:51 PM) [snapback]1615869[/snapback]


I've heard that people on the scene heard bombs going off..thanks...
Redtail
QUOTE(Adam2006 @ Apr 6 2007, 01:51 PM) [snapback]1615869[/snapback]


Were they talking about WTC7?

QUOTE(Adam2006 @ Apr 6 2007, 01:51 PM) [snapback]1615869[/snapback]


So all explosions are caused by demo charges?

QUOTE(Adam2006 @ Apr 6 2007, 01:51 PM) [snapback]1615869[/snapback]
Oh for the person who wanted WTC7 with sound


It was alredy mentioned that this was into the collapse and the other vid you posted sounds nothing like a CD it was more likely wind hitting an unshielded mic.
TK0001
QUOTE(Osirian @ Apr 6 2007, 09:33 AM) [snapback]1615852[/snapback]
I trust firefighters who were actually on site.


So do I.
TK0001
QUOTE(monkey allen @ Apr 7 2007, 07:50 AM) [snapback]1617281[/snapback]
The criminals who committed 911 certainly would not have used the exact explosive techniques as regulation demolitions.


Actually, they used airplanes.

But conveniently disregarding that, you're suggesting that explosives were used, but not the kind that make noise? Are you completely suspending disbelief and thinking the impossible is possible, or do you have evidence that this type of hushaboom technology exists?
TK0001
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 7 2007, 08:59 AM) [snapback]1617309[/snapback]
I've heard that people on the scene heard bombs going off..thanks...


Really? Link?

People were describing explosions, or booming sounds.
Adam2006
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Apr 10 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]1622074[/snapback]
Really? Link?

People were describing explosions, or booming sounds.


I think he was responding to the links that i had posted. So the link was in the part of the quote you didnt include.
TK0001
QUOTE(Adam2006 @ Apr 10 2007, 10:47 AM) [snapback]1622082[/snapback]
I think he was responding to the links that i had posted. So the link was in the part of the quote you didnt include.


The forum doesn't allow you to quote a quote.

Did someone in the videos you posted say they saw and heard a bomb going off? In one video, a fireman said there was a bomb in "the building" (no reference to which building, or even if it was taken on 9/11). This certainly is interesting, makes one want to investigate further. Why is this clip sliced down to a couple seconds? Who was the firefighter? How did he ascertain that there was a bomb? Has anyone called him to see what he meant?

No? Why not?

The other clip is the Naudet brothers footage of firemen describing how one of the towers sounded as it collapsed. They said it was "as if" it was a controlled demolition.

Neither clip was of anyone saying they heard bombs going off.
SurvivalChuck
QUOTE(Osirian @ Apr 6 2007, 07:33 AM) [snapback]1615852[/snapback]
I trust firefighters who were actually on site.

I do to.
Firefighters Discuss Bombs in WTC on 9/11

Floor by floor, it started popping out. If it was as if they had detonators. If as they were planned to take down a building. Boom, boom, boom, all the way down.

Sunofone
QUOTE(ChrisV @ Apr 10 2007, 07:39 PM) [snapback]1622991[/snapback]
I do to.
Firefighters Discuss Bombs in WTC on 9/11

Floor by floor, it started popping out. If it was as if they had detonators. If as they were planned to take down a building. Boom, boom, boom, all the way down.

me three!! --- take the word of firefighters that is-- here is the NYFD chief of safety who died on 9/11 analyzing the situation and trying to save his men but not before delivering this monumental testament
Listen to Albert Turi Telling NBC News that Bombs were Going off in the World Trade Center on 9/11 resulting from "secondary devices"
TK0001
QUOTE(ChrisV @ Apr 10 2007, 09:39 PM) [snapback]1622991[/snapback]
I do to.
Firefighters Discuss Bombs in WTC on 9/11

Floor by floor, it started popping out. If it was as if they had detonators. If as they were planned to take down a building. Boom, boom, boom, all the way down.


"As if". Two small words, but they really shouldn't be ignored. He's not saying he knew for sure that "they" had detonators, he's trying to describe what the building looked like as it collapsed.

Again, again, again, look up the word "metaphor". Better yet, I'll do it for you just so I have something to quote the next time someone takes a metaphor as literal truth so it conveniently fits one's story:

QUOTE
metaphor: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money)
monkey allen
Any numb nut can see with their own eyes on tape that the wtc buildings were pro demolished. Take wtc7 as a prime example.

What maniacs defend any other explanation other than demolition?
TK0001
QUOTE(monkey allen @ Apr 11 2007, 08:14 AM) [snapback]1623500[/snapback]
Any numb nut can see with their own eyes on tape that the wtc buildings were pro demolished. Take wtc7 as a prime example.

What maniacs defend any other explanation other than demolition?


This numb-nutted maniac does.

Care to get into the specifics? Did you read this thread before zipping right to the end and blasting out insults? Do you have anything other than what it looked like (each building ended up in a pile on the ground) to support your bold claim?

Also, feel free to open any of the several WTC7 threads here to get viewpoints from other numb-nutted maniacs such as myself.
Unlimited
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Apr 11 2007, 12:18 PM) [snapback]1623502[/snapback]
This numb-nutted maniac does.

Care to get into the specifics? Did you read this thread before zipping right to the end and blasting out insults? Do you have anything other than what it looked like (each building ended up in a pile on the ground) to support your bold claim?

Also, feel free to open any of the several WTC7 threads here to get viewpoints from other numb-nutted maniacs such as myself.


the buildings were clearly imploded as stated by the firefighters on the film clips....you have a long term agenda here..and those films dont look good for your pro-bush stances....
TK0001
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 11 2007, 08:22 AM) [snapback]1623507[/snapback]
the buildings were clearly imploded as stated by the firefighters on the film clips


QUOTE
metaphor: a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money)
coughymachine
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Apr 10 2007, 03:33 PM) [snapback]1622067[/snapback]
Actually, they used airplanes.

But conveniently disregarding that, you're suggesting that explosives were used, but not the kind that make noise? Are you completely suspending disbelief and thinking the impossible is possible, or do you have evidence that this type of hushaboom technology exists?

You keep changing your rebuttal to suit. There are many, many reports of explosions, just none that can be categorically said to have been associated with explosives. You have already acknowledged this. There is no need to demonstrate that 'hushaboom' technology exists.
TK0001
QUOTE(coughymachine @ Apr 12 2007, 10:09 AM) [snapback]1625240[/snapback]
You keep changing your rebuttal to suit. There are many, many reports of explosions, just none that can be categorically said to have been associated with explosives. You have already acknowledged this. There is no need to demonstrate that 'hushaboom' technology exists.


I beg to difer. He suggested that the evil perpetrators of this crime would use something other than the explosives used by CD companies. Since he was referring to the loudness of the explosions, I assumed he was suggesting the evil perps would use much quieter explosives.
coughymachine
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Apr 12 2007, 03:50 PM) [snapback]1625299[/snapback]
I beg to difer. He suggested that the evil perpetrators of this crime would use something other than the explosives used by CD companies. Since he was referring to the loudness of the explosions, I assumed he was suggesting the evil perps would use much quieter explosives.

Actually, he said...

QUOTE(monkey allen @ Apr 7 2007, 12:50 PM) [snapback]1617281[/snapback]
The criminals who committed 911 certainly would not have used the exact explosive techniques as regulation demolitions.

No reference to different explosives - just techniques. No implication either, that this would have affected the sound.
TK0001
QUOTE(coughymachine @ Apr 12 2007, 10:57 AM) [snapback]1625309[/snapback]
Actually, he said...
No reference to different explosives - just techniques. No implication either, that this would have affected the sound.


That's what I took it to mean. If I got that wrong, my apologies to him.

Either way, I would've like him to examine it a bit further - what techniques would they employ that would vary from the norm of attaching explosives to the columns and detonating them?
getagrip
QUOTE(Sunofone @ Apr 11 2007, 05:00 AM) [snapback]1623145[/snapback]
me three!! --- take the word of firefighters that is-- here is the NYFD chief of safety who died on 9/11 analyzing the situation and trying to save his men but not before delivering this monumental testament
Listen to Albert Turi Telling NBC News that Bombs were Going off in the World Trade Center on 9/11 resulting from "secondary devices"


he certainly does mentions secondary devices but i think u forgot (not on purpose obviously) to include the rest of his quote

"somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there
was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a
ring right around the building blew out. i later realized
that the building had started to collapse already and this
was the ai:r being compressed and that is the floor that
let go"

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyreg...Turi_Albert.txt
Sunofone
QUOTE(getagrip @ Apr 12 2007, 10:10 AM) [snapback]1625412[/snapback]
he certainly does mentions secondary devices but i think u forgot (not on purpose obviously) to include the rest of his quote

"somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there
was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a
ring right around the building blew out. i later realized
that the building had started to collapse already and this
was the ai:r being compressed and that is the floor that
let go"

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyreg...Turi_Albert.txt

w00t.gif w00t.gif laugh.gif w00t.gif truly you need to get a grip!! albert turi died on 9/11/01 please tell me how he was interviewed on 10/23/01 thumbsup.gif
BrucePrime
QUOTE(Sunofone @ Apr 12 2007, 06:13 PM) [snapback]1625546[/snapback]
w00t.gif w00t.gif laugh.gif w00t.gif truly you need to get a grip!! albert turi died on 9/11/01 please tell me how he was interviewed on 10/23/01 thumbsup.gif


He's not the one who needs to get a grip, buddy, you are. Try doing a little research... w00t.gif w00t.gif laugh.gif w00t.gif

He was interviewed on 10/23/01 because he DID NOT die on 9/11.

Here's another interview with him, on 10/08/01:

http://www.firefighting.com/articles/namFu....asp?namID=4494

Oh, and he turns up alive again in this article from 01/02:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/30/...ain326181.shtml

Oh wait! Here's more! Being interviewed by the Chicago Tribune ONE YEAR after he supposedly died on 9/11:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/special...95.story?page=2

So, I'll patiently await your response, telling me he actually did die on 9/11/01, and this is just a government imposter. thumbsup.gif
getagrip
QUOTE(Sunofone @ Apr 12 2007, 07:13 PM) [snapback]1625546[/snapback]
w00t.gif w00t.gif laugh.gif w00t.gif truly you need to get a grip!! albert turi died on 9/11/01 please tell me how he was interviewed on 10/23/01 thumbsup.gif



wow someone better inform his family wheres ur link to this info, oh don't tell me you got it from one of alex jone's websites no.gif

http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html
http://www.mishalov.com/wtc_rescueplan.html
http://www.nytimes.com/library/national/091101rescuers.html
http://cf.newsday.com/911/victimsearch.cfm?id=849
http://www.september11victims.com/septembe...ictims_list.htm
getagrip
QUOTE(BrucePrime @ Apr 12 2007, 07:59 PM) [snapback]1625626[/snapback]
He's not the one who needs to get a grip, buddy, you are. Try doing a little research... w00t.gif w00t.gif laugh.gif w00t.gif

He was interviewed on 10/23/01 because he DID NOT die on 9/11.

Here's another interview with him, on 10/08/01:

http://www.firefighting.com/articles/namFu....asp?namID=4494

Oh, and he turns up alive again in this article from 01/02:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/30/...ain326181.shtml

Oh wait! Here's more! Being interviewed by the Chicago Tribune ONE YEAR after he supposedly died on 9/11:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/special...95.story?page=2

So, I'll patiently await your response, telling me he actually did die on 9/11/01, and this is just a government imposter. thumbsup.gif


lol beat me to it whats the betting sunofall disappears from this thread just like he always does when he's "found out"
Enigma wrapped in a puzzle
QUOTE(TK0001 @ Apr 5 2007, 06:34 PM) [snapback]1614753[/snapback]
Behold an actual controlled demolition:

Landmark CD

Other than the building eventually ending up in a pile on the ground, do you see any similarities at all? Note the extremely bright flashes and extremely loud explosions happening right before the collapse, not hours or even minutes prior. Note how it actually collapses almost entirely within it's own footprint, it doesn't eject material from the top hundreds of feet away. Note how no surrounding buildings were damaged whatsoever.

Can you honestly say you see no difference between this and the towers collapsing?


Cool you just further gave evidence that the tower 7 went down by demo. If you watch the links Adam posted its like a no brainer demo was used.
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