Found an interesting website that claims that there is an alien base on the moon.

Link

Sorry if this has been posted before.

I saw an interview with buzz aldrin where he confessed to seeing a UFO on or around the moon. I was pretty amazed to hear that.

Yeah, i've heard that too, it pretty interesting.

Buzz Aldrin Talks About UFO

Wow - once again, people who apparently have no clue about astronomy and satilite images: JUMP to the Wild Thoughts of Imagination.

There are NO secret or other wise moonbases on the moon. Not by aliens and not by man. The 'flaws' are easily explained. No satilite image is "perfect" especially when you are taking a series of long shots and multi-shots. Even Google Earth has it's share of flaws and blurs and such as does the Mars probes: ALL of them as does the SOHO that takes pictures of the Sun.

Besides - what source says they are "CLASSIFIED"??

This is like the one site that claims NASA covered up some photos from Mars - Umm so what that the two photos in question were 4 YEARS APART - that apparently had NOTHING to do with it...

These sites and sites like them are TABLOID NEWS - nothing more and a whole LOT LESS! Always read them w/a serious skeptical mind - and use a little Critical Thinking and Analytical Thinking on these sites... You simply have to.

does anyone notice that if you try to magnify the "base" it comes up as image not available but if you click anywhere else on the picture it comes up just fine.

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In the day and age of CGI why would anyone resort to 'smudging'? Why not just crop it out and paste over the area with some generic moon surface?

I don't think there is an alien base on the dark side of the moon, but If I was an alien species that was interested in this planet that might be one of the first places I would consider to put my base

Run and hide! JPEG artifacts on the moon!

i always thought that pink floyd made there album from the darkside of the moon

That's quite a jump to conclusions yourself Jj. There's been many astronomical photos cropped, smudged, etc., that are obviously of intense interest ~ especially those concerning the Moon, and Mars, among other celestial bodies where objects have been photographed that are not natural to those bodies.

Moreover, to term them all "tabloid news" and "nothing more" isn't exactly very convincing evidence (and isn't critical thinking by the way) while it also sheds no light on what these objects and structures on the Moon really are. So let' do try to be more analytical by taking the time to investigate this before (once again) tagging the "tabloid" label on what is obviously very interesting photos of objects on the Moon that are not natural to the Moon itself, shall we?

snore...

Theo -
No it's not a "jump". I even sited where you could see these 'flaws' w/other various sat pictures. From those taking pictures of:
Earth
Mars
Sun
Mercury
Venus .... and so on.
This is NOT un-common at all. So I'm sorry - no it's not a "jump', 'leap' or anything else. These are VERY COMMON. All one has to do IS LOOK! The "leap" and "jump" is on the Linked Site and the person NOT understanding the flaw that is just too common and actually understood and accepted as part of the technology.

It is "Tabloid News" - especially when they have proven they did NOT do their homework and checked out secondary sources of other pictures of the dark side of the moon. Or the very common 'flaw' that is found on MANY other sat pictures.

I have stated this more than a few dozen times:
One has to have a good working knowledge of the following:
Know how to do real research - not just "proof texting".
Astronomy - Understanding more than the basic - "I know the 8 planets in the solar system."
Astro-Physics. No not a PhD, but at least understand the the basic foundations of this.
Photography:
Digital, Computer, 3D Animation, Computer Graphics, lens flare and Light Settings.

If you do not have a good basic foundation of these - well one will be easily fooled into seeing what the author wants you to see. Those that do understand these, when seeing sights like this - JUST LAUGH at the ignorance of the author or what the author hopes their readers have.

I'm still amazed that an author of another site is still passing off the "NASA COVER UP" of some Mars photos - ignoring the fact that these pictures are 4 years apart. But then again - maybe I shouldn't be amazed...

No apologies necessary.

It has indeed been posted and discussed before, however.

Nonetheless, there is no alien base on the Moon, and there is no evidence whatsoever of such a thing.

Jj said,


He is correct.








Buzz Aldrin isn't "confessing" to anything that was not previously known by people involved in spaceflight. He is telling his story of the sighting that Apollo 11 made during their trans-lunar flight. The melodrama attached to this interview with Buzz, and the editing which doesn't present what he actually said in its entirely, is telling.

(God knows, I wish Buzz wasn't as interested as he is in talking. He should've taken a clue from Neil long ago...but alas, he's gotten himself into some stupid situations over the years, this being one of them...!)

The incident was completely explained, meant little or nothing, and was settled many years ago (about 38 years ago, to be exact). We've already discussed that at length on this board as well.

I concur, Jj.
You probably shouldn't be amazed at that!

From the Aldrin Interview:


"Narrator: Despite having a clear view of the UFO, the crew were wary of reporting it to Mission Control.

"Aldrin: Now, obviously, the three of us were not going to blurt out, 'Hey Houston we got something moving along side of us and we don't know what it is, you know, can you tell us what it is?'. We weren't about to do that, cause we know that those transmissions would be heard by all sorts of people and who knows what somebody would have demanded that we turn back because of Aliens or whatever the reason is, so we didn't do that but we did decide we'd just cautiously ask Houston where, how far away was the S-IVB?"

S-IVB, according to Aldrin, is what they decided to call the UFO. Now he gave this interview overseas but immediately claimed he never said any of that (to the American media.) What's odd is, he didn't retract it; he claimed he never said it. Yet there he is on video saying it!

MID, what is it you're saying was edited out? And am I understanding your answer correctly that he is, in fact, telling of a UFO sighting up there but it's no big deal because it's something most or all involved with spaceflight have dealt with before?

Excellent! Indeed. And then there are whackos like me that can make one see................anything..........



RAMS

I've heard about this. And I think it's very interesting. Who knows what is on there.

Thanks for posting the topic.

Wow, blurry photographs from an ill reputed website!!! Well, I'm convinced.

What I'm saying was editied out is the complete explanation that was arrived at 38 years ago...something which Buzz is completely aware of, as is everyone else who was involved in this rather minimally important event on the Apollo 11 mission.
You're looking at a clip of film, edited, purposefully, with music added, and all sorts of melodramatic comments, etc...designed to give one the specific impression that Buzz Aldrin is saying that the crew of Apollo 11 saw a UFO (meaning an alien vessel, of course) on their mission.


They did see a UFO (at the time (60 hours, 40 minutes into the mission, or a little after 10 pm EDT on 7-18-69)). They most certainly did not see an alien vessel.

Now, it was somewhat agreed to in those days that one didn't use the previously common terminology to refer to an unidentified flying object, or a "bogie"(that being the acronym, "UFO"). The reason for this is that even in 1968-1969, there was a relatively substantial fringe group that began equating that term to aliens, and all sorts of stuff was being spewed about alien visitation and flying saucers and such.

Apollo 11 had a rather important task ahead of them when they noticed the "UFO" on July 18, 1969. They were of course, curious about it. But they were most careful about what they said. What Buzz said (quoted above) is correct, and I think it says, in much more diplomatic terms than he's used in other places, exactly what the crew felt.

Quoted from Neil Armstrong's Biography, "First Man" (page 430, paragraph 3), Buzz said:

"We sure as hell weren't going to talk about it to the ground, because all that would do is raise a curiosity and if that got out, someone might say that NASA needed to to be commanded to abandon the mission, because we had aliens going along! Our reticence to be outspoken while it was happening was because we were just prudent. We didn't want to do anything that gave the UFO nuts any ammunition at all, because enough wild thinmgs had been said over the years about astronauts seeing strange things."

Thus, Neil simply said, "Houston, Apollo 11. Do you have any idea where the S4B is with respect to us?"

About 3 minutes later, the reply came back, "Apollo 11, Houston. The S4B is about 6000 nautical miles away from you, Over."

Neil said, "Okay, thank you."

What the crew initially thought was that the "UFO" was probably the S4B. However, when they got the aforementioned information, they realized that the S4B was not what they were seeing. The immediate rationalization that they came up with was that this had to be one of the 4 SLA adapter panels that had been ejected from the S4B to reveal the LM shortly after TLI when they began their TPD maneuver.


Nothing more was said about this until the technical debrief after the mission. Subsequently, it was determined that this was most likely what they did in fact see, because although the SLA panels were not trackable, trajectories on all of the panels could be calculated, based upon known jettison velocities and direction of jettison that were imparted upon them. With the vectors taken from design parameters, a trajectory area could be plotted for all of the panels. Oddly enough, where the crew sighted their "UFO" was within the probable trajectory corridor of one of the panels.


The issue was resolved in 1969. I should also state that Buzz said (in the same discussion with Mr. Hansen (Neil's biographer), " ...technically, we should say we did (see a UFO). But given the misstatements that would come forth from that, I'll only tell the story if I'm given enough time. I'll tell a complete story to somebody with the idea that, once they understand the whole story, they won't make a big thing of it."

It wasn't a big thing. It was resolved long ago, and as I indicated, Buzz has talked alot about lots of things in his time since Apollo 11, and I wish he'd have taken a cue from Neil Armstrong. He has, frankly, allowed himself to be set-up a couple times:

The interview you see on this little piece of video, incomplete, edited, and constructed to appear as if Buzz is talking about some mystery, when he is absolutely not, and he even allowed himself to be set up by Bart Sibrel in an interview some time back.

The only positive thing that has come of this is that we have a film of Buzz punching Bart Sibrel in the noggin...a well deserved smack in the kisser for an upstart, half-rate film maker who harrassed not only Buzz, but several other Apollo astronauts (including Neil Armstrong, for which Sibrel was arrested--Neil handles things with more dignity than any other human being I can think of, and he was never set up by Sibrel, or anyone else). We also have the record of Sibrel suing Aldrin, and the dismissal of that case by the presiding judge...which was also kind of cool!


Anyway, I digress.
I hope this answers your question adequately. The Apollo 11 UFO was not an alien vessel, nor was it even a UFO after post-flight analysis.

Umm - these photo's were taken in 1994. CGI was not as easily available like it is now. Only the seriously high end users, like oh - George Lucas, Producers of Star Trek and the likes had this. The common computer had not fully 'come of age yet'. Oh some stuff came out, but not like what we see today. That was a good 13 yrs ago, which in Computer Terms is ancient history.

Pentium - 1993-1996


So talking about this link and CGI are not in the same technology Era as it being 'common' and easy to get.

Besides as I have stated - the flaws in this sat technology is very well known and understood. It's just 'the way it is'.....

Nice picture!

Jj ~ I do see your point about photos, computer, digital, etc., and the importance of making sure that they are geniune. I agree with you about sometimes being fooled by what some authors wants a person to see. However, many times, some of these images actually are geniune. Not everything is a hoax and numerous times, people (even experts) can miss what is obvious in many photos that depict anomalous structures, such as those on the Moon, and there are strange structures on the lunar surface ~ including what appears to be roads, and base structures.

I've seen other photos of these structures on the Moon, and my own observations of the Moon show that there are some very curious things happening on this closest celestial body to our planet. You might want to take a look at some of the other images taken of the Moon to see them. They are quite interesting.

Here is a site that talks about optical tracking of the Apollo missions on their way to the Moon: http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel/space/apollo.html

There are tumbling SLA panels on either side of the spacecraft in several photographs taken from Earth:



The panels were very large, white on the outside and a darker shade on the inside.

He's pretty darned good, don't you think, Pax?

Theo -
In this case I'm not calling he pictures of the Moon a "hoax" - actually they are what they are. What I am saying is that the referenced site - has taken the pictures and is mis-representing them. Nothing more - thus why I call this ref-site a "Tabloid News" site. There is nothing credible or authoritative about what they are presenting. They have done what so many other's have done, taken pictures they are clueless about and 'seeing what they want to see' instead of what is actually the F A C T S.

very talented indeed... IMO

Excerpted-Edited by RAMS....

And, MID, you are categorically correct and if anyone would like to ask Buzz about this, can pass any mails along and his response if needed posted back here. He's a great guy. I know him since he bought several of my paintings years ago and always kept in touch.......

I love Buzz for what he is, and a solid force for NASA. But I mostly love him for this:

"In a famous 2002 incident, Aldrin punched a conspiracy theorist, Bart Sibrel, who blocked Aldrin's path and called him "a coward and a liar" outside a Beverly Hills hotel. (Sibrel has often claimed the moon landings were a hoax.) Sibrel complained to police, but authorities declined to press charges against Aldrin."

http://www.answers.com/topic/buzz-aldrin

(Too bad it wasn't a flame thrower....)

RAMS

What we don't need is these guys leaving the moon base and headng this way.........



Hey, BTW, not trying to start a war, but is it just me or does it look like there are some CD squibs coming out of the Toronto International Bank building there in the center right. I'm not sure, but this whole thing just doesn't look right.............

RAMS

I always have thought that all NLO comes from moon, there was a video just few years ago, where Nasa was filming some of their stuff and cought on camera hundreds of longish angular objects, it was quite a video.
Anyway, there are tonns of photos with these cigar like objects on the moon, coming out from the surfrace and caves, I would like to have a powerful telescope to explore moon myself as nasa is greedy on giving out any new info.
I myself have seen nlo couple times, so I pretty much believe that there is some kind of a mystery about these flying objects.

I have seen that in my vision 30 years ago.
At my young age, the Apocalyse was only a piece of poetry but i have come to realize...it could happen.

True, but they could crop...why not crop instead of adding obvious blurry spots?

So the question is,, if there are alien bases on the moon whats the real reason the government dosent want us to know. what is it money, power, what what what.

Adding to this, the tech and skill are present and have been for about 15 years now to just go back in those photos and change them and then make them look vintage. Literally, anything is possible........

RAMS


Look, squibs...............oh my. I knew this whole thing was an insider job and was 'pulled' by CDs

The Russians are actualy building a Death Ray on the moon and someone needs to stop them before theyre done building it.

your not serious are you?.....

Oh the utter irony here!

. Irony indeed...

MID SAYS: "I hope this answers your question adequately. The Apollo 11 UFO was not an alien vessel, nor was it even a UFO after post-flight analysis."

It does indeed. Thanks for the thorough answer.

Typical response. Did you read his whole post and if so, why didn't you post that too? Of course, I know you did, but then his whole post does not fit the madness, does it?

RAMS

Here is the reason in a 'nutshell' - They would be damned if they did 'crop' and they are damned if they didn't - either way they were not going to 'win' - the conspiracy nuts, would cry "COVER UP" no matter what they did.

Plus there is also that that blur did belong there - but the photo seg. simply didn't come out. I've seen that enough times too. So they just put it in to complete the picture.

Like I said, most who work with and know the technology - also are well aware of the flaws that WILL/DO happen. So since it's a no win - just put the blurr in and ride out the conspiracy nuts.

I'll say one thing. Something is up there & it's not human really. If we actually went there & they reported what they saw. About the statures then something/someone is living up there. And they don't want their secret out.

Hope that made sense.

There are no aliens on the moon, in the moon. Wow - who ever started this conspiracy sure did a great job fooling a lot of people! I'll give them that much!

And why can't I believe in something completely different. From your point of view? Sorry, I'll charge my view to make you happy.

Um... Okay, way to blindly attack based on false assumptions. I actually MEANT IT. I didn't repost his whole post because I didn't want to be repetitive. Perhaps you should check in on your own madness, you're starting to sound like a conspiracy theorist.

You did not state you were basing this on Faith.
Your statement presented a hint of possible hidden facts.
There are no facts to support this - not even sorta - kinda - maybe. That is what I read and was addressing.

So I do apologize if this a Faith Based Belief - I honestly didn't read that in your post.

I was not surprized whatsoever that Buzz gave him a shot. I was also not surprized when Ed Mitchell gave him a kick in the ass.
I think the flame thrower would've been a great idea!

...watching Sibrel running away with his posterior on fire, screaming, would've been a howl...and justice as well. But the swat in the kisser was OK...

What's amazing to me is how much evidence there is on Sibrel's own films of his harrassment of these men. I know he's had some legal problems to deal with, but if Dr. Aldrin came into my court to answer charges of assault...pressed by a man decades younger, and much larger than him, and I saw that filmed record of the "assault", I'd have locked that moron up:

"Let's see, Mr. Sibrel. You mercilessly harassed Dr. Aldrin here...pressing him beyond his limits, and he, a 70 year old man, swatted you across the kisser. And you, a strapping young man of little brain, come in here and show me a film which shows me that you harassed a bonified American hero in public, and you want to press charges for what?

"I suggest you withdraw your complaint forthwith, lest I file charges against you on behalf of the state, and lock you up pending trial....so that you can perhaps get a little electricity flowing into that rather dim bulb that's attached to the top of your head, and then, thinking clearly, if it's possible, reconsider your moronic position."


Bart Sibrel is a couple beers short of a six-pack.
Buzz, on the other hand, is most certainly not, and has some cahunes as well!

Gotta love him!

You might enjoy this poll. Betcha I can guess how you'll vote! Bet you can guess how I voted!

You're welcome. valiens.

He's approaching 90% annoying.
Yep...you know how I voted, and I know how you did !!!!

Forgive my interjection, MoonPrincess....

You are of course, permitted to believe anything that you want to.


But you posted this:





There is no need to believe this. You may know it.
There is something up there on the Moon, and it is not human whatsoever (although there are a few small and long ago completely denuded samples of stuff up there that are...or at least were, decidedly human in nature...in a biological sense...but I'm not getting into that here ).
There are lots of somethings there, and none of them are human.


It is also no secret whatsoever. No one is keeping anything from you. No one has ever photographed or seen anything on the Moon, save of course the Moon itself, which is rather interesting enough as it is. There is absolutely nothing human about it...