Unexplained Mysteries Discussion Forums > If Islam, Christianity & Judaism United....

ramster83

Apr 8 2007, 10:01 AM

These 3 religions in total equal to about 3.3 billion people around the world. Sure these 3 religions arent ALL in war. Yet they've been in wars for the last couple of thousand of years.

If these 3 main faiths (because lets faith it they wont just "go away" or "disappear") decided to unite, live side by side in peace (and yes its a long shot).

Do you think there'd be less bombs? Bullets? Missiles and explosions rocking our earth every day?
Would the world be more stable? I personally think so.

Seeming these are the 3 largest religions their relationship is rocky...Each thinking they are the one true path.
I've come to the conclusion that the one true path is reached through either branch of the faith tree.

I believe that if these 3 religions worked on peace the world would be way better than it is today.
Enough with the people saying religion should just cease to exist. Religion will NOT go away. One thing we can do - and immediately is work on communication, unity and peace.

Looking at our similarities rather than differences and having a clasp on to love.
Its a long shot but i personally know that if each and every one of us despite of our beliefs
showed more tolerance, respect and judged a person for who they are and not what their
beliefs are this would be a great step up. The World isnt in a good state right now and the future is looking bleak.

Id like your opinions and answers to these questions.

1) Do you feel that if these 3 religions united - the world would be much more peaceful?

2) Do you feel that you do enough to encourage peace and unity?

3) Do you feel that you are a good ambassador when it comes to accepting people for their beliefs and faiths and respecting them?

I want to know your stand on this. We can say "Get rid of religion" and continue our rage and ranting against a certain group of people.
Or we can encourage unity and embrace diversity and sweeten up this really sour world. What do ya's reckon?

-Ramey-

KBA

Apr 8 2007, 10:41 AM

Off topic, these are not the 3 most popular faiths, they are the 3 Abrahamic faiths. Judaism is way down in 10 or 11 on the religious popularity ranking. so I would correct you to say Islam, Christianity, and Hindu.

And these religions will never unite. You can't mix absolute idealistic doctrines, it doesn't work. If they had never existed in the first place, yes, the world would be a less violent place.. that is.. if other religions had not taken their place.

Dr. Strangelove

Apr 8 2007, 11:04 AM

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Off topic, these are not the 3 most popular faiths, they are the 3 Abrahamic faiths. Judaism is way down in 10 or 11 on the religious popularity ranking. so I would correct you to say Islam, Christianity, and Hindu.

And these religions will never unite. You can't mix absolute idealistic doctrines, it doesn't work. If they had never existed in the first place, yes, the world would be a less violent place.. that is.. if other religions had not taken their place.

Eh, if we didn't have religion, we'd find other reasons to slaughter each other.

ramster83

Apr 8 2007, 11:14 AM

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Off topic, these are not the 3 most popular faiths, they are the 3 Abrahamic faiths. Judaism is way down in 10 or 11 on the religious popularity ranking. so I would correct you to say Islam, Christianity, and Hindu.

And these religions will never unite. You can't mix absolute idealistic doctrines, it doesn't work. If they had never existed in the first place, yes, the world would be a less violent place.. that is.. if other religions had not taken their place.

KBA good job on that i just realized that yes Hinduism is the 3rd largest. Yet these 3 religions i mentioned are the most "agressive". You say these religions will never unite but this is a very narrow view. In the past there have been many examples of good men that lived peacefully with people from other faiths. Read up on history. Even though many times there was war and death there were always a few hero's (in my eyes) that instead of fighting - decided to accept their neighbors religion and to live in peace and harmony. Instead of saying "these religions will never unite" we should be encouraging them to unite - the world needs more hero's.

StoneAgeQueen

Apr 8 2007, 11:33 AM

I don't think those religions will ever unite. But I agree that it would solve a lot of problems. Then again, humans will always find something to fight over. I'm not religious so I don't have any problem what so ever accepting people's faiths. Everyone's the same in my eyes. I do see a lot of intolerance from religious people though, more so than non followers. Some of the things I've seen written on this board by religious people have been outrageous. Pure bigotry and intolerance. Ironic really.

ramster83

Apr 8 2007, 11:39 AM

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I don't think those religions will ever unite. But I agree that it would solve a lot of problems. Then again, humans will always find something to fight over. I'm not religious so I don't have any problem what so ever accepting people's faiths. Everyone's the same in my eyes. I do see a lot of intolerance from religious people though, more so than non followers. Some of the things I've seen written on this board by religious people have been outrageous. Pure bigotry and intolerance. Ironic really.

Exactly. Tolerance is absolutely essential for a believer (and "non believers" of course). Theres nothing more frustrating than me going out with my mates of all races and religions for a beer on the weekend in the city and hearing an old guy dancing with a microphone saying WERE ALL DOOMED FOR HELL. It makes me bitter that for all i stand for and the positive impact i try to have theres always going to be a moron around the corner with a microphone telling everybody theyre eternally going to burn. Thats not love. Unity is the key. Not fear and division. Heck no.!

brave_new_world

Apr 8 2007, 11:47 AM

I think if all people before they got angry stopped and counted to ten, then we would have world peace.

sbradj

Apr 8 2007, 11:55 AM

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Id like your opinions and answers to these questions.

[b]1) Do you feel that if these 3 religions united - the world would be much more peaceful?

2) Do you feel that you do enough to encourage peace and unity?

3) Do you feel that you are a good ambassador when it comes to accepting people for their beliefs and faiths and respecting them?

would that solve the problem? it is impossible for unity in different beliefs .this is why there is such wars..beliefs cant merge its not that simple ever since time has been recorded different beliefs have been involved in wars..there is no simple mergeing. though there shall be a time when there will only be one and that one will rule with power and force it will not be as nice as it is now.there will be no choice.it will be forced.

brave_new_world

Apr 8 2007, 12:00 PM

Where is the faith comrades???? The golden rule is "Do not do to another what you would not like done to yourself". If this is applied then we can very easily have world peace and have our own distinct religious beliefs. Cause in the last anaylsis everyone wants peace of mind.

And the essential purpose of all religions is to help assist you in achieving that.

EmpressStarXVII

Apr 8 2007, 12:05 PM

No, there would not be peace even if the three did find common grounds and accepted one another. Wars and hostility derive more from politics and bad foreign policy in my opinion.

brave_new_world

Apr 8 2007, 12:11 PM

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No, there would not be peace even if the three did find common grounds and accepted one another. Wars and hostility derive more from politics and bad foreign policy in my opinion.

Agreed. But it would still mitigate someof the violence nevertheless.

GoddessWhispers

Apr 8 2007, 12:15 PM

I agree with the Dr., we'd still find excuses to slaughter one another. And the extremists in all three sects beneath the Abrahamic umbrella would have a united front to take the fight to another level. War, violence, in the name of god, is an insult to any god ideology and yet there is no thing in either sect that alludes to world unity. Just sectarian superiority. That will always bear to life, conflict for the egoism that is involved in manifesting that doctrine amid a diverse world population.

StoneAgeQueen

Apr 8 2007, 12:18 PM

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Exactly. Tolerance is absolutely essential for a believer (and "non believers" of course). Theres nothing more frustrating than me going out with my mates of all races and religions for a beer on the weekend in the city and hearing an old guy dancing with a microphone saying WERE ALL DOOMED FOR HELL. It makes me bitter that for all i stand for and the positive impact i try to have theres always going to be a moron around the corner with a microphone telling everybody theyre eternally going to burn. Thats not love. Unity is the key. Not fear and division. Heck no.!

Yes, you're so right. Scaremongering and threats aren't peaceful. Without sounding like an old hippy, love and a peaceful approach is the key

. I have no problem with religious people believing that non believers are going to hell.. but they need to keep those views to themselves. it's not a very positive thing to be thinking that all the time. I think collective consciousness could have a fantastic impact on the human race, but if people just continue to concentrate on the doom and gloom it will never happen. As I said before I'm not religious, but I do accept the possibility that people like Jesus and Mohammad existed.. I think they were probably revolutionary figures, with great views on tolerance and peace. But people have corrupted their words over time.

I remember once having a conversation with one of the doomsday microphone guys in the street, I was pleasant and polite, and he managed to totally insult me and he had a really bullying attitude along with being so bigoted and intolerant. I don't think Jesus would have ever acted like that.

texasgirlheather

Apr 8 2007, 12:27 PM

This is the thinking that will bring in what has been popularly terme, "The New World Order."

I don't see how these religions can be brought together, they would each have to lie about what they believe.

I think people should just stop standing on street corners yelling about hell.

I think people of different faiths should be friendlier to each other, yes.

I don't think creating one homogenized "world religion of stuff that seems so alike to most people think that it should all be lumped together," is something that would work at all, in reality.

Dr. Strangelove

Apr 8 2007, 12:33 PM

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This is the thinking that will bring in the New World Order.

Ia! Ia! Cthulhu-Fthagn!

StoneAgeQueen

Apr 8 2007, 12:45 PM

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This is the thinking that will bring in what has been popularly terme, "The New World Order."

I don't see how these religions can be brought together, they would each have to lie about what they believe.

I think people should just stop standing on street corners yelling about hell.

I think people of different faiths should be friendlier to each other, yes.

I don't think creating one homogenized "world religion of stuff that seems so alike to most people think that it should all be lumped together," is something that would work at all, in reality.

Yeah you're right Heather, it would be part of the NWO idea.

I just think people of religions and non religions need to be more tolerant of each other. I know you're a Christian yet I have never seen you shove your views down anyone's throat here. You're always polite and non confrontational

Shadow_Hill

Apr 8 2007, 01:01 PM

My neighbour believes I should let him park on my drive. Why? Because he believes he's a superior being. There's no religion in this conflict... just one old man's belief that he is entitled to the property of another. As he is one man, he throws rubbish on my drive and tells the neighbours I am a Satan worshipper so they will join him and ignore me. If we were not simply neighbours... if I were one head of government and he were another, he would invade my country, entice other heads of government to join as his allies and their forces would join his invasion force, and instead of throwing rubbish he'd be firing missiles. I don't know what makes anyone think that peace is possible as long as men want to park on their neighbour's drive.

Beckys_Mom

Apr 8 2007, 01:05 PM

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I think people should just stop standing on street corners yelling about hell.

I think people of different faiths should be friendlier to each other, yes.

No more chanting - you are going to hell...yea i can go along with that.....to hell with that..............pun intended!!

No more religions...everyone just form an orderly line and get signed up to the NEW WORLD ORDER...where One God actually means ONE LOVE..without he extras buts!!!

rev r

Apr 8 2007, 03:02 PM

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ONE LOVE

Why can't we have audio posts. This thread needs Bob Marley in the background.

Paranoid Android

Apr 8 2007, 03:50 PM

Religion is not the problem. It is the extremists and the power-hungry individuals who control those extremists that are the problem. Religion is just the tool that they are using to accomplish their own selfish desires. If the Abrahamics did find peace together (most Christians, Jews and Muslims do live in peace with each other already, btw) then the extremists would just move to something else, and the power-hungry individuals would find a new vehicle to spout their hatred and desires.

rev r

Apr 8 2007, 04:19 PM

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Religion is not the problem. It is the extremists and the power-hungry individuals who control those extremists that are the problem. Religion is just the tool that they are using to accomplish their own selfish desires. If the Abrahamics did find peace together (most Christians, Jews and Muslims do live in peace with each other already, btw) then the extremists would just move to something else, and the power-hungry individuals would find a new vehicle to spout their hatred and desires.

Then again a unification of the Abrahamics would be a wonderful example for the rest of the world, and an excellent testament to the being you so admire.

thaphantum

Apr 8 2007, 04:45 PM

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Then again a unification of the Abrahamics would be a wonderful example for the rest of the world, and an excellent testament to the being you so admire.

the Jews and Muslims are going to sign a 7 year peace treaty... spearheaded by the antichrist... it was already predicted in the Bible... (i know some people are saying... so what)... but think about this... in order for the Bible to be right... those two groups had to survive until the time of the end... and they are still here...

you may not believe it... but just remember that when they sign the treaty....

the reason the Jews and Muslims have been fighting for thousands of years had absolutely nothing to do with religion...
i'm not sure if the Jews hate the Muslims... but I am sure that the Muslims HATE the Jews...

just check out the information on Hezbollah

wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah

and if you care to take up the search (i did a while back)... you can actually find it Egypts declared hate for the Jews on the official Egyptian website...

as far as Jews and Christians are concerned... there has really been any major conflict... one comes to mind, but it was a very long time ago...
Jews and Christians have had it out... but what was the last major RELIGIOUS war that broke out?

i'm just wondering since we are talking about peace... when was the last time a religious war involving Christians, Muslims, and Jews broke out?

StoneAgeQueen

Apr 8 2007, 04:57 PM

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just check out the information on Hezbollah

Hezbollah are hard line militia, they do not reflect all the muslim's views.

What Egyptian website are you talking about? The Governments? I find it hard to believe a governmental or any "offical" site would profess hatred of the jews.

Would you be so kind as to tell me where it was predicted in the bible?

Devendra

Apr 8 2007, 05:03 PM

IF three most ridicilous religions of planet earth would unite, I would call that the ARMAGEDDON! linked-image

thaphantum

Apr 8 2007, 07:00 PM

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Hezbollah are hard line militia, they do not reflect all the muslim's views.

they are just the group in the media... it's no secret that most Arabs want the Jews dead and don't even recognize their right to exist as a country...

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What Egyptian website are you talking about? The Governments? I find it hard to believe a governmental or any "offical" site would profess hatred of the jews.

here are two for you... feel free to hunt it down... i did it a while back, but they changed the site and i really feel lazy... but feel free...

http://www.sis.gov.eg/En/Default.htm

http://www.egypt.gov.eg/english/

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Would you be so kind as to tell me where it was predicted in the bible?

sure will...

Daniel 8:25
Daniel 9:27
Daniel 11

i'm going to add that you might want to read the ENTIRE chapter and not just the verse i provided...
Daniel 11 details the last major kindoms on earth and The Antichrist that will take over the world... by presenting a policy of peace...

KBA

Apr 8 2007, 07:03 PM

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Eh, if we didn't have religion, we'd find other reasons to slaughter each other.

I don't think you can really say that. I mean, I'm not saying religion is the only cause for murder, but it's a large one. Religion brainwashes people further than anything else can (I don't mean that as an insult, and obviously there are plenty of very intelligent religious people. But I think the most religious member of this forum could agree that at least the extremists of their religion are brainwashed). If you remove an extremely negative thing from the world, that doesn't guarantee that something else will take its place and be just as evil and violent.

thaphantum

Apr 8 2007, 07:13 PM

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I don't think you can really say that. I mean, I'm not saying religion is the only cause for murder, but it's a large one. Religion brainwashes people further than anything else can (I don't mean that as an insult, and obviously there are plenty of very intelligent religious people. But I think the most religious member of this forum could agree that at least the extremists of their religion are brainwashed). If you remove an extremely negative thing from the world, that doesn't guarantee that something else will take its place and be just as evil and violent.

what about land, money, power, and respect? society has brainwashed itself to believe in those extremist ideas... so even if you were to remove religion... people would still kill for those reasons...

and we would still have hate groups... and the occasional thrill killers that just do it for fun...

Dr. Strangelove

Apr 8 2007, 08:09 PM

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I don't think you can really say that. I mean, I'm not saying religion is the only cause for murder, but it's a large one. Religion brainwashes people further than anything else can (I don't mean that as an insult, and obviously there are plenty of very intelligent religious people. But I think the most religious member of this forum could agree that at least the extremists of their religion are brainwashed). If you remove an extremely negative thing from the world, that doesn't guarantee that something else will take its place and be just as evil and violent.

Religion is a handy scape-goat for people who want to kill someone. They'll say "God(or whatever your invisible person is) has passed judgement on them, and they must be slaughtered!".

We'd just find other reasons.

KBA

Apr 8 2007, 08:18 PM

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Religion is a handy scape-goat for people who want to kill someone. They'll say "God(or whatever your invisible person is) has passed judgement on them, and they must be slaughtered!".

We'd just find other reasons.

Why would somebody look for an excuse if they really want to kill someone? There's plenty of psychopath serial murders out there who will plainly state that they did what they did because they liked killing people. People who want to kill people to the point that they'd actually do it wouldn't bother to find an excuse. But the fact is.. that religion instills extreme hate in people. Take the Westboro Baptist Church family for example. 12 kids, and almost all of them adopted the hateful beliefs. They absolutely hate gay people, because they were raised into it. It's murders from people who have learned to hate like this that are directly the cause of someone's interpretation of the religion.

Or look at Islamic martyrs. Without islam, they would almost definitely not be blowing themselves up. They do it directly because of their religion, and they believe they are rewarded for it once they die.
All religious murderers are not naturally evil people. Some are, but some are simply brainwashed to the point where the people they are killing are not considered human to them.

Shadow_Hill

Apr 8 2007, 08:18 PM

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Religion is a handy scape-goat for people who want to kill someone. They'll say "God(or whatever your invisible person is) has passed judgement on them, and they must be slaughtered!".

We'd just find other reasons.

It's true, we would. My one neighbour hated our old neighbour so much, based purely on the fact that he wore a baseball cap and lowered the tone of the neighbourhood

, that he ripped out his TV wires and threw them on his drive! I mean, people are just plain stupid.

Cradle of Fish

Apr 8 2007, 08:24 PM

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they are just the group in the media... it's no secret that most Arabs want the Jews dead and don't even recognize their right to exist as a country...
here are two for you... feel free to hunt it down... i did it a while back, but they changed the site and i really feel lazy... but feel free...

I think, frankly, creating a jewish state in the middle of the muslim world was a huge mistake. They had a 'biblical' right to be there, sure, but what other justification did they have? The creation of israel is like throwing a mouse into a cage full of cats, only the mouse has a big rottweiler ready to jump in if anything happens to it, its just a messy situation.

As for unified abrahamic religion, firstly christianity has to be unified, and you probably all know the kind of hatred Protestants and Catholics shout at each other. Then theres the muslims, sunni and shi'ite just dont get along.

MissMelsWell

Apr 8 2007, 08:36 PM

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I think, frankly, creating a jewish state in the middle of the muslim world was a huge mistake. They had a 'biblical' right to be there, sure, but what other justification did they have? The creation of israel is like throwing a mouse into a cage full of cats, only the mouse has a big rottweiler ready to jump in if anything happens to it, its just a messy situation.

As for unified abrahamic religion, firstly christianity has to be unified, and you probably all know the kind of hatred Protestants and Catholics shout at each other. Then theres the muslims, sunni and shi'ite just dont get along.

I don't know that Catholics and Protestants hate each other, but they do have some differing beliefs. If necessary, I think the Protestants and Catholics would and do work together when necessary.

Now as for the Sunni's and Shi'ites, they really do have a serious problem.

sbradj

Apr 8 2007, 08:39 PM

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My neighbour believes I should let him park on my drive. Why? Because he believes he's a superior being. There's no religion in this conflict... just one old man's belief that he is entitled to the property of another. As he is one man, he throws rubbish on my drive and tells the neighbours I am a Satan worshipper so they will join him and ignore me. If we were not simply neighbours... if I were one head of government and he were another, he would invade my country, entice other heads of government to join as his allies and their forces would join his invasion force, and instead of throwing rubbish he'd be firing missiles. I don't know what makes anyone think that peace is possible as long as men want to park on their neighbour's drive.

good point SH. there will always be a battle for dominec with ppl...and parking on others drives.thats the key to the whole peace problem.

thaphantum

Apr 8 2007, 09:04 PM

QUOTE(Cradle of Fish @ Apr 8 2007, 01:24 PM) [snapback]1619047[/snapback]

I think, frankly, creating a jewish state in the middle of the muslim world was a huge mistake. They had a 'biblical' right to be there, sure, but what other justification did they have? The creation of israel is like throwing a mouse into a cage full of cats, only the mouse has a big rottweiler ready to jump in if anything happens to it, its just a messy situation.

As for unified abrahamic religion, firstly christianity has to be unified, and you probably all know the kind of hatred Protestants and Catholics shout at each other. Then theres the muslims, sunni and shi'ite just dont get along.

what right does the United States have to exist?

the U.S. came over here and slaughtered the native americans... but nobody says that the U.S. doesn't have the right to exist...

so why doesn't Israel have the right to exist? they became a huge military power and took back their own land... without the help of the U.S...

maybe you should do some reading on the 6 day war... Israel is their own rotwiler... and the other nations would be more like mice...

thaphantum

Apr 8 2007, 09:06 PM

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I don't know that Catholics and Protestants hate each other, but they do have some differing beliefs. If necessary, I think the Protestants and Catholics would and do work together when necessary.

as far as unifying the two denominations... it will never work... Catholics won't give up their beliefs... and Protestants won't conform to what the Catholics believe... and vice versa...

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Now as for the Sunni's and Shi'ites, they really do have a serious problem.

that is a point i can agree with you on...

Dr. Strangelove

Apr 8 2007, 09:40 PM

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what right does the United States have to exist?

the U.S. came over here and slaughtered the native americans... but nobody says that the U.S. doesn't have the right to exist...

so why doesn't Israel have the right to exist? they became a huge military power and took back their own land... without the help of the U.S...

maybe you should do some reading on the 6 day war... Israel is their own rotwiler... and the other nations would be more like mice...

I do.

SilverCougar

Apr 8 2007, 11:02 PM

QUOTE

1) Do you feel that if these 3 religions united - the world would be much more peaceful?

2) Do you feel that you do enough to encourage peace and unity?

3) Do you feel that you are a good ambassador when it comes to accepting people for their beliefs and faiths and respecting them?

1: Yes and No. Yes in the way that, hey.. they've learned to put their differences aside. No, because they'll probaly come after everyone else that's not conformed to those faiths.

2: No probaly not. I don't think anyone can.

3: I say yes... others will say no. Those who say no, are generaly those to rub my fur the wrong way and get on my badside.

ramster83

Apr 8 2007, 11:32 PM

QUOTE

the Jews and Muslims are going to sign a 7 year peace treaty... spearheaded by the antichrist... it was already predicted in the Bible... (i know some people are saying... so what)... but think about this... in order for the Bible to be right... those two groups had to survive until the time of the end... and they are still here...

you may not believe it... but just remember that when they sign the treaty....

the reason the Jews and Muslims have been fighting for thousands of years had absolutely nothing to do with religion...
i'm not sure if the Jews hate the Muslims... but I am sure that the Muslims HATE the Jews...

just check out the information on Hezbollah

The Muslims dont hate the Jews for absolutely no reason. The Jews Were The Descendants Of Issac - the Muslims/Arabs descended from Ishmaeel. So essentially Arabs and Jews are Cousins.
I feel that in terms of back in the day the Arabs were jealous of the jews because the Jews had it much better. They were more wealthier. Better lifestyle. My father is Arabic. He's not a big fan of Jews but he judges one individually cause my friends a Jew and he doenst mind at all. The true hatred for Israel, Zionism etc didnt stem until 1948. That was when the UN (with backed up agreement) decided to split the region into Jewish/Arab states and thats when it became a war of the lands. Palestine has diminished into other territories and isnt its own state anymore. So i dont think the Jews are big fans of Muslims anymore because of the Muslim reaction. Most of the hatred against the Jews from Modern day arabs stems from oppresion and occupation (in their opinion) of the Muslim Palestinian state which no longer exists and is lost. Its sad the whole thing really but i wish that region would just find peace but i doubt it will happen.

KBA

Apr 8 2007, 11:43 PM

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I do.

I second that. The US has become great on the heels and hard work of others, with violence, nation-building and nation destroying. We almost all come from another place and what respect have we given the world for that? A god-complex and a slap in the face. "We can't have them mexicans stealin our jobs!" Etc.. We've ruined cultures, we've discriminated, we've acted condescending..

And I have to say while we're moving in the right direction, we still have a long way to go, and there are reasons that much of the world has stereotyped Americans.

thaphantum

Apr 8 2007, 11:57 PM

QUOTE(ramster83 @ Apr 8 2007, 04:32 PM) [snapback]1619262[/snapback]

The Muslims dont hate the Jews for absolutely no reason. The Jews Were The Descendants Of Issac - the Muslims/Arabs descended from Ishmaeel. So essentially Arabs and Jews are Cousins.
I feel that in terms of back in the day the Arabs were jealous of the jews because the Jews had it much better. They were more wealthier. Better lifestyle. My father is Arabic. He's not a big fan of Jews but he judges one individually cause my friends a Jew and he doenst mind at all. The true hatred for Israel, Zionism etc didnt stem until 1948. That was when the UN (with backed up agreement) decided to split the region into Jewish/Arab states and thats when it became a war of the lands. Palestine has diminished into other territories and isnt its own state anymore. So i dont think the Jews are big fans of Muslims anymore because of the Muslim reaction. Most of the hatred against the Jews from Modern day arabs stems from oppresion and occupation (in their opinion) of the Muslim Palestinian state which no longer exists and is lost. Its sad the whole thing really but i wish that region would just find peace but i doubt it will happen.

i'm aware of why they don't get along... and it makes perfect sense... they are all related and can trace their lineage back to the same man...

what i noticed is that you failed to mention the 1968... 6 days war in which the Arab nations decided to put an end to Israel and were going to launch an all out attack... but Israel stompped then into the ground and took back Jerusalem...

what i don't understand is why is everyone mad? we know it belonged to the Jews in the first place... they just took back what was theirs to begin with... so why the attitude? not only that... they didn't start the war... they just finished it... even though they were out gunned and out manned 5 to 1...

but then again... it wasn't really a surprise... because God said... when He puts them back in their land... He would never again let them be removed... kinda makes one think that maybe there might be something to this whole God thing...

Lt_Ripley

Apr 9 2007, 02:30 AM

if people quit making beliefs about politics and trying to insert it into government. if they quit using it as a power platform over others for various reasons, if they were to live and let live and respect others beliefs as just as valid

the world wouldn't be as screwed up as it is.

MissMelsWell

Apr 9 2007, 05:47 AM

QUOTE(thaphantum @ Apr 8 2007, 02:06 PM) [snapback]1619077[/snapback]

as far as unifying the two denominations... it will never work... Catholics won't give up their beliefs... and Protestants won't conform to what the Catholics believe... and vice versa...
that is a point i can agree with you on...

Oh, I NEVER said that the two factions of Protestants and Catholics would ever be "United" in their beliefs and practice (trust me, my own practice could not be more oposite to Catholic, think of everything Catholics aren't... that's my faith. haha), BUT what I did say is that they would be able to work together quite easily on a secular or even a general Christian cause. I've seen it happen over and over again. Have been part of distinctly religious charity projects where Protestants and Catholics work together quite nicely.

The same could not be said for Sunni's and Shi'ites.

Mr Slayer

Apr 9 2007, 07:04 AM

QUOTE(Dr. Strangelove @ Apr 8 2007, 02:33 PM) [snapback]1618664[/snapback]

Ia! Ia! Cthulhu-Fthagn!

I would actually think this was funny if I recently hadn't learned of his racism. That made the Omnibus 1 much less fun to read...

Sorry, off-topic.

I do believe this world would be a better place without religion. I don't think the three grand beliefs will ever reconcile, simply because they are different and have different goals.

Paranoid Android

Apr 9 2007, 03:06 PM

QUOTE(KBA @ Apr 9 2007, 05:03 AM) [snapback]1618991[/snapback]

I don't think you can really say that. I mean, I'm not saying religion is the only cause for murder, but it's a large one. Religion brainwashes people further than anything else can (I don't mean that as an insult, and obviously there are plenty of very intelligent religious people. But I think the most religious member of this forum could agree that at least the extremists of their religion are brainwashed). If you remove an extremely negative thing from the world, that doesn't guarantee that something else will take its place and be just as evil and violent.

I think the actions that can be observed at a football (soccer) match speak for themselves. People can be attacked, assaulted, even killed, simply because they were a different jersey. In the wider context, riots occur when a team wins or loses, and is again the result of fanatics (fans) within the sport. They are not representative of the majority of soccer fans, or even representative of sports fans in general.

Look at a soccer riot one day, analyze a soccer riot, and then try and tell me that all the problems of religious extremism would disappear if we got rid of religion.....

MissMelsWell

Apr 9 2007, 03:24 PM

QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 9 2007, 08:06 AM) [snapback]1620184[/snapback]

I think the actions that can be observed at a football (soccer) match speak for themselves. People can be attacked, assaulted, even killed, simply because they were a different jersey. In the wider context, riots occur when a team wins or loses, and is again the result of fanatics (fans) within the sport. They are not representative of the majority of soccer fans, or even representative of sports fans in general.

Look at a soccer riot one day, analyze a soccer riot, and then try and tell me that all the problems of religious extremism would disappear if we got rid of religion.....

And I think this is what people really don't understand, or wish not to understand. It's fanatics and exremists who are a problem. Unfortunately, they are everywhere and in every aspect of life even outside of religion.

Beckys_Mom

Apr 9 2007, 04:08 PM

QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Apr 8 2007, 04:50 PM) [snapback]1618815[/snapback]

Religion is not the problem. It is the extremists and the power-hungry individuals who control those extremists that are the problem. Religion is just the tool that they are using to accomplish their own selfish desires. If the Abrahamics did find peace together (most Christians, Jews and Muslims do live in peace with each other already, btw) then the extremists would just move to something else, and the power-hungry individuals would find a new vehicle to spout their hatred and desires.

Well whadda ya know...........he's right!! its true the extremists would spoil it

but what if there where a law against those extremists...anyone caught trying to spolit the united front..will spend an EXTREME sentence...that should shut them up LMAO