I'm skeptical that any of the magick in the world today actually works. It all seems like a lot of silly superstition to me.

I looking for stories from people who have tried magick and found it worked. I'm not talking about magic tricks like David Copperfield does. I'm talking about witchcraft, sorcery, divination, astrology, and other forms of magick. If you've tried magick and found it worked then tell me your story. What makes you think it worked?

If it worked then these people would be much wealthier and powerful.

It exists...in the sense that emo's, goths and scam-artists use it.

Words of power do exist but such knowledge is quite hidden. There are supposedly ways to summon certain elemental spirits and angels all of which have different purposes. Some Atlanteans possessed such knowledge which lead to their destruction and the King of Atlantis known as Thoth went to Khem(Egypt) and taught the people we now know as the Egyptians. The Gods of the Egyptians were not mythical creations of the human mind but were infact very real and very intelligent people. Anyways, if you want to learn about the subject I suggest learning about Thoth aka Hermes.

http://hem.bredband.net/arenamontanus/Mage/enochianer.html

pretty good link to get you started

I dare say to imply "these people" would be much richer and more powerful, is to presume no one that is rich or powerful practices magic. And magic, is such that it may encompass any number of techniques, beliefs, etc... Also there are a number of contemporary authors that write about magic, and the principles of the art, that I dare say are at least comfortable in their financial portfolio. One has but to conduct an Amazon.com search of the keyword, to find numerous texts, wherein some of the most notable authors are listed. Donald Tyson, is but one that comes to mind.

I would dare say magic is real, because it's a matter , to my research, of the will working in concert with the energy of potential. Some people practice creative visualization techniques, and these to may fall beneath the umbrella of magic. As creative visualization is certainly involved in magical practice. And if it was credible in the mind of King Solomon, and other patriarchs of the christians bible, if it was referenced in ancient Sumerian text, Babylonian , Greek, Egyptian, and other cultures, I'd say someone knew something about what they were talking about, when they believed in magic.

Magic is man's wish to have power and control it. It doesn't exist. Science is the next best thing.

Just because people believe in magick doesn't mean it works. People believe in all sorts of superstitions that aren't real. How do you know magick actually works? Have you ever witnessed magick?

I would ask how you know it doesn't work? Is it something you believe, or is it something you know.

The believed in gods with animal heads too. Doesn't mean any of it was real. Wishful thinking.

You can say that about any religion. So then, all beliefs based on faith are nothing more than wishful thinking? Some theories in science then are wishful thinking.

I've made posts on how magic works and the reality of what it is and isn't.


Magic as in hocus pocus, wave a wand, chant some spells and poof, load of cash, or your boss is a frog is not real. We all know Copperfield and his ilk are illutionists.

Things that you see on Buffy, The Craft, The Covenent, Charmed and the like... that's called "Hollywoodism". Yeah sure, Willow and those chicka on Charmed are Wiccans... but that's about all they have in simularity to real wiccans. Everything else is just what Hollywood does to make a buck and entertain people.


What magic is, though, is sway and conditioning one's mind to preceive things differently. Now I'm not saying, chant a spell and your mind will see blue eyes instead of brown. I'm saying that bringing your mind up to a level that will become more aware of certain things through chants, incantations, meditation, and such is what can happen when using magic.

Also by sway, I mean swaying fate. You recite a money spell, your asking fate to sway in your favour to bring in more cash. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. A while back someone here had a money spell casted for him, and it worked. I think it was BurnSide... You'll have to ask him. *chuckles*

But all that magic stuff that you see on TV... how the reeks did all these odd spells, and the Egyptians did ressurecting spells... That's just hollywood hype. The Book of the Dead is no more reliable then any other book written back then... and this is comming from someone who worships Bast. Same goes for the stuff Merlin did. That is legend.

Now the magic I do, healing magic as a shaman... that is conditioning the mind and body to heal itself. That is asking the gods and fate to sway in a way that will allow someone to heal faster after whatever procedure they had from modern medical help. I'm very strict about this though. If someone comes to me with something that *needs* a doctor... needs a hospital.. I make sure they go there first. Afterwards... I can help condition their mind and body and energy to heal faster and with less pain. Which is where herbal work and Massage Therapy will come in.

You have to remember, you can't change the laws of physic and nature. Waving your hand and changing your eyes a different color can't happen. Where as some people's eye color will change with stresses and emotions. Waving your hand and making a bundle of cash appear is breaking the law of physics. You can't create matter out of nothing, and you can't teleport matter like a bag o' cash.

So your purpose in asking this question was to criticise the repliers?



Those gods were real people.


Magick is definately real and is definately not easy to learn about. The secret names of the angels are what unlocks the power to control the elemental spirits but it is much more complicated then that. Magick represents the foundation for which all of existance is based upon as set forth by the Most High.



Not true. It is not all legend. There really exists words that invoke enormous power. Infact it is more powerful then an atomic bomb. Read some stories about the Egyptian Gods like when Isis is traveling alone and summons giant scorpions to protect her and how she tricked Ra into giving her his secret name of power and so on. Interesting stuff. The kind of magick you're talking about exists but that isn't the same as real magick.

I don't know. I'm skeptical that it works. It seems like silly superstittion. I'm trying to find out if it actually works. I'm looking for anecdotal evidence for the existence of magick.

I don't know. I'm skeptical that it works. It seems like silly superstittion. I'm trying to find out if it actually works. I'm looking for anecdotal evidence for the existence of magick.

Honestly, I'll stay neutral on this topic until someone claims the JREF $1 million. I think there are possibilities that we humans would consider physically impossible or magic out there, but they are simply beyond our understanding. If a modern top illusionist went a ways into the past he could convince the general public that he was God himself.

I didn't criticise him. I just asked him how does he know magick is real.

That's just a story dear. Hells, I've done my fair share of trying to cast spells to summon something, change something like my body... And nothing happens. However, when I cast a spell to help sway and condition, I find that I lose weight easier.. I had luck with college. (everytime I cast this one spell.. my grants get readjusted so they cover more of my tuition and I pay less.)

If you can cast a spell to summon a giant scorpion.. take a picture. Untill then, spells like that are from humans grand imagination. That and you must remember.. Isis is a goddess. Not a mortal human. Gods had always been able to do such fantastic things.

Magic is real. Whatever you believe in intensely enough will manifest as real. Whether it be magic or something else.

I know magic is real... *raises hand* Shaman. I use healing magic.

However, when one says magic, people think that it's like what is seen on TV or what the gods did way back when. It's not. And people who use magic know what it really is and what it's really like.

lol....

Ok, this is good. Now can you give me an example were you've cast a spell and it worked? What did you observe that made you think it worked?

I don't know if magick really works or not. I'm skeptical that it works. I'm looking for eye witness accounts from people who have used magick or have seen magick work. I don't know if people can actually see magick work or if they just take it on faith that it works. I'm looking for anecdotal evidence that magick works.

ANYTHING is real, IF YOU WANT IT TO BE. If you really want to know if it works or not you should not ask others but try it yourself.

BTW, is this in the right thread?

How could anything be real just because we want it to be? Things don't happen just because we want them to. You have to take action to make things happen.

I have tried magick. I tried divination using the I Ching. The results have been questionable. I don't know if the answers I got were accurate. I read the horoscope too. Astrology is a form of magick. Some times the horoscope seems to be accurate and sometimes it seems to not apply to me. Most of the time it seems to not apply to me. I'm skeptical. I want to hear people's stories. It doesn't hurt to get a little anecdotal evidence that magick is real.

Wicca is an intresting subject...that's why i have a section in my forum faced directly on WICCA

I cant say it works..I havent tried it..it's not that easy...too much work for my liking..but those that do...hold the answers...

LoL I don't mean ANYTHING. I mean that if someone wants really something to be real, they might convince themself that it's real. Like your horoscopes for example. I read horoscopes yet most of the time they are wrong. Though sometimes they are right. If I want it badly enough, I might convince myself that horoscopes actually work.

Ok, I agree with that. People can convince themselves anything is real. I see your point. I didn't think of it that way. Your saying magick seems real to those who practice it because they want it to be real.

Yes. I've read a little about magic. I've also read on how to conjure up spirits. Though I didn't really buy into it. It also seemed that the writer was trying to scare people away from attempting the ritual by saying things like "This is for highly experiences magicians only" and "extremely dangerous". I didn't bother with magic since.

Magic must not be very real if nobody has enough faith in it to tell me how they know it works. People assure me that it is real, but nobody has told me how they know it is real.

"Magick" is as real as any mythology based custom... yes there are actions that people can perform...ceremonies, prayers and the like that people can do and can claim such things as performing magic, but in the end it is not the ceremony itself that is in question, but rather the end results. Is the prayer answered in a discernable manner? did the magic ceremeony produce the intended result? In the end, I do not think that there is a confirmed result of such things, but that is just my opinion.

That's what I was trying to find out. Is there a confirmed result for magick? I'm skeptical that there is a confirmed result of magick.

I knew Santa was real. Heck yeah.

Magick is just a way to harness the power of your own mind- and that is very real a lot of people don't understand it, but it's really just ritual for you to focus your thoughts. it isn't turning people into toads and making brad Pitt fall in love with you

I want to be married to a certain fictional character...

But that ain't real, nor happening. And I want it to be.

I want 20 million dollahs to materialize in my lap.

But tha ain't real, nor happening. And I want it to be.


So, no... not everything will be real, even if you want it to be. Not even magic.

There's two laws every person who practices magic should know. And know that they can't be broken. The law of Physics, and the law of Nature. No matter what you do, or try to cast, those laws cannot be broken.

Magic is three types.

Illutionist
Imaginary
Sway of fate and conditioning of the mind.

Illutionist is the kind we see Copperfield and street magicians do. The hocus pocus saw a lady in half, pick a card any card, make the statue of liberty dissapear type.

Imaginary is the stuff legends are made of, the stuff Hollywoodism thrives on, and the stuff Harry Potter can do. No matter how hard we try, we cannot wave a wand, speak words, and make something turn into another thing and so on. That would be breaking the two laws.

Sway of fate and conditioning of the mind I place together, because this is the magic real people can do. Coppled with mondain things like healing herbs, visionary herbs, crystals, and other such things, this magic is what we practice today.

Swaying of fate is as it sounds. We're asking our gods of choice and the fates to sway the outcome of something. Be it weight loss, acing a test or a job interview... protecting yourself or those you care for. Some even go far as "summoning" demons or whatnot for aid in what they want an outcome to be.

Though summoning really is conditioning your mind to preceive such things. The spellwork that you do.. the chanting, the particulare incense you use, the lighting.. everything is geared to set your mind up to "see" certain things and do certain things. You want to see demons, well to your mind's conditioned state... that's what you'll preceive to be helping you.

You want to do healing magic on someone... then the chanting, incense, and such will help condition their mind to heal the body. And with the use of herbs that are known to help heal a particulare infliction, it will work. It's all about knowing how to condition your or someone's mind to be opened to what you want them to be opened to.

LoL yeah. When he came to my house last year, I oldman-napped him. That's why he no longer exists.



LoL yes you're saying the same thing jim was saying earlier. If you want to know what I really meant go back and read what i wrote to him.

Having said that, magic still doesn't exist, not to me.

BTW, see my about the money think, I can help you. jk.

And this is where you stopped making sence...

That's ok. You don't have to get it.

Why is it.. when people come here and go off sounding like they are either half baked, or half there... Completely ignore explinations give, and just go off on the nonserious parts of a post making no sence what so ever... Then when called out on it they say "Oh, you just don't get it."


No, I got it. You don't have a damned clue.

You need to go back and read her post. She makes perfect sense. She said people can convince themselves anything is real. That makes sense to me.

From my inspiration of White Wolf's "Mage: The Ancension" I'll say that it might be a possiblity that magick is one of the paradigms that was created by willworkers (humans with the power to alter & shape reality to their own ends) centuries ago by tapping into some unknown powersource of reality that can be altered/shaped by the willworkers desires. The only possible reason that "magic doesn't exist" in todays world is that we are actually living under a massive consensual reality that dicates that "magic cannot work" which is operated by a huge conspiracy run by these same willworkers who created the scientific paradigm that the modern world abides by...