i go the idea from the thread going on about the Bible's view on homosexuality...
some people think it's a choice... some don't... so i found a few sites that explore the differing opinions of people on both sides...
Ex Gay Movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-gay
http://pfox.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=108&...b9210d30ec5f6a4
A Lesbian That Hates That People Think Its Genetic
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa36...911/ai_n8875509
http://www.skeptictank.org/hs/exght11.htm
http://www.jewsonfirst.org/06b/gr070.html
Exodus International
http://www.exodus-international.org/
http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2004/09/exgay-cure-for/
what i find the most interesting thing about some of what i read is that... whenever someone crosses back over to the heterosexual lifestyle... other gays viewed these people as traitors... and then make allegations that these people were never gay to begin with...
but really interests me is that some gay people don't think it's genetic... they view it as a CHOICE... so to all the people that argue genetics... with absolutely NO scientific evidence to prove your point... who are you to say these people are wrong?
if anyone else has any links on the issue... feel free to add...
Full Version: Homosexuals vs. Ex Homosexuals
What annoys me is the homosexual's that say it's neither a choice nor genetic. Then what the hell is it?
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Apr 9 2007, 07:31 PM) [snapback]1621369[/snapback]
What annoys me is the homosexual's that say it's neither a choice nor genetic. Then what the hell is it?
I have to agree...and OMG..you make me laugh.
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Apr 9 2007, 07:31 PM) [snapback]1621369[/snapback]
What annoys me is the homosexual's that say it's neither a choice nor genetic. Then what the hell is it?
lol... it's an alien implant...
QUOTE
THE GENETICS OF HOMOSEXUALITY
Dara Newman
In trying to decide on a topic for this WWW project, it seemed logical to try and focus on a current subject. Homosexuality and homosexual behavior has existed for thousands and thousands of years, probably even before the times of homo-sapiens. However, up until a few years ago, the issue was discussed mostly by people in the social sciences. Psychologists, such as Freud, studied homosexuals extensively in hopes of coming up with an explanation for their "abnormal" behavior. All of the explanations that these people created linked homosexuality to experiences that homosexuals have while growing up. Generally speaking, people in the world of psychology believed that homosexuality could be explained by a person's environment. However, in the past four or five years, the subject of homosexuality has been creeping into the world of biology. Studies have been done recently that attempt to look at homosexuality in a scientific light in hopes of coming up with a genetic explanation for sexual preference.
One of the first successful scientific studies that was done on homosexuality was reported on in 1993. The purpose of this study was to look at families in which there was an abnormally high occurrence of homosexuality. By extensively studying the family histories of these families, researchers hoped to find some clues pointing towards the genetic factors that affect homosexuality. That is exactly what happened. By looking at the family trees of gay males (For some reason, this study only focused on male homosexuality, but made the claim that their findings would be similar to the ones that would be found by looking at female homosexuality. As this paper will discuss later, this assumption that male and female homosexuality can easily be compared may be entirely inaccurate.) it seemed that the majority of homosexual occurrences were on the maternal side of the tree. From this information, researchers concluded that if in fact there was a "homosexual gene", it appeared to be passed down from mother to son. This means that heterosexual females are carriers of this gene, and when it is passed down to a male child, there is a chance that the child will be a homosexual. While this study did not come up with any hard core facts about the genetics of homosexuality, it showed that a connection very well could exist. Since this study did determine that the gene influencing homosexuality was carried by the mother, researchers participating in further studies knew that they could limit their search to the X chromosome, and that is exactly what they did (5).
Link to the rest of the paper.
Dara Newman
In trying to decide on a topic for this WWW project, it seemed logical to try and focus on a current subject. Homosexuality and homosexual behavior has existed for thousands and thousands of years, probably even before the times of homo-sapiens. However, up until a few years ago, the issue was discussed mostly by people in the social sciences. Psychologists, such as Freud, studied homosexuals extensively in hopes of coming up with an explanation for their "abnormal" behavior. All of the explanations that these people created linked homosexuality to experiences that homosexuals have while growing up. Generally speaking, people in the world of psychology believed that homosexuality could be explained by a person's environment. However, in the past four or five years, the subject of homosexuality has been creeping into the world of biology. Studies have been done recently that attempt to look at homosexuality in a scientific light in hopes of coming up with a genetic explanation for sexual preference.
One of the first successful scientific studies that was done on homosexuality was reported on in 1993. The purpose of this study was to look at families in which there was an abnormally high occurrence of homosexuality. By extensively studying the family histories of these families, researchers hoped to find some clues pointing towards the genetic factors that affect homosexuality. That is exactly what happened. By looking at the family trees of gay males (For some reason, this study only focused on male homosexuality, but made the claim that their findings would be similar to the ones that would be found by looking at female homosexuality. As this paper will discuss later, this assumption that male and female homosexuality can easily be compared may be entirely inaccurate.) it seemed that the majority of homosexual occurrences were on the maternal side of the tree. From this information, researchers concluded that if in fact there was a "homosexual gene", it appeared to be passed down from mother to son. This means that heterosexual females are carriers of this gene, and when it is passed down to a male child, there is a chance that the child will be a homosexual. While this study did not come up with any hard core facts about the genetics of homosexuality, it showed that a connection very well could exist. Since this study did determine that the gene influencing homosexuality was carried by the mother, researchers participating in further studies knew that they could limit their search to the X chromosome, and that is exactly what they did (5).
Link to the rest of the paper.
I got a bad feeling this thread might be come insulting to some people. Lets try to be sensitive to people feelings.
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Apr 10 2007, 03:42 AM) [snapback]1621381[/snapback]
lol... it's an alien implant...
thaphantum this thread is no use...you could have added this to the other NEW homosexual threads
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 9 2007, 08:01 PM) [snapback]1621417[/snapback]
thaphantum this thread is no use...you could have added this to the other NEW homosexual threads
I agree the other thread encompasses all these same questions.....
QUOTE(Supra Sheri @ Apr 9 2007, 08:05 PM) [snapback]1621420[/snapback]
I agree the other thread encompasses all these same questions.....
based on the topic of the other thread... it was about the Biblical view of homosexuality...
this topic is specifically about how homosexuals view their own lifestyle as either a choice or genetics...
i moreso meant it to be a resource thread... and for people to share actual links to sites on the web that they find debating the issue...
it's not meant to be an argument thread for people who are not homosexuals...
links to either scientific studies would be nice... or links to how homosexuals feel about the issue would also be nice...
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Apr 10 2007, 02:31 AM) [snapback]1621369[/snapback]
What annoys me is the homosexual's that say it's neither a choice nor genetic. Then what the hell is it?
It's sleep paralysis.
If I told you that I was homosexual, and that I have tried and tried and tried to love men, but my brain just refuses to find them sexual attractive, that I'm wrong. 
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Apr 10 2007, 04:42 AM) [snapback]1621489[/snapback]
based on the topic of the other thread... it was about the Biblical view of homosexuality...
this topic is specifically about how homosexuals view their own lifestyle as either a choice or genetics...
i moreso meant it to be a resource thread... and for people to share actual links to sites on the web that they find debating the issue...
it's not meant to be an argument thread for people who are not homosexuals...
links to either scientific studies would be nice... or links to how homosexuals feel about the issue would also be nice...
this topic is specifically about how homosexuals view their own lifestyle as either a choice or genetics...
i moreso meant it to be a resource thread... and for people to share actual links to sites on the web that they find debating the issue...
it's not meant to be an argument thread for people who are not homosexuals...
links to either scientific studies would be nice... or links to how homosexuals feel about the issue would also be nice...
making a thread based on another thread which is the SAME is not allowed
merge it with another the same
but if you made it to poke fun...go for it
remember I said IF
What's the point? Still no reason to hate them or anything. Just because some ancient scribblings of mythology tells you to hate, doesn't mean you have to. Think for yourself?
I was recently reading about certain Native American cultural views on sexuality that were held in the past. It's very interesting, they accepted homosexuality for what it was and didn't question or judge. They were accepted, both men and women. If they happened to be born as an intersexed person (I think that's the term, or old timey term hermaphrodite) they were seen as gifted for possessing both male and female attributes. They were regarded highly in their cultures.
How awesome is that? They didn't need science to tell them that they had a right to be gay. And the intersexed individuals were viewed as special in a positive way, they had no reasons to feel abnormal, which is a beautiful thing.
How awesome is that? They didn't need science to tell them that they had a right to be gay. And the intersexed individuals were viewed as special in a positive way, they had no reasons to feel abnormal, which is a beautiful thing.
QUOTE(airika @ Apr 10 2007, 01:48 PM) [snapback]1621499[/snapback]
If I told you that I was homosexual, and that I have tried and tried and tried to love men, but my brain just refuses to find them sexual attractive, that I'm wrong.
*shows airika a little ankle* yooo-hoo
Who cares whether it is genes or choice. Why is there an overwhelming NEED to find a gay gene? To cure homosexuals? To understand why gay's are gay? Ugh, let it go and learn to accept that there are different personalities all around us whether we like it or not. (And I'm not directing that to anybody here, just everyone in general.)
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Apr 9 2007, 09:12 PM) [snapback]1621531[/snapback]
*shows airika a little ankle* yooo-hoo
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!
You never fail to make me laugh!
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Apr 9 2007, 08:52 PM) [snapback]1621507[/snapback]
What's the point? Still no reason to hate them or anything. Just because some ancient scribblings of mythology tells you to hate, doesn't mean you have to. Think for yourself?
how about you try thinking for yourself... and then try reading the posts... this has nothing to do with religions... just how homosexuals view it as either a choice or genetic...
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Apr 9 2007, 11:17 PM) [snapback]1621541[/snapback]
how about you try thinking for yourself... and then try reading the posts... this has nothing to do with religions... just how homosexuals view it as either a choice or genetic...
Here's an idea then... Read the forum you're posting in... Spirituality vs Skepticism.
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Apr 9 2007, 09:12 PM) [snapback]1621533[/snapback]
Who cares whether it is genes or choice. Why is there an overwhelming NEED to find a gay gene? To cure homosexuals? To understand why gay's are gay? Ugh, let it go and learn to accept that there are different personalities all around us whether we like it or not. (And I'm not directing that to anybody here, just everyone in general.)
you should apply that same philosophy to all the anti Christian threads that get posted
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Apr 9 2007, 11:12 PM) [snapback]1621533[/snapback]
Who cares whether it is genes or choice. Why is there an overwhelming NEED to find a gay gene? To cure homosexuals? To understand why gay's are gay? Ugh, let it go and learn to accept that there are different personalities all around us whether we like it or not. (And I'm not directing that to anybody here, just everyone in general.)
Humans are curious about things they don't understand. To cure them... Well that's one reason I suppose. Being gay is unnatural but it's not bad. Only bigots and idiots would point them out of the crowd and hate them or say it's wrong.
QUOTE(airika @ Apr 9 2007, 08:48 PM) [snapback]1621499[/snapback]
If I told you that I was homosexual, and that I have tried and tried and tried to love men, but my brain just refuses to find them sexual attractive, that I'm wrong.
is love based purely on sexual attraction?
i've liked a few women that i wasn't sexually attracted to...
are you asking if you are wrong about trying? can't be wrong for trying...
wrong about refusing to be sexually attraced? lol... i don't think that it's wrong not to be attracted to certain people... otherwise we are all guilty of that...
or are you asking if you're worng for being attracted to women? i would say based on what i believe yes... but based on what i like to watch... no... lol
and also... i dont' think homosexuals go to hell for it... i honestly don't think God makes a huge deal over it... i think the church just likes to have something else to bicker about....
ok sweetie, let me try this question again,
If I were totally sexually attracted to women, and I tried and tried to be sexually attracted to men, but I just couldn't, are you telling me that there's still NO possible way that it's genetics? Are you saying that it's TOTALLY 100% MY FAULT??? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
If I were totally sexually attracted to women, and I tried and tried to be sexually attracted to men, but I just couldn't, are you telling me that there's still NO possible way that it's genetics? Are you saying that it's TOTALLY 100% MY FAULT??? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
QUOTE(thaphantum @ Apr 10 2007, 12:22 AM) [snapback]1621551[/snapback]
you should apply that same philosophy to all the anti Christian threads that get posted
I have always defended Christianity, just not the some of the leaders and followers because they do not represent what christianity really means. But this debate isn't about religion. So i'll leave it at that.
Moving to a more appropriate category.
Well here we go again, dont fear the quere, you either you do or ya dont. If ya dont like green peas, then dont eat them. if ya totally love snow peas them go right ahead, If ya like green beans once in a while then indulge. Just remember to be healthy. If it makes ya feel good then do it, if you try it once and dont like it then at least you say you tryed. Green beans personaly I like once in a while. Aint it funny how history portraied gays to be of biblical stoires that preacehed of the big no no's and only for the Romans misbehaving.
As is was back then anyone inclined would have not dared to say anything. Times have changed and we can now have our say. As for genetics and implants and such, well, can we not think for ourselves?, aint notting wrong with doing what they want and not what society thinks they should be.
We all have our own genetic make up, thats what makes us different. Bi and Sang happy. Vvv""vvV Ataner.
As is was back then anyone inclined would have not dared to say anything. Times have changed and we can now have our say. As for genetics and implants and such, well, can we not think for ourselves?, aint notting wrong with doing what they want and not what society thinks they should be.
We all have our own genetic make up, thats what makes us different. Bi and Sang happy. Vvv""vvV Ataner.
Wow, homosexuality is very popular here! Seeing as how I AM a homosexual I can probably safely say that most of us don't go about spouting about how it's a choice or how it's genetic because, well, we don't know. Seriously, we know about as much as you do. 
We all have our opinions and/or ideas about it but it all depends on how they came into adulthood; some were molested, some came from broken homes, some came from perfectly happy families.
But as Kratos said, who really cares? The people that do care enough to make judgements based on anothers sexual preference or what he does behind closed doors really should just find a more fulfilling hobby.
We all have our opinions and/or ideas about it but it all depends on how they came into adulthood; some were molested, some came from broken homes, some came from perfectly happy families.But as Kratos said, who really cares? The people that do care enough to make judgements based on anothers sexual preference or what he does behind closed doors really should just find a more fulfilling hobby.
Interesting you should bring this topic up, since I've just been reading a fascinating story about a woman who was gay and tried every ex-gay ministry she could find--without success.
If you're interested in reading it, the article is in the new (May 2007) issue of Glamour Magazine (US). It's called "They Tried to Cure Me of Being Gay"--the author of the article is Stephen Fried, but he's talking with a woman named Christine Bakke, who spent years going from church to church seeking a "cure" for her homosexuality--including trying several of the best-known "ex-gay" ministries in the United States.
It's a very honest story about a woman (reared in a very traditional, evangelical Christian home) who struggled for years to make herself into a "straight" woman. It's fascinating to read, and touching. The article is on pages 222-228 of the May issue of Glamour and it's well worth reading, to get a lesbian woman's "take" on the whole "ex-gay ministry" idea.
I don't think she ever says outright whether she believes being gay is nature, or nurture, or some of both--but she realized fairly early on that she just didn't "feel" like other girls her age.
And she did spend years fighting hard to change--and it didn't work.
I commend this story to anyone interested in this subject. Christine Bakke has some very interesting insights and some very thought-provoking things to say.
If you're interested in reading it, the article is in the new (May 2007) issue of Glamour Magazine (US). It's called "They Tried to Cure Me of Being Gay"--the author of the article is Stephen Fried, but he's talking with a woman named Christine Bakke, who spent years going from church to church seeking a "cure" for her homosexuality--including trying several of the best-known "ex-gay" ministries in the United States.
It's a very honest story about a woman (reared in a very traditional, evangelical Christian home) who struggled for years to make herself into a "straight" woman. It's fascinating to read, and touching. The article is on pages 222-228 of the May issue of Glamour and it's well worth reading, to get a lesbian woman's "take" on the whole "ex-gay ministry" idea.
I don't think she ever says outright whether she believes being gay is nature, or nurture, or some of both--but she realized fairly early on that she just didn't "feel" like other girls her age.
And she did spend years fighting hard to change--and it didn't work.
I commend this story to anyone interested in this subject. Christine Bakke has some very interesting insights and some very thought-provoking things to say.
QUOTE(Mad Manfred @ Apr 10 2007, 02:31 AM) [snapback]1621369[/snapback]
What annoys me is the homosexual's that say it's neither a choice nor genetic. Then what the hell is it?
What...what???
My mind can't even pretend to comprehend that sort of logic O_o
Also jumping in on the who cares bandwagon. The sooner people stop making a big deal about the "ZOMG GHEYS" the sooner society can move on.
QUOTE(texasgirlheather @ Apr 9 2007, 10:44 PM) [snapback]1621491[/snapback]
It's sleep paralysis.
QUOTE(uhmanduh @ Apr 9 2007, 11:06 PM) [snapback]1621523[/snapback]
I was recently reading about certain Native American cultural views on sexuality that were held in the past. It's very interesting, they accepted homosexuality for what it was and didn't question or judge. They were accepted, both men and women. If they happened to be born as an intersexed person (I think that's the term, or old timey term hermaphrodite) they were seen as gifted for possessing both male and female attributes. They were regarded highly in their cultures.
How awesome is that? They didn't need science to tell them that they had a right to be gay. And the intersexed individuals were viewed as special in a positive way, they had no reasons to feel abnormal, which is a beautiful thing.
How awesome is that? They didn't need science to tell them that they had a right to be gay. And the intersexed individuals were viewed as special in a positive way, they had no reasons to feel abnormal, which is a beautiful thing.
Wow that is awesome. To bad it's not like that now.
QUOTE(EmpressStarXVII @ Apr 9 2007, 11:12 PM) [snapback]1621533[/snapback]
Who cares whether it is genes or choice. Why is there an overwhelming NEED to find a gay gene? To cure homosexuals? To understand why gay's are gay? Ugh, let it go and learn to accept that there are different personalities all around us whether we like it or not. (And I'm not directing that to anybody here, just everyone in general.)
Yes I agree EmpressStar. QUOTE(RougeRat @ Apr 10 2007, 01:48 AM) [snapback]1621652[/snapback]
Also jumping in on the who cares bandwagon. The sooner people stop making a big deal about the "ZOMG GHEYS" the sooner society can move on.
Ditto! I have a few homosexual friends, one relative. It's the last thing I think about when I see them. If it's something you're obsessing about, maybe you should ask yourself "why". In the whole scheme of things, how much impact does this really have on you? It's a hugely overrated subject in my opinion, other things matter so much more.
Enironment. Experiences. Exorica.
Pick one.
Pick one.
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ Apr 9 2007, 07:01 PM) [snapback]1621417[/snapback]
thaphantum this thread is no use...you could have added this to the other NEW homosexual threads
wow, I leave for a spell, and what happens? multiple threads based on such well...i don't want to say unnecessary topics mind you...well at least BM has things under control.
In my honest opinion, which I know all of you were waiting for...who the hell cares who someone loves? is love not a many splendored thing? can't we all just..get along? (insert additional quote here)
seriously though folks, does there have to be such reason and logic to love?
i dont kno wwhat to think although somestimes i wish i was a gay or a gay guy would make so much eaasier in ways. But i love everyone no matter what
I for me personally i dont think its a choice or caused environmentally They may contribute but dont have a major effect. basically you are born gay and you can try to ignore it or whatever (some people do successfully) but its there its life and we need to except them. Go Jack/Ianto!!! YAY (fictional yes but YAY)
I for me personally i dont think its a choice or caused environmentally They may contribute but dont have a major effect. basically you are born gay and you can try to ignore it or whatever (some people do successfully) but its there its life and we need to except them. Go Jack/Ianto!!! YAY (fictional yes but YAY)
must be a disease
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Apr 10 2007, 12:26 AM) [snapback]1621559[/snapback]
Humans are curious about things they don't understand. To cure them... Well that's one reason I suppose. Being gay is unnatural but it's not bad. Only bigots and idiots would point them out of the crowd and hate them or say it's wrong.
There are plenty of documented cases of homosexual animals... whales, rabbits, chimpanzees.
http://www.salon.com/it/feature/1999/03/cov_15featurea.html
http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/t...age=all&p=y
Makes it sound like homosexuality may just be a natural thing.
QUOTE(Episteme @ Apr 10 2007, 11:23 PM) [snapback]1623107[/snapback]
Ditto! I have a few homosexual friends, one relative. It's the last thing I think about when I see them. If it's something you're obsessing about, maybe you should ask yourself "why". In the whole scheme of things, how much impact does this really have on you? It's a hugely overrated subject in my opinion, other things matter so much more.
Here, here!
QUOTE(jesspy @ Apr 11 2007, 06:49 AM) [snapback]1623452[/snapback]
i dont kno wwhat to think although somestimes i wish i was a gay or a gay guy would make so much eaasier in ways. But i love everyone no matter what
I for me personally i dont think its a choice or caused environmentally They may contribute but dont have a major effect. basically you are born gay and you can try to ignore it or whatever (some people do successfully) but its there its life and we need to except them. Go Jack/Ianto!!! YAY (fictional yes but YAY)
I for me personally i dont think its a choice or caused environmentally They may contribute but dont have a major effect. basically you are born gay and you can try to ignore it or whatever (some people do successfully) but its there its life and we need to except them. Go Jack/Ianto!!! YAY (fictional yes but YAY)
Ianto /is/ hot. Captain Jack is too skeezy, though.
--Jaylemurph
QUOTE(jesspy @ Apr 11 2007, 03:49 AM) [snapback]1623452[/snapback]
i dont kno wwhat to think although somestimes i wish i was a gay or a gay guy would make so much eaasier in ways. But i love everyone no matter what
I for me personally i dont think its a choice or caused environmentally They may contribute but dont have a major effect. basically you are born gay and you can try to ignore it or whatever (some people do successfully) but its there its life and we need to except them. Go Jack/Ianto!!! YAY (fictional yes but YAY)
I for me personally i dont think its a choice or caused environmentally They may contribute but dont have a major effect. basically you are born gay and you can try to ignore it or whatever (some people do successfully) but its there its life and we need to except them. Go Jack/Ianto!!! YAY (fictional yes but YAY)
I'm sorry, I am a little confused as to what you're actually saying here. Are you insinuating that it would be easier to be a gay man, then a straight woman, or a straight man? I feel that being a gay man would be the hardest way to live. I don't feel sorry for someone because they're gay, I feel sorry for the ignorance of others that is spewed forth onto them, by those that don't understand. A gay woman, has it the easiest in the form of being accepted. Most straight men love the idea, and all gay men are completely accepting of the idea.
I'm bi sexual and let me tell you I was born that way.. it is not a choice. Some "ex" gays (how ridiculous) may say it's a choice, but imo they were never homosexual, it was just a phase they were going through, they were confused for a while.. but the gay people I know have always been gay and always will. I will always be bi sexual.. not one damn thing I can do about it.. and why would I want to change it? It's who I am.. anyone that doesn't like it can stfu because their small minded, hateful little opinions mean nothing to me.
it disgusts me that people use religion to discriminate against groups of people.
it disgusts me that people use religion to discriminate against groups of people.
QUOTE(StoneAgeQueen @ Apr 12 2007, 12:37 PM) [snapback]1625690[/snapback]
it disgusts me that people use religion to discriminate against groups of people.
I would like to point out, that it's not just religious people that do this. Everyone in the world, has had discriminatory thoughts, whether religious or not.
QUOTE(StoneAgeQueen @ Apr 12 2007, 03:37 PM) [snapback]1625690[/snapback]
I'm bi sexual and let me tell you I was born that way.. it is not a choice. Some "ex" gays (how ridiculous) may say it's a choice, but imo they were never homosexual, it was just a phase they were going through, they were confused for a while.. but the gay people I know have always been gay and always will. I will always be bi sexual.. not one damn thing I can do about it.. and why would I want to change it? It's who I am.. anyone that doesn't like it can stfu because their small minded, hateful little opinions mean nothing to me.
it disgusts me that people use religion to discriminate against groups of people.
it disgusts me that people use religion to discriminate against groups of people.
I'm gay, too, and I'm pretty sure I was born that way, and I feel largely the way you do.
I'm not sure the 'ex-gays' were never homosexual, but I think they ultimately let other people around them (or at least other people's ideas) overwhelm their instincts, or at least their natural inclinations.
I /almost/ feel sad for them, and I'm pretty sure they're going to wind up with bigger psychological problems than liking penis (or the female equivalent thereof).
I think the bigger problem is how we let individual religious sentiment affect societal development. And that problem is only increasing right now.
--Jaylemurph
*edited to get around genital-epithet control
QUOTE(jaylemurph @ Apr 12 2007, 10:23 PM) [snapback]1625859[/snapback]
I think the bigger problem is how we let individual religious sentiment affect societal development. And that problem is only increasing right now.
--Jaylemurph
*edited to get around genital-epithet control
--Jaylemurph
*edited to get around genital-epithet control
I totally agree with all your post.. especially the last part. It's almost as if we are regressing.
QUOTE(StoneAgeQueen @ Apr 12 2007, 03:37 PM) [snapback]1625690[/snapback]
Some "ex" gays (how ridiculous) may say it's a choice, but imo they were never homosexual, it was just a phase they were going through, they were confused for a while.. but the gay people I know have always been gay and always will.
This is basically what I would have said.
I feel like if you've had sex with the same gender, you're gay.
I just want to know why all my gay guy friends always seem to have some money making scam going on? Is that genetic?
Home inspections, yeah right.
I just want to know why all my gay guy friends always seem to have some money making scam going on? Is that genetic?
Home inspections, yeah right.
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