I don't understand why most people expect aliens to be so amazingly clever. I mean, in my opinion, the aliens are really more similar to us than we expect. You get a few, certainly the minority, that are smarter than the rest and if UFOs are in fact alien spacecraft, they are probably designed by them. However I can pretty much guarantee that if eventually one asked an average ET about UFO technology they wouldn't know a thing !

To conclude, I do not really understand why it has now become generally accepted that every ET has to be 100X cleverer than the cleverest human!

If ET is coming here, then at this moment in time, they would be more clever than us. That is just common sense. But say if they are 600 years ahead of us, that does not mean that in 600 years time, we will not be as clever as them. We will never know until it happens anyway

i think the first alien life we find won't be little gray dudes from mars, but rather something simiple

Alien to other Alien: "You dumbass! Commander Drevlan told us to take a right at Sentry Post #5 and await further instructions!"

Dumbass Alien: "Ah shaddap! Look - there's someone down there working in his field. Hold on - we're going to ask for directions..."

Smart Alien: "Oh no you're not! We're not supposed to interfere or disturb them in any way! I'm not going to let you go down there! Give me the controls!"

Dumbass Alien: "HEY! QUIT IT! YOU'RE MAKING ME LOSE FOCUS! GET OUTTA HERE!

Smart Alien: "YOU'RE TOO LOW! GET BACK UP - GET BACK UP! OMFG WE'RE GONNA CRASH WE'RE GONNA CRASH!

*Massive UFO crash, followed by inevitable human military intervention as well as materials and body retrieval*

Military Base Officer: "Sir - the Op was a success. All materials cleaned up, and we did find two alien bodies. Whatever was flying this thing, it was obviously extremely intelligent".

Commander Drevlan slaps forehead with palm and groans in disgust...

I think its that if they can get here they have superior technology for space travel and this means that they are more intelligent as we cant get very far interstellarly. The only thing that might make ET on the same level as us is if they are hiding behind the moon and started there because then we can also get there so we are on equal space travel terms - distance wise anyway.

Also why space travel is the be all and end all of judging a civilizations technology is that its the last thing on the priority list. Some-one who cant build a house isn't going to have much use for space travel.


Its called bacteria

I think you might be on to something here. Our own situation here on Earth is a good example. Almost everybody uses technology of some type (cell phones are a good example, if you consider the irritating things "good"). They are used by many, but very few understand how the devices opperate. The knowledge of how the device functions (any device) is not needed to use that device. Most just don't care how something works, so long as it does. Such people only desire the service the technology provides. Assuming aliens exist, and I do think the odds are that they do, I can't see any reason why they, as a people would have a different view of the technologies they use. How long do you think it would take the average human to learn how all of our technology works? Even if these aliens are super-intellegent, would each of them want to waste time learning how all of their technology works? To put it bluntly, would a botanist or someone who is a biochemist need to know how to repair a vehicle? They may wish to, if they have an interest, but it's not needed knowledge in their chosen profession. One other thing that I have a "bone to pick with" so to speak. There is a big differance between intelligence and knowledge. Almost anyone can be taught to remember facts, and information. Intelligence isn't a measure of what you know, it's a measure of what you can do, with what you know. In the end, that's what really counts.

Just a thought.

Good Journey.

Kyle Rajasthan.

I agree with you one hundred percent.

If extra-terrestrials were able to land here, good for them. It would prove that their culture at the present is more technologically advanced in that field, etc. etc. but it would in no way mean that the laymen of the culture would be more intelligent than the laymen of our own culture.

Ask anyone how a cell phone functions, they won't know. A la Stephen King's The Stand not everyone knows how to get the power on, or even what electricity is.

On that note, the chances that a race as technologically advanced as ours, with as good a grasp on electronics, flight, etc. is very slim. Most likely we'll find the only ET's that we encounter are of the single celled variety. Not to say there are no other ETS, just to say I doubt their hominid, etc.

All in all it seems farfetched to assume that the Gray Men will be coming here anytime soon.

Not to say it isn't fun to theorize, there just isn't much a factual basis in the entire media popularized matter.

-Madcap

If they operate with a "one mind" consciousness (and I suspect they do - given that they would be highly advanced) I find it highly plausible that essentially most (if not all) individuals would possess an open mental window into each other's psyches and mindsets. In this scenario, nearly every "ET" would possess equal (or near equal) understanding of the technology it uses - right down to construction, gathering and refinement of materials, and of course, operation of technological inventions derived thereof.



Popular media is probably not the best source from which to surmise one's speculative theories and ideas on extraterrestrial intelligence. Instead, I would look to quantum physics and (gulp) the military.

Well after reading most of the posts on this forum, i would say that it's pretty certain that will much smarter than us.

Can't say I disagree with the poster, given what humans know now about technology, imagine if you will that "I" Colbert Nation was sent back in time to the age before technology. Now surely I could explain how a modern computer/automobile/airplane/firearm/Internet works...but could I really help them make it...I think not...I am a user of technology and really no more intellectually advanced than say "Christopher Columbus"...in all actuality, he was MUCH smarter than me...he was much smarter than anyone who posts on the website....

Just because we have the technology doesn't know we all understand how it works or are capable of reproducing it....we are all products of technology, basically there is a very small percentage of the worlds population who has the brain power to comprehend/build/design such things...the rest of us are basically still cave man mooching off their brillance...

I'm sure the same can be said for alien life...

"Hello, Zeta Reticuli tech support!"

"Hi, I'm calling about my flying saucer, serial # orc orc blah - bing bing doon pah"

"Yes, that model is still under warrantee, what seems to be the trouble?"

"It's lying in pieces all over the desert, and the cupholder is broken. I thought this model couldn't crash? Can you fix it?"

"Hmm. Is it turned on?"

"How do I check?"

"Little switch in the back. Oh, and you did apply the service patch #orc blah pah blah - doo, didn't you?"

"No, what's that?"

"According to my service bulliten, applying patch #orc blah pah blah - doo may prevent a certain serious bug in the firmware. Common symptoms of this bug include having the craft break into tiny bits all over the desert."

"Yeah! That sounds like my problem, can you send me the patch?"

"ok, wait... The service bulliten also says the patch should be applied before the symptom occurs"

"Why's that?"

"I don't know. I also should ask you if you downloaded the 'Independance Day Virus' hotfix yet?"

"No, I don't know anything about patches or hotfixes, why do flying saucers need to be so complicated? I really need to get it fixed now, because I think I can telepathically sense the military coming, and I don't want to be a lab specimen!!!"

"We'll dispatch a tech"

"What about my cupholder?"

"Cupholder?"

"Yeah, you know, that long, snakelike thing that wraps around your drinks so your hands are free"

"<laughs> That's the ANAL PROBE!!!"

"Oh, well thanks for your help."

"No problem, bye. <HANGS UP> Idiot customers"

LOL!!!

LOL. Nice.

Good Journey

Kyle Rajasthan.

Well, coming from someone who knows nothing about the ufo subject, but still ridicules it, thats quite funny!

The reason for that is because people think that if extraterrestrial beings possession such technology to travel interstellarly, they should have a decent amount of intelligence.

Well perhaps we would all know a bit more about the subject if someone could come up with some real hard physical evidence instead of regurgitated old stories, heresay, blurry third rate images, half remembered plots from dodgy sci-fi series, shakey out of focus youtube videos oh & preferably nothing pasted from google & posted as fact.
Lets perhap have a genuinely world renown & respected scientist (not Stanton Freidman) stand up & declare ''Yes u.f.o's are of alien origin'', then perhaps.............

who?....the disclosure project has many saying that....your closed mind needs to look around...do a google search on dr. john mack, or dr. roger leir, these drs are saying that...

Now this is your typical hardcore de-bunker post. What your say here( regurgitated old stories, heresay, blurry third rate images, half remembered plots from dodgy sci-fi series, shakey out of focus youtube videos oh & preferably nothing pasted from google & posted as fact) is coming from someone who clearly does not take the time to look into cases at all, and by the sounds of it, does not really want too either.

There is plenty of evidence that ufo's are real, we all know that. And there is still plenty of ufo's that are unexplained. That does not mean that i believe in ET conclusion, just because i dont agree with what some of the skeptics say. But at least i look into cases.

Even skeptics should shoot down the hardcore de-bunkers like this one on here, but they never do, which is a shame.

Quote from john mack biography :-

''Mack noted that there was a worldwide history of visionary experiences -- especially in pre-industrial societies. One example is the vision quest common to some Native American cultures. Only fairly recently in Western culture, notes Mack, have such visionary events been interpreted as aberrations or as mental illness. Mack suggested that abduction accounts might best be considered as part of this larger tradition of visionary encounters.

Mack's interest in the spiritual or transformational aspects of people's alien encounters, and his suggestion that the experience of alien contact itself may be more spiritual than physical in nature -- yet nonetheless real -- set him apart from many of his contemporaries such as Budd Hopkins, who advocated the physical reality of aliens.''

Don't know how you would interpret the above quote about john macks findings, but to me it suggests he found these stories to have a psychosomatic basis, i.e. 'in the head'.

As for roger leir, i can't find anything about him from a legit source other than ufo websites.

That is a misreading of John Mack's work.

He definately believed in the reality of abductions, he believed that these experiences were NOT just 'in the head'. He just believed abductions were as physical in nature as other researchers like David Jacobs do.



It's funny, the hardcore skeptics hated the man when he was alive, but lately I've seen more than one skeptic try to use a misreading of Mack's work to discredit the phenomenon.

itsnotoutthere is not a skeptic, and everyone by now should know that he is just one of the many hardcore de-bunkers on here. You know, the ones who always use the phrases "blurry photos" and "shakey out of focus youtube videos" lol.

What makes me laugh about these people is they are not even willing to look into cases and make there own mind up. They just come on here and say the same old rubbish.

Play nicely now children.



I agree in a weird way, but I think you're coming at it from the wrong angle.

Human technological progression and society go hand in hand with our long, complicated and twisting history. You're assuming that the "average ET" society would even have the equivilent (spelling emma) of a "lay person". You simply have no way of guessing how their society, politics, history and technology may have developed.

Example - think about how much in how history has happened because of our thumbs. Probably the most underrated bit of evolutionary genius, opposable thumbs. Guns, phones, vehicles.... all the way back to the mose basic tools, we have used our thumbs. If they had developed differently, our culture would be unrecognisable.

And I'm pretty sure that some where out there is an advanced race that has done just that, meaning we have to re-evaluate our conceptions of an alien race. Star Trek has a lot to answer for.

"Blurry photos" can easily be faked, and they don't show anything at any rate. "Shakey out of focus youtube videos" are less reliable than blurry photos, show nothing, and can be placed on youtube at will by anyone, and most certainly are, every day. "youtube" is not a source for scientific information or evidence.

The scientist will look at all the cases. What he or she sees is generally the same:

Extraordinary claims.
Uncorroborated claims.
A complete lack of evidence to support those claims.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. But, we have none: not a clear photo, not one smidgeon of an artifact with some sort of alien symbology on it...nothing whatsoever to substantiate any claim of alien life having been here...

Hopefully one day, we will. But most of this UFO/Alien stuff is speculative conjecture...nothing more.


...It is an amazing thing to see how virtually nothing, a blurry photo with no references convinces people that aliens are here, when thousands of clear photographs, taken with perhaps the finest camera in the world, of the surface of the Moon---by men standing there--is dismissed as fakery....
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Anyway, the OP was wondering why it was that everyone thinks the aliens are smart.


The answer, which is clearly logical, is that IF aliens have come here, or are here (again, a completely unproven notion), they would have to be "smart".

How would it be possible for a being, or a race to have attained space travel---not only space travel, but some means of at least semi-efficient interstellar space travel--without necessarily being smart? Such beings would of course have evolved intelligence, and communicative intelligence, and would have advanced in a highly sophisticated manner scientifically and technologically in order to have developed the systems to allow interstellar travel, and of course, to locate a world such as Earth, a tiny, insignificant spec in a non-descript region of the Milky Way galaxy, hidden amidst a few hundred billion suns...

Further, any interstellar civilization would also necessarily have to be highly evolved socially. It requires a generally high level of consciousness to create social emphasis on something like space travel. Governments, and the populus would necessarily have to have their heads screwed on correctly in order to support and fund such a venture. Odds are, such a society would have minimal territorial issues on their world, and very likely would be non-religious, preferring more advanced concepts of spirituality to dogma.

Beings like that are "smart", alot smarter than humanity is at this point in its evolution.
Even on this planet, where space travel is of course still in its rudimentary phases, only really smart people do it. Only really smart people can.

Dr. Michael Swords, Professor of Natural Sciences at Western Michigan University, has done a lot of collecting and summarizing of work in this field .
His argument is basically that you may well get different life forms on different planets, but the ones who are going to develop space travel are going to resemble us...humanoid or humanoid-ish
For example, people have postulated that you could have a watery planet with an intelligent creature much like a dolphin. but the fact is, no matter how intelligent that life gets on an aquatic planet, they can't acquire fire age technology. If they can't melt iron, aluminum, titanium and everything else, the chances of them building a spaceship and coming here is very slim.
There's a sort of a selection process built in, that the technological highly advanced creatures that will eventually develop space travel is likely to have an opposable thumb and fingers or something similar to use technology.

Wow, you do get upset when people don't accord with your perception of the 'facts' don't you. Well before we get to the stage where you say 'my dads bigger than your dad' let me suggest that in many respects our opinions are really quite similar.
I too believe u.f.o's exist. hell i've seen a couple, i've seen strange lights in the sky that i cannot put down to conventional aircraft, or cloud formation or whatever. But the subtle difference between you & I is that to me they are, & still remain u.f.os UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS. my mind doesn't automatically make the fantastical leap to 'I cannot explain them so they must be alien'
Whenever I read a story about alien abduction e.g. betty & barny rubble driving along a country road at night & being abducted by aliens, one has to weigh up the possibilities
a) they lied, but enjoyed the publicity & media attention
the idea was suggested during hipnosis & anyway the newspapers keep offering money for the story.
or
c) An alien spacecraft travelled millions of light years, found a lush green planet teaming with life & decided to stop off for an hour to stick some probes into betty & barny then bugger off home.

hmmm..

I just presumed they were quite bright because they could travel FTL and manipulate gravity and stuff like that

Yes they can, and so can clear photos, and there are a few out there that are clear, but when they are clear, then people say they must be faked, so cant win really.

I dont think you understand the point i was making. Anyone who is into the subject knows that anyone who mentions the old 2 "blurry photos" really dont know what they are chatting about. There are plenty of photos that show solid craft, but are they fake? we dont know, but there a some which are very interesting. Same as movie footage. There is plenty of decent footage of ufo's, some showing solid craft, and making strange movements. So, there is stuff out there, that needs to be looked at further.



Read my posts! I have never said that ufo's are ET craft, but i have said that some could be, there is a huge difference. The difference in you and me is i know alot more about the subject than you, not because im more intelligent or more cleaver than you, but because i am interested, and normally when people are intersted in something, they want to learn more, and thats what i am doing.

About the betty and barny case. What do you know about it?. Do you know what makes this case different from others?

Actually, radar and other electronic data, are considered physical evidence that will hold up in a court of law.



Blurry photos are irrelevant, and in any case, many are clear enough to make a determination the UFOs are not a conventional aircraft. Show us a crystal-clear photo of Pluto to prove that it is not a snowball thrown into the air.

Apparently, the photos in this newspaper are clear enough to see that the UFO is not an airliner. In fact, the shape of the UFO in the article in 1958 matches the shape of a UFO as described by a Japanese B-747 aircrew in 1986 over Alaska, only their UFO was much larger (size of two aircraft carriers).

http://www.ufologie.net/press/correiodamanha21fev58.htm




Scientist at Wright-Patterson AFB, and at White Sands, New Mexico have already stated that some UFOs were "interplanetary spaceships." USAF, EOTS, 1948. USAF Intelligence Report, 1952.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Balloon_UFO_Sightings.html


Flying Saucers Exist

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Smith_11_21_50.html


J. Allen Hynek

"He continued in this position with the subsequent and much longer Project Blue Book, gradually shifting over the years from a position of extreme skepticism to one in which he believed that UFOs represent "an aspect or domain of the natural world not yet explored by science."

http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/H/Hynek.html


Quote By J. Allen Hynek

HYNEK: Well, as you know, the Condon Report said that a group of scientists had looked at UFOs and that the subject was dead. The UFOs, of course, didn't bother to read the report and during the Flap of 1973, they came back in force."


Edgar Mitchell

We all know that UFOs are real. All we need to ask is where do they come from, and what do they want?"
Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut


Flying Saucers Come from a Distant World
By Professor Hermann Oberth
The American Weekly, October 24, 1954

Professor Hermann Oberth started the article with the following statement: "It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system. I think that they possibly are manned by intelligent observers who are members of a race that may have been investigating our earth for centuries. I think that they have been sent out to conduct systematic, long-range investigations, first of men, animals and vegetation, and more recently of atomic centers, armaments and centers of armament production. They obviously have not come as invaders, but I believe their present mission may be one of scientific investigation."


Dr. Maurice Biot

"The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled ... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin."
Dr. Maurice Biot (leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist) LIFE Magazine, April 7, 1952

http://www.project1947.com/shg/csi/life52.html


Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is. I can tell you, behind the scenes, high ranking military officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs"
Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter (Former director of the Central Intelligence Agency)


Al Chop

"I've been convinced for a long time that the flying saucers are real and interplanetary. Another words we are being watched by beings from outer space."
Albert M. Chop, deputy public relations director, National Aeronautics and Space Administration,(NASA) and former United States Air Force spokesman for Project Blue Book.

Same old regurgitated nonsense.. We have every conceivable kind of evidence for these things, short of capturing one or an occupant. Plenty of clear photos- but of course those are automatically suspected of being fakes because they are too good. Photos alone can't prove the phenomenon. But there are cases with multiple, independant witnesses, ground traces, physical effects (people with unexplainable radiation-like injuries, for example). There are cases with multiple witnesses AND radar evidence that corroborates with the witnesses.

Don't confuse evidence with proof. There is plenty of evidence.




Well surely they'd have geniuses among them. Does that mean their entire civilization would need to be smart? Or might they still have members who 'still can't program their VCR' (so to speak)?



Not necessarily, you seem to be projecting your beliefs onto an alien civilization. Space travel appears daunting to us today. Once upon a time crossing the ocean to the 'new world' was daunting. Today it's routine. Technology simply caught up to aspirations. I don't think we are socially much more advanced today than in 1492. I don't think we have our 'heads screwed on correctly' by your standards.

Way to pick ALL your refrences from "UFO HAPPY" websites...try a real source of info like the US Govt..who by the way doesnt agree with you

Ok, off the bat, here's a document from the NSA saying it's foolish to just dismiss the UFO problem:

http://www.nsa.gov/ufo/ufo00005.pdf

The NSA...THE NSA???? The most paranoid people on the planet....how about a credible U.S. Agency

Well, they aren't all government agencies, and to be honest, i didn't read all of them, but there are some supposed Government UFO files in there

http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/UFO_Testimonies.htm
http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/Documents.htm
http://www.cufos.org/UFO_Documents_internet.html
http://www.theblackvault.com/ftopict-61494-.html
http://www.bvalphaserver.com/modules.php?name=Web_Links

Edit: this right here is a good video to watch, if you are a skeptic: http://geeksaresexy.blogspot.com/2006/10/h...tant-image.html

With all due respect here, that's exactly the type evidence we need to prove exactly/definitively/irrefutably that UFOs are ET space ships. Without this kind of evidence one could say that speculation about ET is the "same old regurgitated nonsense" as well.



The plural of anecdotal evidence is not data. There is anecdotal evidence of people seeing things that are unknown and some people even claiming to see alien beings...but the hard evidence (of the definitive/irrefutable type) still eludes us.

What difference does it make if the information is accurate? That is a typical response of a debunker who has no idea what is going on, and all you had to do was to check the original sources!

trust me the USAF doesnt make a descision on ufo's without the NSA's knowledge....colbert; may 2000 I watched the usaf investigate a triangular landing site for 8 hours out by my farm...trust me the usaf knows ufo's are visiting...

But, it is a government agency, and what did you say earlier? Also, you can find UFO documents on the websites of other government agencies as well.

colbert thinks the nsa's paranoid....next he'll label the cia corrupt...i luv this guy....lol

Personally, I believe he has no idea what is going on! He cites government agencies and when someone presents the National Security Agency, he attacks the NSA as uncredible! He is also unaware that he can read UFO reports on the websites of the FBI and of the CIA.

It's like he's blind...I think he could just be misguided by an evil agenda?....time will tell...

Did we need to wheel planets into the lab to prove that they were real??

We're not talking about proving that UFOs are necessarily ET, just that there are things flying around up there that shouldn't be. They seem constructed and intelligently controlled. There's a mountain of evidence to support it. Admittedly not all of it is great evidence, but there is some really good evidence in there. Not just eyewitness reports, not just blurry photos, not just shaky videos. It ought to be enough evidence to get science interested in finding the answer instead of just brushing it off, assuming it's all misidentifications and never bother to dig into the data.

The approach that unless you can capture one and prove it is ET, then it's not worth investigating the phenomenon is rather anti-scientific.

Cute, but this doesn't really apply. After all, we can look up and see planets...we can observe them quite readily with a simple telescope. We can't readily study that which shows up 'who knows where'/'who knows when', see what I mean?



I certainly won't disagree with this but I've seen one of the darn things, which probably makes my perspective a bit different from those who haven't seen any such thing.



Not everyone brushes off all of the evidence, some certainly do but not everyone. However, some of the evidence is not of highly useful quality.



Like I said before, it's really difficult to study something which is so unpredictable by its very nature.

Sometimes, UFOs show up when you least expect them.

Yes, it is hard to study something that is unpredictable. It would require clever experiment design. No arguments there.

My argument is with the debunkers who simply ridicule, misrepresent and discard the evidence and then claim that there isn't any.

Hey Lilly,

There are established methods of studying astronomical objects that have no fixed coordinates. It may in fact be more difficult than studying astronomical objects with fixed coordinates, but it's certainly something we are quite able to do.

The University of Western Ontario's All Sky Camera Network is one mainstream example.

http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/all_sky.htm

The Project Hessdalen AMS is another working example that specifically is aimed towards studying UAP.

http://www.hessdalen.org/station/

Here is a related paper by Teodorani that describes treating UAP as astronomical objects that have no fixed coordinates.

http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1999pud..rept.....T

Apparently, your definition of evidence is a wee bit different from that maintained by the scientific community.

I do not ever confuse evidence with proof.

Proof is what UFO/ Alien buffs are spewing all the time. Their anecdotal and incomplete evidence hardly substantiates such claims.

Where is the piece of artifact...the clear, substantiated photos of these craft, where there can be no doubt about what they represent...? They simply don't exist and never have.


If aliens were here, everyone on the planet would know about them.


There are plenty of witnesses, for everything from UFOs to abductions. None of them have ever been able to lead to substantive verification.


It's a very strange thing, this CT/HB/UFO thing.

We went to the Moon in July 1969. Over half a billion people watched this adventure unfold on their TVs. We watched it occur live on July 20, 1969 as two men set foot upon the Moon. Those two guys took 339 photographs while on the surface, about 90% of them clear shots of the Moon...taken with arguably the best camera made at the time. Scientists the world over have examined the material they brought back and verified it as being from the Moon...

Yet, people believe the whole thing was faked!




And here, we see nothing approaching anything close to the subtantiation of Apollo's obvious success and efficacy. Indeed, we see nothing approaching a modicum of scientific requirement as pertains to evidence...and we're being fed the idea that aliens are here...or were...


It is utterly amazing.

Like the US Government would fully disclose all their knowledge on the subject

The U.S. Govt is elected by the people to represent the people of the United States...if the citizens of the United States of America did not like the secrecy of the U.S. Govt then they would elect members who agree to share these so called "secrets". Unfortunately for "believers"; they refuse to accept the truth that the U.S. Govt has no secret files on UFO's or Alien Life...so they turn to websites like www.ibelieveinufos.com and www.asuckerisborneveryminute.com and my favorite www.thesemoronsstillbelieveinsantaclauseletsseewhatelsewecanmakethembelievein.com

You mean like when the people elected Jimmy Carter who promised to release UFO information, or G. W. Bush 43 who promised to release UFO information?

cheney and bush said they would release the truth if elected...just another lie...."he has drones that can spray you" is my favorite...