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ShaunZero
Biblical Prophecy: Ezekiel 26
One example of Biblical Prophecy is found in the Book of Ezekiel. Chapter 26 of the Book of Ezekiel claims to have been written in 586 BC, the 11th year of the reign of King Zedekiah of Judah. On nine separate occasions throughout the chapter, the writer claims to have been inspired by God with statements such as "thus says the Lord GOD." The text describes the fall of mainland Tyre to the armies of Nebuchadnezzar the following year. It further describes the events of Alexander the Great's siege against the island fortress of Tyre (a half mile off the coast of mainland Tyre) 253 years later. The chapter describes how the invaders would tear down the ruins of mainland Tyre and throw it into the sea. That they would "scrape her dust from her and leave her as the top of a rock" (v4). That "they will lay your stones, your timber, and your soil in the midst of the water" (v12). "I will make you like the top of a rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets" (v14). Secular history records that Alexander the Great laid siege to the island fortress of Tyre in 332 BC. His army demolished mainland Tyre and threw it into the sea. In their effort to construct a causeway to the island, they scraped even the dust, leaving only bare rock. Historian Phillip Myers in his history textbook, General History for Colleges and High Schools (Boston, Ginn & Co.), writes, "Alexander the Great reduced Tyre to ruins in 332 BC. Tyre recovered in a measure from this blow, but never regained the place she had previously held in the world. The larger part of the site of the once great city is now as bare as the top of a rock -- a place where the fishermen that still frequent the spot spread their nets to dry" (pg.55). The fate of mainland Tyre was accomplished as foretold in the book of Ezekiel.


Biblical Prophecy: The Book of Daniel
Another example of Biblical Prophecy is found in the Book of Daniel. Because of the stunning foresight found within the Book of Daniel, it is claimed by its critics to have been written after the events it describes. For example, chapter 11 describes in such detail the interactions between the Ptolemies and the Selucids from the death of Alexander the Great to the rise of the Roman Empire, that critics insist it must have been written after 160 BC. However, Flavius Josephus, court historian for three successive Roman Emperors, records (Antiquities of the Jews XI, viii, 3-5) Alexander the Great receiving a copy of Daniel upon his annexation of Jerusalem in the autumn of 332 BC (immediately following his conquest of Tyre). Furthermore, the Septuagint (LXX) was translated from Hebrew into Greek in the 3rd century BC. Daniel is included in the Septuagint version. Daniel is also included in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is dated from about 200 BC.

Biblical Prophecy: Daniel 9:25
A most compelling Biblical Prophecy is found in Daniel, chapter 9, verse 25. Written 500 years before the birth of Jesus Christ (the oldest preserved copy dating 200 years before the birth of Christ), it foretells the very day Christ would enter Jerusalem. The prophecy states: 69 weeks of years (69 x 7 = 483 years) would pass from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the coming of the Messiah. This is according to the Babylonian 360-day calendar, since Daniel was written in Babylon during the Jewish captivity after the fall of Jerusalem. Thus, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. According to records found by Sir Henry Creswicke Rawlinson in the Shushan (Susa) Palace, and confirmed in Nehemiah 2:1, this decree was made on March 14th, 445 BC, by Artaxerxes Longimanus. Exactly 173,880 days later, on April 6th, 32 AD, Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem upon a colt (fulfilling the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9). The world celebrates this day as Palm Sunday. Four days later, Christ was murdered upon the cross. Actually, the form of His execution and even His last words were foretold in Psalm 22. Three days later, Jesus rose from the dead on Easter Sunday, fulfilling numerous other prophecies of our Messiah.
Son of _Adam
QUOTE(Zero of Deism @ Apr 11 2007, 01:16 AM) [snapback]1622966[/snapback]
Biblical Prophecy: Ezekiel 26
One example of Biblical Prophecy is found in the Book of Ezekiel. Chapter 26 of the Book of Ezekiel claims to have been written in 586 BC, the 11th year of the reign of King Zedekiah of Judah. On nine separate occasions throughout the chapter, the writer claims to have been inspired by God with statements such as "thus says the Lord GOD." The text describes the fall of mainland Tyre to the armies of Nebuchadnezzar the following year. It further describes the events of Alexander the Great's siege against the island fortress of Tyre (a half mile off the coast of mainland Tyre) 253 years later. The chapter describes how the invaders would tear down the ruins of mainland Tyre and throw it into the sea. That they would "scrape her dust from her and leave her as the top of a rock" (v4). That "they will lay your stones, your timber, and your soil in the midst of the water" (v12). "I will make you like the top of a rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets" (v14). Secular history records that Alexander the Great laid siege to the island fortress of Tyre in 332 BC. His army demolished mainland Tyre and threw it into the sea. In their effort to construct a causeway to the island, they scraped even the dust, leaving only bare rock. Historian Phillip Myers in his history textbook, General History for Colleges and High Schools (Boston, Ginn & Co.), writes, "Alexander the Great reduced Tyre to ruins in 332 BC. Tyre recovered in a measure from this blow, but never regained the place she had previously held in the world. The larger part of the site of the once great city is now as bare as the top of a rock -- a place where the fishermen that still frequent the spot spread their nets to dry" (pg.55). The fate of mainland Tyre was accomplished as foretold in the book of Ezekiel.
Biblical Prophecy: The Book of Daniel
Another example of Biblical Prophecy is found in the Book of Daniel. Because of the stunning foresight found within the Book of Daniel, it is claimed by its critics to have been written after the events it describes. For example, chapter 11 describes in such detail the interactions between the Ptolemies and the Selucids from the death of Alexander the Great to the rise of the Roman Empire, that critics insist it must have been written after 160 BC. However, Flavius Josephus, court historian for three successive Roman Emperors, records (Antiquities of the Jews XI, viii, 3-5) Alexander the Great receiving a copy of Daniel upon his annexation of Jerusalem in the autumn of 332 BC (immediately following his conquest of Tyre). Furthermore, the Septuagint (LXX) was translated from Hebrew into Greek in the 3rd century BC. Daniel is included in the Septuagint version. Daniel is also included in the Dead Sea Scrolls, which is dated from about 200 BC.

Biblical Prophecy: Daniel 9:25
A most compelling Biblical Prophecy is found in Daniel, chapter 9, verse 25. Written 500 years before the birth of Jesus Christ (the oldest preserved copy dating 200 years before the birth of Christ), it foretells the very day Christ would enter Jerusalem. The prophecy states: 69 weeks of years (69 x 7 = 483 years) would pass from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem, until the coming of the Messiah. This is according to the Babylonian 360-day calendar, since Daniel was written in Babylon during the Jewish captivity after the fall of Jerusalem. Thus, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. According to records found by Sir Henry Creswicke Rawlinson in the Shushan (Susa) Palace, and confirmed in Nehemiah 2:1, this decree was made on March 14th, 445 BC, by Artaxerxes Longimanus. Exactly 173,880 days later, on April 6th, 32 AD, Jesus Christ rode into Jerusalem upon a colt (fulfilling the prophecy in Zechariah 9:9). The world celebrates this day as Palm Sunday. Four days later, Christ was murdered upon the cross. Actually, the form of His execution and even His last words were foretold in Psalm 22. Three days later, Jesus rose from the dead on Easter Sunday, fulfilling numerous other prophecies of our Messiah.


Wasn't his moment of doubt a saying from PSALMS thus fulfilling prophecy as well? I cant remember that exact Psalm but I hear its in there.
ShaunZero
My head hurts right now, and what I was trying to figure out is this guy claiming that the prophecies came true because of things said LATER in the bible, or real world events? If it's the first, then it's definitley not a prophecy.
hippi
QUOTE(Nephilim_Slayer @ Apr 10 2007, 10:22 PM) [snapback]1622975[/snapback]
Wasn't his moment of doubt a saying from PSALMS thus fulfilling prophecy as well? I cant remember that exact Psalm but I hear its in there.


"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" It's the first verse from psalm 22. If you read the entire psalm, it seems to describe the Pasion of Jesus Christ, with lines such as: "They divide my garments among them; for my clothing they cast lots." -verse 19
Son of _Adam
QUOTE(hippi @ Apr 11 2007, 01:40 AM) [snapback]1622993[/snapback]
"My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" It's the first verse from psalm 22. If you read the entire psalm, it seems to describe the Pasion of Jesus Christ, with lines such as: "They divide my garments among them; for my clothing they cast lots." -verse 19


So did Jesus actually have a moment of doubt? Or was he fulfilling prophecy? You decide, I have my thoughts.
Shankpin
I was told once that Jesus said that (why have you forsaken me?) b/c at that moment is when the entire world's sins were lying with/on him, and God felt he needed to turn away from him due to all the sin .. Jesus felt God turned away at this point and cried out. This was right before Jesus actual death, so. Just something someone mentioned to me once.
Son of _Adam
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Apr 11 2007, 02:03 AM) [snapback]1623012[/snapback]
I was told once that Jesus said that (why have you forsaken me?) b/c at that moment is when the entire world's sins were lying with/on him, and God felt he needed to turn away from him due to all the sin .. Jesus felt God turned away at this point and cried out. This was right before Jesus actual death, so. Just something someone mentioned to me once.


Very interesting Sunny, never heard that one before but It makes sense.
Bee Eff
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Apr 10 2007, 08:03 PM) [snapback]1623012[/snapback]
I was told once that Jesus said that (why have you forsaken me?) b/c at that moment is when the entire world's sins were lying with/on him, and God felt he needed to turn away from him due to all the sin .. Jesus felt God turned away at this point and cried out. This was right before Jesus actual death, so. Just something someone mentioned to me once.

I am LDS, we believe Christ took the sins upon him at Gethsemane. This caused the bleeding that occurred, as well as his request that the cup be removed from him. The Crucifixion was when he experienced death. An experience that he could have stopped due to his divinity, but did not as dying and resurrection would release the bonds of physical death making a physical resurrection possible for all.
randomhit10
QUOTE(Sunny98 @ Apr 11 2007, 02:03 AM) [snapback]1623012[/snapback]
I was told once that Jesus said that (why have you forsaken me?) b/c at that moment is when the entire world's sins were lying with/on him, and God felt he needed to turn away from him due to all the sin .. Jesus felt God turned away at this point and cried out. This was right before Jesus actual death, so. Just something someone mentioned to me once.


yes, this is what i have been told also...i did some research on it and it makes the most sense of all i can find...if Jesus had not taken all of our sin as a mortal man then God's plan of salvation would not work...Jesus had to take it as man and feel all we feel or the wages of sin would not have been paid in full...Jesus paid for our sins in our place so we would not have to...as we feel that God forsakes us sometimes, Jesus had to feel it also...Jesus surely knew what was coming when He asked that if the cup could be removed and felt the pressure (sweating blood) but was obedient to God's plan...He gave his life for us and rose three days later, that we may have everlasting life.

randomhit10
ShaunZero
I've found a problem with the first one. Christians claim that when the first prophecy makes the change from "He" to "They", and that "many nations will attack", it is talking about Alexander defeating Tyre after attempts by other armies. They make this claim, because if it were suppose to be Neb who conquers Tyre, the prophecy would have failed. However, what they don't realize is that Neb was made up of just that, many nations. So "He" and "They" could both be used to refer to Neb. Not only that, but Tyre was also mentioned later in the bible, in I believe Mark.

If anyone else has anything to add about the other prophecies, or this one, please do so. I'm having a debate with a Christian on another forum about bible prophecy so I'm reserching these a bit.
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