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Jjbreen
Water Found on Exo-solar Planet
Water detected in alien planet's atmosphere
Crucial element for life can exist around planets orbiting other stars


Astronomers have detected water in the atmosphere of a planet outside our solar system for the first time.

-- Click Above Link to read the whole article.
Argueta
We are very small. Our universe is filled with possibilities. It comes as no surprise to hear this. Good info, thanks for posting.

justinglitter
Let's hope that at some point we find little aliens swimming in these waters. Why? 'Cause personally I can't wait! tongue.gif
uth
The planet is a gas giant, I doubt there'd be any life there. We don't have the ability to detect earth-sized extrasolar planets (yet) that might contain life.

I don't really think this find is that big a deal. Water is a simple compound. We know it exists on Mars and a few moons in our own Solar system, it should be expected that it exists in other solar systems.
Cherus
I think you doubt wrongly... Just because it a gas giant doesn't mean anything. We humans only recognize life the way we want to. Maybe there are different types of life forms out there that we have no idea. So please don't do assuming that there is no life there because it doesn't make any sense.
uth
QUOTE(Cherus @ Apr 11 2007, 01:43 PM) [snapback]1623593[/snapback]
I think you doubt wrongly... Just because it a gas giant doesn't mean anything. We humans only recognize life the way we want to. Maybe there are different types of life forms out there that we have no idea. So please don't do assuming that there is no life there because it doesn't make any sense.


True, but what are the chances we could detect such unexpected types of lifeforms from such a vast distance? I would say, not very good.
Waspie_Dwarf
QUOTE(justinglitter @ Apr 11 2007, 11:07 AM) [snapback]1623432[/snapback]
Let's hope that at some point we find little aliens swimming in these waters. Why? 'Cause personally I can't wait! tongue.gif


You won't find anything swimming in these waters. What has been detecter is water vapour in the atmosphere of a gas giant NOT liquid water. Open bodies of liquid are not possible in gas giants as they have no solid surface in the way we would recognise. They are basically big balls of gas.
badeskov
QUOTE(Cherus @ Apr 11 2007, 06:43 AM) [snapback]1623593[/snapback]
We humans only recognize life the way we want to. Maybe there are different types of life forms out there that we have no idea. So please don't do assuming that there is no life there because it doesn't make any sense.


I would probably rephrase that. I don't think that we would overlook life simply because we only want to recognize life as we know it. In my honest opinion, I think we'd want to find life of any form and shape, but we only know carbon based life. Somewhere out there, maybe life is not carbon based and how do we recognize that?

Secondly, I have to agree with Uth on this one, over so vast distances life is extremely hard to detect unless said life forms point a huge radio telescope in our direction and continuously transmit "hey, look at me..." original.gif

Best,
Badeskov
Colbert Nation
QUOTE(justinglitter @ Apr 11 2007, 05:07 AM) [snapback]1623432[/snapback]
Let's hope that at some point we find little aliens swimming in these waters. Why? 'Cause personally I can't wait! tongue.gif



And they could very well be delicious...and low fat
Myles
I'm not one to blindly believe they detected water 150 light years away. They should say there is a chance.
Unlimited
I believe there is life in the altair aquilla star system....why dont we send the hubble there?...or to vega or the pleaides?...
Waspie_Dwarf
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 12 2007, 01:07 PM) [snapback]1625113[/snapback]
I believe there is life in the altair aquilla star system....why dont we send the hubble there?...or to vega or the pleaides?...


Did you actually mean send it there or did you mean point it there?

If you actually meant what you said then what would be the point? If we actually had the capability for interstellar travel (which we don't) we would be able to go and look ourselves.

If you meant point Hubble there it would tell us nothing. Hubble does not have the abillity to detect small, Earthlike planets and so would not be able to tell us if there was life any way.

On a final point, the day NASA starts conducting expensive research based on the beliefs of someone on an internet forum (especially someone that has a record of making predictions which fail to happen) rather than based on scientific evidence is the day NASA should be disbanded.
Unlimited
QUOTE(Waspie_Dwarf @ Apr 12 2007, 12:17 PM) [snapback]1625126[/snapback]
Did you actually mean send it there or did you mean point it there?

If you actually meant what you said then what would be the point. If we actually had the capability for interstellar travel we would be able to go and look ourselves.

If you meant point Hubble there it would tell us nothing. Hubble does not have the abillity to detect small, Earthlike planets and so would not be able to tell us if there was life any way.

On a final point, the day NASA starts conducting expensive research based on the beliefs of someone on an internet forum (especially someone that has a record of making predictions which fail to happen) rather than based on scientific evidence is the day NASA should be disbanded.


oh I didnt realize the capabilities of the hubble. I thought it traveled all around?...my predictions are only cloaked for now...frightning sheep isnt our business....If your really looking for life? the altair systems the best chance...but a wasteful agency like NASA really isn't in the business to succeed...are they?...thats the importance of a mars mission. to waste money studying a dead rock....
Waspie_Dwarf
QUOTE(Myles @ Apr 12 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]1625105[/snapback]
I'm not one to blindly believe they detected water 150 light years away.


This is not about blind faith, it is about cold hard scientific fact.

The light from this planets star passes through the planets atmosphere when the planet crosses the stars disc from our point of view. This enables astronomers to take an absorbtion spectra of the planets atmosphere - molecules in the planets atmosphere will absorb specific wavelengths of light. Astronomers can then compare the spectra of the star without the planet in front of it to the spectra of the star with the planet in front of it. The difference is the wavelengths that have been absorbed. These spectra of molecules are as distinctive as fingerprints (and such spectra are used by Earth based analytical labs to identify chemicals). If the spectra of water was detected then water was present.

QUOTE(Myles @ Apr 12 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]1625105[/snapback]
They should say there is a chance.


Why should the scientists, who understand the implications of their work, have to qualify what they say for people that don't?
Lilly
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 12 2007, 12:24 PM) [snapback]1625136[/snapback]
oh I didnt realize the capabilities of the hubble. I thought it traveled all around?...my predictions are only cloaked for now...frightning sheep isnt our business....If your really looking for life? the altair systems the best chance...but a wasteful agency like NASA really isn't in the business to succeed...are they?...thats the importance of a mars mission. to waste money studying a dead rock....


Altair? Not likely, the star is only a few hundred million years old and probably not all that hospitable to advanced life. See link to information on Altair.
Unlimited
QUOTE(Lilly @ Apr 12 2007, 12:58 PM) [snapback]1625167[/snapback]
Altair? Not likely, the star is only a few hundred million years old and probably not all that hospitable to advanced life. See link to information on Altair.


The people I met from there would tend to disagree with you; they told me their is a small chain of planets there...but i dont wanna start trouble so i'll just say thanks for the link...
lost_shaman
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 12 2007, 08:02 AM) [snapback]1625172[/snapback]
The people I met from there would tend to disagree with you; they told me their is a small chain of planets there...but i dont wanna start trouble so i'll just say thanks for the link...


Good grief.

Limited why do you even attempt to maintain this "contactee" facade?

Jjbreen
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 12 2007, 06:02 AM) [snapback]1625172[/snapback]
The people I met from there would tend to disagree with you; they told me their is a small chain of planets there...but i dont wanna start trouble so i'll just say thanks for the link...

Wow -
Limited -
I would suggest that these "being" have lied to you, seriously big time.
For the probablity of "Life Planets" either at the Altair or Pleiades Star Cluster is extremely doubtful - for a few very obvious reasons:

A - These stars are a "few" billion years YOUNGER than our star - which tell you a lot right there.
(The blue stellar cloud material in the Pleiades is a serious clue.)
- The Pleiades star cluster are YOUNG HOT BLUE STARS.
- Altair is a YOUNG star as well.
B - The radiation out put is extremely high.
C - The heat output is extremely high.
D - The Ultra Violet output is extremely high.

** Also a exo-solar exploration has been done here (Altair) and they found no evidence of planetary bodies. Especially since the habital zone would be 3.4 AU's or greater from that Star.

So I would have to strongly suggest that they were telling you a 'yarn' - Because the evidence simply isn't there to support their claim.
Unlimited
It's amazing how much you know about the universe ?..for a planet that hasn't made it past the moon you sure know-it all.....
Colbert Nation
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 13 2007, 06:52 AM) [snapback]1626660[/snapback]
It's amazing how much you know about the universe ?..for a planet that hasn't made it past the moon you sure know-it all.....


If you are serious about actually being abducted by an alien race please read the below message.

I'm not trying to be insulting with what I'm about to say, but have you ever seen a psychiatrist about this? I know I normally come across as a sarcastic jerk but I am now talking with complete and total concern and honesty; You need to talk with a professional therapist of some kind if you truly think you were abducted by aliens from another planet. Normally this type of behavior stems from either a serious mental disease which can be treated and learned to live with or is the direct result of your brain rationalizing/blocking some traumatic moment in your life which it finds hard to comprehend with conventional or logical thought.

Whether it be a mental disease or psychological blockage of traumatic events, I hope you get well soon...God Bless
Unlimited
QUOTE(Colbert Nation @ Apr 13 2007, 12:02 PM) [snapback]1626669[/snapback]
If you are serious about actually being abducted by an alien race please read the below message.

I'm not trying to be insulting with what I'm about to say, but have you ever seen a psychiatrist about this? I know I normally come across as a sarcastic jerk but I am now talking with complete and total concern and honesty; You need to talk with a professional therapist of some kind if you truly think you were abducted by aliens from another planet. Normally this type of behavior stems from either a serious mental disease which can be treated and learned to live with or is the direct result of your brain rationalizing/blocking some traumatic moment in your life which it finds hard to comprehend with conventional or logical thought.

Whether it be a mental disease or psychological blockage of traumatic events, I hope you get well soon...God Bless


save the dime store analysis....the cover-up the government is running promotes mental health services they use the baker act to override miranda when they dont like what your saying....when the truth comes out; your gonna need to be hospitalized.. because you'll know what a schill you are...
Colbert Nation
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 13 2007, 07:13 AM) [snapback]1626687[/snapback]
save the dime store analysis....the cover-up the government is running promotes mental health services they use the baker act to override miranda when they dont like what your saying....when the truth comes out; your gonna need to be hospitalized.. because you'll know what a schill you are...


Talking about your feelings can help you deal with your problems.

Choose a good listener.
Choose a good time to share your feelings.
Understand your feelings of confusion.
Don't act cheerful when you don't feel that way.
You may need to find someone outside your family to talk to.

A Mental Health problem is too much to handle all by yourself.


Friends and Family Have Feelings About Your Mental Health


Just as you have strong feelings about health, your family or friends will react to it as well. For instance, your friends or family may:

hide or deny their sad feelings
find someone to blame for your problems
change the subject when someone talks about mental health disease
act mad for no real reason
make jokes about mental health
pretend to be cheerful all the time
avoid talking about your mental health
stay away from you, or keep their visits short

Keep in mind:

Choose a good listener. You may not need someone to give you advice or tell you what to do. Instead, you may want someone who wants to hear about and try to understand what life is like for you right now. You may need to look outside your family to find such a person.

Choose a good time to share. Sometimes people will send signals to let you know they are willing to talk about mental health problems with you. Sometimes you can ask others about their thoughts and feelings.

Understand anger. Sometimes angry words come from emotions other than anger, like frustration, worry, or sadness. Try to figure out why you feel angry and why you need to express it. Don't run away from these feelings--share them and try to understand them.

Don't pretend to be cheerful. You may want to spare those around you from your strong feelings, but acting cheerful will not help you express your true feelings. Acting cheerful will not give others a true picture of your thoughts and feelings.

Turn to community resources for help. A support group or a counselor might be able to provide more support.

God Bless and good luck, I wish you the best.
Unlimited
I should report you? but your the best comedy i have until 10:30 when the report comes on....if you accuse me of having a mental health problem again..for discussing the topic..i'll have to report you...your disrupting the flow of the topic...
Pax Unum
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 12 2007, 08:02 AM) [snapback]1625172[/snapback]
The people I met from there would tend to disagree with you; they told me their is a small chain of planets there...but i dont wanna start trouble so i'll just say thanks for the link...

maybe 'The people' you met were intentionally misleading you, so you couldn't divulge the actual locations/events... after all, none of the stars you mention are suitable, and none of the things you claim ’the people’ have told you have happened.... just a thought

BTW, Its to bad you can’t prove the Nordics earned you the title of most dangerous man in the United States, or you called in an alien air strike on Afghanistan... proof would definitely build your credibility...

LINK-> most dangerous man
LINK-> afghanistan got attacked
Jjbreen
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 13 2007, 04:52 AM) [snapback]1626660[/snapback]
It's amazing how much you know about the universe ?..for a planet that hasn't made it past the moon you sure know-it all.....

Limited -
It's called the study of Astronomy and you should honestly study it some time. yes.gif

Yes I can say quite clearly that you know little to nothing, from your own posts and words.

This is one of the areas that makes your story just a tad too funny at times. Because if you honestly had a working knowledge or understanding of the Star Altair or the Pleiades - you would know "not to go there". For what we know about these stars is actually quite a bit! Enough to know that life around either of these areas would be no small challenge.


STIX
The aliens are out there...
Unlimited
QUOTE(STIX @ Apr 14 2007, 06:06 AM) [snapback]1628264[/snapback]
The aliens are out there...


jj I know about the limits of astronomy and earth science....we were on horseback 100 years ago....you dont have a clue what's going on in the universe; on earth..trust me..
Raptor
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 14 2007, 02:04 PM) [snapback]1628528[/snapback]
you dont have a clue what's going on in the universe; on earth..trust me..


...and you do?

laugh.gif

Please, start a thread.
Unlimited
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ Apr 14 2007, 01:11 PM) [snapback]1628533[/snapback]
...and you do?

laugh.gif

Please, start a thread.


Im not posting in this section anymore my troll like friend...I was just giving a response to an open subject...peace..later
Raptor
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 14 2007, 02:14 PM) [snapback]1628537[/snapback]
Im not posting in this section anymore my troll like friend...I was just giving a response to an open subject...peace..later


I'm not trolling, I'm asking you to start a thread. I want to hear what you have to say, properly, instead of getting odd one liners in random threads throughout the forum.
Ghost Ship
I think water in any form discovered elswere in the universe is an important discovery and will lead to even more important discoveries. To not be enamored of this is to be in a hurry for everything to be discovered all at once and to only semi believe this is not to be unexpected. How many regular people would know the science behind the discovery such as myself. I don't think a formal statement would be issued unless it was credible. NASA after all is NASA. To not believe them is only conspiracy thinking BS.
Jjbreen
QUOTE(limited @ Apr 14 2007, 06:14 AM) [snapback]1628537[/snapback]
Im not posting in this section anymore my troll like friend...I was just giving a response to an open subject...peace..later

Once again - randome statements which are so common of Limited - But I guess here he did us a favor! He couldn't "put up" - so he had the wisdom to "shut up"... For once he used wisdom.

Limited - you post to me about
QUOTE
jj I know about the limits of astronomy and earth science....we were on horseback 100 years ago....you dont have a clue what's going on in the universe; on earth..trust me..


Once again you put your foot in your mouth - make a silly statement, the biggest one: "Trust Me.." - Limited there is no one that trusts your statements as 'factual' only 'silly' and 'off the wall'.

You know so little about what you talk about - so very little.
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