The world, and I mean the whole thing, universe and all, is made up of countless atoms. Atoms, as we all know are made up or neutrons, protons, and electrons. When electrons spin around the nucleus of an atom, it creates energy (light, heat, etc.)

If you have read some of my previous posts on theories of how paranormal entities are consisted, you'll find that I talk a lot about the electromagnetic spectrum. The electromagnetic spectrum consists of every form of radiation (the energy created by atoms), and hence, everything in the universe consists of electromagnetic waves for it to exist. The spectrum works in the way that the lowest frequencies, which have extremely long waves are perceived, if it possible for us to use technology to seem them, as dark. The highest, being the lightest and also carrying the most dense waves.

All the we can see on the EMS is just a small portion called the visible spectrum, made up of colours, ROYGBIV. The waves that we know of that are higher than us, and would appear to us as white, if visible, are ultraviolent rays, x-rays, and gamma rays. Now it is apparent that the denser waves are able to manipulate and change the longer waves of the spectrum, where comes the laws of matter, energy can be changed, but not created or destroyed.

There are more waves in the universe that are yet to be explored and so, here comes in my theory. The highest possible wave on the spectrum would be the brightest light, and also the most dense wave in the universe. This wave would be so powerful that it is able to manipulate every wave. This organism, made up of these waves would have it's electrons practically still and possibly able to even create or destroy matter.

Matter can't be created or destroyed either.

Then explain the particles that make up the neutron. They are constantly popping in and out of existence. Where do they go?

But matter is composed of atoms, with electrons, neutrons and the like. So matter can not be destroyed either. Only reformed. So where any aspect of a composite of matter, like a person for example, would go is to be reformed into something else, according to those laws of physics. Right?

Don't we have a member(s) on board that is versed in such stuff? I seem to recall we do, but their SN isn't coming to mind. Maybe they will read this thread and interject a bit of clarity to the matter. (Oh hell, I just punned )

Where did you get the idea that neutrons are popping in and out of existence?

According to the scientific law of conservation of mass, matter can not be created or destroyed.

I didn't, it's just fact. The particles pop in and out of existence. Some are in more places at the same time.

It's down to mass-energy equivalence. Neither matter nor energy are able to be created or destroyed, but they can exchange from one in to the other via annihilation and pair production.

Or are you referring to virtual particles?

Ok, I'm just gonna mention for a sec, that the power to create or destroy matter this entity would have would be against the laws of physics, but I'd still like to state, being at the top of the EMS, it would be able to change ANY matter of existance. Another thing is that for this entity to exist, it would have to be massive, perhaps it is this entity that is the central gravitational force of the universe, the origin of the big bang.

Can you give me a source for this belief? That's the first I've ever heard of neutrons popping in and out of existence and being in more than one place at the same time. I studied physics. None of my professors ever mentioned that neutrons pop in and out of existence. It wasn't in any of my textbooks. I would like to know where you heard that. It sounds like you got some inaccurate information.

How is that possible?



He said "particles which make up the neutron", i.e. quarks.

If the particles making up a neutron were popping in and out existence then in essense the neutron is popping in and out of existence. It doesn't happen. Things don't just pop in and out of existence. Things can't be in more than one place at the same time. Somebody has gotten some inaccurate information. Since you won't tell me where you got the information from, I have no way of looking into it. The law of conservation of mass is a firmly established scientific law. Matter can't be created or destroyed.



If your theory violates one of the laws of physics then how can it be true? Are you saying the laws of physics are wrong?

How is that not possible? Are you saying that as the human race, we have explored everything, there is no new knowledge to be found in the universe? That's what the Catholic church thought, guess what Isaac Newton found out. If we have reached the maximum extent of our knowledge, why is do we still live, or better yet, why do we still die, there is always something left to be found, do not limit yourself like that.

To stare into the face of your God, look up the "planck length." This is the shortest length possible in science that still makes sense to talk about.

Your EM wave would have this as it's wavelength. Puts it waaay up there into an extremely high-intensity spectrum that would burn you to a crisp, then burn the crisps, if it fell on you.

But I don't know why you believe that a nonliving noncorporeal em wave can influence anything in the way that a creator should be able to do. I mean, your idea requires at least as much faith, if not more, than currently fashionable ideas about the Creator.

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Exactly, so science could make more toys to alleviate people's boredom, even if they really have no clue what light is made of. I'm all for that since I have money to buy more new toys, and since I'm too blase to read scientific books, and books in general... People have this strange notion, however, that once a thing has been defined, they think they already know it -- NOT. But ahh, let's have another award show to give more awards to scientists and actors (to make them feel more important as it is), another function to wear the latest fashion and to have paparazzi earn their livelihood.

Yes it can

I'd like to rephrase my original theory, this is a better collection of my thoughts:

This god, or source has to be a form of intelligent energy operating at the highest possible point of the frequency spectrum. If such an energy exists at all, it might permeate the universe and maintain equal control of each component part. Because of its very high frequency, so high that the energy particles are virtually standing still, the source has no need to replenish itself in any way that would be acceptable to our environmental sciences. It could actually create and destroy matter possibly by manipulating the lower energies. Perhaps these energies could be referred to as gods, angels, and demons. It would be timeless, because it exists beyond all time fields. It would be infinite because it is not confined by three dimensional "space."

Perhaps if we were in a pure energy state, each particle of energy would itself serve as a synapse, and information could be stored by a slight alteration in frequency. All the memory fragments of a rose, for example, would be recorded at one frequency, and the whole energy form could tune into that memory by adjusting frequencies, as we might adjust a radio receiver. In other words, no complex circuitry would be required. No body would be necessary. The energy patterns would not need material form. It would permeate the entire universe. It could surround you completely at this very moment and be aware of all the feeble impulses of low energy passing through your brain. If it so desired, it could control those pulses and thus control your thoughts. Man has always been aware of this intelligent energy or force. He has always worshipped it.

Since time and space are not absolutes and so all human events occur simultaneously when viewed by a greater intelligence. If a greater intelligence wants to communicate with a lower form, all kinds of problems are presented. The communication must be conducted in a manner which will be meaningful and understandable to the lower life form. An acceptable frame of reference must be found and utilized.

God is the light and the way.

But it can be converted in to energy. The most famous equation in the world describes this. As given by Einstein: E=MC². If a particle meets its antiparticle it's possible for them to both annihilate and become energy, this is simply known as annihilation. Likewise, it's possible for gamma rays to create elementary particles, in pair production. If you do a search on either of the two terms you'll find plenty of information.

The conservation of mass is generally applied in chemistry, whereas physics uses the conservation of mass-energy.




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The frequency and wavelengths of electromagnetic waves are proportional, if you increase one you decrease the other, which seems to places a limit on properties of waves. If I'm wrong, just let me know.

How can matter be created or destroyed? Please explain. Matter can be converted into energy, and vice versa. That's what is believed to occur in a nuclear reaction. In a nuclear reaction some of the mass is converted into energy. Maybe that's what your talking about. But, matter isn't created or destroyed.

What do you think happens when you have a nuclear reaction? Matter can be created and destroyed. The notion that it can not be created nor destroyed has long been done away with, mass is just energy. It is energy that can not be created nor destroyed, under our current model. Remember that science "fact" isn't always whats really happening. Its just our model to explain what we know up to that point. For example the plum pudding model of the atom used to be science fact.

Even when energy such as heat or light is allowed to enter a system, or escape it, the law of conservation of mass holds to high approximation in cases when neglected. Even in higher energy chemical reactions, the mass-energy of the reactants is huge in comparison to the energy absorbed, retained, or released when they react. By way of example, a gram of TNT releases 4.16 kJ of energy when exploded. However, the rest-energy of a gram of TNT is 90 TJ, or about 20 billion times as much. This means that even if the products of a TNT explosion were stopped and allowed to cool to the original temperature, they would only lose 1 part in 20 billion in weight. This amount would be very difficult to measure, but does show nonetheless that matter can be destroyed or converted to enery if you want to be a stickler for the facts.

See: Wikipedia

There is a further item that can be considered. The case of the Big Bang.

After the Universe's period of inflation, many different kinds of particles were created. This was caused by the huge amount of energy released. Particles could be made suddenly and then those particles would "decay" and create some other type of particle. Most of these particles are not around today, but we can recreate them in a particle accelerator. All of these particles are smaller than an atom, so they are usually called subatomic particles. Subatomic particles can be grouped into different categories: hadrons (strong force), leptons (electromagnetic and other weak forces), and bosons (particlelike objects that have to do with different interactions). All particles however also have antiparticles. Antiparticles are have the same mass as its particle counterpart, but it either has a different charge or different electromagnetic property. All of this happened when the Universe was only ten billion trillion trillionths of a second old.

During this stage of the Universe's life, there were equal amounts of antimatter and matter. When the two opposite particles met up, they would annihilate each other. This created more radiation that sparked even more particle births. By the first second of its life, the Universe had only matter. Scientists think that the larger particles "decayed" into smaller particles. This was true on both the matter and the antimatter particles. Particles decay into smaller particles because the larger particles are unstable. For example, the X-boson, the heaviest subatomic particle, and its counterpart, the anti-X boson. They decayed into both particles and antiparticles but for each 100 million particles, there were only 99,999,999 antiparticles. Even though this was a tiny imbalance, it created all of the matter in the Universe.

When all of the larger particles were unstable and started to decay, the smaller particles stayed the same. Even lightweight leptons and quarks decay too. There are six types of leptons and quarks. The leptons include the tau, muon, and the electron. All of these leptons have their own neutrino named after them too. Quarks include the top, bottom, charm, strange, down, and up quarks. The tau and the muon are unstable and they decay to become electrons and neutrinos. All neutrinos are stable. The top, bottom, charm, and strange quarks eventually decay to become the down and up quarks.

All of the four forces that we know today used to be subatomic particles. Scientists believe that all forces used to be one large force until they split into the four forces: gravity, the strong force, the electromagnetic force, and the weak force. Gravity used to be carried by gravitons, the strong force was carried by gluons, and photons convey the electromagnetic and the weak force. Gravity, the weakest, affects all types of matter, and the strong force is inside of the nucleui of atoms. The electromagnetic force and the weak force grow stronger as the amount of energy increases, while the strong force grows weaker. All of this is known as the Grand Unified Theory.

In atoms, there is always at least one electron circling the nucleus. The nucleus is made up of protons and neutrons. Protons are made up of two up and one down quark. Neutrons are made up of two down and one up quark. Protons are positively charged, while neutrons have no charge at all. Neutrons by themselves are unstable, so they started decaying also. One neutron would equal one proton, one electron, and a neutral antineutrino. These neutrons and protons then made the atoms of the kinds of elements we see today. Three minutes after the Big Bang occurred, the first elements appeared. They included hydrogen (one proton nucleus), hydrogen-2 or deuterium (one proton and one neutron nucleus), helium-3 (two protons and one neutron nucleus), helium-4 (two protons and two neutrons nucleus), and lithium (three protons and four neutrons nucleus).

MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.

That sums it up quite nicely.

I knew all that. Mass and energy are still conserved. They're just converted into one another. Matter doesn't just appear out of nothing and it doesn't go into nothing. It turns into energy.

It still sounds like a crackpot theory to me. Please explain how you think his theory has any chance of being true. I would love to hear this.



If its energy then how could it be intelligent? What do you mean it isn't confined by three dimensional space? It has to be. There are only three dimensions and time. What other dimensions are there?

Actually, some scientists theorize that space has as many as ten dimensions. If you'd like a more reliable source, general relativity places space-time in four dimensions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spacetime

For more information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimension#Additional_dimensions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory

They THEORIZE there are as many as ten dimensions. That doesn't mean there are. I'm still waiting for them to prove thier theories. We can only actually observe four dimensions.

You didn't answer my other question. If it is energy then how can it be intelligent?

First of all, you say, "I'm still waiting for them to prove thier theories." Well then, I'm still waiting for you to prove them false.

Second, I can not answer this question, it could after all just be the force that puts the universe in motion and not actually intelligent. But if it is an intelligent force, which I hope it is, it is possible it is made up of the same material that the mind is made up of, and so I have a question for you:

If we are organisms, why are we intelligent?

Why waste time discrediting something which has no evidence?

And can you explained how it's possible for there to be electromagnetic waves existing outside the known spectrum?

This is all based on unproven theories. It not even a theory. If it is so good then prove it.

theory (plural theories)

(countable) An unproven conjecture.
I have a theory about who broke into the school last night, but it’s just a theory.

Let's not get into some sort of childish fight here, the point is that I asked you a question, you weren't able to figure out that question, and yet the question is based on account. The same can be said about my theory. I based my theory on what we know of the electromagnetic spectrum.

As for Raptor, this situation would only occur if we were to find new frequency waves, there are still new things to find out there, and soon enough new theories that make even more sense than relativity are bound to come up. I doubt that our scientific knowledge ends at where we are at this point in time. You're right though, based on electromagnetic waves then this 'god' would have to be the highest frequency or some sort of entity made from the highest EMW.

The word 'theory' has a completely different meaning in the field of science. In common use it's conjecture, a guess. In science it's a model which is based on known facts and observationsm which is able to describe phenomena and make accurate predictions.

I still believe that the properties of waves are restricted in some way...

Well then please explain to me (and I'm sorry if I'm sounding sarcastic) why this theory or hypothesis as you'd prefer, is impossible? And if not, what am I missing for it to be possible?

I never said it was.

Actually providing evidence for it might be a nice idea, though.

I suppose the only evidence I can give you is based on the way that electromagnetic spectrum is balanced. But to look for a god, one must use unbalanced answer. Even though my theory is lacking proof, so does any other theology of god, the only difference is of paranormal experiences contributing to what seem as religious god(s). And so this is my last statement on this topic, pending further discovery.

What about gravitons? I thought I read something about a facility that is devoted to figuring out why they can just disappear.

I'm not buying it. You will have to show me proof before I believe anything you're saying.

There are a group of particles known as "virtual particles" which exist during the process of particle decay, and they are able to appear and disappear, literally out of nowhere. The catch is, they exist for such an incredibly small length of time it's impossible for them to be observed.

If you observe the energy of the initial particle as well as the products of decay you'd see that conservation of energy remains intact. It's as if the virtual particles go unnoticed by reality itself.

It's all a bit confusing.

I'm still not convinced anybody could actually create and destroy matter that way. I know it is possible to convert mass into energy in a nuclear reaction. But, what you're describing above is not a nuclear reaction. You're talking about creating and destroying matter using electromagnetic radiation, correct? How is that possible? Has anybody ever done it? If so then why is the universe even stable? If electromagnetic radiation really had the ability to create and destroy matter there would be matter being created and destroyed all around us.

As far as I know, gravitons were invented by science fiction authores, especially in the Star Trek universe. The don't exist.

Yes it is really confusing! Well, I thought it had something to do with string theory and quantum physics. I could swear they actually (yes I know I probably sound stupid) have this facility to study gravitons. Something about sending them around on a track??

Their existence is based on mathematical models and not on visual identification, just like Multi-Dimensional Physics is based on Super-String Theory and Quantum Physics.

These models are accepted at this time because they provide us with explanations for experimental results that have been acquired.

It is also interesting to note that while some models postulate the existence of 11 or 12 dimensions others go as far as 22 or 23 dimensions.

This is something that can be shown mathematically, not experienced by human beings. Our minds aren't capable of visualizing 5 dimensions much less the others.

Tell me, have you ever heard of matter-antimatter annihilation?

It is accepted scientifically that it can be done. We know how to produce anti matter in small quantities. Energy is released but matter is destroyed.

They're hypothetical, that's not to say that they don't exist. Many particles which we are now aware of were predicted before they were ever observed.



Heh, that would be a particle accelerator/collider.

They haven't been able to successfully study gravitons yet, but I believe there are plans to do research at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) facility in Switzerland once it's fully up and running to finally try and indirectly prove their existence. It's unlikely that they'll ever be able to directly observe one for a long time.

The basic idea of a collider is to give tiny particles ridiculous amounts of energy, then to just smash them together and see what happens. It's pretty much jsut a big toy.

Perhaps there is matter being created and destroyed all around us, but the created matter we just haven't found yet and the destroyed matter, as Raptor has stated works somewhat in the way that virtual particles do. Or perhaps it is that we are not even aware of this destroyed matter as it affects time and so it is as if it had never even existed. We're trapped in our own boundry of time.

He didn't say matter-antimatter annihilation. If he means matter-antimatter annihilation then why doesn't he say so. From what he has written it sounds like he is suggesting it's possible to create and destroy matter using electromagnetic radiation. He didn't even mention anything about matter-antimatter.

Without any evidence these are just hopeless ramblings.

So why did you bring up matter-antimatter annihilation when he didn't even suggest that and he disputed it. Don't get me wrong it was interesting to find out there is another way to convert matter into energy. I have an interest in physics also. I must admit I don't know much about advanced physics, but it is still interesting to me. I just don't understand why you would answer my question by bringing up something he didn't even suggest.

Thanks for telling me he disputed something that is known to be possible. That's nice to know.

That part where he says electromagnetic radiation would create and destroy matter is the main part of his hypothesis that I have a problem with. I don't understand how that could be possible. It sounds like pseudoscience to me.

I can believe God could be energy. I don't know anything about God. So anything is possible. I don't see how with man's current understanding of intelligence how energy could be intelligent though. All known lifeforms are composed of matter and energy. It seems to go against the all of man's knowledge of biology for energy to be a lifeform.

As far as we know intelligence, we do not know where it comes from. Have you not heard claims of astral projection? Why is it that the astrally projected are concious and the mind remains as some sort of form of energy rather than matter. There is no matter in our bodies that we know can somehow just create intelligence. Is the brain how we achieve our intellect, or is it simply a storehouse of the mind? The mind is where our intelligence seems to spawn, but then the mind is not matter, it is not a physical part of the brain that can be taken out and toyed with. The mind is energy, explain how this god cannot be energy either.

Forgive my last post, I misread a few things.

Jim, you're absolutely right that electromagnetic waves can not destroy matter as Hewa seems to think.



I brought up matter-antimatter annihilation in response to your post about the impossibility of matter being destroyed. It was nothing to do with Hewa's theory.

Actually, I was the one who brought it up, but it's no biggi.

I was actually responding to Jim88s' assertion that matter could not be created or destroyed in general and was not responding to Hewas' ideas on the matter.

Although alot may not be known about electro-magnetic phenomena, we can safely say that creation and destruction of matter is not part of its' characteristics.

There is the possibility that high intensity electro-magnetic phenomena can be associated with many different theories like gravitation but this is all still being studied.

Well I guess then that we'll just have to wait and see what the future holds. Until some major breakthrough, I am discontinuing my posts on this thread. Besides, it is rather bold to try and think up how such a high power can exist. If were are to find out the formula for God, then that would probably be the last things that we as humans discover.