Some people believe we are the result of genetic engineering done by aliens. They base thier beliefs on various myths. They claim to have found verses in the Bible that mention UFOs. They interpret the texts differently than the experts, so thier evidence is bogus. But what do you think about the theory? Is it plausible. Could we be the result of genetic engineering done by aliens?

Another possibility is we are the advanced technology of an alien civilization. God could be the leading scientist of a team of scientists who created us.

I just want to get people's opinions on this. Do you think God could be an alien?

I think there is ample evidence to at least surmise the ancient Sumerian culture believed as much. The Annunaki, or those who, from heaven to Earth, came. They were also known as The Watchers. And, if the cuneiform tablets are any indication, they were the progenitors of the human race. So, in that respect, as god is construed as creator, it may be said there are civilizations that did indicate their understanding of god was extra-terrestrial beings. aka/Aliens.

Have you ever read anything related to the Sumerian culture, in that respect?

Goddess, in some of the non-canon Jewish/Christian writings (most specifically the Book of Enoch), one group of fallen angels called the Gregori (also called Watchers in some of the text) came to Earth and lived with man teaching him many things of civilization such as fire, and shaping metal. Interesting tie-in..... hmmmmm

no, i don't believe God is an alien...i believe He is our creator....but i will admit that alien engineering sounds a lot better than evolution. lol

randomhit10

No, I have never read anything related to the Sumerian culture. I heard about people claiming Sumerian tablets mentioned aliens. Thier interpretation of the tablets didn't match with how archaeologists interpreted those same tablets. I don't believe the evidence for alien genetic engineering to be valid. It is all based on the misinterpretation of various myths. I think the theory is interesting though. For all we know it could be true. We could be the creations of an advanced civilization.

My heart says no but my mind says...........NO.



They did a crappy job don't you think?

My heart says you're right lonely 1 and my mind says....YOU ARE RIGHT

Although it seems absurd it is actually pretty probable.

It would be exceptionally easy to trick a less intelligent species to believe in something.

If an ancient ever saw an alien the first thing they would assume them to be a god...all the Alien has to do is take it from there.

Humans can trick other humans into fully believing in made up things ::cough::Scientology::cough:: It would be incredibly easier for an alien to the same...especially in the past where our knowledge was far less then it is today, we would be more gullible. If you see a weird looking creation come down from the sky...your either going to think Alien or Angel. back in the day nobody even thought about the idea of other life in the universe so they would think they where seeing an angel or a god.

I have no real reason to believe this took place...but it could have very easily happened. As long as there was another life habitable planet that exists at the same time as mankind and produced an advanced species of life that had the power and desire to find us and actually cared to give us all fake religions that is.

lets assume for a minute that aliens did create us... that takes us back to square one...

where did the aliens come from?

Where did God come from if he is not an alien? He must have had a beginning.

These gods were all originally described as "great dragons" as well, and portrayed as such in Sumerian art, where they appeared almost identical to the earliest dragons of China. Two of the highest ranking ones, identified as brothers, are very prominent in the original versions of the flood, eden, and tower of Babel stories, and would become the Jehovah and Satan of Judaism. Both would be described as dragons in the Bible, though Christians tend to gloss these facts over. But were these aliens? Or could some higher God have enhanced some ancient prehistoric reptiles to be his servants? This premise is one of many explored in my upcomnng book.

If it was aliens: They did a piss-poor job and I'm just as ticked off at them.

If it was a god: He did a piss-poor job and I'm *still* pissed off at him.

Nope. No change.

The only difference is that I can (possibly) one day bring about an unholy reckoning on the aliens in this life.

*grabs vial of bacteria that makes common cold*

Bring. It.

Well I think its possible maybe. Like in my blue light dream, I was shown things which were meant to show that I started there. So I dont know what other groups think really but in that particular dream the Father figure(like God)was the Holy scientist who showed me around and told me certain things about my future, while God was the mind that connected it all and they all worked within His minds thoughts(which was loving). And the Father figure was just that really, He was most caring and loving and in just the presence of Him I felt massive love like nothing I've felt anywhere else. And he basically looked just like Crowley's LAM picture which looks like a grey but more human like. Anyway this was just an abduction style dream(so yeah..)but it was very vivid and scary at the start until I was with the Father, anyway the things which I was told have been coming true and it just makes me look at the whole experience with more wonder or something..

Like in that dream which I had when I was about 18, I was told that I would have a child later in life and that he would be a boy and would I like to be a dad, to which I was very happy. He told me that I would have the only boy child and that the others in my family would all have girls. Anyway my son is turning 6 soon and the rest in my family have all had girls(and every child was born well after the dream). Like my parents have 7 granddaughters(i might be forgetting one too lol) to the one grandson and my son is the last in my families name kinda. I was also told I was about to go through a very hard time(like I was warned) and that I should just try to not stress and just have faith, and then not long after that, I go charged with murder, which I eventually and after much stress to myself, my family and my friends, beat. So for me personally I kinda give faith to that dream because of just those things for starters.

Anyway the Father figure was very Holy and loving and caring, and also kinda alien looking(but humanish eyes) so maybe God isnt the alien so much but just the Father. God in my dream was more like a mind in space.

not according to science...

if you believe in the scientifc concept of the big bang... all matter is eternal...

since matter can be eternal... why can't God?

either you follow science, or you follow what you believe to be true... but one thing science and Christianity agree on is that something having no beginning and no ending is indeed possilbe...

and when you are outside of the time domain... you don't have to have a beginning or an end because time doesn't exist...

God knew that concept in the Bible... thus His name... I AM...

yeah...so much for advanced intelligence...kinda drops that idea in the dirt, huh? lol

randomhit10

Well, I bought the X-Files on dvd, and God, according to a race of super soldiers, seems to live inside a spaceship. I thought I would be able to make more sense of Mulder running off like that watching it the second time around... but I still don't get it.

that's quite interesting... i'm sure you have a better human that you've created to prove how much better you are at it than them?

That's the typical belief of Christians. That's fine if you believe the Bible. I don't.

According to the Big Bang theory all of the universe formed from the Big Bang. Since God is a part of the universe that would include God. God came from the Dao just like everyone and everything else.

Who says God is outside the time domain? How do you know he is outside the time domain? I don't believe anybody is outside the time domain.

if you understand the concept of the Big Bang... then you should understand the concept that time and space were created with the Big Bang...

what exploded was an infinitely dense speck of cosmic dust that some how overcame it's nature of collapsing in on itself... and exploded...

science believes that the infinitely dense speck of cosmic dust was always there... and if it's explostion created time and space... that means there was no such thing as time... thus making its existance outside of the time domain...

so it's not just a Christian belief as you claim... it's based in science also... i'm not saying its true... i'm just saying that it's what both sides believe... that there is a concept of infinity... a time before time...

i'm not sure what you believe in... because you have told me you believe some parts of the Bible... then you say you don't... i really don't know what you believe... but if it's science... you might want to read up on what you believe in...

LoL I'm not sure but kinda of sounded like you were being sarcastic.



Perhaps.

That's a real stretch to claim the Big Bang supports the idea that God has always been present. A lot of people who believe in the Big Bang theory don't even believe in God. According to the Big Bang theory the universe formed all by itself. It doesn't even mention God.

You and I just disagree on this. You believe God has always been present. I believe God came from the Dao.

I believe very little of the Bible is accurate. I believe the Bible is a deception (God has been deceiving people) and people have been altering it since the beginning. The biggest problem with the Bible is I don't know very much about what is accurate and what isn't. So for the most part it is useless to me.

One thing that irks me about the "Chariots of the Gods" theory is that no one has yet to discuss the possibility that those advanced beings who taught the ancients the ways of civilization may have indeed been humans themselves.

An as-yet undiscovered society of humans may have traveled to areas where their fellow human beings weren't as advanced as they were and may have taught them agriculture, writing, mathematics, and the basics of forming a civilized means of existence.

And by advanced I'm not speaking of space flight, nuclear weapons, and all that other Atlantian myth or alien crappola. Imagine if you will a group of hunter/gatherers who rely solely on the crudest of stone tools suddenly confronted by a race of people who posses the bow and arrow, or who have the knowledge of gathering fish with nets. To those "more primitive" people the travelers they encountered would have indeed seemed alien (or God-like if you prefer).

No offence intended towards anyone and their beliefs, but it is my opinion that the concepts of God and advanced aliens are both equally detrimental to human understanding. They both portray humankind as a subservient culture, and deny our true abilities (both good and bad) that we are capable of.

And before anyone counters with "Well, who created that advanced culture that you're speaking of?" let me just say that the first known civilization (the Sumerian) who attributes their advancement to a teacher (Oannes) did NOT believe in the God of the bible.

Believe in any God or Goddess as you will. I believe in humankind (no matter how screwed up it is).

That's an interesting theory, but it doesn't explain the supernatural abilities attributed to gods.

The supernatural nature abilities, as you refer to them, came much later through embellishments and/or misinterpretations of the original accounts.

Taking Oannes for example, he is often referred to as being an amphibious creature, yet this may simply be that he (or those of his kind) were seafaring travelers.

I understand that you are coming from a religious POV, and that only a "God" type entity will suffice for an answer to your question.

I, on the other hand, believe that we ourselves are responsible for our actions, and there is no God (good or evil) to blame for our injustices to one another, or to thank for our existence.

God is omnipotent....

Ok, that could be true. I don't believe any of the ancient stories of gods. I think they're all myths. I do believe in God but I don't base my belief on myths.

No, you don't have to give me a God type answer. You can believe what you think is true. You don't have to agree with me.

Those are all good points, and I agree that there has been absolutely no evidence of extraterrestrial artifacts in the archaeologlical record. But the fact remains that the Sumerians, the Chinese and the MesoArmericans, all more advanced cultures among their hunter gatherer contemporaries, ALL stated in their ancient legends that "great dragons" in Sumeria and China, and "feathered serpents", in the Americas "taught" them their technologies. Why would such divers cultures serperated by continents ALL say the same, seemingly absurd thing? This doesn't mean reptilian aliens visited this planet, of course, but it is also interesting to note that while these more civilized cultures embraces these "dragons" as Gods, the more primitive cultures around them usually regarded these intelligent creatures as terrifying monsters. And why would these disparate cultures assign great wisdom to such creatures, if the only basis for such animals were fearsome, man-eating predators like Crocodiles not parituularly well known for their technological expertise?

If you studied your Sumerian myths more, you would find that the ancient sumerians not only believed in the God of the Bible (Enlil the Storm Dragon, who flooded the human race and who would become the Biblical Yahweh), but Adam, Eden, the Tower of Babel were all Sumerian stories that would eventually would become the first book of the Bible. The Sumerian God of Wisdom, En-Ki, called in Hymns, the "Great Dragon who stood in Eridu by Eden", would also become Christianity's Satan. Amusingly, both Christian Dragon God and Dragon Devil were brothers in the original Sumerian stories.

With respect, this isn't a discussion about dragon myths, but rather, whether the human race may be the result of alien intervention and genetic manipulation.

However, to address your point, even though those cultures were relatively advanced to their contemporaries, they were still quite primitive compared to modern civilization. They invented stories to explain what they could not understand by the means available to them. Similarities aside, their "truths" regarding deities (and yes, dragons as well) are now generally considered myths.



I should have been more clear in my previous post. I am by no means a scholar on ancient civilizations, but I have read up on Sumerian mythology, and what you wrote above supports the point I was trying to make. That is, that the God of the Bible is a conglomeration of earlier deities conveniently rolled into one. It's easy to see why someone could look at all the varied ancient mythologies, and begin to wonder if humankind is the result of a group of advanced beings (alien or otherwise) rather than the creation of one God.

Again, I'm not trying to be disrespectful towards anyone's beliefs. I'm simply stating my opinion.



You've lost me on this one. I've never heard or read of Christians worshiping a "dragon" God.

I don't believe in God, as portrayed by religion...but IF he did exist, as he doesn't actually physically live on earth, then logically he must be extra-terrestrial.

I think there's a strong posibility that we, the human race, were genetically engineered by a superior intelligence.

Humans seem to be a lot like dogs, in that we have pack leaders...maybe an obedience gene, a follow the leader gene, was put into our DNA...so that we could be controlled.
Now we're left high and dry, so to speak, without the ultimate pack leader...so people crave for the dominant one and call him God/Allah etc..

never said that... i said both science and Christianity believe that something always existed...
you made up the rest...

God may be in space - the heavens - but he is not an 'alien'. An alien is a supposed mortal being, God is not mortal.

is god an alien,

well most of us christians just call him, 'our father' amongst other things... but i dunno you could call him an alien if you prefer... maybe he's ok with that.

let me see... our alien who art in heaven, hallowed be your... no doesn't work

The Gnostic creation idea could hold water in this topic. There is more than one "god." There is the God of all, the transcidental God, the source. Then there are other beings he created which to us could be consider gods. Anyways, if I'm not mistaken, somewhere along the line (i beleive Sophia was resposible when she fell from grace but can't remember) an imperfect god (and physical matter) was created. This imperfect god created humans. This could signify that the imperfect god may have been a higher intelligent physical life form. This could also explain polythesic diety such as anceint greek dieties such as Zues,etc. Could these ancient gods have been a higher advanced species that created humans for work, etc. Remember, each greek god had a responsibiity or area of rule under Zues, this doesn't sound like the an omnipresent source. According to the story, again, if I'm not mistaken, its been a while since i researched this, Archons, a much more advanced species were created by this imperfect god before human. The Archons were created as they were without potential, they were created as their full potnetial. Humans were created with much less capability but had an enormous amount of potential through their spirit. The Archons were allegedly jealous of the human potential and did what they could to minimize their development. The true God, offered a way back to him to spite the imperfect god. This may also explain some of the differences between the God of the OT and the God of the NT. Interesting but who knows?

That's an interesting theory.



I got news for you the Big Bang theory doesn't say that matter always existed. According to the Big Bang theory the universe started from a point in space. Matter was created during the Big Bang.

I thought this might explain some things about the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution is considered to be a theory.

This website explains the Big Bang Theory.

http://members.tripod.com/~ssscott/BigBang.html



This is talking about matter being created by the Big Bang.

I believe I mentioned this in a previous post, but Gnostic scriptures state the Old Testament God is a Dragon, as does Zoroastrian texts which inspired Christianity. Yahweh was originally a serpent-dragon storm God called Enlil that flooded the world in the Sumerian legends that were imitated by Judasism. Biblical scholars have noted that this connection continued in Judaism, with fiery flying serpents (Seraphim ) being the highest heavely creatures, and Yahweh ordering a winged serpent idol to be made, but punished the Israelites when they made a golden bull.

Interestingly, Enlil was not the highest Sumerian God, but a heavenly one called Anu was who had no serpent or dragon titles as did the others. Perhaps these lesser Gods, all over the world with serpent/dragon connections are the Archons, who were assistants to the real God, but considered Gods to humans who reportedly saw these fantastic creatures. Zeus too, supposedly raped women while in the form of a serpent or dragon.

It is all of these reptilian connotations why Stichen and others believe ancient aliens visited this planet in mankinds distant past who were distinctly Reptilian in form, and this formed the basis for the world wide dragon gods.

Listen dragonboy why don't you show yourself to be what you truely are - a dragon lover - who steals from the Hebrew texts for your own purposes. You go on about how Yahweh GOD supposedly destroyed people with dragons yet you believe in the gnostic garbage that Yahweh is some sort of evil God. You go with ANY texts which has the word 'dragon' in it, even erroneously dragging up later Greek interpretations of Hebrew texts which supposedly mean dragon in GREEK yet were never intended in Hebrew, and etc. Make up your mind dragonboy. I'm sure you think Eragon is inspired by some 'holy text'! It MUST BE! It has DRAGONS in it. Who gives a damn.

ROFLMAO!

It was ancient Jewish Rabbis who translated the word Seraphim to drakon, and these ancient scholars knew far more about their religion than you. Every serious Hebrew dictionary recognizes seraphim as fiery, flying serpents, which is really another way of saying "dragon" if that word is not in a language. These translations are in the Dead Sea Scrolls along with books of the bible translated into the Greek. And this is just the tip of the iceberg of the role of dragonlike creatures play in both ancient Judaism and Christianty, when you scrape away the later BS intended to cover these facts up.

Everyone here knows that you have no idea what you are talking about. You still think the Book of Enoch was written by an Ethiopian and one of the oldest books in the bible. No real Biblical scholar acknowledges such nonsense.

Here we all go again LMAO

Havent mentioned ur book yet, sure u will get a plug in somewhere lol

OK I've got a theory, some ancient human is running around naked throwing rocks at a deer, in hopes of finding himself some dinner, but he misses the mark and the deer gets away. "Ooga booga!"(mother ******!), he says, frustrated and hungry he plops himself down on the ground, while on the ground he notices some happy little mushrooms beside him. Hungry and having nothing else to eat he starts munching away on these tasty little treats, after a few minutes of eating he starts yawning and feeling a drowsey, he then slowly gets up and starts looking for some more rocks to throw at deer but starts to feel a little queasy, soon he gets some serious stomach craps and decides to sits back down again, he then throws up. After some time throwing up he tries to get back up and realizes there is some crazy looking reptilian humanoid thingy standing in front of him and the world is spinning. Startled he says, "Ooga booga?"(who the hell are you?). Without opening its mouth the reptialian thingy says, "Maybe you should wrap an animal skin around yourself you stupid hairless monkey, you've got thorns in your ****! And try making a long pointy stick or something, obviously throwing rocks at deer isnt working out for you." The ancient human then passes out, has wonderous dreams and awakes with two great ideas, he'll use pointy sticks to get that stupid deer that got away and use its skin to cover himself up. After successfully getting his deer with his fancy pointy stick and making himself some undies from its skin he heads home looking like a new man. Upon returning home to his tribe he's the talk of the town tree and has a story to tell about the "god" he encountered.

Pretty stupid huh lol? Not quite as plausible as the one about the all-powerful deity that got owned by a talking snake?

Good point, but the only problem is that ancient men all over the world believed "great dragons" taught them technology. Why is it always a reptilian creature that talks to them when they eat the magic muchrooms? The Bible is a poor choice to base anything on, because its Eden story is just a very bad version of a much earlier story, which hebrew shepherds distorted after years of retelling it as an oral tradition. In the original version, the serpent is a winged quadrapedal dragon with a serpent-like head not unlike the modern fantasy conception. Even in the bible story, the creature is apparently a winged and limbed creature that becomes legless as a punishment from God. This loss of limbs has nothing to do with the original Sumerian eden dragon, but comes from another Sumerian story garbled into the story of Adam and Enki in the Garden of Eden.

The nice thing about studying the stories that inspired the Bible are that they were found preserved, and untouched in their original form, and are over a 1000 years older than when the Hebrews are ever mentioned as a people. And there can be no doubt they are the origin of the earliest Bible stories. The same Garden of Eden comple with a talking dragon is there, the same Adam, the tower of Babel, the Great Flood, etc. And interestingly, these stories often make far more sense than the wildly embellished verisons told over and over again by illiterate Hebrew Shepherds.

The Great Flood for example doesn't drown the whole world, and Noah only brings his own livestock on a raft so he would not lose his livlihood and wealth, then measured in a persons livestock. Nothing so absurd as "gather two of every living animal". The amusing thing about the original story is that it is the same dragon in Eden who Christians turn into their invented devil, that is is actually the creature who warns/saves Noah, from his brother, the storm dragon, who Scholars clearly prove is the original source of the Biblical God (who according to that book, still occasionally breaths fire from his mouth, smoke from his nostrils and occasionally "consumes" both his priests and common folk alike - but they kinda skip over that part in Sunday School).

Do these stories have any truth to them? Millions of people believe they do, only in the updated version the dragon-gods have become reptilian space aliens whom our ancestors all over the world called "dragons". But this is only one interpetation for those who believe the notion of an intelligent entity behind the universe is nonsense and life isjust an accidental cocktail of the right chemicals in the right environment.

But as to the Bible, any intelligent person cannot ignore the fact that the Genesis stories are based on much older stories, which logic dictates should be more accurate than the versions told and retold for centuries by illiterate shpherds until they were finally written down. Archaeology has proven many things later recorded in the Bible are true, but these things were then comtemporary with the writers. If the ancient Hebrews had access to the original stories when they created their "Bible" they probably would have rewrote Genesis. But these stories where already lost, ancient history in their own time, as far removed from them, as we are from the Bible writers.

Sorry about that, wrong thread.

I don't have any trouble believing this. I believe the Bible is mostly myths anyway. You said arcahaeology has many things later recorded in the Bible are true. I only know of a battle that's recorded in the Bible being confirmed to have happened from Babylonian records. What else have they been able to prove actually happened? Do you know?

For example,
minimalists claimed there was never a person called pontius pilate, and then a stele with his name on it was found in Caesarea.

Many things in the Old Testament are not contradicted by the the historical record. The maccabean revolt is documented in other sources. The various seiges of Jerusalem and many other cities are documented by other historical sources. There is really quite a bit of stuff, and I am sure someone reading here can supply you with a good website.

Even a great flood in Mesopotamia is chronilogcially correct with the time said in the Bible, only it was not a world wide flood.

This is true, go almost anywhere in the world and you will find ancient cultures referring to reptilians/snakes/serpents/dragons as bringers of knowledge/technology/enlightenment.

Not always but many times it is reptilians of some form that are encountered(if anything is encountered), other times these encounters are with a clown/gnome/jester/elf type thingies or even insect/arachnid type thingies. But many times and in the vast majority of ancient traditions it is the reptilians that are the main focus.

Now I dont pretend that everything seen or become known in altered states is the truth, I dont believe in truth but see probabilities, archetypes, concepts, individual perceptions. But there is a definite pattern throughout the world that seems to have inspired cultural traditions/religions involving reptilians and even traditions/religions that seem to be a reaction to these reptilian traditions. That said if one were to even just temporarily believe that these reptialians were "gods" or the basis for emerging traditions built around these "godly" encounters, the craziest part, the most mind-blowing thing is if one were so inclined to do so anyone, and I mean anyone, can go face to face with these things, however and this is a big one, if someone were to make this choice they are also making the choice to break today's laws and face imprisonment for doing so. Now to some it may seem outrageous that someone who wishes to take a "spiritual" journey should face such harsh consequences, and even now I find myself having to choose my words carefully, but in my opinion of today's world it makes complete sense. In my opinion the only things holding people back from an earth shattering experiece, in more ways than one, is that the tools needed to do so are seen as "wrong" and "bad" in this part of the world at this time in history. But there will always be outlaws lol.



A small excerpt from an interesting book titled The Cosmic Serpent, that like anything of this nature should take into account individual perceptions and underlying concepts....

Maybe I would find the answer by looking at both perspectives simultaneously, one eye on science and the other on shamanism. The solution would therefore consist in posing the question differently: It was not a matter of asking whether the source of hallucinations is internal or external, but of considering that it might be both at the same time. I could not see how this idea would work in practice, but I liked it because it reconciled two points of view that were apparently divergent. My research revealed that in the early 1960s, anthropologist Michael Harner had gone to the Peruvian Amazon to study the culture of the Conibo Indians. After a year or so he had made little headway in understanding their religious system when the Conibo told him that if he really wanted to learn, he had to drink ayahuasca. Harner accepted, not without fear, because the people had warned him that the experience was terrifying.

The following evening, under the strict supervision of his indigenous friends, he drank the equivalent of a third of a bottle. After several minutes he found himself falling into a world of true hallucinations.

He saw that his visions emanated from "giant reptilian creatures" resting at the lowest depths of his brain. These creatures began projecting scenes in front of his eyes. "First they showed me the planet Earth as it was eons ago, before there was any life on it. I saw an ocean, barren land, and a bright blue sky. Then black specks dropped from the sky by the hundreds and landed in front of me on the barren landscape. I could see the ‘specks’ were actually large, shiny, black creatures with stubby pterodactyl-like wings and huge whale-like bodies.... They explained to me in a kind of thought language that they were fleeing from something out in space. They had come to the planet Earth to escape their enemy. The creatures then showed me how they had created life on the planet in order to hide within the multitudinous forms and thus disguise their presence. Before me, the magnificence of plant and animal creation and speciation–hundreds of millions of years of activity–took place on a scale and with a vividness impossible to describe. I learned that the dragon-like creatures were thus inside all forms of life, including man."



From Dr. Rick Strassman's DMT: The Spirit Molecule...

With eyes open or closed, he saw colored patterns of an extremely complex geometric structure that gradually began to resemble reptilian structures such as scales and bones. After around five minutes, Ernesto got up from his seat and laid down under a blanket. There, for around the next 1-1/2 hours, he continued to experience a reptilian presence. This reptilian presence was somewhat disturbing to Ernesto, because of the conditioning we have against reptiles, but the reptile presence spoke to him gently, encouraging him to appreciate the reptilian history in his body, and its great strength and resilience. The reptilian spirit told him that it was a source of his strength, that he needed in order to succeed as a living being. Ernesto accepted this understanding, and gradually dealt with the tension between conditioned repulsion and wholesome self-acceptance. He saw images of primitive spears, the extensions of reptilian talons and claws.

God is no more alien than you or I, For our spirit Is modeled after His and Mother's eternal Spirit, And the bodies were Modeled after The bodies which were on His Father's world before Fathyer was given this one to create as he and Mother wished.

Corneilious, who's last incarnation was Noah from the flood was given a world to create as he wished also, and so that his children did not have to feel the devistation that he (Noah ) did he left feelings out of his spirit children's Bodies (The Gray's).

This was great for technology but bad for Love and Light.
They have been trying to incorporate our DNA in to theirs for quite some time.

Yes, there are half breeds and Many genetic experiments which have gone on since the beginning of this world, The God of the gray's is our Brother and The gray's are our Nephiews.

Love Omnaka

Then who or what created space?

Space is nothingness. What makes you think anybody created it?

If I understand the Big Bang theory correctly then it says that space and time were formed when the universe formed. I don't really believe that. I believe they always existed. I never said I believed the Big Bang theory. Somebody else brought it up. I just chose to debate him on it because he tried to tell me his religious beliefs were based on science. I just wanted to show him they weren't.

God's Father s farter's Father's Father;s father all the way up to Infinity, cause it has always been. Infinity is a hard concept but it is a true concept.

The same way God the Father has given away worlds to sons from this world and the sons will have spirit sons and they willGive away worlds to their sons and then they being God of their world will have sons which will inherit a world , making them a god of their own world , then they have sons and give away world's to them and on and on in to infinity, and because there are multiple worlds given away from each world to sons who have graduated this infinity goes in every direction. Kind of like a giant Mandelbrot set, only with spirit life, and physical vehicles.

Love Omnaka