I am not a big believer on the UFO phenomenon. I doubt I ever will be. However, I am not necessairly unfamiliar with the subject. I used to be very interested in the subject and I still have a large collection of books on UFOs and aliens from those previous days of believing everything I hear.

But I remember one blurb from one of those books that has stood in my mind, and it always will.

"A chimpanzee is in the jungle when it looks up and see's an airplane above it. The chimpanzee automatically asumes it is a large bird because that is all it is able to comprehend."

I don't know if thats exactly how it goes, or what book it is from, but it is one of those things that really gets your mind going. Let's say UFO sightings are real. Do we assume they are vehicles because that is all we are able to comprehend? Can we even begin to actually imagine what they actually are? Or are our minds even capable of that?

Could they actually be something besides machines? Would the occupants or creater of such a thing even stop to explain what it is? Would it be a waste of their time to explain ? Would they even be able to explain? Are we too primitave for it?

As a skeptic, I don't take much time wondering about that since I don't actually believe in it. But I am interested: what do believers think?

Try to imagine modern man trying to explain the inner workings of the space shuttle or a computer to Christopher Columbus 500 years ago! Were people of his time capable of back-engineering a space shuttle? Now, try to imagine an alien being trying to explain his exotic technology that is 100 million years more advanced than ours, to us. Can you imagine a mechanical-biological spaceship that is an extention of the pilot itself? There are many things that we are unable to comprehend today, of things that will be commonly used a thousand years from now.



As far as UFOs go, I am interested, not just what our eyes perceive, but what other means available, have verified what our eyes were witnessing.

do I have to be a chimp to get this?....ok ..actually I never believed in ufo's til i saw them...they really dont interest me...

until you see one of these things for yourself never really comprehend what someone else goes thru. i always thought people who saw ufos were either druggies or psychotics till i acually saw one myself. i kept it to myself and never told anyone because i'ld be made fun of. it's not something i had asked for it just happened. whether it was alein or not remains to be seen ,but alot of things point in that direction when you dig deeper into this.

It's a good point. We don't really know. We tend to assume they are extraterrestrial craft. But there are other theories of their origins that are just as interesting if not more so.

They do have some strange observed properties- shape changing is sometimes reported. two objects merging into one sometimes. Sometimes they appear as intelligently controlled balls of light that would seem to be too small to be a craft. Maybe it's not a single phenomenon at all?

I try to approach the subject remembering that we don't really know much at all about them, other then they are a persistant phenomenon that defies our understanding.

Listen up Mr Moe, maybe you "Canadians" are still on the same intellectual level as chimpanzees and can't distinguish between a car and a rhinoceros, but we Americans dang sure can...if an American Says its a freaking Space ship from another planet then you can bet your mothers soul thats exactly what it is....Americans are never wrong....

Unless the American Government say's they are...

This was the type of UAP I witnessed, but even we have UAV's that are just as small or smaller than some of these UAP. So I don't think you can extrapolate too much based only on size.

Thats the same thing I tell all the ladies

That remark of yours is unjustified!!



There have been those who have worked for the US Government that participated in the Disclosure Project and look what they were saying!

I choose not to listen to people when they say things that I don't agree with

Of course, which means you disagree with millions of people around the globe, including astronauts and cosmonauts, commercial and military pilots, ATC personnel, radar controllers, police officials, government officials, including military officers and enlisted personnel, intelligence officials, and many scientist and astronomers, worldwide, who have said that UFOs are real.

That is correct...

Hey is this not considered flaming and against forum rules,why do you need to make immature comments like that.This forum is not about who is right and who is wrong and is about everyone having a good time and discussing the subject about the Ufo Phenomena which is occurring daily all over the globe.

Colbert Nation = jackass

sorry admin but it had to be done.

Yes it is, I just flammed 33 Million Canadians at once....actually see rule 6

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Seems to me it is you silentdan who is trying to instigate a "flame war" and it is YOU silentdan who derailed the topic of UFO Machines to talk about flamming....

STOP VIOLATING THE RULES SILENTDAN

Then, I guess that means you side with the folks at CSICOP! Am I correct?!

Get some treatment man something is wrong with you.

I actually believe it was supposed to be joke. I could be wrong though. But anyways, let's try and get back on topic here.

Conclusion UFOs Are Space Ships
Given SAC in 1952

A 1952 evaluation of "flying saucers" as interplanetary devices, sent to Strategic Air Command Headquarters from MacDill AFB, has been disclosed to NICAP by former information Specialist Don Widener, one of the AF men concurring in this opinion.

http://nicap.org/conclusion.htm


Indications That Some UFOs Are Machines

The UFO demonstrates a number of performance characteristics suggestive of high thrust to weight ratios:

* High linear accelerations.
* High centripetal accelerations.
* Extremely small turn radius and high turn speeds without normal high-G "bleed".
* Acceleration and sharp turns during ascent.
* The UFO also displayed a number of unusual manuver patterns, particularly a predilection for turning while accelerating and either ascending or descending. The * UFO did not display a classic disengagement pattern or a classic ACM offensive pattern.

A UFO tracked both visually and on radar in Morocco in 1954[15] shows a similar performance pattern (though, unfortunately, heading data is not available). That UFO performs rapid simultaneous changes of altitude and speed, and the changes are not well-correlated, unlike what would be expected from conventional aircraft. A speed change of 150 kph in approximately a second is not so different from the observed performance of the Belgian UFO.

http://www.temporaldoorway.com/ufo/analysi...radar/index.htm

good one - both your posts are getting funnier !

This is exactly what i saw ...and to be honest UFO was the only tag that came near to describing them.....but i was never 100% convinced that they were machines
A full account of my experience here
http://www.book-of-thoth.com/ftopict-3522.html

CN...I know you put this post up in jest
And in the same spirit i say to you go here and watch the video ..........

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=92190

too true.
back in October 1998 close to 10:30 pm I took my dog out in the yard - to the north and about the size of a quarter held out at arms length and at approx. 40 degrees (maybe a bit less) was a clean white circle that motionless for no more than 3-4 seconds then shot up ( no noise ) gracefully (in another few seconds ) in an arc into the cloudless sky till it was gone from view. even the dog seemed a bit nervous. I found out years later that what it was above is a small military tank and weapons site about a mile from my home that at the time was being cleaned out and the land being sold to the city.

I don't know what it was , but I know what it wasn't. There isn't a answer any skeptic could give that would fit. not one.

before that I 'believed' but thought most were wrong ( and still do) - seeing something however changes your view. Still only a handfull of people who know me know.

Same as that......A few years ago i would have been on the sniping side and would have been enjoying every minute of teasing the nutters.
Then i saw something twice That was not any of the following Plane,Helicopter,Balloon,UAV,Blimp,Glider,Microlight,Kite,Star,Planet,Bird,Swamp gas, Ball Lightning,Laser light,Hubcap,missile,Frisbee,stealth plane,...etc etc etc.....sorry if i left anything out..if i did it wasn't that either

A missile struck the pentagon....................or a UFO.

that was wild. I've spent over a year living in England where many know more about our system of government and how it works than Americans. -
sorry to say but it's true. most americans can't place Wyoming on a map. some don't even know how many states we have.

he can flame whoever he wants...he's colbert and it's all about him being right...most people on here are afraid to discuss the phenomena fully or be ridiculed by the likes of him...

Thats a good one there Bogeyman, i guess that answers it all for Mr Debunker Colbert.

but the real stephen colbert , who is very liberal , is being sarcastic to the point that it's funny because he's so outlandish . he's actually poking fun of the cons out there who actually think like that. He's great. He was great as 'in the closet ' Mr. Noblet on Strangers with Candy - loved that show.

with this 'Colbert' at times he's sarcastic and at others he is not , but you can't tell the difference alot of the time. is he just acting like a closed minded* con or is it reality?


*not that all cons are closed minded.