Tens of millions of people around the world do not believe that the origin and purpose of the Great Pyramid could be so minor and insignificant. They're soon going to see just how right their assumptions were.

Someone who talks sense! We're going to get on.

Heh. Soon.

Mmmmm.....are we talking alien-induced end times senario? Was Imenhotep a shape shifting, baby eating reptilian,'cos he designed it?
Ooooh maybe we're talking strange alien beacon? Hordes of space-monsters people! Soon! You heard it here first! Don't say you haven't been warned!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SORRY FOLKS: Meritaten's got a short in her sarcasm circuit, she has been removed for repair, normal service will be resumed shortly.
M***.

Geez. Is that all it took?

Of course not, I must try and remember that not everyone gets my strange antics that masquarade as humour.......................mind you I've been trying for years and still haven't managed it.

Ah gut

I'll set myself lines:
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.
sarcasm is the lowest form of wit..........Oh s*d it! I'm bored now
Sorry ppl for my OT carry on, I will now leave you all to the topic at hand. Bye.

UFO's-pyramids discuss...........

And I'll add:

ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU
ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU
ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU
ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU
ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU
ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU
ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU
ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU
ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU
ICARUS IS LOOKING FOR YOU

You really have lost me now. I don't understaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand

So, are you gonna pony up and tell us your horrible EndTime secrets, or should we just cower in a dark corner over unnameable dread alien events?

--Jaylemurph

ICARUS - Ancient Greek appellation of a renowned deity that flew too close to the Sun. He was the son of Daedalus. Of more relevance, in the highly acclaimed game of Deus Ex, Icarus was the alter ego of a technological deity entitled Daedalus - the byproduct of Echelon - which, in turn, is supposed to exist in real life as part of a joint UK/US venture aiming to intercept and analyze all intercontinental communications whether it be radio, telephone, fax, or E-Mail.

June or July. And they're anything but scary.

Ah! pooter games.
Ooooh creepy watcher pooter gonna get me! Oh well better get my tinfoil headgear then.

Are you dissing the absolute greatest pooter game evah made? Blasphemy!

[quote name='extraterrestrial physics' date='Apr 18 2007, 04:13 PM' post='1635089']
[font="Arial Black"][/font] I think that the aliens helped man build the pyramids because when i researched about it I found a couple of pictures of walls inside a pyramid with carvings of two pharoes and on their laps there were two creatuers about the size of your waist and and large elongated head and they had quite long arms.



These creatures are called children, by the time they reach teen age some turn into quite scary brain busting, blood curdling monsters ...; Joking aside, the image you describe seems to be that of the family of Akhnaton , Nefertiti his queen & their daughters. They belong to the 18th dynasty, a thousand years almost after the Great pyramid was built. No one knows for sure, but it seems Akhnaton may have suffered from a genetic disorder that caused, among other symptoms, the elongated heads.

Yep!

That'll be the scene where Akenaten is holding Meritaten and Nefertiti holds Mekataten and Ankhesenapaaten. It's from the tomb of Ay, in Armarna. A sweet little family pic....but for the Daughters of Nefertiti they were UGLY.

O my favorite extraterrestials !! (after cute Thor) , but considering that they travel all over space in ultrasophisticated mother ships which are nevertheless lit by open-fire braziers... too weird to explain to me the massive stone structures !

Hello Meritaten, your ancestress greets & welcomes you. Did you see Brunton's portaits? Ankhesenapaaten is pretty! Maybe they took more after their father?!

A thousand loaves of bread, a thousand jars of wine for the Ka of Queen Tetisheri, God's wife, God's hand of Amun, she who fills the halls of the Great House with the perfumes of Punt.
Hi
Yes she was, mmmm can feel the sibling rivalry still.

the G'ould supposedly used pyramids as docking bases...

ankh wd3 seneb irt p't Meritaten !

" Hail, Power of Heaven, Opener of the Disk, thou Beautiful Rudder of the Northern Heaven. Hail, Ra, Guide of the Two Lands, thou Beautiful Rudder of the Western Heaven. Hail, Khu, Dweller in the House of the Akhemu gods, thou Beautiful Rudder of the Eastern Heaven. Hail, Governor, Dweller in the House of the Tesheru Gods, thou Beautiful Rudder of the Southern Heaven. Grant ye cakes, and ale and tchefau food to ... (Meritaten), whose word is truth. "

These paragraphs may be of interest re general subject of Pyramids.

They're from 'The Sirius Mystery' by Robert Temple...the revised 1998 edition (hardback)....page 23.

(Quote).... " I am refering to the strange fact that the Great Pyramid stands beside another pyramid which is nearly but not quite the same size. This always seemed to me very peculiar, and I felt that it must symbolize something-but what? I look upon the Great Pyramid as being associated with the Sirius cult and I felt that it must represent the star Sirius B. I knew that our own sun had a mass nearly but not quite that of Sirius B; or perhaps (according to the obsolete 1973 figures) it was the other way around. Couldn't the two pyramids represent by some key measurement of theirs the relative masses of our sun and Sirius B? However, it was not possible to pursue this notion in the 1970s because at that time the mass of Sirius B was incorrectly believed to be 0.98 that of our own sun, and such relative measurements did not correspond to the two pyramids. However, that situation has now changed. According to the new figures, Sirius B has a mass 1.053 that of our sun. The new figures also suggest that Sirius B has a radius 0.0078 that of our sun.

It is now possible to make a correlation whereby the Great Pyramid may be seen to represent Sirius B and the Pyramid of Khephren may be seen to represent our sun." (unquote)

I might be wrong here, but as far as i know and i might need to "do some research" but no record of any texts have been found in the pyramid neither has there ever been a body found of any pharoah. Further more no markings of any pharoahs names have ever been found and that's a pretty strange things to happen in egypt, considering that pharoahs used to trip over each other to get their names of stuff they didn't even build, let alone something as monumental as the great pyramid. I'm not saying aliens built the pyramids but there is deff something suss about them.

I don't think the bulding of the pyramids can simply be dismissed as the building of someones tomb because it's full of contradictions...why would someone build a tomb of that size for themselves...and then fail to leave any kind of mark to remind people that he built it?...was he shy ?

I agree...I think that the ancient Egyptians deliberately hid their tombs (ie Valley of the Kings etc) to foil tomb-robbers.

Even if/when hieroglyphs are used, who is to know for sure if they weren't added at a date much later than when the structure was actually built.

PS...welcome to the forum Shush-rules....well, to your first post, anyway

Zecharia Sitchin (www.sitchin.com) has a book series starting with The 12th Planet that does a good job explaining the origins of the pyramids and the Gods.

I've read a bit of Sitchen's work....talk about an original thinker! Thanks for web site...I'm going to see what he has to say about pyramids later.

Welcome to the forum

Thanks. I have read 5 of his books. He has spend the last 30 years doing research. He make a good argument.

Actually there were the "pyramid texts" which were the earliest ancient egyptian funerary texts. They were so called because they were carved in columns on the walls of nine pyramids of the old kingdom & the first intermediary period. These texts, which preceded the coffin texts & Book of the Dead, described the different stages of the re-birth of the king.The Khufu pyramid does not have these texts, but it did contain graffitti left by the workers which clearly identify the name of the king. They were organized into competing gangs with names such as "friends of Khufu" and" Drunkards of Menkaure".( Their choice of names precludes the stereotyped image of beaten up slaves IMO).The pyramids were robbed centuries ago, so it should be no surprise that a royal mummy with all its precious amulets would disappear. The pyramid were never meant to be "someone's tomb", Khufu was identified with the god Ra, who rose from the benben, a pyramidal mound of creation. Creation was not a process that was done once & for all as more modern peoples believe; for the ancient egyptians every night Ra travelled in his solar boat & conquered Apophis/ chaos & re-established universal order, Maat. Hence, the five boat pits and the burial chamber within the pyramid or the ben-ben which identifies the king with Re because the king is actually Re rising above the horizon. For the ancient egyptians the building of the pyramid was not an act of slavery or an assertion of the egoism of the king but the religious re-establishment & re-confirmation of universal order at the time when the living god became the creator god. Forgive my lengthy reply, i'm too tired to put it in more concise way & still be coherent !


PS one very interesting view of the symbolism of the pyramid is :http://www.pyramidofman.com/Body.htm

If by original thinker you mean "makes up his own definitions".
There's no serious researcher who supports Sitchin's work -- chiefly because he's an economic historian by trade, and whose knowledge of the ancient tongues is highly questionable.

--Jaylemurph

Was that the graffitti on one of the building stones that was found by Howard Vyse which had "Khufu" painted with red paint?

Cause i always thought that Zecharia Sitchin proved that it was simply a fake made by Howard Vyse in order to gain instant fame in the 1830's. Because there was a lot of confusion between the hieroglyphics experts since the marks and hieroglyphs that Vyse found didn't exist in Khufus time.

And yet again the building of the pyramid sees two contrasting elements vanity and anonymity, lol two elements that hardly ever go together. Even if the great pyramid wasn't build as a burial chamber surely the builder of it would make some kind of mark, if not of his own name then at least the name of the god that his dedicated it to?

"I felt" isn't very scientific. I wouldn't give Temple much credence. His work is just a mutation of the original pseudo-scientific rubbish by Griaule and Dieterlen. Chinese whispers anyone?



At the end of the day, we have no idea why it is empty, let alone if it was ever used. Khufu, generally accepted as being the builder of the pyramid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khufu_%28pharaoh%29) was a notoriously cruel leader. It is so outlandish to consider he might have fallen out of favour after his death, even after the massive cost of building the thing? Don't forget that a pharoh is a living god, but can be just as easily discredited by a successor.

All we can do is guess.




Do yourself a favour and use the forum search function. He's been discussed to death, and there is not one credible historian who supports his idiotic ramblings.

Stop the compliments Emma, now tell us how you really feel about Sitchen

I think they were here before us humans and are here still , Thousands different types of them .I also think they had something to with the Pyramids. I have read over 500 different aliens abdctions and alien encounters so if people keep b****ing about proof read all the stories about aliens there just to many stories. Hello read and learn ...........................................................................

I worry I'm too nice sometimes.

To trot out my favourite sci-fi "robot people from outer space" --
There are hundreds, if not thousands of stories about the Daleks. That doesn't make them any more real. The stories aren't proof the Daleks actually exist.

--Jaylemurph

First off, kudos to you, Emma Acid 88!

Shush -

Sitchen "proved" nothing at all. Vyse's find was not completely accepted at the time for the reasons that you attribute here to Sitchen's argument. (This is really not Sitchen's argument at all, not per se anyway. He brings up an older claim, which I'm sure he probably cited in the book you read.) Egyptologists contemporary with Vyse indicated that the hieroglyphic graffitti he found was of a style not associated with the Old Kingdom.

Years later, it was discovered that this style was indeed used during that era, and that the Egyptologists had been wrong.

Sitchen's citing of this old story is an excellent illustration of one of the methods used by pseudohistorians (like Sitchen) to convince the uninitiate - that of dredging up old theories and using them as if they were current, without mentioning (of course) how out of date and how bankrupt these theories are today.

If you continue to read this con man's books, you should realize that you are wasting your time and money. And not only that, you're encouraging another pseudohistorian to keep on fabricating imaginary fluff to fill the heads of the next generation of people that don't want to do the research necessary to find out what is really known today about the ancient world.

I ask you, and anyone else considering donating their money to a pickpocket like Sitchen, to consider this: What if one of these pseudoscientists were to stumble across an actual find that was unknown to science? Given the fact that whatever subject these so-called "researchers" start lying about ends up being a pariah subject for real researchers (because grant money is hard enough to come by without having to overcome being associated with some stupid crap fed to the public or the "researcher" that did the feeding,) can you imagine any legitimate research being done on the new find? To me, that is the real problem with thieves like Sitchen, Hancock, Cremo, VonDaniken, et al. - that due to their idiotic claims, certain subjects could end up being extremely difficult for legitimate researchers to address.

If this happened, what would we lose? And for how long would we go, not knowing what could have been an established, but previously unknown, fact about an ancient civilization?

Rant over.

Harte

Easy Harte, your avatar's speeding up. I agree that Sitchin's theories are pretty out there, but conventional egyptology theories are quite bland. I for one think the truth about the Great Pyramid is somewhere between - or not related at all to both.

There are many examples of “lost” information after the decline and fall of a civilization. We couldn’t even read the Egyptian hieroglyphics until finding the Rosetta Stone. That knowledge was “lost.” Look at the “lost” medical information that had to be re-discovered. Look what happened in Europe after the fall of Rome. I wouldn’t call it “dumbing down.” After the collapse of their civilization, it is probably that they had more important things to worry about, like survival.

Feelings, imagination and open-minded observation must naturally precede any scientific development.(even if the findings are disproved or altered at a later date)

See if you can guess which 3 famous scientists MIGHT have said the following....( I've made it up, but they probably said it at some point....)

" I felt that the speed of light may be the same in all frames of reference moving relative to one another."

" I felt that the speed at which bodies fall may be independant of their weight."

" I felt that improvements could be made in the field of 'alternating current' and may be more efficient than 'direct current.'"


On the subject of Robert Temple...I don't know if you've read 'The Sirius Mystery' ....but it was a ground breaking book in the 1970's and remains so today.
I, personally think his work is worthy of serious consideration....and that 'The Sirius Mystery' is an excellent book.

For the set that values Sitchin's 'work', I expect it was.

Several centuries ago, unsold or unvalued books became toilet paper. Seems a pity that tradition died, what with the copies of David Icke, Erich Van Daaniken, Sitchin et al sitting on shelves. Or worse, actually being read with serious intent.

--Jaylemurph

You should start a new topic...what book would you wipe your bottom with!

Happily, there are many people in this world that are brave enough to put forward new ideas....even though they seem wacky to more conservative thinkers.

On topic...the pyramids remain an unsloved mystery, there are no rights or wrongs...all new (and old) ideas have a legitimate place in the melting pot.

Agreed, and that pot has been heating up considerably in the last few decades. At this point, with all the crazy stuff going on in the world, I wonder how much time remains before some wacko is insane enough to actually blow it up? All it would take is one or two bunker busters and bye bye Great Pyramid. We got to figure out what the hell it is before it gets blown up. Save the pyramid - harvest a missile launch authenticator!

That is a horrible thought. I hope you're not having a premonition!

But every /new/ idea is not necessarily a /good/ idea.

--Jaylemurph

Well, no. But it wouldn't surprise me if someone actually did it. I mean all it takes today is a phone call, a turn of a key along with the push of a button and BAM! however many thousands of years of awe and wonder gone up in smoke. The fact that no one HAS done such a horrendous deed makes me happy.

That is true.

But often new ideas are dismissed out of hand....simply because they stretch intellectual abilities.(to the max)

It's ok to respectfully consider a 'new idea' and then personally reject it....but so many people have a 'knee jerk' reaction to anything that threatens their belief systems. (I'm not refering to religious beliefs...beliefs in general....)

You may be right.

But people like Sitchen will always get my goat. They falsify information and feed it to people that don't know any better in order to make a quick buck. And that's the best that can be said of them.

It's one thing to come up with "fresh, unconventional ideas." It's quite another thing to actually make up fake "evidence" to support your "fresh, unconventional ideas."

Harte

Pyramids were made by their creators!

The thing that a lot of people don't seem to consider is that when the populace decided to build something such as a pyramid, they were able to work on it without interruption, and as a group working toward the goal. Manpower was plentiful, and it is shown now that they indeed have some mechanical saws that could do a great job in cutting stone. If any of you saw the Youtube presentation where the one guy single handedly raises a ten ton rock the size of stonehenge block, you can see that it is not impossible to move huge blocks into place without too much work. It was facinating to see this one older guy move this huge block into a vertical position and had no help at all! Taking this into account, along with the previous "manpower" statement, these cultures could have easily created these monuments on their own. They didn't have the distractions that we have today to sidetrack them from their work. They had plenty of time with nothing better to do!

They didn't leave records of how they did it? Well they left some records of their failed pyramids scattered all over Egypt. There are several flawed designs around to look at. I think that the monuments kind of speak for themselves on how they were built. Put block A on ground. Put block B next to block A.
Move block C next to block B and on and on. There is nothing mysterious to see is there? If one man using a few pebbles and some cribbing can move
a ten ton block up into a vertical position all by himself, I can't see the mystery of the pyramids. They would have used similar methods as the guy does building his personal stonehenge. The movie "The Ten Commandments" has a sequence where they are building a whole city, and the methods shown in that movie are very convincing on how a bunch of people can achieve seemingly miraculous feats, by using their brains and their strength.

Last week they announced that the pyramids were built from the inside out!! Whooaaa Nellie.. Umm, how else would they have done it? That is kind of a no brainer there isn't it? I was surprised that they even said such a thing. How would one build a pyramid from the outside in? LOLOL.

I think we put our condition onto our ancestors in many ways. We step back and look and think "that's impossible" . "How did they do that?" There is no way that they could have done that. Well, we can't always project our own condition onto our ancestors. They were not stupid. They were good at the things that they knew how to do. They had expertise in their skills just as we have in our own today, but we should not attempt to compare the two with each other. We know what we know, and they knew what they knew. Putting blocks on top of one another in a major fashion is just something that they knew, and we do not. They were on a mission to accomplish their goal. When we get on a mission, we can accomplish a goal too. Just look at Iraq for instance.. Okay bad example there.. Umm. Nevermind. So we will conclude that they had a goal and knew how to pull it off with what they had to work with. No magic involved here, unless you can't imagine how they could have done it. If it baffles you, then you are replacing your baffle with magic or alien help. I think they had cranes and lifting devices even back then. Just because they didn't leave the blueprints doesn't mean that they didn't use them. The Discovery Channel or Science Channel aired a wonderful series showing ancient machines not long ago. If you have a chance to catch a repeat of it, you should! It was very interesting indeed.

The pyramids do have some oddities associated with them though.
It is interesting that there are is no soot found on the ceilings to demonstrate that they used torches to light the interiors during work.
They are at the exact geographical center of the earth's land mass mathematically speaking.
Their alignment to true north, south, east, and west is impressive (but not supernatural)
The alignments of the "air" shafts with known stars is interesting BUT the stars move constantly so you would have to pick out a precise time for them to be in that alignment right? And the other thought there is that, we seem to think they are lined up for Orion, but that would only be at one time each year, or some year way in the past.. How do we know it is supposed to be lined up with anything? Throughout the year, these point to more stars than just Orion
as the earth turns on it's axis and also moves around the Sun in it's orbit. Hmm. Something to think about.

I think that we have to give the ancients a bit more credit for these magnificent structures! They had more time to work on them. They ALL worked on them until they were done. They were on a mission to accomplish the task. I'll give them the credit. I could be wrong, but I think that man built the pyramids.

Just because I said that, odds are one day soon we will find some ancient text that says that :
One day long long ago, a child was playing in the desert. His mother told him to get up off the ground and come in and eat. The child says "Mommy, look what I made out of my blocks!" His mother leans down and sees these cute little pyramids that he had built and she tells her son "those are very nice son, now come and eat".. The kid gets up off the ground and walks aboard the gargantuan spaceship and joins his family for dinner.
After dinner the huge craft lifts off of the desolate planet and flies onward to visit Mars.

Many a true word said in jest....

......or maybe the earth itself is a HUGE UFO just visiting a smashing little universe on the edge of the milky way. And the pyramids are part of the controls, when the shafts line up properly....whoooosh off we go. Back home.