The Bible scriptures state that God sent Jesus Christ to die on the cross on Earth so that Man would not be enslaved by Satan and his fallen angels, according to a pact that was made.

I was wondering, after reading an article on the front page, if this is applied to an extraterrestrial context, what would it mean? I have a theory. I think maybe Satan and his fallen angels are in fact an alien rebel group having a great inter-stellar war with God and his angels, who are also extraterrestrials. Satan and his minions have conquered almost all of the galaxy and Earth may be the only planet left untouched (which may explain why the galaxy to us seems to barren and empty), and to save the last free species in this galaxy, God (the alien leader) may have sent an incarnation of himself as Jesus Christ to die on the cross, and thus ensuring that the pact between the alien rebels (Satan) and the aliens angels (God's minions) is fulfilled. The pact may have wanted God to surrender and so offer no more resistance to what Satan has been planning all along- absolute control of this galaxy. With that pact fulfilled, humans and Earth in general have been left free and untouched, and the alien rebels have not attacked us...yet. Armageddon Day may be that one day when the alien rebels led by Satan would finally throw aside that promise they made, and destroy us once and for all.

I must disagree with this statement. God coming into the earth realm as Yeshua to pay the debt of sin from the disobience in the garden. Mankind has a sin nature, they must choose. HaSatan has never been granted the power to enslave mankind. He is a created being and has no power not allowed by God. He has been judged and found guilty of high treason. He is allowed to remain on earth along with unclean spirits to temp mankind and pervert the truth so many follow lies. At the last judgment he will start to serve his sentence in the bottomless pit where the fallen angels were chained and bound from the time of their rebellion.

Now, why do so many people suggest that what the bible, ancient writings, and modern day sightings are aliens mistaken for angels? I think the sightings are angels being mistaken for aliens. The bible only refers to cheriphims (SP?) as having wings not angels. When angels visited people they were often mistaken for men. I think if they had wings sticking out they wouldn't blend in so well. Who's to say they don't travel from God's throne room to earth in crafts? ships? I am sure they have far more advanced minds and abilities then man to make whatever equipment they need.

Definitely a war going on. Even the Bible states that there is a 'war in heaven'. I feel that we're the ones who place limits and descriptions on God. Who knows? Maybe the reason why some say the beings created us in their image is because it is how they themselves were created. And the cycle continues - all under the watchful eye of God. Perhaps one day we will possess the exact same abilities as them and beyond, and we'll travel to distant systems and help seed life on other planets - in our own image - and we'll suffer the poor beings who toil and endure their pain over millenia as we are forced to stand by and watch them grow.

I now prefer to say Extradimensional Beings rather than extra terrestrial. Sounds more descriptive. I really do believe that the conventional and accepted way of space travel as we think of it doesn't apply to them. What would take us in our best built craft a million years to go takes them mere minutes. If you're at ease in other dimensions and able to bend space and time, no need to go the long way.

Maybe the ones who interfere and make deals with government are the ones that could be seen as being less than wise, whereas the ones who (for now anyway) stand by and watch us are the ones we can really relate with. And perhaps the reason why discord and war exists here on Earth is because we are descendants from both types of beings. As the war exists above in their realm, so it would in ours.

Wow. I gotta stop eating pizza at night.

Shouldn't this type of discussion be in one of the religion forums?

I find from reading and hearing about other people's experiences that the entire alien and UFO phenomenon and angels and spirituality is merging together more and more. In fact, they may actually be very nearly the exact same thing.

ok heres the thing... God could destroy Satan and all of his minions with the clap of his hands...Satan COULD NEVER defeat God....God just gave Satan free will to do whatever he wanted to...just like to all the angels and humans and aliens and etc...

.......All things in the universe are simular in nature, but not exact or equal. Why couldn't 'light' life forms really exist. Now they can change their appearances and travel throught the galaxies and "play God" in some "spook" dimension. Isn't it all too strange with the supernatural: [U.F.O.'s ??] ,ghosts, demons, possession, prayer, and the Holy Ghost .--- they are seen after they make their appearences but leave no solid evidence of ever existing....

Its an interesting theory, but why would the ET who takes the role of God care about humanity? Seems that he should be more concerned with finding a way to overthrow Satan.

I agree with the light life form theory. In fact, this type of correlation is often discussed in quantum physics.



Well again, even in the Bible there is a specific passage in Revelations that specifically mentions a 'war in the Heavens'. So, yeah, I'm coming to believe there may actually be an invisible war going on all around us between extradimensional Beings for our fate. Maybe one side wants to control us, while the other seeks to help us help ourselves.

I can't help but think of this famous crop circle's message in Ascii...

There is a concept that the war between dark and light takes place within the Human. That being the case, there would be a great interest and involvement from all ET's with what is happening here on earth. Since we are free will beings, this also sets up the duality conflict potentials, that influence is not overly direct. The abductions that take place are from those ET's who only partly understand the scope of human nature. That is why they wish to study us.

I would agree the ET and UFO forums have much in common with spiritually. I think most ET's do understand far more than we can appreciate about ourselves.

John

Yes.
And I'm sure that the Daleks, the one true alien life-form, would greatly resent being called an angel.

--Jaylemurph

God I wish I could discern online sarcasm from sincere statements.

I honestly and sincerely believe the Daleks are the most probable form of alien life.

Viz: The Daleks, The Dalek Invasion of Earth, The Chase, Mission to the Unknown, The Daleks' Masterplan, The Power of the Daleks, The Evil of the Daleks, The Day of the Daleks, Death to the Daleks, Genesis of the Daleks, Destiny of the Daleks,
Resurrection of the Daleks, Revelation of the Daleks, Remembrance of the Daleks, Dalek, Bad Wolf, Parting of the Ways, Army of Ghosts, Doomsday, Daleks in Manhattan, Evolution of the Daleks, War of the Daleks, and Legacy of the Daleks.

--Jaylemurph

Passed tense, history. But there is a battle for our souls, lives. But it is between us and HaSatan. He knows his time is limited so his goal is to distroy as many humans as possible.

Rev 12:7-9
7And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon The dragon and his angels waged war,
8and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.

Jude 1:6
6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,

Daleks- is that the robot things from Dr Who?

Designer, I don't how fervently you follow scripture, but in the very beginning of Revelations it specifically says that it deals with events that "have yet to pass but surely will" or something like that.

The word "was" has more to do with terminology relating to a personal vision that anything time related.

It's a nice story, but a bit pointless. The war in heaven is something humans came up with in order to explain where they had come from, the meaning of evil etc. It wasn't literally happening at the time, as the bible was being written. The Dead Sea Scrolls exist from the time of Jesus, they are the closest thing we have linking us to the biblical times, yet we have no evidence of this apocalyptic, galatic war? Doesn't make sense.



The galaxy is certainly not barren and empty. It is 300,000 light years in circumference, and contains 200 billion stars. The reason there is nothing near our solar system (and therefore giving us the impression that the galaxy is "barren" and "empty") is that a star has to be 1 and a half light years away from any other star to be able to form, otherwise the gravity from the near star will stop it from doing so. (http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn11...ng-planets.html)

What you're doing is putting contemporary human-based fiction (aliens, galactic war - all very Star Wars isn't it?) onto ancient fiction that is an analogy about where we come from. Piling fiction onto fiction doesn't, ever, equal truth.

The evidence seems to be overwhelming.

When she said that to us the galaxy seems empty, I thought she was reffering to the fact that we have yet to encounter any aliens(that we can prove). The ironic part being that if this were true, there would be aliens everywhere. Infact, now that I think about it. WE would probably pick up EM waves of some kind if they are biological and therefore took a similar technological path.

Alpha Centauri is 4 light years away. I think people underestimate how far that actually is. (edit - its 25.8 trillion miles)

I knew about Alpha Centari, are you suggesting that if this war were going on someone would have colonized this planet and we would detect them?

theres a war in heaven and on earth...just a lil struggle between good and evil...nothing for the sheep to worry about...

To paraphrase an often used quote by believers to justify....well just about anything really..''who knows, it could be true'' DOH..(slaps forehead).

Was it 200 trillion ships that were coming? Methinks that number of ships around one planet (assuming they cwould fit in orbit) could alone win a war!

--Jaylemurph

I have a very hard time believing or even speculating about anything in the Bible. It is so poorly translated, everything you guys are basing this conversation on is probably incorrect. Plus a whole bunch of guys had their way with it and changed many of the writings, not to mention destroying gospels, the gospels we've recently discovered, etc. This conversation is endless.

I disagree. The King James Version of the Bible is one of the triumphs of the English language, both in its poetry and prose. There are copious individual errors, deliberate and accidental, but as a whole, it's generally successful as a translation.
Of course, this is only if you take it as a piece of literature. If you're going to do something silly and base a religion around, then it's a breeding ground for mistakes.

--Jaylemurph

I like the thread and discussion...original topic = God vs Satan. Interesting to me is that the all-powerful allows Satan the kind of power that he has. He is still allowed in heaven at this point in the story and makes accusations. Jesus said, "I saw Satan fall like lightning out of heaven." Did he see the fall in the future (after Revelation events) or in a point prior to mankinds existence? This brings up the topic of the pre-Adamite world, which is another subject.

I always figured that Christ and satan were the same guy. Seems to me that the best man to clean up a mess is the one who created it. But hey - I'm a heretic.

Here's a crazy thought for this discussion. Some people would argue that a perfect God would want to create a perfect balance/harmony within his creation, right? We know the story is that Satan pulled 1/3 of the angels in heaven out with him in his rebellion. Is it possible that the few people on this planet who choose God now are the ones to replace the balance of the lost 1/3?

I never really bought the whole God is perfect thing, mainly because it places limits on something that essentially defies everything. If anything, I would think that (childlike reasoning here) since God is within us and everything is God, then obviously God is evolving and perfecting itself - just like us.

I am also starting to really resonate with the idea of ancient lifeseeders (i.e. Extradimensional Beings) that helped life form here on Earth and that we are slowly learning how to become like them over time, perhaps even to the point where we would one day be able to go forth and help spread and nurture life elsewhere. None of this conflicts with my own understanding of place and role within God - for me. Maybe they're actually the Bible's angels and spirits, and they are capable of "shifting" or adjusting their own image to fit what we like to see once we die or have near death experiences.

And despite my frequent jabs made towards debunkers, I do see the need for healthy skepticism/need for proof.

Hey, I'm new here and just happened by this thread, but I'd like to put in my two cents.

I really think most people are a little too naive in their interpretations of religious scripture. The cold hard fact of the matter is that nobody has any real reason to believe it. I'm not saying that angels, demons, and/or aliens don't exist. I honestly think they do, but if I war is raging between extradimensional beings(which I believe is the case), messages from both sides of the fence are just as likely to be deceptive propaganda used to enlist our help.

For example, God may not be so different from Satan. He may not be the creator. He may be a downright dirty liar playing on our sympathies to turn the tide in his favor. When talking about other planes of existence, it's important to note that these planes don't necessarily have a structure we're familiar with. Our consciousness may even make up part of that plane of existence, making our thoughts and opinions an absolutely vital component of victory. Why else would Satan care so much about leading us down the "wrong" path? It's entirely possible that we make up a significant portion of the battlefield, and that our beliefs are more or less the ultimate weapon. God may choose to manipulate us into compliance by appealing to our natural sense of compassion (vital to our species' survival as social creatures) while Satan seeks simply to use us as tools, by whatever means available.

Again, I'm not saying any of this is true, but I think people should really sit down and think about how reliable this "God" character really is. An extradimensional being probably wouldn't find it very difficult to make you think he had your best interests in mind while he sacrifices you for his own good. A lot of people suffer in the name of "God," and all the blame is conveniently directed toward Satan. If you ask me, God is a selfish pig who disguises his true nature in ambiguous mysticism and misdirected blame.