Now, I know that many of you have been following the work on the disclosure project, which thus far has not been successful in getting congress to act, yet Steven Greer is still reportedly accumulating more expert military officials on the subject to testify in court over the matter.

He has a few books out, which I've come across, one of which has all of the top secret military documents he has in his possession- I haven't been able to read through all of it yet, but I will soon. Anyhow, I wanted to throw out something that he has very clearly written in one of his books. That is, that the alien abductions that we hear about are not being done by actual aliens, but are conducted by a private, very illegal and very corrupt cell with in our government, who either dress as alien beings, or use artificial beings that they have manufactured for the purpose of abductions. He says that the true ET's are peaceful beings, who come here because they are concerned about our nuclear weapons and are hoping to be a presence so that people acknowledge that they exist, and so they can monitor what we are doing so that we don't harm them, our planet, or other ET beings. The reason our government is doing this, Greer says, is to instill fear on the American public over the issue of aliens, and get people to hate them so that they can have the support they need to weaponize space. He said our government would also go so far as faking an alien attack on earth to acheive what they want. Greer says that he has found military officials involved with the "shadow goverment", as he calls it, and that they are willing to testify to the fact that there are alien abduction teams within the government, and that they have been abducting people for a very long time to serve their purpose.

Greer also pointed out that there are many people, including himself, who have had very postive experieces with ET's, and know them as peaceful, loving, spiritual beings...but that this news does not get reported because the government has control over what's broadcasted, and they want fear to be the message, so only abductions associated with pain and fear are reported.

As an aside, I remember watching an interview with Whitley Strieber very recently (i'll try to find it later to share on here), where he said that government officials actually planted an implant into his ear, which he said was apparently activated and had his whole ear inflamed during the interview- you could see that his one ear was very red in the video too. This seems connected to what Greer was saying.

Of course, we don't know if any of this is true, but it certainly casts a different light on the alien situation, and as what I have seen and read about Greer, I don't have any reason to doubt what he says, especially when he has documentation to back it up!

Thoughts?

In my mind, I've attached a lot of credibility to Greer and the Disclosure Project..........but, Greer is now claiming he has had alien experiences?? If so, that concerns me, unless it sounds really, really, legit.

I think Steven Greer is a nut.

This is a subject that I don't know very much about.
But, your writing is well done and interesting, and I will check in to see what you have written next.
I remember a few years back, about some people saying that some of the supposed survivors claiming to have been abused in various religious rituals, were actually being abused by government groups drugging them and confusing them to think that they were ufo abductees made to think that they were abused in rituals. Quite the minder-bender, eh? Did you find anything about this?

Hundreds of military personnel do not associate with nuts. Nuts also are unable to arrange and emcee national press conferences.

I don't seem to fear aliens. I guess the plan didn't work.

Agreed. A total of over 450 is quite impressive. Even if 10% of them are charlatans, attention seekers, government plants, etc, that would still leave over 400 credible witnesses.

so the govt dresses up like aliens and abducts people? thats the craziest thing i've ever heard.

Hmmm...you never know. Come with us , or else...

Well, let's assume for entertainment's sake that the entire terrorist threat from 911 to the current series of conflicts in the Middle East all started over lies and fraudulent evidence as an excuse to acquire and enrich one's small group of investors with fossil fuels. Now, assuming that a government could actually lie to its own people in order to enrich itself, let's progress on to an even bigger lie. Let's go back to the late 1940s and assume that a series of heavily secretive projects were borne and were based upon reverse engineering of extradimensional zero propulsion craft.

If those events are indeed true, then what you have is a government - the most powerful one in the world - that has essentially been able to refine and perfect highly advanced alien craft prototypes for the last seventy years - to the point where these crafts might even be able to perform extremely unusual maneuvers today. Put yourself in the government's shoes: you have an absolutely massive world population in the post-millenium era that is becoming increasingly well informed and potentially rebellious against what it deems to be corrupt government. And even within your own ranks, dissent is becoming commonplace and as such, risks compromising your agenda to further control the world's resources and population by leaking high level information to the public. Do you want that? No, you don't.

If you had the technology to make the masses get behind you in fearing true extraterrestrials and could stage an event to actually make it seem like an invasion was taking place, why wouldn't you do it? It would make perfect sense. You have a pretty good size fleet of prototype alien craft that could mimick actual alien craft, along with teams of individuals that are willing to fly or remotely control these craft. By having a false invasion witnessed worldwide, millions of people might support you in investing more time and money to secure our atmosphere from actual aliens - the ones who, according to the vast majority of UFO researchers and abductees, have nothing but our best interests at heart.

Divide and conquer. The oldest battle tactics in the world.

I'm Native American, and it is well known to our people that at the times of first contact with western cultures, when the thirst for land and resources was at its highest, the English were routinely slaughtering entire villages, scalping people with Native tomahawks, and bringing these scalps to other nations, hoping to enlist their help as allies against the French. Thus, even despite the fact that by that time we already had our infamous Six Nation's Confederacy and peace treaty in place, many First Nations bought the English' story and decided to help fight the French.

The same thing is currently happening in Iraq in the guise of civil war.

I don't think Greer is nuts. The statement is far fetched I will admit, but it is not impossible by any means.

Two comments:

1. The gov't , if anything, does it's best to classify any UFO sighting as of no danger. This has been their stance for quite a while.

2. Many UFO reseacher's/insiders have indicated - or intimated - that to their knowledge, this presence is not fully benign.

Like that lady in the Disclosure Project intimates, once the terrorist card is fully played and that threat dies down, the next level of invented threat according to government will be from outer space. Besides, if the Government and military truly believed no danger is present, then they wouldn't hold materials in secret.



Well, I actually do agree with you on that one. But I hope that advanced intelligent Beings would tend to lean more towards "good" than the opposite, and that the majority of these Beings do in fact wish to assist Earth rather than usurp or destroy. It takes a lot of energy to be a jerk or evil, and I would think that advanced Beings would be all about energy conservation.

On a site like this, thats the hardest thing for you to believe?

I once looked at some of the DP videos, but felt there was too much circus. There were a few apparently sincere individuals. They essentially blamed a shadow government for the UFO conundrum (withholding information).

People may take the idea that various rumors or stories are indicative of what has supposedly happened or could, vis a vis "alien" intentions, or a USG counter-effort. But, there is still nothing definitive to back these assertions.

I think Greer got into something without a lot of substance to produce results. Here is part of a 1995 interview, however, where he talks about seeing a UFO-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAE8kQmuUTs

The entire Middle East conflict is based upon lies my friend, so it is hardly much of a jump to hypothesize (from our end) that the same scenario might exist in higher levels of government in regards to events dating back to 1947 to the present day.

I don't think Saddam was a sadistic dictator being a lie. Iraqis wanted him ousted. I think the rest was based on assumptions, his refusal to allow inspectors in initially, his threats against the US, and his past record of using WMD on his own people.

He's trying to sell books, he like many others have realized there are alot of people in the world who will believe anything you tell them....SOURCE: ME

On February 11, 2007 in Los Angeles, Greer announced that he was working with a G7 country on disclosing information to the public about extraterrestrials. [13]

There is a major country in the world - G7 Country - that has decided to do this with us and has invited us to become the primary contactee to precipitate an event with these extraterrestrial vehicles with the full support of their air force, space command, everything, land and meet the leadership of this country with us facilitating this so that this can than be proximally disclosed to the world, and thats what we are doing eminent - what we are working on eminently.

—Dr. Steven M. Greer, [14]


Media

Books
ISBN 978-0-96-732382-4 Hidden Truth: Forbidden Knowledge (paperback, 2006)
ISBN 978-0-96-732381-7 Disclosure: Military and Government Witnesses Reveal the Greatest Secrets in Modern History (paperback, 2001)
ISBN 978-0-96-732380-0 Extraterrestrial Contact: The Evidence and Implications (paperback, 1999)

Source: Wikipedia

Saddam was a dictator, but hardly a world threat - unless of course you believe the U.S. must initiate non UN sanctioned and preemptive strikes against other nations. In which case you believe it does, there is nothing left for us to discuss.

On topic however, governments have always sought to control. That's what a government does by definition. Name one government that does not control. Heck - even in tribal societies such as my own, even the people long ago assigned Chiefs nearly exclusive decision making powers.

There is nothing to discuss with a liberal. Liberalism is a mental disorder.

Some call it control, others call it common ground. Majority rules, losers call it control.

I'm a Native American traditionalist. Not a liberal. Not a republican. Such labels don't apply.

well you sure regurgitate their mantra real well. You do have electricity and don't travel in carts and buggies do you? (traditional religion forgot their name) Then you are far from traditional

Heh - I'm not pursuing this childish game. You win.

On topic: I believe the Government is hiding sensitive information regarding extraterrestrials. I also believe that because they seek to maintain control and war based economies throughout the world, that they also encourage the media to both debunk and ridicule whistleblowers and researchers in the field. In the end, whatever is out there will ultimately win anyhow, since the sightings and interactions with these entities on nearly every level has been increasing steadily to the point where entire foreign governments are starting to release UFO related archives to the public - thereby placing additional pressure on the U.S. government to come clean.

You are playing a game with your intended insult. Typical.

Well, of course, I can't say whether it's legit or not, but I know that these experiences he had are what drove him to become involved in the disclosure project, and why he hasn't given up after being discredited and threatened many times- I would expect someone to bow out by now if they didn't have powerful experiences to back up what he is doing.

That's very interesting, and no, I've never heard of that, but I wouldn't put it past the government to do such things if their purpose is important enough to them. Thanks for sharing!

Look, I know that many people are motivated by money to make up stories, but I don't think that's always the case. Greer said himself in his books and his interviews that he made a lot of money as an ER doctor, and that money did not matter to him despite what has been said about him. It's too easy to just pass everything off as a hoax if money is involved, but the danger in doing so is overlooking a potentially very important issue that is real. Saying that it's all about money is just a way to dismiss the whole subject with out really looking critically into it, and being open-minded. He made a point to say that none of these military officials are being paid a thing for their testimonies, exactly because they don't want that to be a motivating factor in divulging this important information. How will you ever gain knowledge about things if you always are suspicious about people's motives, and think that money is the only factor? I would encourage you to at least be open-minded. I think that skepticism is a healthy thing too, but too much can be harmful too.

Yes, but again, is this presence fully alien, or more government, and if the government really does do these things, then they would also have the researchers fooled as well, and so the their viewpoint on aliens would be that some of them are not benign, because that's what the gov. may want, but is this really true is the question.

OK- I think I found the correct interviews of Whitley Strieber when his ear becomes red, and he discusses how the government placed an implant there. Hope this works for you all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juJKWzpRgGM Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho5V_tzPtkg...ted&search= Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMRW_j04Qaw...ted&search= Part 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udxfs45YEl8...ted&search= Part 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZvP1ofNcLE...ted&search= Part 5

What about 100%?

I honestly think that too much credit is given to these people. Who cares if they are military? There are more nut bags than you might think in the military or prior military. Just because you wore a uniform for a few years (or a lot of years for that matter) does not automatically make you a more or less reliable source than any one else. Additionally, these people are violating a lot of rules and are liable to be prosecuted if what they are saying is true. Disclosing classified info is a crime. When I see someone divulging what they claim is classified information, I wait for them to be arrested for it. THAT would lend credibility to their claims more so than being ignored.

*shakes head*

I hope you're allowed cigarette breaks where you're at.

Are you like a real Native American?

50 percent bloodwise. But other than that, yeah. Still very close to the culture. In our family, the traditions and mindset have always been preserved and nurtured.

Oh right, It's just I was going to do a joke about traditional Native Americans, '4x4's' and 'mirrorshade sunglasses' no?
But you might be offended.

Remove the conveniences and we'd adapt quite easily. Heck, my own reserve got running water and toilets just fifteen years ago.

Alright..

i wanna hear the joke oh, stephen greer? wont knock him, hes trying to get to the truth. joke please!!

This was pointed out by William Lyne in 1993.

Along with a whole lot a accusations of CIA involvement.
Its all a Black Operation to dismiss their development of triangle or saucers that mimic any aether craft that Tesla could have built.
You want UFOs, yes, then you got to fool the people.

Roswell and Walton and Hills are explained by Lyne.
I don't think Lyne goes into Operation High Jump but he mentions Operation Paper Clip.
Lyne wants to enlighten the world to the hints of aether control by Tesla that may had been mastered by others in Europe.

Electricity and Helium and atomic gases and isotopes are basic aether effects in action.
Nothing else is more important in understanding what happened when the electrical phenomena are stepped up a notch.

Streamer creation in Tesla's lab may be the same as light from UFOs on NASA videos and other videos and photos, even the dark
cloud UFOs.

^^ Ha Ha you guys.

We no longer fear Indians.


Some day we will be at peace with Greer, the Government, the BLACK OPs, and the ETs.

And we can forget all the mind control about Tesla.


Like at the bottom of the the page, eeeoowwww.

Don't forget your Tesla Shield™.

Well, the reason I posted this thread was because I wanted to know if others think that it's very likely that the government may be doing these abductions, or at least part of them. Soooo, are many of you very easily convinced or open to that? Do tell!

It's possible. I'm just saying my own experiences were extremely positive. Nothing scary. Though it did take some adjustment for the first few years.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. Maybe I'm being obtuse. I still stand by my earlier post though.

You're stating that people in charge of defending national security - people that are deemed suitable and trustworthy enough to supervise nuclear weapons - lack credibility. I'm having trouble wrapping my head around your logic.

These aren't milkmen and grocery clerks for crying out loud.

And withholding globally relevant information in regards to alternatives to fossil fuels and standard fuel based combustion systems is a much bigger crime than disclosure, so I'm also having difficulty wrapping my head around why you think they should be punished. If anything, they're heroes. Absolutely so even.

I don't think so.

For one thing the vast majority of so called "abductions" can be easily explained as episodes of sleep paralysis. You also have to take into account that NO ONE EVER sees anything unusual other than the "abductee" themselves.

Then there has also been a large popular movement over the years to associate "abduction phenomena" with the UFO Phenomena. The reason being that the ETH was firmly in place as the leading hypothesis to explain the UFO phenomena at the time that the "abduction phenomena" first gained steam and the UFO Phenomena is well documented and physical in nature. Because the UFO Phenomena is documented and physical in nature, proponents of "abduction phenomena" needed to associate "abductions" with the UFO phenomena in an attempt to partially validate "abductions" as a physical phenomena rather than a psychological phenomena.

Unfortunately, that movement has been in large part successful in that it very easy to find people who don't even make a distinction between so called "abductions" and the UFO phenomena ( UAP ) which are two very distinctly different and seperate phenomena.

Having said that, there are just a handful of cases that can't be so easily dismissed that at first glance seem to be atypical "abductions" involving UFOs. ( Travis Walton, Betty and Barney Hill)

As I said, you would be (and apparently are) surprised at how many nut-bags are or were in the military. For the most part we are ordinary citizens placed in a position of great danger for little pay, which we gladly accept in return for the opportunity to serve our country and a live an interesting life. That does not mean that we all have access to UFO secrets.


Keep in mind, we also don't follow the same rules as civilians do when it comes to disclosure. The UCMJ covers issues like divulging classified information, and the guy that discloses trade secrets at IBM will suffer MUCH less than the military member that violates the UCMJ. The guy from IBM may go to club fed for a year and get a stiff fine, but the military member will do LOTS of hard time and have a crappy life afterward if he survives.

As far as alternative fuel systems (alien technology) I don't think it exists, primarily because someone would have surely leaked it in such a way that it would be in use today. It's just too much of a hot potato to be held for any one group of people for so long.

Baloney. The government compartmentalizes everything so that no one really has a total (or even partial) picture of what's going on or who has what. Secrecy in government exists, and with something as Earth shattering as technologies that might usurp the grip that big oil and the corporate conglomerates have, you better believe they can keep stuff like that under wraps - for a very long time. Honestly, if you don't believe that government can keep a secret even in the modern information (and disinformation) age, you are dreaming.

Who are the biggest investors when it comes to new technology in almost every domain? National Defense, that's who. That should tell you something right there.



True, but nut-bags do not occupy high ranking positions. Those that do do not last long and are weeded out quickly.

I'd be very interested to hear about your experiences- is there a separate thread that you've put up for that?

Well, no. But you can find it in this thread:

My lil' ol' abduction experience.

Having never seen one face to face, I can not attest to their appearance. However, that was written in such a way as to fit in with the spectrum of experiences that some members of my family apparently experienced.

Again, I don't know about physical appearance, but you are spot on about the rest. Thank goodness somebody has communicated in an intelligent way about modus operandi, and psychological interaction. If I had to make an assumption, I would say there is no indication of hostility, from whatever this phenomena may be.

I appolgize if this does not build upon your idea, but the other day I read a brief interview with Budd Hopkins. This is the first I have read about him. He does not seem too objectionable. As for the rest of his efforts or opinions, I only see that he has researched the subject.

"NOVA: Assuming that there is a literal truth to the ... abduction phenomenon, what in your opinion is the real significance of that? Why is this important?


HOPKINS: Well, if this is true and I have at this point sadly no doubt that it is true, what that means is on the silliest level that we're not necessarily the top of the food chain. But, on the most profound level, it means that an intelligence which is a controlling intelligence, which can see into our mind, so to speak, which would mean a total end to the privacy that we each have inside our heads right now. That that intelligence, which possesses the technology that is staggering, is bound to ultimately be in control. Just as the Spanish were bound to somehow control the Aztecs. That's the way things were slated.

To think that it might be an end to Eden, so to speak, if we can look at our past as Eden, I'm sure the Aztecs thought of their past as Eden too before the Spanish arrived. If I can, you know, just guess what life might be like 20 or 30 or 40 years from now should this momentum continue, it's a terrifying thought. Even though I don't see the UFO occupants as evil or conquerors or anything of that sort -- it's nothing that simple. Still, control would be absolute if this finally comes to making themselves obvious, ending the covert.

Trying to speculate as to the ultimate meaning of all this is always tough. Certain things seem very clear to me. We know what they're doing, I think, beyond any doubt at this point. As to why they're doing it, that's speculation. It definitely seems to me, though, that what they're doing is for their purposes, not for ours. The hidden religious hopes that I think everyone has would connect with the idea that they're coming here to help us. It's certainly nice to think that. Our paranoid fears that many people have are they're coming here to take us over, I don't see a sign of either one of those being true. They seem to be here for their own purposes. Now, they could take what they need. Our DNA, our genetics, they could create their hybrids to solve some particular evolutionary problem that they may be facing. Who knows? And they could just simply leave and then leave us alone again, which would be quite wonderful.

But, I don't think it's possible to say. I don't have enough to go by, enough information, to say what they're here for. They're not here, that's for sure, to help us plug up the ozone layer hole. They're not here to take over our supermarkets. They're here for their own reasons. And I'm not sure what those are."

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Who are the biggest investors when it comes to new technology in almost every domain? National Defense, that's who. That should tell you something right there.



Thats really a point to ponder over myte..